The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:04 pm I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Why is this your starting point?

Because I don’t yesterday’s B option to be forgotten. I did not love the way the Scotty wagon came together. I plan on looking into those votes specifically. But, prior to doing that, my instinct isnto leave a vote on the other player who was on the table yesterday.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:47 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:15 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:07 pm Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

No, I have zero read on Creature either way. I just find Sloonei's justification for voting there completely uninspired.

The vote I cast 1 hour into a 48 hour phase is not final.

I mean sure, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.

Indeed.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:15 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:07 pm Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

No, I have zero read on Creature either way. I just find Sloonei's justification for voting there completely uninspired.

The vote I cast 1 hour into a 48 hour phase is not final.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:04 pm I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

I am. I just haven’t started doing it yet.

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:56 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:52 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:48 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.

This feels... Hedgey.

This is Sloonei (looks deeply at both sides of the coin)

So in your experience, NAI for them to be this hedgey? And something done equally as wolf or village?

It's been a while since I've experienced wolf Sloonei (I think Philosopher II Mafia in December of 2021), but he has always been good at analyzing both sides of a point, and his recent meta suggests he has no trouble doing so as town, and a considerable trouble replicating it well as wolf.

I think the hedginess itself is not AI though, but I'm open to other arguments or more specific ones about his takes if they are made.

I would have no trouble at all faking that sort of post as mafia.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:49 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.

This feels... Hedgey.

No it doesn't.

I was re-affirming my vote on Scotty while acknowledging that I have some problems with the way the votes came together.

I started this wagon and take responsibility for my role.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:49 pm I agree with you about the LHF part.

Just trying to keep solving :/

If I die tn sheep my townleans not my scumreads o7

How are other people "low-hanging fruit" relative to Scotty when Scotty is the one leading the vote with 10 minutes to go?

Oh, maybe I'm misusing the term.

I see LHF as "somone who could be easily (subtext: wrongly) pushed for either low activity or not being online close to a deadline".

LHF behavior can be scummy, ofc.

Scotty is the clear wagon and I can't really find someone else who I feel good about flashwagoning :/ I am trying though! Nate was an option but I do really like his poe post.

GTH, I would maybe go for Mayo? [VOTE: Mayo] aubergine But I'll likely end on Scotty.

I was just being semantically pedantic. That's a fine definition. But, like, another way to look at "low-hanging fruit" is "a player who already has heavy momentum working against them."

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:50 pm I just got logged off for some reason.

omg okay I posted about this in the Syn discord it's happening to me daily and I swear it used to be good for a week or two

It's a known trend that the site tends to log people out on mobile for seemingly no reason. Some have also complained about it on desktop.

Unfortunately, we don't know why it happens, so we haven't been able to address it yet.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:49 pm I agree with you about the LHF part.

Just trying to keep solving :/

If I die tn sheep my townleans not my scumreads o7

How are other people "low-hanging fruit" relative to Scotty when Scotty is the one leading the vote with 10 minutes to go?

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.

This feels... Hedgey.

No it doesn't.

I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.

closed nights are hella chill

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:36 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:34 pm 24 hour closed nights are…. Unfortunate.

48/24 cycles aren't my fav but I can roll with it. The closed nights though. What about my words and random thoughts?? Am I supposed to just remember them?

note pads

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:55 am miranda has two votes from SDN members, 2 votes from Syndicate members. What can @santygrass and @SportPonies tell me about miranda and their experience with her?

I don't actually remember what I was referring to with that post Sloonei, but it was probably this one in particular.

That was really the only post that would have qualified. I was skeptical of of your read because I did not feel like I had earned it. But I've moved on to bigger and better suspicions since then. I also don't hate how you've responded to me right now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:49 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:16 am Sloonei is prodding in random places, which while I don't think is hard town meta for him to replicate, it does look like his town meta, so I would give him a townlean for now.

Where and when did you see me doing this?

Do you think you weren't/aren't doing this?

I'll answer yours if you answer mine.

Me answering yours would also answer my own.

I feel as though I had not really started to prod anything at the time that you made your original observation.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:49 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:16 am Sloonei is prodding in random places, which while I don't think is hard town meta for him to replicate, it does look like his town meta, so I would give him a townlean for now.

Where and when did you see me doing this?

Do you think you weren't/aren't doing this?

I'll answer yours if you answer mine.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:29 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:23 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:20 pm I'm confused by @Sloonei backtracking on Scotty now that the wagon is gaining steam

I am judging Scotty based on how he reacts to things. I do not think this should be confusing.

You pushed very hard for people to vote Scotty with you and now that people are voting Scotty with you you're like mhmmmm maybe not. It's a strange progression.

