The Syndicate

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My one and only

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:07 am I didn’t even realize epi was the other scum. At least I can say I was 1 for 2.

What? I was on your naughty list out of the gate.

Yes. You were the 1.

I didn’t even realize epi was the other scum. At least I can say I was 1 for 2.

Also this was a fun little game, thank you Colin. Pure vanilla setups are a rare treat. [mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] I hope to see you around here some more. (that’s a non-alcoholic beer, of course), though this was probably my last game until the summer.

Most importantly, I’m glad we got an answer to my melting question.

I did start to doubt nutella when I died instead of her, but like I was dead so well played.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:04 pm I can also count on you to tinfoil me in every game. That and the sprit lynch were the reasons I trusted you.

i can always count on sloonei to over analyze me doing absolute nonsense

Gotta start somewhere

Go Pats

I can also count on you to tinfoil me in every game. That and the sprit lynch were the reasons I trusted you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:33 pm Unfortunately I can usually depend on sloonei to stand up for me when I'm town, now he'll never trust me again

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:56 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:56 pm @Sloonei while youre still uninformed, can you give me your reads
just sum it up with brackets like i have, i dont need explanation

From most to least town:
Nutella
reywaS
nova
MafiaMenace
Epignosis
Lunalee

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:25 pm sloonei cmon
i want to pick your brain a bit
spread your thoughts

it's been a busy couple of days. i've not read anything since the last time i was here.

Sorry for missing the end of day festivities. I didn’t intend for my G-man vote to be final, but I’m unsure whether I would have changed it anyway.

MafiaMenace and Luna remain my top priorities.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:38 pm Languishing through a partial re-read. I got through Night 1. It offered me a new perspective. I see room for Sloonei to be bad. He chimed in with mentions of sprityo several times during Day and Night 1 combined. It’s almost like he wanted us to follow him down that rabbit hole.

Because we didn’t, he looks better after the flip. He didn’t push hard for a sprityo lynch, because that would look way too obvious in retrospect, especially had we lynched sprityo Day 1. He was tied with two civvies for the Day 1 lynch before he switched to Eloh. Pulling a sacrifice switch on Eloh is much easier to swallow for many of us than pulling a sacrifice switch of Jay. Sloonei always values Jay’s input, something he mentioned later to me when I asked him about why Eloh over Jay. All this, plus being a day removed from his sprityo focus could be evidence of a smooth operator, which Sloonei can be.

I don’t know if I’ll have time to read through Day 2, so I’ll leave my vote where it is for now. Far too much to work through to call Sloonei hard mafia. I still see room for Nutella to be bad too. Reading back through keeping in mind that Jay, Eloh, and Sabie were civvie and Sprityo was bad didn’t open much more up in my mind about MafiaMenace, Wayward/Nove, or Spacedaisy/Luna. That where I think I need to do the most work to develop firmer reads on everyone.

Your vote is currently on yourself. I advise against that.

Looking at lunalee. Replacements always have the slight advantage, if and when they're scum, of being able to form genuine opinions before the enter the game. However, when Luna entered she appeared to do a big catch-up and posted her reads quickly after. It's not a bad look, though some points were a bit questionable:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:23 am Here's my current take on things:
Epi looks town because of his rainbow post on day 2 with sprityo listed as "would lynch" before the wagon had even taken off. Also his interactions with the thread look like genuine town to me.

The "rainbow post" is a post by Jay used to accuse Epi. I don't disbelieve that the original post from Epi could have been a good look to Luna, but this seems like an odd mix up. Care to explain how that happened, Luna? And maybe explain how/why the post(s) in question made Epi look good?

Nutella looks town from her posts so far, also Sprityo voted for nutella day 2. I don't really see a reason for him to vote for a teammate at that point. But she did stay on Sloonei until the very end even with him refusing to vote her to save himself. Seems a bit strange.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but nutella announced that she would not be around for the end of day. She didn't see any of the developments that lead to sprit's lynch.

