The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:45 amI'm a mafia this game and I think I'm the only one.

oh wow

but he said he was the only town, not the only mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:40 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:37 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:28 am Tsp not risking letting Sloonei stay alive, glad my partner got the memo :P
The curse is lifted.
What curse?

Tony never wins games that I play in, wether we’re aligned opposite each other or on the same team.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:28 am Tsp not risking letting Sloonei stay alive, glad my partner got the memo :P

The curse is lifted.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:01 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:40 pm Everyone go look at alison’s first post. Specifically, the first two words of it.
Honestly, I didn't expect there to be info leaking that there was a lost wolf in the game. I never would have softed so brazenly if it wasn't for that. I thought it would be the kind of thing where you would only catch it if you were main wolf and knew there was a lost wolf.

I killed you N2 because you were obvious town by that point and I thought you would probably get there on me. It was tough because nutella was a dayvig but I felt you were a better kill at the end of the day.

I probably would have caught you day 3, but only because I had that information and was going to look for hints like the ones you dropped.

Spec chat confirmed it when I learned the mechanics of my role.

I did all I could from beyond the grave to egg nutella on to shoot alison. It’s a cold, empty universe out there.

Everyone go look at alison’s first post. Specifically, the first two words of it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:59 pm Well the voters gotta go somewhere

I just wanted to see what you'd say.
Poison's my answer as well.

[VOTE: poison] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:56 pm The one where enrique said he did things to nutella and should be given some credit for it

And nutella's subsequent acknowledgement

but

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:47 am Characters and abilities are not alignment-indicative.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:51 pm Do we vote Poison just for a reveal? That's what it feels like to me.
Why not Enrique?
Because of recent events. But yes, that's an option too.

which recent events?

funnygurl is no-voting again.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:51 pm Do we vote Poison just for a reveal? That's what it feels like to me.

Why not Enrique?

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:51 pm I don't know what a conditional vig is...

she can shoot anyone but it only goes through if she targets the correct person, i think. like what happened with lc.

Poison trustfall:
Her assumption that the mafia team controls the mechanic which removes players from the thread is odd and possibly not in line with the realty of the thread. A member of the mafia team would not incorrectly assume this, and it would be a clever thing to fake.
Her effort today has been better than null. I still wish she had been able to produce more concrete reads on any of her suspects (the needle doesn't seem to have moved much on any of them), but she's in a deflating position either way here so I do not think it is damning that she hasn't poured a ton of effort into solving the game when she's being faced with a million questions.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:47 am Characters and abilities are not alignment-indicative.

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:34 pm @Enrique if we're wrong about Poison, who should we look at next?
If we're wrong about Poison, if it's anyone currently in the thread, I think it would have to be Funnygurl. I think there's a decent chance that we'll get a bunch of new players we haven't had the chance to read though and hopefully they'll be armed with useful information.

Why funnygurl?

I was wary of her earlier in the day, but I think Vulgard's progression on her in particular makes her look very, very good.

[mention]Enrique[/mention] if we're wrong about Poison, who should we look at next?

Day end in ~40 minutes, just so we're all aware.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:06 pm Hey, what if nutella and TSP are mafia teammates and they vigged Long Con for some cred?

That would mean we started the game at 8 vs 4 in the thread.

Flashbacks to Search For Quin when I was mischopped for being “the only one pushing a narrative” when I was, in fact, the only person in the thread who was posting at all.

You are singled out because -
1. You did the most work and even after diving that much deep your conclusions are wrong and I rarely see you considering a different world.

Want to quickly say this, because I think this is a point that a lot of people have backwards in mafia.

Look at the thread right now. It is dead. I would say that I am the one putting in the most work, at least visibly. A member of the mafia team in this situation does not need to put in work, assuming you are town. There is no resistance, the clock is running out, and everyone agrees with the conclusion. Mafia can sit back and wait for that result and let the town be unprepared for the future. More than that, mafia can let a civilian do the work and hang back, this wiping their hands clean of your mischop. I think mafia members in situations like this are much more likely to be quietly hanging back than “putting in work.” This is a general point, not strictly self-defense right now. I don’t need self-defense. I’m in no danger.

There are definitely scenarios where wolves need to exert effort to get a player chopped. This is not one of them.

