The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:58 pm I wish I had faked investigation on Tony like I was planning to. =p
But he was lynched eventually. Good job, town. And gg mafia as well.

I had a bigger case on Tony that I was gonna post if needed and I was gonna cite you and everything.

So who wants to run the next heist?

Part of the reason I never suspected Long Con was that first day. I felt like we inadvertently saved him from a mislynch.

That was the all time goofiest day phase i’ve ever participated in. “Hot potato” has never been more appropriate. The four of us just sat around tossing names at each other and saying “nah” to all of them until time ran out and we were on Creature.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:37 am Great game, I thought that scum had a pretty clear path to victory but just as every other time i think that, Sloonei stepped in.
Leaving Sloonei alive was sort of a “meh he doesn’t suspect LC” thing

I would not have looked at you at all if not for that last second vote. As was the case last time, it took a hell of a lot of digging to figure out that you were lying to us. You played an excellent game.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] thank you as always. I loved the write-ups and the theme, of course. And I guess the game was pretty good too.

Let future generations of mafia players know that "I'm playing in a Magic tournament tonight" is an accurate scumtell 100% of the time.

And sorry I was so sure you were bad, Mac.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:53 pm
Night 4:
-sig blocks Sloonei.
-The Mafia fail to submit a kill request before the deadline.

I understand now, [mention]sig[/mention]

Two games just ran their course pretty much simultaneously.

game ain't over.

i want the record to show that i just tried to switch back to macdougall for no reason other than a wack-ass paranoia that is ingrained in me from my early days as a mafia player.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for vote consolidation and I desperately want to tout the "Magic Tournament tell" as a legitimate thing.

Wilgy & Tony

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.
If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?
I like the direction of Michelle's posts. I can see a clear progression of reads when I read her. Though I'll admit she's the only player I have not looked at for association with Tony, so maybe I should. But I don't feel like it.
Wilgy had some interactions with tony that suggested to me that they're not teammates. It's buried buried somewhere in my ISO.
I thought the latter was sig or DDL. Or both.

all three of them

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.
If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?

I like the direction of Michelle's posts. I can see a clear progression of reads when I read her. Though I'll admit she's the only player I have not looked at for association with Tony, so maybe I should. But I don't feel like it.
Wilgy had some interactions with tony that suggested to me that they're not teammates. It's buried buried somewhere in my ISO.

I don't hate voting for LC. He's comfortably my second choice.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:08 pm Sorry I haven't been around, I'm playing in a magic card tournament tonight I will say that I tend to bus my teammates soon as possible when I'm dead, and that's it's not something that has happened this game at all.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:09 pm Sorry, that should read when I'm bad, not when I'm dead. I'm voice to texting in between rounds.

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:45 pm I have a MTG tournament to get to. Might be able to check in, but some thoughts on EOD:
Voting for DDL. That’s all on thoughts. I don’t mind a dizzy or LC Lynch, but dizzy has a high participation rate which is good for the game and I think I can read LC pretty well and I don’t have any real thoughts about him right now.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:08 pm Sorry I haven't been around, I'm playing in a magic card tournament tonight I will say that I tend to bus my teammates soon as possible when I'm dead, and that's it's not something that has happened this game at all.

Spoiler: show

I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:35 pm I'm going to vote for Mac. He'll probably vote for me in return, but whatcha gonna do? [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Why? I felt that you were one of the reasonable ones. Timing makes me think you're getting a head start on self preservation. Nerves?

I am not scum LC. Your vote should not be here.
We know you're not scum LC. You're scum Mac.
No I am an ordinary member of the townsfolk.
How many maximum vanillas are in this game?

Heists allow for "a maximum of 3 non-vanilla roles." Since we have two non-vanilla flips already, there should only be one more power role left. Everyone else should be vanilla.

What was tony’s strategy, mac?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:57 pm LC's interactions with Tony are the most softball things I've seen.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:43 am The thing is, I agreed with DDL's assessment of Tony last phase. I went to Tony's ISO to disprove DDL's read that Tony was one of the more solvey players, but it ended up with me agreeing.