I'm liking Sloonei's content. He looks town for his banter with nutella and nova. But also wants Epi lynched. When Sprityo comes up he says, "sprityo is a town read, but not a strong one. if anyone has a compelling case on him, please share it." That looks like he's ready to bus a teammate, but is looking for a good enough reason first. Says "so we're not lynching Epi?" as the sprityo wagon pulls away. Then places a vote on Spacedaisy and asks, "anyone?" Then very reluctantly votes sprityo. It's almost too reluctant to be a convincing bus. Then his reaction post-lynch is embarrassment for not being totally on board. Sort of looks town for that. Also looks town for refusing to settle for a nutella lynch. But I flipped back and forth on Sloonei a lot while reading day 2.

I like this. It seems to cover real ground as Luna struggles with her read on me.

Nova looks good for posting "I don't like sprit's vote on nutella." If Sprit and Nova were scum-mates, there would be no reason for him to point this out. But Nova also takes advantage of G-man's nutella vote to petition a last-minute switch to G-man. After Sprit flips scum, he also is very quick to point a finger at G-man as being "teammate compatible." Not a good look.

Could you elaborate on why it's not a good look for nova to push G-man after sprit flips bad? I can get this criticism prior to the lynch, but afterwards it seems like totally fair game. Plus, I was directly asking him to share his thoughts on G-man.

MafiaMenace thought lynching Sloonei was a good idea. But after sprityo becomes an option, Menace posts the two people he wants to lynch are nutella or Jay (one now confirmed town, and the other looks town to me). Also the way he was quick to get defensive with Epi makes him look suspicious to me.

Why does the quick defensiveness make him look bad?

G-man pops in near EOD with a "I want to lynch nutella." I see how this looks bad, but it's not completely condemning, especially if he wasn't around much. Actually Nova's quick reaction to G-man's vote looks worse.

I'm sure there have been updates on this read because I remember you talking about G-man a bit and then voting him.

I had difficulty reading reywaS behind all their Kanye memes and lyrics. They voted Sloonei and stayed there while Sprityo was lynced. Not a good look, but I also distrust people who seem to hide behind a post gimmick.

I impulsively leap to defend people who post with gimmicks because they're willfully making themselves an easy target to criticism. Note that that's happening here a little. For what it's worth, I thought reywas looked genuine in his drunken relapse from the shtick last night.

I appreciate that this post exists, but I have a few questions about the mindset reflected in these reads. Some seem like they could be dishonest to an extent.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:53 pm ....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Sprityo throws this comment away at the end of a post. If he is scum and he sincerely wants us to push this angle, he might give it more attention, maybe even devote an entire analytical post to it or something. But instead he just floats the idea with a shrug, not even naming the three people he’s vaguely accusing here (Spacddaisy/Lunalee, WaywardSon/nova, MafiaMenace). Sprit’s apparent lack of emphasis on this subject would cause me to speculate that maybe he’s telling the truth when he says one of them is bad.

MafiaMenace is one of them. I feel mildly good about nova. I have no clearly defined read on luna. She should give us reads and get attention.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:58 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:03 am

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

I feel like the sprityo connections are the strongest pieces of the case. Why do you disagree?

I think the indirect defense point is a stretch. I read it more as an attack on Nutella, since he was scrutinizing her behavior in that exchange.

I don't see the 2 fluff exchange between them as compelling evidence of partnership. I fluff around, and have playful banter in-thread with most players regardless of my alignment. Case in point, me and you had similar exchanges early last day that Nutella qualified as banter/distancing. I'm Town, so from my PoV it isn't. If you're Town, you should have the same PoV. I see their exchanges in the same light.

Now, the lack of mentioning and interaction between them could be telling something but Sprityo hasn't been really active nor talkative so it's moot point. I remember you making this conclusion has well.

It’s the lack of interaction paired with those couple of “fluff” posts that has me concerned. And also sprityo’s unapologetic support of MafiaMenace in his argument with nutella on Day 2. It looked like a teammate trying to lend support of his partner’s case without calling too much attention to the fact.

