The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 am

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.

It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.

It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.

It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.

It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.

If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.

(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I go back and forth on nutella. She has oscillated between moments where I think her tone is genuine in solving and others (like LC claiming) that came off to me as frustrated wolf. But the frustration was real, nonetheless. That could definitely go for either alignment. But it doesn’t prove that she’s town.

I am not going to argue against a Nutella yeet today if that’s where it goes

If you're so tunneled on me, why wouldn't you argue against a Nutella elim? If I'm tunneled on someone to the degree that you appear to be tunneled on me, I want them eliminated and absolutely would argue against an elim on someone who I'm going back and forth on.

Notice how I am the only one that seems to think you are wolf atm. I’m trying to be productive with my limited time since there aRe two wolves and also feel like I have to defend myself with that limited time.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:15 pm Oh maybe you're literally not going to be on for the rest of the day. Sadge

Correct, as I’ve stated at top of day.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:57 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm I'm looking at your first several posts on d1 with my new conf bias and you read awkward as hell. Not hard to fuel the tunnel.

Have you seen me town? People say I’m awkward as hell on D1 all the time. Hell, I got lynched on D1 (after the game restarted) in the game I just played on Narutoforums because multiple people said the new guy looked stilted and awkward.

So my banter and ‘awkwardness’ as you say is my style, but is that inherently wolfy?
you’re in a tunnel and I understand you’ll see what you’re gonna see.

That is, if you actually believe what you’re saying.

I'm just saying. Yes it is confirmation bias speaking. Yes it can just be your style.

Last sentence here is very unnecessary and I would have taken this response well if it wasn't there.

I’m not exactly trying to convince you of my innocence with that; i think it’s rather necessary to me reading you.

You’ve shown some slight AtE stuff this game, which is probably NAI, but gives me hesitance. I can see both a frustrated towny and also an opportunistic tunneling wolf.


Iiiiiiiiii wanna lean the former atm???

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

lol thunal I was most likely going to vote you today regardless. Me voting as such was in a similar vein of why marmot voted early.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm I'm looking at your first several posts on d1 with my new conf bias and you read awkward as hell. Not hard to fuel the tunnel.

Have you seen me town? People say I’m awkward as hell on D1 all the time. Hell, I got lynched on D1 (after the game restarted) in the game I just played on Narutoforums because multiple people said the new guy looked stilted and awkward.

So my banter and ‘awkwardness’ as you say is my style, but is that inherently wolfy?
you’re in a tunnel and I understand you’ll see what you’re gonna see.

That is, if you actually believe what you’re saying.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Wack.


I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

I’m a bit closer to the sun, as it were. He has already said he thinks thunal and I are different alignments. But he’s not committing to a read there. I find that….hedgy and weird.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.

I can’t help you see my side as pure. It is what it is.

If you were to ignore my takes on thunal and focus on each of her posts in iso, does nothing jump out at you? What is your opinion on thunal as a whole?

Like, completely neutral. She could be a wolf.

As Epi was so keen to point out, I'm pretty open to multiple "could"s.

Got a reads list? (I forgot if you do those)

Neutral is a pretty meh take on d2

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm
Is inconsistency inherently wolfy? I thought you just said inconsistency was a towny look for thunal

It's contextual. They are different types of inconsistency. Yours in the perspective on dizzy is a wolfy kind because it looks to me like you are scrambling to try to explain it away.


That said I am starting to see a possible town explanation for your scrambled signals. I just really don't like it

You and SVS can bond over how much you don’t like it

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.

I can’t help you see my side as pure. It is what it is.

If you were to ignore my takes on thunal and focus on each of her posts in iso, does nothing jump out at you? What is your opinion on thunal as a whole?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:32 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.

This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.

Is he really? Epi is in my POE and I currently think is paired with Thunal

Okay, why?

Because he said so

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.






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I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.

I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal

It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.

ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose

Nah, it all seems far too convenient man. As wolf you'd be looking for who Lime knew was PR, likely more than town would, and I think you correctly found Dizzy to nk while also finding enough to defend your position that you thought it was thunal. And now that you're being asked about what you thought about Dizzy at the time you are tripping over yourself trying to cover for the inconsistency.

Is inconsistency inherently wolfy? I thought you just said inconsistency was a towny look for thunal

Anyone else have anything they want to ask me before I ascend into the mountains?

Good news here is if I survive the day, I’m not dying tonite, so I can have more time to win this for town on d3.
Bad news here is I am becoming an easy vote and if I don’t immediately get voted, I’m going to be a likely end of day wagon where people can cling to as a backup and when I go over my voters can rest on their laurels by going ‘well, he wasn’t acting towny’ and solve nothing.