I am going out for a bit. I’ll be back for about an hour. As a show of good faith, i’m putting a vote on enrique for now. I encourage anyone else who’s here right now to take a look at him and try to determine his alignment one way or another. I took a quick glance at yesterday and came out with one post that I felt pointed strongly to him being town, but I did not do a thorough scan of his play as a whole.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:18 pm As for the reason
- mostly a feeling.
- your assessment on me is bad and I cannot let it go because I know who am I and it seems like the easy tunnel to mislynch I would expect scum to do.
- you are having the possibilities of me being town in a few rare posts but that seems like a setting for future?

The only positive thing apart from you activity would be, you voting for Vulgard last day and not me, cause I think with LC down, it won't make sense for you to vote vul as scum. But if we look at bigger picture why won't you vote vul to save you a spot in the town core?

I can do nothing with “mostly a feeling.”
Points 2 & 3 in conjunction paint a scenario in which I cannot win. Either I read you as scum, which (in your eyes) is bad, or I consider the alternative of you being town which is again (in your eyes) bad.

You are my top suspect and I have reason to town read everybody else. The thread has been dead today, presumably because everyone else is accepting your fate as a foregone conclusion. If I was fully satisfied with this result, I would not still be questioning you right now. As a civilian, it is my imperative to keep talking to you and to consider the future so that we have those possible other worlds set up in the event that you do flip town. I am doing all of this because I want you to show me that you are town and that somebody else is not.

Why does it seem bad that I specifically am wrong about you when nobody else (except for you) has made a case for any other suspect today? If I am wrong, the whole thread is wrong. Why am I singled out?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:17 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:13 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:08 pm Also what is my alignment?
I don't know. I want to believe you are town but I'm still cannot go any further than null. Cause if you are the deep wolf. Town is doomed. I don't plan to just sheep read you, cause my flip might end up people diving into their read progession on me and you never know which would seem forced and which won't, so I'm just reading everyone exactly how it is seeming to me. Nothing more, nothing less. No sheeping.
What have I done that prevents you from town-reading me? Do you have any reason to be actively suspicious of me? Why am I specifically the “deep wolf” candidate?
Why can't you accept the fact that I'm not town reading you, Specifically, when you scum read me?
Because I haven’t seen you explain why the read exists yet, and this I am struggling to believe that it is genuine.
If we talking about genuine reads, how do you perceive Enrique's reads on others?

I haven’t looked into them. Are there any that you specifically object to?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:13 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:08 pm Also what is my alignment?
I don't know. I want to believe you are town but I'm still cannot go any further than null. Cause if you are the deep wolf. Town is doomed. I don't plan to just sheep read you, cause my flip might end up people diving into their read progession on me and you never know which would seem forced and which won't, so I'm just reading everyone exactly how it is seeming to me. Nothing more, nothing less. No sheeping.
What have I done that prevents you from town-reading me? Do you have any reason to be actively suspicious of me? Why am I specifically the “deep wolf” candidate?
Why can't you accept the fact that I'm not town reading you, Specifically, when you scum read me?

Because I haven’t seen you explain why the read exists yet, and this I am struggling to believe that it is genuine.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:08 pm Also what is my alignment?
I don't know. I want to believe you are town but I'm still cannot go any further than null. Cause if you are the deep wolf. Town is doomed. I don't plan to just sheep read you, cause my flip might end up people diving into their read progession on me and you never know which would seem forced and which won't, so I'm just reading everyone exactly how it is seeming to me. Nothing more, nothing less. No sheeping.

What have I done that prevents you from town-reading me? Do you have any reason to be actively suspicious of me? Why am I specifically the “deep wolf” candidate?

Also what is my alignment?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:52 pm @Poison explain this post to me in a world where Enrique is mafia. #216 in case the link doesn't work.

He goes from hard defending Vulgard, who was under heavy pressure, to attacking Long Con, who was under little to no pressure, unprovoked in the same post.
In my last game as mafia and two games before that as town, the scum mates kinda did this. I won't say it's impossible from scum at all.

Can you go into more specifics about this? What exactly did they do?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:59 pmWhat I understood from the first made me say the quoted part. Because, as I said, that part mainly focused on aggressiveness and early distancing, which I still stand by with my earlier quote. I don't think I amde the statement without understanding that part you wrote. Unlike the latter part I agreed to. That part was specified and clear.

Then why did you ask what I meant?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm I don't understand how that clears Enrique.

"I'm going to defend the one partner who's being treated as a piñata but give no solid justification for it and then, in the same breath, turn around and bury my other partner who nobody's even talking about" does not seem like a likely thought process from a member of the mafia team.