There is also another post I want to emphasize separately.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:03 am

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

I feel like the sprityo connections are the strongest pieces of the case. Why do you disagree?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:20 pm
the first one was the quote without my post
"that was my goal by stirring up an argument"

its just a direct interaction, it was a normal conversation and i dont see the reason how its wolfy
theres many insignificant interactions throughout this game, you cant just single that one specifically lmao

My only meaningful gripe with MafiaMenace's response to me is this bit. I can't just dismiss the interaction in question here as "normal conversation" when one of the two parties involved is confirmed scum. The entire point of interactive reads is to read the interactions between people. When I see severely limited interactions between Confirmed Scum and Potential Suspect, and the most noteworthy exchange is totally superfluous, I'm going to scrutinize that. That sort of stuff is my mafia lifeblood.

Other than that, I like some of your responses to me, but there's nothing more to be said. What matters most now, to me at least, is the development of new reads from you. Tell us what's going on in your head right now.

[VOTE: G-man] aubergine to keep the poll nice and tight for now.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] why did you switch your vote to MafiaMenace?

But also I'm about to head out for the night anyway, so like, no rush I guess.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:58 pm fuck man quit giving me shit to respond to LOL
this is gonna take me ages to sort

Yeah I apologize for that. Don't worry about responding to everything right away. I mostly care about the direct questions I asked. I think things will go more smoothly if we don't try to bite off everything at once.

Giving this post singular attention for a moment:

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:29 pm excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post

I'm not sure what "the first one" refers to. I would guess you mean this exchange, but correct me if I am wrong: I associate the two of you here because, well, you're directly interacting with each other. And I make the connection that I do because this interaction looks very insignificant, to the point of being totally superfluous. It's fluff, and it's one of the only times the two of you interacted. I don't think it's an uncommon trend for Mafia partners to keep a bit of distance between themselves in the thread. This has the feel of an obligatory exchange so as to not be too obviously far apart from one another.

you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro

Civilians can and should be hypocrites. Just because I do something from an honest standpoint, it doesn't mean that somebody else doing a similar thing must also be coming from an honest standpoint. And anyway, my response to you and sprit's response are hardly similar. I asked you a straightforward, direct question. Sprit made a joke about it.

the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

I do not know what "the third one" is. Could you please point it out for me? And if we're not going to be breaking down and analyzing "normal conversations" then what the hell are we supposed to do in this game?

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

What is opportunistic about this? Were you a suspect prior to now? Until this moment the day has been lazily slipping towards a G-man lynch. You yourself have advocated for me as being a catalyst of that bandwagon, so we sure as hell can't argue that I'm now trying to save my teammate G-man, can we? So please tell me what's opportunistic in my sudden case against you. You were not particularly vulnerable beforehand, and the leading wagon was one at least partially of my own creation.

I already ISO'd MafiaMenace earlier here, so I'll just pick up where I left off now.

Starting here:

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:36 pm epi is way too helpful and considerate to be scum

hes always willing to change his mind and i cant see that as scum
my ways to read may seem a bit unorthodox to you guys, but they have a good success rate

"Epi is way too helpful to be scum" is a wacky ass thing to say, and his progression on this statement felt messy. I'd also want to ask why the "changes their mind too much to be scum" argument doesn't also apply to nutella, who's spewing out reads like she just downed an entire tub of chicken wing ice cream.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:57 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:51 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:29 pm
no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself

It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay

the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point

This again strikes me as inconsistent. In his weak ass exchange with sprit, he mentioned that getting people talking is a good strategy. Now he's shading nutella for exactly that.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:01 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

Now he's just disagreeing with everything she does.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:35 pm nutella and wayward is tvs
nutella and epi is probably tvs

im going for the overlap first

Invents a dichotomy to further his nutella lynch agenda.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:24 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:49 pm But also I generally appreciate it when people explain their reads regardless. So tell me what your read is on nova and why, please and thanks

there is no read
it was just a joke

What is your read on the player slot formerly occupied by WaywardSon, now novaselinenever? Does the substitution affect your read in any way?

a substitution should not affect a read

i have him in my notes as slight town right now, i cant really remember the reason, but his content is genuine so ill still tr him

This is a read that tells me nothing.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:01 pm ugh id rather it be nutella
but i do think there is one scum between them
and if nova has to be lynched so nutella can be then so be it

This is just a blind push for nutella now. Given that sprityo was also on her, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a deliberate effort to push her lynch yesterday. If this is the case and both sprit and MafiaMenace are scum, there may have been a civilian pushing against nutella at some point.