I think I’m actually doing a great job as town. Even if I’m wrong about thunal- which I fully acknowledge could be the case, since I apparently am the ONLY one that thinks this- I’m clearly ruffling some feathers

I think nutella is compatible with thunal.

How bout that

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.

This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.

Is he really? Epi is in my POE and I currently think is paired with Thunal

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:11 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

I'm once again feeling like everyone else is crazy for not tunneling Scotty right now. And this time I can't be proven wrong with a pr claim.

Weren’t you tunneling LC?
I think your reads have just been…bad this game?

And now I have about 30 min to determine if you are actually believing what you’re saying and I just……..don’t. Based on your track record thus far

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.






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I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.

I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal

It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.

ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose

I leave in an hour for a few days so if you’re gonna vote me or want anything else from me, this is what you’ve got.

If I do end up going over today, first of all…lol

Second of all, of course I’m going to say thunal should go next as legacy, but I also feel like I’m not so bullheaded that I wouldn’t change reads. I’d rather say if I went over to look at who jumped on my wagon and why.


Why am I even making this post if I don’t even have any votes atm? I can see it coming with the people starting to smell something stinky from my direction.

I entreat you to recognize that I just need a bath and not that I’m actually born this way

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.






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I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.

I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:42 am Yeah she really really hates it.

As someone there in real time, you took allll of that out of context.

This is not out of your town wheelhouse, though.

My issue with your read of me was the revelation that you have “ things you look for” when I’m bad. You said you didn’t see them so far.

Did you see them in Dont Starve where you were pretty much irreconcilably convinced I was bad?

That bothers me cause this is the first time I’m hearing of it. Are you suddenly seeing them now?

By the way, I don’t hate you <3 ) just your out of context post.

Your behavior in don’t starve on D1 was making me wary, but not enough for me to vote you. Coincidentally, your voting patterns of not committing to me at end of day made me want to actually shoot you in my revenge shot. I didn’t get a chance to really see if you did more scummy things because i died.

You haven’t done the things I look for yet in this game. It has to do with voting progressions, and it hasn’t exactly pinged me yet.

For now you’re hunting and I think I believe that you believe what you’re saying.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:23 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:54 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:26 pm just find it interesting you wanted to string up both shielded people if you could have managed to convince people to grant you their votes

also don't believe you didn't know Dizzy was being shielded lol c'mon

I mean it didn’t really matter when it comes to my vote tbh, since I had already voted marmot at that point.

LC shielding Thunal was so left field that it really made me think thunal was the bloodsealer.

Now without LC to shield her I’m…I guess…even more tunneled on her being bad

This isn't a good look for you because I don't really believe that you believed I was the bloodsealer. I thought it was Dizzy and realized it close to EoD, but after I looked through LC's ISO I thought it was clear. He had Dizzy as his top townread for "reasons" when he tried to explain it.

It's easier for a wolf to think "oh crap, maybe I'm pushing a power role" and be paranoid about that than it is for a townie, since a wolf already knows their push is town. If you're town, you believed I was a wolf but still backed off because LC was townreading me even though he was townreading Dizzy twice as hard for no reason? From the mindset of a townie who confidently believes I'm a wolf, thinking "wait, maybe she's a power role" would not be the first thing that comes to mind.

Nodding along to this. Scotty has set off a few wolf pov alarms atp

lol
Thunal’s argument here makes no sense though, as I’ve explained further along. I still suspected thunal at that point, and I didn’t read LC as townreading thunal more than in my opinion hinting PR, because that progression made no sense. It could be argued that yes, his shield of dizzy also made no sense, but I was more focused on my tunnel

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:18 am

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:03 pm Cool cool cool

Mafia is paying attention. Sounds like LC was the once a game soupkill and they happened to find the right name out of LC’s ‘donotkill’ list. I thought it would thunal.

interestingly, this is scotty's take after LC's "do not chop these people" list

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:55 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

Laughable that you could clear anyone

If LC wasn’t shielding you I would have voted you.

I still think you’re bad.

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Marmot could be good. Their response is not terrible, but they’re also just a scumlean to me atm. I don’t regret voting for them.

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Dizzy is an enigma. Syn calling dizzy a top town read is laughable. Dizzy is rather despondent. Epi called him mean, which equates to, as dizzy describes, bluntness. But I see the opposite. He’s a bit aloof and isn’t ruffling any feathers. Blendy, not pushing the envelope. I support a dizzy vote if the rest of y’all with votes remaining choose to go there

Hmmmmmm. Could be towny hypocrisy but does look weird. I also kinda side-eyed his emphasis at sod that he thought the sealer was thunal.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved

Why did you suspect Scotty here?