But I am open to Enrique being scum and will listen to arguments.

But also, more importantly, my question was specifically intended for Poison.

[mention]Poison[/mention] explain this post to me in a world where Enrique is mafia. #216 in case the link doesn't work.

He goes from hard defending Vulgard, who was under heavy pressure, to attacking Long Con, who was under little to no pressure, unprovoked in the same post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:26 pm I think those are two members

ebwop: I think those are all town members.

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 pm So this is an assumption and lemme ask you this, do you think a scum would be town reading all town members and scum read his teammate, hmmm, kinda meh right? how about we look at the bigger picture -
Day 1, scum getting scum read to and fro, a townie getting scum read to and fro [if you don't believe I'm town just assume here] what would the scum do?
Try to give explanations and lynch the townie as if it's their solid scum read? Or any other thing he would have done?

Is it so unbelievable a scenario?

Vulgard was not town reading all the town members. He voted for Marmot soon after the post in question. He pushed for Syn consistently throughout the day and Alison early on. He pushed hard on Mac after LC flipped. I think those are two members.
I think Vulgard being under such significant pressure from such an early stage would force him to do some things he normally wouldn't. That's not a comfortable position to be in for anybody, let alone a wolf in a relatively new environment. He had to be careful and also probably try to start setting up some distance between himself and his partner(s). I think his interactions with you look the most like what I'd assume distancing would look like in this instance.

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:44 pm what do you mean by the colored part @Sloonei i don't think that is necessarily right. I was pretty aggressive while soft shading/distancing TSP early in the game.

The point I was trying to make in the text you highlighted is the same one that I made in more detail immediately afterward (in your post), about which you said this:

Unlike the above post, I think this post makes a fair point and I can agree to it.

By "If they are partners, I expect them to be a bit closer in tone here." I meant to say that if funnygurl and vulgard are partners, then their interactions will feel more coordinated than they were. "Closer in tone", meaning they will both have a relatively similar tone to one another during the interactions, and the relationship between them (vulgard as the aggressor versus funnygurl) should remain as it is.
But, as I noted in the next post, which you agreed with, that did not happen. Vulgard started out aggressive, funnygurl responded with heightened intensity, and Vulgard folded and turned defensive.

Why did you say you "dont think that is necessarily right" if you did not understand the point I was trying to make?

I have strong reasons to town read everyone but Poison.
I have clear reasons to suspect Poison independent of the POE.

Guys it’s wednesday

If it’s not poison then it’s enrique.
If it’s not poison or enrique then it’s someone well-concealed or not in the thread.

I am encouraged to know that hyena and I are reaching similar conclusions.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:42 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:46 pm the problem with writing massive posts is that they take a long time to make so then by the time i reach the end i'm impatient and never go back to proofread.
Caramel popcorn is on the same wavelength as you
wait

are you in touch with out of thread ppl

Caramel popcorn said many of the same things as Sloonei did in his extended, unproofread post right before Sloonei did, and is eerily worried that Sloonei is mafia teammates with someone not in this thread

Tell Caramel Popcorn there is nothing to fear.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:43 am Did I know this?

LC stands for "Literally Canadian"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:36 am I wanna be something not honey mustard

Honey mustard is very good.

The marmot ate some good mushrooms and left this earthly plane to converse with the heavenly caramel popcorn, got it. The game makes sense now.

i understand less now

Did nanook drop us in the universe where caramel popcorn was never invented?

I have had a hard time believing Poison's suspicion of me all game long. At no point have I sensed any genuine skepticism from her being directed at me.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:54 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:51 pm Either way, if everyone is convinced that Sloonei is locked town, I would suggest them to look into FG and Enrique
I have already done this. Do you disagree with anything I said in my big posts from today?
Since the conclusion is wrong, I think I can counter my actions, while I'm a little but unsure how the scum shaded me, I'm yet to read the entire post. I can certainly reply to every bit of it when I'm on PC.

I am mostly just interested in my reasons for town-reading funnygurl and enrique. You do not need to respond to or read everything.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:55 pm Again, @Sloonei maybe we can look past me and try to look at other people now, while you can have an assured lynch!poison. No harm in that is there?

Yes. Talk to me about funnygurl and Enrique some more.

But I also would like you to respond to my questions about you if you can. I'm asking for a reason and your answers help.

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