I guess this has turned into a brief dissection of MafiaMenace's case on nutella. My verdict is that I don't like it. I don't know for sure that I dislike it in the way that I think he's bad because of it, but I have outside reasons to feel bad about him and this isn't helping his case. Back to our regularly scheduled ISO:

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:45 pm My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

Jay shouldn't be trusted.

jay is on the sidelines a little bit
so i agree slightly

doesnt mean he outright shouldnt be trusted tho

Does this fit the definition of hedging?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:51 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:28 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:26 pm Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

Let’s talk about them.

Lynching Jay or Nutella feels the most right to me today. The hang-up is that I doubt they’re both bad. That seems too easy.

i agree with that, im getting vibes that there could be a team there but i dont want to push that thought heavily

anyways your votes on epi
did you just forget to change the poll?

Tell us what these teammate vibes were, MafiaMenace. And also tell us why you were hesitant to push the idea. And why you chose to respond to this post in that way. Please and thanks.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:03 pm Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

epi wouldnt need to be helpful
its minor towncred that would go over everyones head
its lucky that im forming a read on that opinion

MafiaMenace's initial statement was "Epi is too helpful to be scum." Now "Epi doesn't need to be helpful." Later it's "No one cares that Epi is being helpful." This argument is a perfect circle that makes very little sense and seems to be weirdly and uniquely pinned onto Epi. Why were you singling Epi out as a "helpful" player, MafiaMenace?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:34 pm honestly a sloonei lynch isnt the worst thing that could happen lbr

im fine with letting it rand

Gross. The softest hint of support for my lynch, though he's careful not to outright endorse it. And opting for a tie is always bad. I think I've been a helpful player too, just like Epi. I gave Wayward/nova plenty of room to dig their way out of the hole. Where's my town credit?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:57 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:55 pm the town is way too split

we need a red flip to fix this or else we arent going to work together well
the conflict with everyone's reads is awful
there is borderline no overlap

what do you propose we do?

well thats why im making that post
i have no idea
this town is so broken it feels unfixable

I don't get this attitude. Chaos near the end of Day is better for town than scum. Also, at the time of this post his primary suspect (nutella) was still looking like a viable lynch candidate. Why the sudden shift into despair?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:02 pm JJJ
nutella

heres mine

quote this post with yours

we need to fix this

The two most obviously civilian players in the game. Jay is now dead, indicating that the mafia team wanted him to be gone. nutella is a similarly vocal player. The mafia team would presumably want her gone.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:18 pm ok im a fool
rip any trust people had lmfao

Since then he's kinda thrown up his hands as if in resignation:

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:12 am fucking shit dude
anyways im pretty convinced
[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

He's sheeping the easy G-man vote today.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:14 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:54 pm MM's disappearance isn't really helping me out here

ive disappeared because i have a very shit confidence level

i get very confident about a hang and when im wrong i just drop
especially because the way i talk about it

Hey now, that's no way to play. Fuck whether you're right or wrong. If we were all right about all our suspicions then this game wouldn't even exist. The very best civilians have like a 30% success rate if they're lucky. What matters is the process of solving the game, not being right the first time.

So, like, get back in here and tell us what you think. Don't bother worrying about being correct, that's just gonna weigh you down. Spew thoughts and see what happens.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:29 pm excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post
you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro
the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Lol. This post has come into existence since I started this ISO. Hey there pal. Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook, first of all. Second of all... I should respond to this separately. But this looks hilarious seeing as 10 minutes ago you were actively following my case on G-man. Why the quick reversal?

MafiaMenace & sprityo II

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:06 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:04 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

that was my goal by stirring up an argument

Great exchange.

Indirect defense by attacking nutella based on her treatment of sprit.