One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

Hmmmm
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Yo, check this progression:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 am Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty


Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?

Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.

I wanted to be with you on this thunal push but the last thing could easily be town inconsistency.


Still catching up and interested to see how/if Scotty vs. Thunal develops

Ope, got another one.

Now if you bring in that thunal *has* actually been consistent with her eventual vote on Seanzie, does that change the narrative?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:45 am Scotty's recent posts responding to SVS give me pause on him. He says that he doesn't see eye-to-eye with SVS, but on the other hand, his responses are very conciliatory in a way that he's kind of accepting what SVS is saying, which doesn't strike me as a response I would expect from him towards a player that he doesn't see eye-to-eye with. I would expect a little more challenging of viewpoints.


It could just be Scotty attempting to have good faith discussions after SVS accused him of the opposite, but that's not my gut impression.

When people suspect me, it’s like I’ve got ice water thrown at my face at a party and i’m instantly sober. Which means I guess im usually driving drunk with no seatbelt. (Don’t do that, kids)
But when people suspect me, or at least have doubt in me, the game becomes ‘do they actually suspect me or are they just trying to find a patsy’?

So in this case:
-SVS hates hates hates that post. Does she actually? Maybe. If I have a hit in Thunal, then she’s probably gonna want to protect her partner. If I don’t have a hit, and she’s wolf, this is probably an attempt to bury me. If she thinks I don’t have a hit and she’s town, I buy that she could very frustrated with how I’m handling thunal’s slot.
I think it’s the last one, but as she has acknowledged, I’m usually paranoid of SVS.
-Syn is outwardly suspicious of me/thunal, but isn’t taking a strong stance either way, which bothers me. Of all the people currently sharing suspicion of me, this one is the biggest question marks for me. I’m surprised he hasn’t made any strong pushes against either of us yet, and it’s weirding me out.
-You have now ‘paused’ on me, which I guess makes sense. SVS makes a compelling case. I still strongly townread you.
-Thunal hasn’t much thrown my suspicions back at me that gives the impression that she suspects me. In fact, there’s been an air of calmness in dealing with my slot. She’s been defensive of course, but only in defending her own progression and reads. I (think?) she still townreads me? Maybe?

Hmm I did miss some posts in my iso reread

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:20 pm Town:
LC
Nutella
Dyslexicon
Scotty

Townlean:
SVS
Syn
Marmot

PoE:
Seanzie
Epi
Falcon
Rico

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:21 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:18 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:08 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Spicy vote.

Syn and LC are both voting him and two of my stronger townreads, yes I'm voting another townread. This is a weird game and I'm not confident in many vote options so I'm going here.

I'm stuck in urgent care getting a minor finger injury looked at so can't stick around or wait to vote.

Glgl

(Also need to make sure LC doesn't accidentally die)

Oh your poor finger

Very weird game, I’m voting with my top wolf read lol

I need to clear up my day and commute day will be over when I get home.

@Thunal33 Marmot voted Sean. I would rather follow LC than vote a low poster.

I'm fine with you voting Sean. I think he's less likely town than most of the list and I don't think Rico will actually go over.

@S~V~S the progression is clear here in how she got to Seanzie.

Which means she didn’t miss a progression and has fully laid out her plans. Do with that what you will.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:55 am K work, I bookmarked where I left off, will have time to catch up. Gotta get ready for work.

I just saw in a post where Scottys reads were quoted that he is townreading me since he didn't see me doing "things' he associates with bad me. I want to remember to come back to that. I am not normally a person who goes around questioning town reads, I tend to take them at face value. But something about that bothered me, I'll think about it at work.

have fun guys.

Don’t worry, my reads have oscillated like a tablefan on a hot day

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:36 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:26 pm Still on board with nutella, Syn, SVS town. Falcon to a lesser extent.

Thunal is a huge blind spot to me, mainly because we've had zero live interactions, so she's a priority reread for me today when I get the chance.

Epi and Rico have moved into my basement and I'm ready to start charging rent.

Scotty I'm still wary of for the LC read, but I think in the end he's probably just town.


We only have two mischops left, so we need a correct POE of four players at this point.

I had some intense EOD with Thunal in the thread, and I'd be surprised if she weren't town.

i agree re Epi, not sure what I think of Rico. That vote but how would a baddie benefit from that, I don't understand the purpose of him voting at all.