Why is it Tony now, Sloon? Suddenly it's a Tony-or-Sloonei thing on the table, and I don't know if that's the right thing.
This post in particular stands out.

"I know Sloonei is good and Tony is my teammate, so I will try to appease Sloonei to save my semi-limited hitman."

There is no evidence that I could find of LC really trying to figure Tony out. It all looks like trying to nudge people away from him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 pm Very nice! Great to still see you around, Mr Sloon. I was afraid it would go quiet after tonight.
Translation:

"Fucking damn it! What the hell?

On the other hand, Tony looked like he tried hard to push for LC’s lynch. It could be bussing. I haven’t ruled it out.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.
He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.
So you are removing Epi from suspicion because on day 4 he made some posts suspecting you which indicates if he was scum he'd have killed you already?

Do you not see how absurd of a reason that is?

If Epi is scum and they had better kill targets than you why would he not put suspicion on you? Are you suggesting that for Epi to be scum he must avoid suspecting you?

It's all just bad logic imo. He's a massive red flag for me. As I said if you decide to remove me please look there.

... yes? I see evidence which suggests Epi is not mafia, so I’ve applied it to my read of him.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.
He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.
This.

TSP/Sloonei is not W/W. If they are both wolf, then by virtue if how good their distancing was, I no longer give a fuck.

I’m talking about epi here

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm
And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

Anybody dying makes anybody else's lynch that much more feasible.

It's math.
Obviously numb nuts but because you're you, being alive without a perceived bigger threat also being alive, particularly from that early, forced you into a gauntlet of suck and I don't think you ever were truly threatened by Sloonei.

Tell me how many times in all the games you've played together has Sloonei managed to catch and lynch you?
Well now Mac I don't have the numbers right in front of me I'm sorry to say but as mafia I don't think I've been caught and lynched more than ten times period.

i’ve definitely caught you more than once

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.

He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:50 pm Also Tony wasn’t killing his locktown reads. The mafia team was killing the thread’s locktown reads.
Oh but I thought it makes no sense that Epi wouldn't kill you. Come the fuck on.

I was one of those locktown reads. Epi has said in the past that he’d kill me early before I can make too much noise. He pushed aggressively to lynch me right out of the gate Day 4. If Epi is mafia and wanted me dead at that point, he has no reason to jump through that hoop and risk exposing himself unless he’s playing this game for style points. That’s not impossible, but I’m not gonna bank on it being the most likely scenario.

Also Tony wasn’t killing his locktown reads. The mafia team was killing the thread’s locktown reads.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:36 pm I still think Epi just nightkills me by Night 3 at the latest.
This is what I mean. You aren't challenging yourself at all.

Here are several arguments to this point. Pick one. You were a suspect. There have been two missed night kills (before you reply with obvious bs again yes I know you randomly prefaced it by saying before n3) so he may have tried. You also are refusing to read him scum. There were also more than one person making decisions and TSP was killing through his lock town reads out of need. I don't think anyone argues with n1-3 kill choices. Also you being alive helps him justify he himself being alive. If you are dead early he stands out like dogs balls.

This is quite frustrating. It's like you're refusing to think beyond Mac is scum which you haven't even made a good case on. You literally said I was scum first, read the dead scum's interactions with me, retrofitted all of them to make sense in your worldview and stopped giving a shit. Reject my defence, reject others defending me, reject my points. Do better.

I have thought about all of these things. I’ve talked about most of them. I made tons of posts before I arrived at “Mac is bad.”

I still think Epi just nightkills me by Night 3 at the latest.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:23 pm If there are two scum left that would be pretty oof.

Agreed

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:12 pm My main issue with Sloonei aside from that I have intuitively read him scum all game is that he is reading me and TSP too simplisticly. I'm phone bound so no quotes but when I've tried to explain things he just cuts me off with angles of absolutism. The same way he hand waved Michelle defending me through TSP analysis as "easy distancing". I don't understand why he is tunneling me so much. I expect more pragmatism from him usually. Oh well.

I admit I feel a little complacent right now. The game situation doesn't require much urgency. You're first on my list. The game doesn't end if I'm wrong.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:11 pm I could see a blocker, I di agree sloonie lynches look good, but we just saw him as mafia in a game where they hard bussed and if he didnt go for tsp he'd have gotten lynched

I'm just saying we shouldnt clear him.