That'll do it. To be fair to MafiaMenace, sprit wasn't the most vocal player, so it's not egregious that he'd have so little to say to/about him, but this is sparse, and sparse isn't good in this context. I'll take a broader look at his ISO next.

sprityo's interactions with others: sprityo became visibly frustrated with an amalgamation of nutella and myself because of the early pressure we put on him. nutella busted his chops about his Day 1 self-vote here and sprit seemed flustered. Good look for nutella, who is already my top town read anyway.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:01 am Epi has big dick man disease

This seems to be a playful jab/observation of fact about Epi. I could see it as a teammate interaction, or friendly banter directed at a civilian to appear calm and amicable.
Pure fluff. I don't think this is a good look for MafiaMenace. This post also seems a little out of place in the larger body of sprit's ISO. At no other point does he preach a strategy like this, or talk mafia philosophy at all. It has the appearance of an obligatory and mechanical public interaction with a teammate.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:07 am

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm Seriously though WaywardSon is a glowing red beacon of mafia. The posts are ugly. Y’all can read them and figure it out.

lol Are you considered good at this game? Just wondering.

this is the funniest thing i have read all day

To be fair, that remains the funniest post in the thread. NAI.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:08 am @G-Man Right, let me do that now

This is the flip side of the astonishingly weak interaction with G-man that I highlighted yesterday. I'm still not sure why it needs to exist.

At one point during the day, sprityo started reciting the Day 1 vote progression for some reason. When I asked him about it, he said... nothing. I don't know why this wasn't a red flag to me at the time. I changed the subject:

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:44 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:23 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:42 am so there was a 3 way tie between jay, sloonei, and eloh. which sloonei broke

the underlined was everyone who put a vote in thread and was their last vote yesterday

Yes. What are you thinking?

i mean. i can't say sloonei looks suspicious because it's technically self vote. but it was a 1/3 chance so i mean it's NAI im sure

That's probably the right way to read it. Anyone look suspicious?

....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Casts shade at Epi by piggybacking on my case, and vomits some words about Jay and "everyone who isn't participating", which was really just Daisy, but he also includes a bit about the folks who didn't vote Day 1 (MafiaMenace, WaywardSon/nova, + SpaceLuna). Based on this hypothetical salad, I too would not be surprised to find that one of those folks is bad. Thanks sprit.
I'm undecided on the Epi prod. Could go either way, and it's too soft to tell.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:09 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:25 pm nova gets a hard townread out the gates
/s

>makes one piece reference
>townlock

Playful banter with MafiaMenace. That's two interactions that don't need to exist.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:20 pm Hey so who did nova replace? Daisy?

I thought he replaced WS but that was a misunderstanding????

To quote a great man: "Wild." How are we supposed to interpret this post? sprit publicly asks who nova replaced (the answer is WaywardSon). He thinks it might be Daisy, but also that it might be WaywardSon, or that he misunderstood something(?). Then there's the fact that he put this question into the thread, when the answer is sitting out in the open if he just looks at the front page or at Colin's post where he announces nova's entry, or follows along with the conversation, or asks the host privately. This post is bizarre but I'm struggling to dissect it. It definitely indicates something about sprit's association with SpaceLuna and WaywardVaseline. I just don't know what. He's aware that a substitution has taken place, but is either pretending not to know or genuinely does not know who has been replaced. At the time, sprit was not in any danger of being lynched, so I'm unsure if he would have been planting red herrings in the thread. Somebody help me. What can we make of this post, if anything at all? I don't like this post, let's move on to something easier to digest.

nutella
MafiaMenace

[VOTE: MafiaMenace] aubergine while I dig through his posts next.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:23 pm Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

Do you have any specific beefs with Luna's posts?

I hope there are no beef flavored ice creams. My reality can't handle another impact like that.

The strongest reason to town read G-man, that I can think of, is his Day 1/early Day 2 effort. He made a lot of posts and generally appeared helpful.

But that I thought that reminded me of something, so I did some digging and uncovered Image Mafia G-man, where he was a high-volume poster, given the flavor of that game, early on and appeared as a helpful and diligent civilian early on. Of course, he turned out to be a mafia roleblocker and the whole thing was an act.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:43 pm @Sloonei

I think it's a recurring feeling I've been having with G-Man this phase, and catching up. It started when I noticed him withholding his vote which contrasted with his play of producing isos and inviting discussions. It felt like he was holding on to it to see waiting for the game to unfold and wagons/suspicions grow bigger, rather than as a tool to prod and push the lynches he believes in.