Scotty was a top town read for me yesterday, I still am thinking he is town, but he isn't towncore for me anymore. The main thing in his favor with his new posts is that he's treating his Thunal sus very similarly to the way he susses me when he's town. Scotty plays like a DA rather than a detective imo; he starts with a premise, and builds his case from there. He saw a thing that made him think she was bad, so he's looking for things to build his case.

But the way he pulled those Seanzie progression posts right the fuck out of context bugs the crap out of me. Seriously.

I had planned on voting for you up until i couldn't anymore without it being a vanity vote becasue locked hammer. You are sounding more reasonable to me, but you're good at that. You were impressive in GOC, when you were pretty widely suspected, of talking yourself right out of that. So ... Imma keep an eye on you, but backing off.

I’ve never thought of my solve like that but you’re probably pretty spot on. I do look at narratives that stand out and then build a case from evidence around that.

I’ll check closer if I missed something with Thunal’s Seanzie progression but I don’t think I did in looking at the ISOs as a whole. I’ll do another scan of thunal’s iso to explain better if I can

The way you talk about Marmot is how I look at you. I don’t think we’ve quite seen eye to eye this game in most cases- you’re not towncore but you’re not quite mafia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:25 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:08 pm Going back to my previous thought- mafia is paying attention. I don’t think Epi is paying attention. He could be a mafia laying low while his partner pulls the strings, but he isn’t the ring leader here. The kill last night points to at least one mafia that has been active in thread

This really only eliminates a pairing of the following: Ricochet, Epignosis, falcon. As everyone else has been pretty active (even falcon to an extent).


As for Ricochet, I'd definitely consider him for a vote today. I don't think it's a stretch to say that his vote at the deadline was uninspiring. It's one thing to make an uninformed vote, or a hasty vote, but he seemed to try to force reasoning into it when he had none to give, which is kinda wolfy.

The timing of that vote, coming as it did after Sean had three votes (actully 4 i think), and thus a yeet of Rico was not doable numerically, that was so so sketch, although TBH I don't know what benefit he would have gotten from it. He would have been better off not even coming in at all, so still kinda waffled on that.

And that post almost didn't even sound like Rico wrote it. It was very weird.

Good point

That post legitimately reads like ChatGPT wrote it and it does bother me

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:10 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved

Why did you suspect Scotty here?

One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

Hmmmm
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Yo, check this progression:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 am Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty


Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?

Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.

I absolutely loathe this post.

At this point we were trying to find a consensus since we had a lot of spread locked votes. If you read other peoples posts from this time frame, everyone in the thread (except Nutella who was kinda mocking us, lol) we ALL were doing this. The people trying to find someone we all could agree on vs the people who wanted to default to Rico.

I kinda pushed her to vote Sean after he had gotten a third vote. He was a null for me.

This is all about how EOD went and zero about progression. Thinal, along with Dizzy, we’re considering Rico.

This usage of what happened at EOD to somehow make a “poor progression” argument on the person least responsible for Sean’s yeet is disingenuous in the extreme to my POV.

I can’t even say how much I hate this.

ok sounds like my post disgraced your family

But does your hatred of it mean that you think I am arguing in bad faith or that I’m just too far up my own butt that I can see my brain?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:33 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:30 am Note to self: If there’s a deepwolf in this game, it’s Syn.

If the team is Syn/Rico, and Syn can keep Rico alive the entire game, I will eat a sock.

please don’t, that will kill you for sure with your smallish windpipe

But in reality, it Rico were to flip wolf, Syn would be my first look

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:31 am I'm mostly letting vibes inform my reads this game, and following it up with analysis if needed, and many players have passed the vibe check for me thus far. Epi and Rico have not passed it for me. Thunal and falcon have had moments. I'm still feeling good about the rest of the players. Their Day 2 vibes match their Day 1 vibes (those who have posted thus far at least) and I think that's a good sign for them: Syn and Scotty in particular.


The one thing that gives me pause about Thunal is that I know she has a fairly logical brain, and that approach does translate to mafia to some extent, and it's possible that approach is just not as obvious of a town vibe.

My main thing with Thunal is looking at her iso as a whole looks like….I dunno…crafted chapters. If that makes sense.

If you look at her iso and at each post as a separate segment it seems like surface thought is being written into each paragraph. Posts *should* have thought, right? so that in and of itself isn’t wolfy. But it’s the *way* she’s saying the thoughts that are giving off vibes of having a pulse on the game while not making any residual or spicy reads. Im not convinced she truly believes her progressions.

