The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:39 am Turnip Head has been lynched he was mafia I’ll be updating with video and stuff later (at work)

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Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:38 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:36 am Oh shit

Is he a 1-shot-vig-upon-death type of thing

Well, that’s on you bud lol
Holy fuck everyone should have been revealing their roles before their lynch is posted maybe.

nah. assuming ddl doesn't get to know who we are when we die, it's best to keep that information away from his soup bowl.

th shoot me!

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:29 am

She looks like she's going for a nose pick and then remembers there's cameras on her.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:30 am Because I have a theory

Is the theory "Sloonei said so"?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:30 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:28 am Really thinking and hoping we hit scum there

Which means that sig is the other one and we all should speed lynch him
Based on poll? Why not sabie?

cuz i said so

Spoiler: show

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:27 am LC, did you win?

Don’t mess with my feelings

No.

I did.

but also neither of the hosts are currently here so we may have to wait a while.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:25 am 4 more minutes until I find out if I had the shittiest game of my entire life

This setup is not designed to benefit town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:23 am I don't think it explicitly says there's a limit to Monokuma's recruitments... but, like, he has to stop at some number to make any sense, right?

I do not have confirmation, but I have reason to suspect there's a limit.

Imagine if I was just straight up lying and my role secret is that I become a mafia aligned stump upon death.

If a tree votes in a forest and no one's around to hear it does it make a sound?

I'd probably be on LC if I had a vote, but I've changed my mind a dozen times tonight.

So we’re off LC?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:15 am Let’s vote sig tbh

lynching sig is a syndicate meme, for what it's worth.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:02 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:13 pm Long Con - Coooooooo? (Same as Okosan mentioned in the original response, Okosan felt that early in the game Long Con was just throwing sus around on people to see what stuck, and to cause paranoia. One example, again, being where he said all the people voting for Turnip Head was sketchy but not following through with it at all. Looking back through Long Con's posts just now Okosan also noticed a few things like one, LC tried to delay DDL's lynch by a day. Two, claimed he didn't know how to town read people, and yet he's been scum reading people just fun. Three, he pushed this bs world of Jack being scum and never answered Okosan's question following up on that. Mysteriously disappearing at the end of day to just let that lynch go through. LC is just mega scum and probably scum that was converted early)
I like Turnip Head. He's an old friend, and he hadn't done anything to deserve being in the lynch lead. So I hit back on his behalf. Didn't plan to follow through, just getting people off TH.

I don't remember trying to delay DDL's lynch for a day. Sounds weird, I agree.

" Two, claimed he didn't know how to town read people, and yet he's been scum reading people just fun." I assume you meant "fine"? Or was it "for fun"? Either way, I can't really respond to such a nebulous and unsupported accusation. Like, am I supposed to now ISO myself to see what you're actually talking about?

I thought Jack was a likely scum, and some people still think that's true despite his flip. And the end of the day had someone else in the lead, so I don't get how "mysteriously disappearing" (going to work? What day was that?) has anything to do. There was mysterious vote fuckery, and it wasn't me.

I can see this post coming from a bad LC. The bottom paragraph in particular reads as fabricated.

"I thought Jack was a likely scum, and some people still thank that's true despite his flip" doesn't sound like an authentic sentence. It's mechanical, purely observational. He cites lingering skepticism about Jack's flip to lend authority to his prior misguided suspicion, but he doesn't personally weigh in on that skepticism; it's just "some people still think". That point was incorrect anyway, and I corrected him on it shortly after.

