The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:49 pm I started 0-8, I believe lol.

My first victory came as an indie in your Ancient Greece game.

I don’t even remember my first victory here. But I joined at the end of the era when you needed to survive to win. I wasn’t credited with a win in Rocky & Bullwinkle, for instance, even though town won (and I was largely responible for catching one of the baddies before I died, just saying, i’m not harboring a grudge or anything after all these years that would be ridiculous)

Actually i think the first game I was credited with a win was Arrested Development, but that shouldn’t count. I was lynched Day 1 as town (because Jay was hosting) and then subbed back in the next day, this time as scum. But by then the cop (spacedaisy, i think) had nailed the entire team, so I was just stepping straight into a noose. I was a winner by default because I was a member of both factions.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:55 am

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:29 pm Sloonei, never forget how badly you misread me this game!

remember when i told sloonei right before i was killed to stop tunneling juliets if i died, and he votes for juliets then tells me he's not tunneling?

good times, folks, good times.

Honestly I felt like that suspicion was perceived to be a lot stronger than it really was. Juliets was a Day 1 suspect. Those come and go and can be dropped in an instant. I’m just loud and had some concerns about her play that day which hadn’t been alleviated. But I was never hellbent on making sure she got lynched, and I was always listening to counteragruments.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:23 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:08 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:57 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 pm Psyched!

Thanks so much for an excellent effort you guys.

Nova, I LOVE YOU. I really wondered tinfoil-style if you were playing with us all in the end.

Lol I was so scared, no way I was playing with anyone

it's how you kept asking sloonei to prove to you he was town and then deciding yeah he was town. then an hour later making another observation then saying "yeah my mind's made up" then an hour later making a new observation. i thought is this guy rubbing salt in the wound for later? lol. amazing effort, was really super impressed! think this is the first time i've seen supatown nova in full force.

Haha I didn't lie when I told you I was tired of losing, that's why I kept checking everything. Imagine all the civilians losses on TS, and double them 'cause of my loses on NF. Another reason was to appear as I was still trying to solve the game to get ahead of any late case built by Llama

I genuinely regarded your first post as a town slip and never looked back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:22 pm @Sloonei played my game and didn’t get mislynched.

Ancient Greece broke that curse. They couldn’t lynch me when they were actually supposed to, now the seal is broken.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:55 pm Nice game everyone. Sorry I called you a liar, Nova. I figured I had to seem really, legitimately angry or no one would believe it.
The Mac kill was a hail Mary, because I couldn't see any way to talk you guys out of voting me with a juliets or sloonei kill, so I was hoping the Mac kill would be weird enough to shake your confidence.

Unfortunately it was also easy enough to discern that that kill was intended to shake our confidence. But I don’t know where else I would have turned in that situation.

This game was more a town win than a scum loss. You guys played well through Day 2, and then after that all the civs made themselves impossible to suspect. Thanks for the good fight, animals.

He cheated

We broke the streak. Great game, y’all.

I’m not even in the country today and i’m basically indisposed til the deadline, so I guess I’ve said everything and my vote is final.

Nova/juliets, if you’re bad I’ll never trust you again. But juliets can’t be bad anyway.
Llama, I’m really happy you’ve returned to grace us with your presence. Don’t make it a one time thing.

I still think it would be useful to take a dive into mongoose’s posts to see if anything new shakes loose, but I don’t have the time right now, nor do I feel a sense of urgency. Everything nova has done this game just makes me read him more strongly as town, and the only way juliets is scum is if llama has a counterclaim that he’s been neglecting to share with us since Day 2.

Now would be a good time for me to workshop some of the hilarious characters I’ve been cooking up.

Ow, my freaking ears!

Oh, he posted during the afternoon. I meant he hasn’t posted this day phase.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:35 pm OOOOOH ok I see what you guys are saying. Ok well I still think it's llama too. Did he post today?

Nope

No Lynch at MYLO only makes sense when suspicions are evenly distributed.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:28 pm I can't remember what game it was, it just ended.

Something similar happened in Community, but DDL was the mislynch and Quin won because of it.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:27 pm So wait Sloonei isn't this the time we should vote no lynch and force the baddie to thin the herd? I thought that was the play when you had 4 left, one bad. We just ran across it in another game where they lynched Elo and lost the game when they should have voted no Lynch.

Only if we feel that will increase our chances of winning. But I can’t fathom a universe where it’s not llama. You are virtually clear and nova is oozing towniness and has been all game. Llama seems to barely even be trying. If we no lynch, you or I get killed and we’re in the same position as today.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:23 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:22 pm I will retire from civilized society altogether if juliets is bad.