Then towards EoD (even the second half of the phase), his game solving completely crumbled. He's present but there is nothing coming from him. Silent votes, cryptic posts. I didn't see any merits to his GTH exercise, and I still don't. It was specifically tailored to reywaS which defeat its purpose especially at a point where the game was stalled. It served more as an excuse for him to coast than anything else. I didn't get any sense of urgency from his EoD, which makes me believe that he didn't care who got lynched.

Okay nova, I see where you're coming from. I didn't actually read this far last night. The lack of urgency is a problem. If G-man and sprityo are teammates, he probably didn't think sprityo would actually get lynched last-minute. We might also assume the other wagons were town for G-man not to care who got lynched.

Yeah this is a great point.

Agreed. I’m fairly certain we had two civilian wagons mounting for most of the day, and in a situation like that i would expect scum to let their guard down a little and take it easy. This describes G-man’s end of day behavior pretty accurately, I think.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:16 am Or the part where he blows up?

Yeah that one. And then when he puts a vote on me because he got you and I mixed up in his rage.

I’m still hovering around Epi as a potential suspect, but he looks significantly better after yesterday. I still don’t love G-man’s behavior and I have more questions for/about him than anyone else at this stage. KanyewaS did some questionable things towards the end of day as well, but I don’t have much faith that we’ll get any clear answers from him.

I dig Luna’s entry into the game even if a big chunk of it seems to have missed some important context. Not enough to cal her a town read just yet, but it was not the worst possible entrance. Nova feels like a town read, but I’m not taking him out of the POE pool yet. Ditto for MafiaMenace, but he’s probably closer to being taken out of the pool.

Nutella is my strongest town read by far.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:05 am Still sorting out whether I think Sloonei looks sprityo-teamed. There are arguments to be made in both directions, though Epi and Luna both recently made some points that make me lean yes. His early call-out of sprit could have been easy distancing that he was comfortable wouldn't lead anywhere day 1, and this combined with his day 2 reluctance to lynch sprit is not a great look. On the other hand, if he expressed such discomfort once it was clear that sprit would be the lynch, it may be a good look, so I'll have to re-analyze the timing of his vote and comments during EOD.

I'm currently waffling on Nova vs G-man. I can appreciate luna's accusation that nova made a convenient accusation of gman, but on the other hand I townread Menace pretty strongly and he agrees with Nova (+ the case sloonei made... I haven't even thought about whether sloonei and gman could be teamed hmm).

Look at sprityo’s response to my accusation on Day 1.

Fuck WIFOM: Jay’s death should confirm that I’m civilian.

My night was ruined by that ice cream flavor.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:59 pm Let’s see if I survive the night first. The way you guys were talking me up as a strong civ read made me concerned that I’d be a prime NK target. That, and a busy day yesterday led my lack of motivation and screwing around.

You’re currently closer to a prime suspect than a strong civ for some of us, don’t worry.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:40 pm la muerte viene por ti

What do you think of that lynch that just happened?

Loved the result, especially since I didn’t have a read on sprityo.

no vote analysis or anything?

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:40 pm la muerte viene por ti

What do you think of that lynch that just happened?

I do think it would be worthwhile to look at Epi’s vote again. He seemed kind of mechanical at the end of the day.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:38 pm If there was a busser last night, it was nova. I’d be lukewarm at best on lynching him right now though.

At some point we’re going to have to do something with daisy. As more people get crossed off the POE list, she looks like a better lynch option.

Why me?

That sounds like some defeatist attitude I don't like. You're setting up her lynch as a must-do in order to solve the game. That's bogus. We could very well bag the remaining baddies with her not present. Wouldn't be the first time someone is inactive and I should know (lol).

Or do you know with certainty that she's scum perhaps?

I care about theb “Epi doesn’t bus” argument a little. Plus the way you started floating G-man is not a great look. I do not think you’re bad, i’m just saying that if I had to pick one name out of that group, you’d be my first choice.