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:22 pm Lynch Turnip Head
Cooo! (Kay. If you guys aren't going to lynch obvious scum at least follow the confirmed that way scum doesn't just bunch up together and insta win)

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

[VOTE:

What's the concise version of your case against LC?] aubergine

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:18 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:10 pm COO! COO! (Also as a side note Okosan knows you guys don't know him so you'd have no way to know, but it's funny you think this is how Okosan plays as mafia )
This is what I was saying to you and tedxtr earlier

What would be different if you were a bad bird?
Coooooo! (Hmm it's hard to descibe but in general Okosan feels he's much more likely to go with the flow and be more natural overall as town. If he finds a scum read day to day or thinks of something that makes sense now but didn't make sense earlier, or heck even makes Okosan look more sus, he'll just say it. It's better to get reads and reactions out there than it is to keep the thoughts to himself)

COO! (As scum Okosan is much more thoughtful about what he says and is extremely analytical about the whole situation in something like BTSC. Okosan will plan out days ahead for who needs to be pushed, what order, and think about how that makes him and others look. Honestly Okosan feels like he'll make more sense and be more consistent in general)

This bottom paragraph kinda describes the hunch that I have about you being bad. I can see that style being reflected in your play here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:24 pm Long Con: "Why?"

No one's said a thing about him all game.

Lynch Turnip Head

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:10 pm COO! COO! (Also as a side note Okosan knows you guys don't know him so you'd have no way to know, but it's funny you think this is how Okosan plays as mafia )

This is what I was saying to you and tedxtr earlier

What would be different if you were a bad bird?

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:00 pm COO! (Sloonei if you think Okosan is scum town is going to mislynch him at some point. If literally any of TH, sig, Sabie, Ted, or LC is town Okosan is getting lynched. Considering it's just about a mathematical probability that at least one is town this game is screwed)

You said that I should decide the lynch and I gave this warning.

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:58 pm Coooo! (Next time Okosan will remember it's apparently a scum thing to do when you try to help direct town to lynch for the same person in Lylo/Mylo)

Not my point. I can see the point that others have made that your sights are set on LC, and that’s not a good look in this setting.

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:56 pm Cooo! ('Kay)

[VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

[VOTE:

Don’t do that] aubergine

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:53 pm I’m kinda starting to feel it. In a game where everyone is shrugging and kicking dirt, the pigeon has an angle.
Coooo! (Starting to feel what exactly?)

u bad

I’m kinda starting to feel it. In a game where everyone is shrugging and kicking dirt, the pigeon has an angle.

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:36 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)

COOOO! (Honestly Sloonei should probably just be deciding who dies here. That way we know no scum are trying to manipulate anything)
Sloonei
I am unclear what you want from me. My guess is as good as any. I don't think I'm an authority here, I'm just a voice that you can trust to not be lying. I have little confidence that my guess would be correct.
Coo! (Okosan's saying you should probably be the person to say who gets lynched today because of the fact that we know you won't be lying about who you sus. It'll also give town direction when they're already spreading their votes all over the place which is actually how scum easily wins this game today)

And what if I want to lynch you?

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 pm Cooo! (Guys do not split the votes. This is essentially Lylo/Mylo of some sort so at the absolute most you can have 2 wagons. If you make more you're literally just letting scum control the vote. Literally the votes today are either LC or Okosan unless you think super strongly someone else is scum)

COOOO! (Honestly Sloonei should probably just be deciding who dies here. That way we know no scum are trying to manipulate anything)
Sloonei

I am unclear what you want from me. My guess is as good as any. I don't think I'm an authority here, I'm just a voice that you can trust to not be lying. I have little confidence that my guess would be correct.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:43 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:35 pm To me right now okason seems the most sketchy his most recent posts just seem like he's trying to manipulate things in certain directions but its not really making sense. I'm not sure I get his case on long con and his more recent posts don't feel genuine to me.
I've seen a couple people make the point that Okosan's posts look manipulative. But what is the goal of his manipulation? If he's steering the thread, what is he steering it towards?
My lynch.

Why is it manipulation and not your standard civilian pushing for a lynch?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:35 pm To me right now okason seems the most sketchy his most recent posts just seem like he's trying to manipulate things in certain directions but its not really making sense. I'm not sure I get his case on long con and his more recent posts don't feel genuine to me.

I've seen a couple people make the point that Okosan's posts look manipulative. But what is the goal of his manipulation? If he's steering the thread, what is he steering it towards?