My recommendation is long con today, see what happens at night assuming he doesnt flop and fo from there

We bussed in the Wire because I was already suspect. It was prudent to cut our losses and dispose of me in a way that would look good for my partners.
Tony was not getting lynched without my intervention. I was getting lynched if I didn't fight back.

LC's my next choice after Mac.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:45 am

Weak. Probs all townies.
Mac is scum.
How is this post from scum TSP? Lile for a team mate?
Easy distancing points
Some player salad from DDL in there, with extra croutons.
I think that was supposed to be a POE list.
"Calling it now, the scum are in there." I think that's the regular salad.

But also that’s exactly how a POE list works. Granted, his was a bit large.

I still struggle to see DDL and Tony on the same team.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:45 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:18 am Sig, Michelle, LC. And Mac. And Wilgy for not voting at all.

Calling it now, the scum are in there.

I didn't get any bad vibes from the people I interacted with last night. It felt like a group of covs trying to clean the shit left by the rest.
Weak. Probs all townies.
Mac is scum.
How is this post from scum TSP? Lile for a team mate?
Easy distancing points
Some player salad from DDL in there, with extra croutons.

I think that was supposed to be a POE list.

Quin was a “semi-limited doctor”. It’s possible town has two “semi-limited doctors” who add up to one regular doctor.

Tony’s role came with the same sort of qualifier too, if I remember correctly. So who knows

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:39 pm It’s Day 6 and we’ve only had 3 nightkills. The first one was a doctor.
Maybe a roleblocker is allowed to double-target?

I struggle with the roleblocker theory because we’d almost certainly have someone very loudly clearing their throat in here if that was the case.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:45 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:18 am Sig, Michelle, LC. And Mac. And Wilgy for not voting at all.

Calling it now, the scum are in there.

I didn't get any bad vibes from the people I interacted with last night. It felt like a group of covs trying to clean the shit left by the rest.
Weak. Probs all townies.
Mac is scum.
How is this post from scum TSP? Lile for a team mate?

Easy distancing points

It’s Day 6 and we’ve only had 3 nightkills. The first one was a doctor.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:04 pm Legacy read team:

I do not think it's LC or DDL.
I have not checked Epi, but he feels honest. Ditto for Michelle, just change the gender pronoun.
Wilgy is a shrug. I have not been inclined to lynch him at any point this game, but I can't honestly say I have a definitive reason to rule him out as a Creature/Tony partner. Feels unlikely.
sig is probably the closest thing to a wildcard. I doubt it, but I haven't looked at him as a suspect at all outside of a brief moment on Day 1.
Mac makes sense to me. If I survive the night then my vote is going straight to him.
"Michelle, just change the gender pronoun."
what do you mean?

Another dumb joke. Everything I said about Epi, I would also say about you. But he’s a gentleman and you’re a lady.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:22 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:52 pm @sig why didn't you vote TSP like everyone in day 5?
I wasn't around for that CFD, but also I was and still am very committed to a Sloonie wagon.
Why? How? What was I thinking when I devoted all of my energy to getting Tony lynched?
That does throw a bit of a monkey wrench into my general reads, which is why I'm not voting for you today. I'd tinfoil you as mafia though.

I promise you there is no way I would ever bus a teammate that aggressively.
I also promise you there is no way I would ever make the three nightkills we’ve had in this game.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:52 pm @sig why didn't you vote TSP like everyone in day 5?
I wasn't around for that CFD, but also I was and still am very committed to a Sloonie wagon.

Why? How? What was I thinking when I devoted all of my energy to getting Tony lynched?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:08 pm @Sloonei what happened with your read on DDL?

I don’t think he’s Tony’s teammate.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:50 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:26 pm This got boring quickly
This kind of negativity does not belong near Weird Al.
What does Weird Al has to do with decade start?
Nothing can begin or end without Al’s blessing.
what means AI in this convo?

Weird Al. I was making a joke about the theme.

Does anyone have a reason to town read Mac?

It’s hard to think of any reason why any mafia player would be abstaining from their kill right now.

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