And I’m just trying to make sure we don’t forget Daisy is here. I feel like I have a good number of town reads at this point, which reduces our pool of suspects. Daisy is a complete no-show to this point, and that’s something we’ll have to deal with eventually.

If there was a busser last night, it was nova. I’d be lukewarm at best on lynching him right now though.

At some point we’re going to have to do something with daisy. As more people get crossed off the POE list, she looks like a better lynch option.

phone postin’

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:57 am Holy shit nice

I missed a lot. What a wild EOD to read through

I still suspect Sloonei. His hard-TMI-buddying-to-a-self-sacrificial-extent is real messy. But I should keep an open mind and reassess now that we have a scum flip so I'll take a look at his sprityo interactions.

FTR I do think Nova is town now (unless he decided to hard bus sprityo, which could happen but he has been looking good in general), and his thoughts on G-Man coming out of this phase are compelling. The GTH exercise was very weirdly timed and G took on a bizarre no-fucks-given attitude but I'm not sure what that says about him.

How and where do you thinkvI TMI’d?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:13 pm Looks like I can start my prep work on The Polka Heist.

I never can seem to keep it together for a full game. Ah well.

Now which one of you chuckleheads wants to die tonight?

You’re currently alive. What’s on your mind?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:43 pm @Sloonei

I think it's a recurring feeling I've been having with G-Man this phase, and catching up. It started when I noticed him withholding his vote which contrasted with his play of producing isos and inviting discussions. It felt like he was holding on to it to see waiting for the game to unfold and wagons/suspicions grow bigger, rather than as a tool to prod and push the lynches he believes in.

Then towards EoD (even the second half of the phase), his game solving completely crumbled. He's present but there is nothing coming from him. Silent votes, cryptic posts. I didn't see any merits to his GTH exercise, and I still don't. It was specifically tailored to reywaS which defeat its purpose especially at a point where the game was stalled. It served more as an excuse for him to coast than anything else. I didn't get any sense of urgency from his EoD, which makes me believe that he didn't care who got lynched.

I dig all of this. I think G-man has shot himself straight up to my top scum read. I wanna hear what others think.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:34 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:31 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:18 pm ok im a fool
rip any trust people had lmfao

What do you think of this EoD, and the flip?

this entire game is a mess
im retarded
nutella is 80% town

Who's bad?

i dont fucking know
your post of gman looks pretty agreeable

What's the best reason to town read each player in the game?

no, everyone is just a null

I know, I’m asking this to try to help stimulate some reads for you. I’ve found it to be a useful exercise in the past. Don’t worry about being right or wrong, just say things and see how you feel about them later.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:31 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:18 pm ok im a fool
rip any trust people had lmfao

What do you think of this EoD, and the flip?

this entire game is a mess
im retarded
nutella is 80% town

Who's bad?

i dont fucking know
your post of gman looks pretty agreeable

What's the best reason to town read each player in the game?

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:32 pm

Who's bad?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:18 pm ok im a fool
rip any trust people had lmfao

What do you think of this EoD, and the flip?

this entire game is a mess
im retarded
nutella is 80% town

Who's bad?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:19 pm Epi was first to change to sprit. Good look. Jay followed, then nova. But nova also tried to push G-man at the last minute instead, though he obviously changed back.

G-man pushed everyone but sprit. reywaS slipped a vote on me and bounced. MafiaMenace was on nutella, but his tone seemed desperate (heh) most of the end-phase and he seems sincere. sprit was on nutella so that pretty much clears her in my mind.

spacedaisy is MIA.

@novaselinenever let's talk about G-man now.

I was first on Sprit

But yeah I also tried G-man 'cause he was pinging me hard at EoD. It wasn't my suspicions of Sprit wavering, rather suspicons on G-man increasing exponentially.

Let's talk about him. What do you think about his EoD, and my take on him?

I think he seemed to be playing his own game. I think his explanation for his behavior confirms this. I don't get it.
I'd like to hear more about why you feel the way I do. Not because I distrust you or anything. I just think it would be good for all of us if you got your full thoughts on in the thread.