I suspected Scotty and still do, so I presented a case against him.

Scotty reacted to it, and I gave consideration to his reaction. It has given me reason to reconsider. It is not a strange progression. This is a strange push.

I'm pushing you? When I'm still voting with you on Scotty?
You made it sound like you don't want to elim Scotty anymore because of his response being disinterested. I questioned that given how enthusiastic you were posting banners saying let's talk about him. Yeah, it seemed weird.

My reads are always fluid.

To be clear, my vote is still on Scotty.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:23 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:20 pm I'm confused by @Sloonei backtracking on Scotty now that the wagon is gaining steam

I am judging Scotty based on how he reacts to things. I do not think this should be confusing.

You pushed very hard for people to vote Scotty with you and now that people are voting Scotty with you you're like mhmmmm maybe not. It's a strange progression.

I suspected Scotty and still do, so I presented a case against him.

Scotty reacted to it, and I gave consideration to his reaction. It has given me reason to reconsider. It is not a strange progression. This is a strange push.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:20 pm I'm confused by @Sloonei backtracking on Scotty now that the wagon is gaining steam

I am judging Scotty based on how he reacts to things. I do not think this should be confusing.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:05 pm Scotty's reaction to receiving votes was lacking in a way that gives me pause. It felt like a civilian who is not invested enough to fight back.

can you quote what you mean?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:32 pm Let's talk about Scotty.

Nice geocities banner

I feel like I’m a voyeur to my own eulogy and I’m here for it

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:10 pm Anyway, I’m behind and out of time. If you kill me today, no big deal. My role ain’t that cool

Scotty's reaction to receiving votes was lacking in a way that gives me pause. It felt like a civilian who is not invested enough to fight back.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:32 pm Let's talk about Scotty.

If you put in the energy to make a fancy flying banner, I imagine you've got something to say

Yes, I already said it but it went by without anyone noticing.

Scotty's reads list felt very uninspired to me, Pokemon name adaptions notwithstanding. His "suspects" were mostly just the people who have been the least involved, plus a couple token suspects that I would classify as "easy" (Dennis and pyxxy). When I called him out for it, he initially reacted defensively, but then turned a bit sheepish when I doubled down on the accusation. It was an uninspiring moment for Scottington.

As always, my stance on Day 1 low-poster eliminations is this:

It is fine to eliminate a low-poster if we are unable to settle on a clear suspect among the more active posters.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:20 pm Was it Sloonei that I gave that town point to? I can’t figure out how to find that post

I think you did that at some point, yeah. Why?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:20 pm @Sloonei How do you feel that pyxxy has you in a list of slankers that he can't sort?

Good. I've been a highly visible player in this game so far. I'm the kind of player who should be easy to fake a read on one way or the other. Pyxxy not having a clear read on me suggests genuine hesitation or uncertainty about me.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:12 pm Oh yeah, miranda

Why are we killing miranda

We're not, we're voting for Scotty.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:06 pm I have played several games with Creature over the years, but he has played more games without me in them than with me. With that said, I have a vague notion that volume can be a somewhat reliable tell when reading him.

Could you clarify what level of volume somewhat reliably indicates which alignment for him?

This is your generic volume read. High volume = Town Creature. Low volume = Not town Creature.

I do not want to claim that this is 100% accurate. But it's something that I've seen discussed, and I have definitely seen a more active and engaged Creature than the one we've got in this game.

I have played several games with Creature over the years, but he has played more games without me in them than with me. With that said, I have a vague notion that volume can be a somewhat reliable tell when reading him.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I have concerns about his reads list and the way he reacted to me when I called him out for it.

Sleep is one of the most important things we can do for both our short and long-term well-being, and I will not have Dennis' good name besmirched for fighting back against the public school system's heinous attack on adolescent sleep schedules.

Town read on pyxxy

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:19 pm Mostly this:

Pyxxytung - 42 posts
Pawmarmot - 28 posts, absent for 24+ hours
Bellosanty - 27 posts, absent for 24+ hours
Mirandreavus - 25 posts, labeled as "Low-hanging fruit" by SDN crowd
Dedennis - 62 posts, regular target of early suspicion in Sloonei's personal experience

And now you've added genny (6 posts) to this list.

Tell them to write more quality content

Can you provide (brief) reasons why you suspect them?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:09 pm I like Seanzie’s vibe.

I haven’t mentioned half of these nor expanded on the ones I have. But here’s where I’m at on D1:

Townvibes:
Mightyena
Seanzor
Nateran♂
Creature
Falcorphish
Seeloonei
SportPonyta


Badvibes:
Pyxxytung
Pawmarmot
Bellosanty
Mirandreavus
Dedennis

This kinda just looks like a participation level tier list.