I just dare anyone to read her iso in succession and see if they can at least see a smidgeon of what I’m seeing. I don’t think she

Note to self: If there’s a deepwolf in this game, it’s Syn.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:21 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Nani!

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am #snip
Thunal I have an easier time seeing as town, even if she isn't doing her tell.

What tell? Is this meta on her that you yourself have baked up?

I go back and forth on nutella. She has oscillated between moments where I think her tone is genuine in solving and others (like LC claiming) that came off to me as frustrated wolf. But the frustration was real, nonetheless. That could definitely go for either alignment. But it doesn’t prove that she’s town.

I am not going to argue against a Nutella yeet today if that’s where it goes

I have done a full 180 on marmot from D1. I think he is behaving very towny.

@Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:51 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am (Ok but for real I'm leaving for Idaho tomorrow and will be out of service the rest of the day so I have to vote tonight or not at all)

are you and scotty eloping

I haven’t told my wife yet

She loves surprises

I think this

Disabling Soulstamp: You may target a player in the night. Their ability use will be blocked.

was used last night on LC. Makes logical sense.

Which means we have the post limiter and the vote suppressor left for mafia to utilize the next few nights.

This information is a big sowhatburger but I think I am right and am just cataloguing what little mech we have left

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:03 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:58 pm nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

I said discuss. Not ask questions.

nutella gives me heartburn

but better than chocolate I guess

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:58 pm nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

What is the catalyst for this? Was it the way she reacted to the LC roleclaim in their thunderdome?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:28 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:26 pm Still on board with nutella, Syn, SVS town. Falcon to a lesser extent.

Thunal is a huge blind spot to me, mainly because we've had zero live interactions, so she's a priority reread for me today when I get the chance.

Epi and Rico have moved into my basement and I'm ready to start charging rent.

Scotty I'm still wary of for the LC read, but I think in the end he's probably just town.


We only have two mischops left, so we need a correct POE of four players at this point.

K
Well
I don’t think we should ever yeet Rico today. We need to find his partner first if he is bad, and he needs to participate. If he goes and he is town…well…we might as well be throwing the baby water out with the bathtub, as they say

How do you find Rico's partner?

Good question.

Well firstly I’d hope that at some point Rico posts more than just ‘Vote Pedro’ and gives us more to work with.
Secondly, interactions with a flipped wolf in how they handled wanting to go after a non-poster

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:29 pm

How long did this take you?

https://www.ranzey.com/generators/bart/index.html

Have fun my friend!

Amazing.

This controversial subject has been on my mind for soooo long:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:47 pm Y'all should have voted Epi. Perhaps we should do that today in honor of Dizzy.

I'm not mafia and I think you know that. But knock yourself out.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:48 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's roll.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:52 pm Well okay. Shit. I am a moron.

Why do I feel like these two thoughts don’t go together?

You pull Thunal out your ass, who has been talked about by several people as a scum read, so either you have been reading the thread to come to this vote or you’ve thrown your bowling ball straight down the middle while blindfolded.

Then you claim not to have read the rules. Your first post is responding to ????? the voices in your head ????? about the post limit.

I dunno, your whole entrance makes me feel you’re not being sincere

Thunal is my partner.

Unironically haven’t forgotten this

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:31 pm I'm liking Marmot's d2 so far especially that he's trying to solve Rico.

I don't think wolf Syn would just say me/Scotty was a difference check if it was a difference check and Scotty was wolf.

I agree with this

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:29 pm

How long did this take you?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:21 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:32 am Dizzy and Thunal are probably town btw don't yeet them.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:39 am I have my limited posts I'll use them sparingly.

Townread:
Dizzy
Syn
Thunal
SVS

My main townreads, I won't be targetting them at all.

I'll try to narrow down more before deadline.

@Thunal33 this was the moment

Okay. But Dizzy was above me in his readslist and mentioned in the first post.

I think we’re just talking around each other

-I already had inherent bias in tunneling you and thought LC making a straight up townread shield of you set off an alarm
-I thought dizzy would be too obvious in listing his mark. He listed his townclear in there somewhere, so all of this talk about whether I did or didn’t scumread either of you is irrelevant because I would be stupid to vote there in case I did hit the PR.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:24 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:10 pm the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

Take a wolf guess

AHAHAHAHAHAJA that was actually an autocorrect and how appetizer

Apropos*

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:24 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:10 pm the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

Take a wolf guess

AHAHAHAHAHAJA that was actually an autocorrect and how appetizer

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:10 pm the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

Take a wolf guess