I just got home from work. Did I not die?

Lol. I made that posr before night ended, but you are indeed still alive. Mac died.

What. The. Fuck.

Who was he saying was bad at the end?

llama. As is the case with everyone.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:23 pm I don't know how many pages have been posted today but I'm dead dog tired. Can someone catch me up?

Next to nothing has happened. Nova checked some tinfoil on me, but we’ve mostly just been twiddling our thumbs. Llama is still the clubhouse favorite to get deaded.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:22 pm I will retire from civilized society altogether if juliets is bad.

I just got home from work. Did I not die?

Lol. I made that posr before night ended, but you are indeed still alive. Mac died.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:36 pm Yeah I remember that. I think only a handful of us gave consideration to her claim and kind of believed her. I remember being weirded out by how her voter weren't giving it reasonable consideration

This angle should have been pursued at the time. What were we thinking?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:31 pm Tinfoil - Your late hesitation to the plan of confirming Luna wasn't as much fearing a civ confirmed which i thought was ridiculous but rather having Luna specifically confirmed, and not an easy mislynch target anymore

I’d previously argued that her claim should be believed.

I don’t wanna stop you from working through your tinfoil though. Do what you gotta do.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:14 pm Sloonei, why are you a civilian?

Host made me so.

I did all the things. I yelled the loudest. I would say I was primarily responsible for driving us to the Mongoose/Llama conclusion we’re at now.
If you want to check in on my Mongoose interactions, go ahead.

I’m vanilla and have been all along. It was my analysis of juliets’ claim and the matrix that brought about the circumstances for Luna to claim, and then I eventually deduced that she was probably telling the truth.

Voted llama. Anyone else just kills juliets there and maintains the status quo. Mac kill is intended to create uncertainty, I think.

Da fudge u up to llama?

I will retire from civilized society altogether if juliets is bad.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:12 pm Sloonei, I urge you to consider the possibility that Nova is Mongoose's teammate. I stand by my ISO of their interactions that they look totally compatible. And I don't think I am wrong about you, Mac, or juliets.

I intend to look into this during the day phase. But right now I simply read nova and mac too strongly as civilians. Even if I had no evidence suggesting that you are bad, my POE would be whittled down to you. That I was able to paint a picture of you and mongoose as a scum pairing with no trouble at all is just an extra layer of icing on the cake.

I don’t say this to discourage you if you are indeed town, I’m just saying that’s where we’re at right now. This game makes the mosr sense to me if you are bad. I encourage you to convince me otherwise.

jules been lit this game. absolute hashtags

Thanks juliets. We don’t win this thing without you. Assuming we are about to win this thing, I mean.

Sorry about Day 1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:04 pm In many ways I think that not nailing scum earlier in this type of format (small games small teams) actually ends up making it easier to win because you can solve the entire team at the same time. It's a format that I intend to bus/distance like crazy in future.

Kind of agree, assuming we're right about llama. I can recall a couple past games that were approximately this size where we lynched one baddie Day 1 and then had next to nothing to go off the rest of the game and lost.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:43 pm Oh my gosh you guys I just got home from work, what a brutal day. I see nova above saying he's going to re-read tonight so I guess the games not over. I'll catch up with who we lynched and whats going on.

The day concluded exactly as expected.

I still see llama and mongoose conspiring to sweep the No Lynch under the rug first thing on Day 2, which served more than anything to remove her from the line of fire.

Mongoose's partner knew she was a goner today, or at least greatly anticipated it. There wasn't a speck of resistance to that lynch. The only slight concern I had today was that we were completely off about her and today's lynch was losing us the game, hence the quiet thread down the stretch. But as that was not the case, it seems the quiet on their part was motivated more by an impulse not to give us any more of a trail than we might already have.

Nothing about this is at all incompatible with a Llama/Mongoose pairing, as has been assumed for a while now. But for the sake of being thorough, it may be worth it to go over Mongoose's posts one more time, and maybe some interactions from Day 3. But there's another game that deserves my attention (and nova's. and Mac's) right now.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:31 pm Noice.

Linki - I think?

Barring some wild new developments or objections.

I guess I'll stop posting

You got something to hide?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:31 pm Noice.

Linki - I think?

Barring some wild new developments or objections.

Nice. Llama tomorrow, I think.

Yeah I’m too sure that you are both civ to budge at this stage. Good game if one of you has been lying.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] i ain’t gonna sit here and defend you all day, son.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:12 pm Lol looks like he dropped her when he started to tunnel me

I’m fine with that again. He seemed to believe in the trustability of anyone who had a hand in confirming Luna yesterday. Mongoose briefly became “locktown” because of that, and you and I entered his tunnel vision because we, allegedly, resisted.

