The Syndicate

I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.
All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.
Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?
From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You
That’s one wolf tops.

Who and why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.
All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.
Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:55 pm Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.
I don't know what thread you're reading.

I’m on page 143 of the 2019 Game of Champions on mafiathesyndicate.com.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:49 pm I don’t wanna hear “I don’t see it.”

I don’t wanna hear “Jack is in a tunnel.”

You wanna save Jay, get yourself on record really defending him before he flips wolf.

Go ahead.
hi
Has your read not progressed in a week?

It has. Obviously it has. I’ve talked a good deal about how it has. This is part of why I’m saying you’re in a tunnel: it doesn’t actually feel like you’re bothering to read things.

But also that is my case for compatible Mac teammates. No new information has been added to it (except that G-man abstained from voting for him Day 2). So that part, as it pertains to Jay, has not changed.

Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:49 pm I don’t wanna hear “I don’t see it.”

I don’t wanna hear “Jack is in a tunnel.”

You wanna save Jay, get yourself on record really defending him before he flips wolf.

Go ahead.

hi

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:42 pm General note: Jack's suspicion of me now is almost a carbon copy of what nutella and Mac did to me in Dogs vs. Cats. They were both 100% certain, they pushed and pushed and yelled and screamed, and they were wrong. They broke my zen. I was a civilian and so were they. I don't think Jack's coming from a dishonest place. I think he's too far down the rabbit hole to find his way back up.

Broken zen is the reason I abandoned my suspicion, for the record.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:34 pm My point is, Jack, that I think you’re town and are burrowing deeper and deeper into a self-made tunnel right now.
I don’t believe you believe that.
Exactly.
Yet Jay’s fur remains. What am I supposed to do but suspect you? If you’re town, don’t tell me to get out of this tunnel cause it leads to a wolf. If you’re town, get out of Jay’s pocket.

I’ve played more mafia games with JaggedJimmyJay than anyone else. I briefly suspected him today. I have done plenty of homework in here. This is not a blind town read. If Jay is bad then he has fooled me. I think that you are wrong.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:34 pm My point is, Jack, that I think you’re town and are burrowing deeper and deeper into a self-made tunnel right now.
I don’t believe you believe that.

Exactly.

My point is, Jack, that I think you’re town and are burrowing deeper and deeper into a self-made tunnel right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.
This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.
That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.
I don’t see how that’s relevant.
You’re a smart guy.

I can’t seem to drag you to a wolf lynch.

Why is that?
I lynched radishes and I lynched sig. Today I had a tinfoil theory that Jay was the anti-monitor. I care less about that than I did earlier. No one else cared about it while I cared about it. He is back to being a town read.
I feel like there’s a pattern there.

You voted Sig and Radishes but not Mac and Jay.

I’m sure the reason will come to me eventually.

And you’ll vote for Mac but not Radishes and sig. You’ll also insist on goofy ass connections that don’t exist.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.
Oof
When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.
This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.
That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.
I don’t see how that’s relevant.
You’re a smart guy.

I can’t seem to drag you to a wolf lynch.

Why is that?

I lynched radishes and I lynched sig. Today I had a tinfoil theory that Jay was the anti-monitor. I care less about that than I did earlier. No one else cared about it while I cared about it. He is back to being a town read.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.
Oof
When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.
This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.
That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

I don’t see how that’s relevant.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.
Oof
When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:35 pm Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.
These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.
I'm not going to leave but @Michelle your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

There’s no elephant in this game.

Walk me through your read on Jay, independent of the game-state or anyone else’s thoughts on him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:01 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:58 pm @G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?
On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.
There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?
On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.
Why vote at all?
what

A vote for me on Day 2 meant nothing. G-man threw his vote away.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:01 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:58 pm @G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?
On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.
There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?
On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:58 pm @G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?
On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

[mention]G-Man[/mention] why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:35 pm Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:47 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..
G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.
is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.
Oh. What.
Go stick an eyeball on the first post.

My memory must have blocked that out because it makes no sense. All I remembered was “I can’t vote radishes because of Sloonei.”

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:23 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.
So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?
No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.
Sloonei, I'll think about this but I didn't see the evidence that he forgot we were playing with two mafia teams. And then the move from sig to Mac at the last minute the next day on top of this just doesn't look good to me. But I will ponder what you're saying.

He voted on the wagon opposite my vote because he did not trust me. That looks like a player’s mafia instincts kicking in: “I suspect Sloonei, therefore I distrust the wagon he is voting on.” It doesn’t make sense in this game, but it is applicable to a normal game. I guess “forgot” is a strong word.

The alternative is that he made up a poor excuse because he was under pressure. That is not impossible. I lean in favor of the former.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:35 pm Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Why does ted’s vote make you want to stop talking about g-man?

And also pretend I didn’t make any typos.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:13 pm @Sloonei ^ ^

See my response.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.
So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:56 pm Why is tedxtr town?
why is not?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:47 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:13 am How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????
It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

Why is tedxtr town?

What’s the argument for g-man being mac’s teammate?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:26 pm I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

It’s not.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:13 am How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:04 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:02 am That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.
Would you confidently state that speedchuck is not the anti-monitor?

Tell me more about the yellow thing.

I would not. But sabie had at least one post where she took a definitive stance against speedchuck, which does not align with her handling of the other two members of her team.

In my exchange earlier with ted, he did the old “act incredulous in the face of moderate pressure” routine and I wasn’t a fan.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:46 pm So only you can be zen?
Seriously though, your posts are sleepy. The game is not in a good place. That's a contrast.

That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:50 pm Do I look zen right now

Not anymore.

So only you can be zen?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.
Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.
sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

I have one specific memory that sticks out to me when I think of Jay's handling of sig:

Spoiler: show

After we both dug into radishes and came up with negative looks on sig, I prodded Jay to talk about this new development. His response was pretty tame and by-the-script. Beep boop, as nutella would say.

Even though no one seems to care about my "Jay is the anti-monitor" theory.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:31 pm Civilians who think I am on Mac's team:

Build a team of three among living players that includes me and then reconcile that with your general reads.

I'm not your guy.

Civilians who think I am on sig's team:

If I had my way he'd have been dead on Day 3 before the Inception shenanigans even happened.

I'm not your guy.
Who is the anti-monitor?
Who cares? He's alone. The three player team is the threat.

I care what name Jay proposes as the alternative.

Also the anti-monitor becomes a bigger threat in a late-game scenario. A player with -2 votes is an almost impossible lynch when the numbers start to dwindle, even if they're alone.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:31 pm Civilians who think I am on Mac's team:

Build a team of three among living players that includes me and then reconcile that with your general reads.

I'm not your guy.

Civilians who think I am on sig's team:

If I had my way he'd have been dead on Day 3 before the Inception shenanigans even happened.

I'm not your guy.

Who is the anti-monitor?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.
If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.
juicy. why? solely because of him not matching with anyone or is there something else?

ted hasn't read any of my novels

The short version is this: the only observable pattern in sabie's treatment of her two confirmed teammates (sig & radishes) is that she seemed to be actively avoiding them. This is more notable in the case of radishes, as she was prompted to talk about him multiple times but never said anything other than "I don't know." She was similarly prompted to talk about Jay a few times and never said much more than "I don't know." Jay was a big thread presence and is a player who sabie is familiar with.

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