@ everything

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:05 pm I reverse my opinion on Trustworthy Liberal. He bad.
Why?
Looks like a player looking for excuses to vote for people. I asked him to flesh out town reads and he dodged the question, then concocted a reason to put a vote on you.
Or like i said i am having an incredible finding scum in a conversion setting compared to a normal setting.
everyone has generally towny tones which makes this incredible hard to concentrate onto.

What's town about Long Con and Turnip Head?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:05 pm I reverse my opinion on Trustworthy Liberal. He bad.
Why?

Looks like a player looking for excuses to vote for people. I asked him to flesh out town reads and he dodged the question, then concocted a reason to put a vote on you.

I reverse my opinion on Trustworthy Liberal. He bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:01 pm DDL voted - for himself - but hasn't posted today. Dragon D. Luffy are you silenced?

uh

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:15 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:59 pm I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.
This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)
What are the best reasons to town read everybody remaining?
Only some have great but everyone has a towny start to the game in my eyes which makes it harder for me to correctly place when people changed sides since they are more of a neutral then a mafia.

Long Con is someone i would vote out based on today honestly but i keep second guessing my reads because of it being conversions. Arg my brain hurts.

Everyone in the game was town at the start. Who's declined since then? And who are the players with strong reasons attached to them?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:59 pm I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.
This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)

What are the best reasons to town read everybody remaining?

I think sabie and Trustworthy Liberal would be my two most trusted players though. After that I am at least a little bit skeptical of all y'all.

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:17 pm Nah, meant that individually

I suspect LC slightly more than TH, but at the same time I don’t remember anything TH has said this game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:10 pm Sloonei, what's your opinion on LC - TH ?

Like the two of them as a tandem?

As a rule I actively avoid trying to suss out partners before anyone has flipped scum. I think it leads to too many mistakes and confirmation biases. But neither of them needs to be town in this game right now. I an struggling to produce solid reads on most players because of the setup.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:04 am I am back to the initial PoE of Okosan / sig / sabie / sloonei

with sloonei being the flipped town. Seeing that I was right on 3 of my town reads, I thought that maybe I only hit the town out of that PoE, and we should've moved onwards with lynching there.

Sabie is a confident town read for me.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:03 am Whatever, I'll take that as a claim, now you can discuss about this. I think that there are 2 scum, and on even nights, junko's turn for attacking comes up. Scum can still multi-task, so I thought that when it is an even night, Junko hopped off me in order to roleblock the person that she'd decide to kill. Seems like a dumb theory because there are lots of variables like the bussing girl, but I can't explain why I got roleblocked only on odd nights.

It’s not uncommon to forbid double targeting here.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:01 am Also big thing being overlooked is since Monokuma recruits VIA role not player he could complety wif a convert by choseing a dead role.

I've been assuming there's a preventative measure against this, but I suppose it's possible.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:31 am I have a theory but I’m waiting for someone to claim rb’d.

We still didn’t learn who was rbed n2. Which is a clue.

How do you know for sure that you were roleblocked?

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:30 am Cooooo! (Okay Okosan is bad at counting or something because he just double checked and yeah wow there are 8 people. He checked it multiple times earlier and got 7 each time for some reason)

bird brain

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:13 am Cooooooo! (So there's a few scenarios here that might be true. Essentially though, either Junko is dead at the moment or town has senough vote power through either Leon or Byakuya that the game is still going. Okosan says this because if you read the wording in Monokuma's role and the rules later in the post there's no way that DDL can only recruit 2 people. It honestly has to be a minimum of 3. But if that was the case and we hadn't hit Junko then we would be sitting at 4(scum) vs. 3(town).)

COOO! (So again either we lynched Junko already and this is actually 4v3 in favor of town, Town has extra vote power, or some combination. In fact Byakuya if you are alive and stole from someone that person is probably scum)

I count 8 players who can vote. That would be 5 vs 3.

I agree that 3 seems like it should be the limit on available recruits. Which should mean that DDL has hit his ceiling.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:47 am Did anyone get roleblocked?

If the answer is no I'd bet that Rej was Junk-o.

Did anyone get roleblocked?

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