I think if Mac is scum he holds on to that tunnel vision and tries to get you lynched today.

That original “sus” read came on Night 1. Then all of Day 2 happened and he apparently progressed to a town read, then a lock town read. I don’t find it unbelievable progression, but maybe [mention]MacDougall[/mention] can explain it for us anyway.

I still maintain that nova’s first post is a decent town look for him.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:52 pm @Sloonei You here?

What’s up bae?

Just checkin’ in to say I feel abundantly confident in this thing.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:46 pm This is a lot of posting by Mongoose, and I appreciate that she is trying to defend herself, but none of it changes the fact that she is the one person who is likely to be on every possible mafia team combination.

But does that mean she has to be bad?

Mongoose wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:31 pm You ISO’s Colin, yeah, but I didn’t see you actively trying to dissuade people from voting Colin. It looked like busywork so that you could say you tried.

Why would I even bother doing an ISO now on any of you? I spent SO much time on that. It took me 4x as long as any of you, because I am so out of practice, and then you are all just rude and saying it;s crappy work.

I don’t think it was crappy work. I apologize if it came off that way. I’m saying I didn’t see you doing anything else to preserve Colin. I don’t feel like you actually cared about the Day 2 lynch result.

You ISO’s Colin, yeah, but I didn’t see you actively trying to dissuade people from voting Colin. It looked like busywork so that you could say you tried.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:09 pm I arrived at the conclusion of a Mongoose/llama team before anyone else. Alleging that nova is responsible for the suspicion of you is inaccurate.

Is that aimed at me? If so, I'm not sure what you are responding to.

You referring to nova as Wormtongue.

I arrived at the conclusion of a Mongoose/llama team before anyone else. Alleging that nova is responsible for the suspicion of you is inaccurate.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:49 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:40 pm To be clear, I don’t disbelieve the story one way or other. And actually, believing the story makes me feel slightly worse about llama. What I’m bothered by is llama’s “softball setup” in your words. It reads like he and mongoose conspired to get this narrative out there quickly and on their own terms so that the issue could be swept under the rug (hence also treating colin as a friend most of the day).

Llama was not the only one who took issue with the No Lynch votes. I did too, and I was not alone in that prior to llama’s entry into the game.

How is it a "softball setup"? I demanded an explanation and I got one that satisfied me. I'm confused about how you think I should have asked that question.

"Softball setup" was juliets' way of framing it, but I did co-sign it so I guess I'm in this with her.

It felt like a sterile question. You seemed to frame it somewhat deliberately and then she seemed too well prepared in her response to it. It was apparently one of the two most pressing issues for you at the start of the day, but you accepted her story right away and did not bring it up again.

It definitely didn't feel softball. That would have been so easy to let it sneak by if we were on the same team. No one had even dang ole brought it up yet.

It was a huge topic of discussion Day & Night 1, and llama asked that question first thing on Day 2.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:28 pm Getting back to my piggybacking of a point juliets made, Mongoose responded in part to my questions about her interaction with llama with this:

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:51 am There were seemingly better candidates. I was far from the only person to suspect Luna. The game is young. This is the first heist I've ever played (oof this pacing), so maybe that explains why everyone is so concerned with my lack of Day 1 pings and non-aggressive stance on Day 2. Back int he day, I just don't remember such drama over not having a lot of day 1 reads. It's a little baffling to me. I'm not the type to throw something out there and watch what happens. I don't disagree with that style, it's just not me.

These words were typed during this very night phase. Earlier in the game, however, she expressed the following frustration with the state of affairs:

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:13 pm Someone is hoodwinking us big time.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:14 am

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:46 pm Juliets you and I are on the exact same page. I think Luna is too and Mongoose. All we need to do is work together and we will easily accomplish this.

I’m on board.

With what, exactly?

Relax, not your lunch. Baddie hunting. Someone is leading us around by the noses, and I’m sick of it.

Do these posts reflect a cohesive civilian mindset? In the earlier two posts, she seems frustrated with the lack of success civilians are having. In the latest post, she excuses her avoidance of llama behind an apparent nonchalance over the state of the game.

I wasn't trying to chastise anyone, far from it. Someone is duping the group, and it's not me.

I was not accusing you of chastising anyone. This addresses none of my concerns.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:24 pm I am so late getting home, I'm not going to finish nova by the time the poll closes, but since Mongoose is a consensus read today I guess thats ok, I can finish it in the night phase. Is there anything I need to know? I scanned through and it didn't look like llama or Mongoose have been here today is that right?

The poll is still open for another 24 hours.