Also I just looked it up because I thought it would be funny if that actually were the case..

These people range all over the place in post count. What are you talking about

Mostly this:

Pyxxytung - 42 posts
Pawmarmot - 28 posts, absent for 24+ hours
Bellosanty - 27 posts, absent for 24+ hours
Mirandreavus - 25 posts, labeled as "Low-hanging fruit" by SDN crowd
Dedennis - 62 posts, regular target of early suspicion in Sloonei's personal experience

And now you've added genny (6 posts) to this list.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:12 pm I almost townread genny for agreeing with the pyxxy take, but I thought about it and that’s a suspicion that can be easily cherry-picked and easily owned as a legit suspicion with minimal effort. I might even call it a lazy suspicion and add genny to my sus list

Counterpoint: genny called pyxxy out for this earlier in a way that looked organic.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:09 pm I like Seanzie’s vibe.

I haven’t mentioned half of these nor expanded on the ones I have. But here’s where I’m at on D1:

Townvibes:
Mightyena
Seanzor
Nateran♂
Creature
Falcorphish
Seeloonei
SportPonyta


Badvibes:
Pyxxytung
Pawmarmot
Bellosanty
Mirandreavus
Dedennis

This kinda just looks like a participation level tier list.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:31 pm @falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

I feel it has bogged down discussion on a single topic, and it's also flattering to see my name so many times

Are there any topics you want to bring more attention to in the thread?

What are you seeing in Marmot?

I had a question about one single post he made, but he has not returned to the thread since I asked him about it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:31 pm @falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

I feel it has bogged down discussion on a single topic, and it's also flattering to see my name so many times

Are there any topics you want to bring more attention to in the thread?

genny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:40 pm

genny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:33 pm

genny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:32 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Hello, why pxyxxy?

Biggest ping I have so far is from them.

Okay. What was it?

3p hunting instead of wolf hunting, when talking about Scotty.

How much of the thread have you read? I only ask because of your relatively low activity. I know people can read without posting.

genny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:33 pm

genny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:32 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Hello, why pxyxxy?

Biggest ping I have so far is from them.

Okay. What was it?

genny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:32 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Hello, why pxyxxy?

@falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:00 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

Zenge has hardcore wrongly tunneled me at least once before, so I'm not really interested in repeating the interactions I had with him there, especially since I like him irl.

It's emotionally taxing.

What makes you confident that experience will be repeated here?

Now that I have said all of that, our triumvirate is missing one of its pieces. Falcon has been absent for a lot of this. I tried to engage him earlier and he Simpson gif'd me. I understand there was talk of flu medicine. But he stuck around and made some on-topic comments during a time when there was a lot of fuss around his name. That he was a non-participant in all that commotion is something I want to note.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:44 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:41 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

I mean... Maybe. Idk. I'm currently torn on falcon. I think Sloonei really just doesn't want to talk to you tbh

That’s fair. But for the second I’ve started this Falcon push they came in to shut it down, claiming “That’s just Falcon” and have refused time and time again to not really answer any questions about my interaction with Falcon.

Like if you’re going to defend someone you think is village wouldn’t you actually take apart the merits of the case against them instead of giving fake politicians answers that never actually answer the question?

I said that that there was no value in continuing our dialogue, but I think this post highlights where the problem is occurring. I also don't want to come across as though I am avoiding talking to you or that I have found our interactions unpleasant. When I said that there was no value in continuing, I meant that at face value. I felt as though I had said all that I could, and that responding to further questioning would just send us circling even further around the same questions and answers, wasting time and posts and energy.

But I think I can take another crack at it that might help to resolve whatever issue. Because I think this post points to a potential blind spot in your reasoning, at least from my perspective. I'll break it down in two parts.

Part the first:

But from the second I’ve started this Falcon push they came in to shut it down

First, I did not arrive the second your Falcon push started. I came along later. You and falcon first started butting heads around midnight my time last night. I chimed in at 1 PM this afternoon my time. But that's pedantry which is not essential to my point. More importantly, I emphatically did not try to "shut it down." I have stressed on multiple occasions throughout our entire dialogue that you should feel free to continue pushing Falcon. Here are the receipts:
I even stressed very early on that my only intention was to provide you with more context about Falcon as mafia player:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:31 pm I am simply trying to provide context about how falcon usually engages with the thread early on in games.

Part the second:

Like if you’re going to defend someone you think is village wouldn’t you actually take apart the merits of the case against them

This is where the brunt of my frustration kicks in, and where I think you are getting lost. In the first part of this post, you accuse me of defending Falcon too much. In this second part, you accuse me of not defending Falcon enough. And the reason for that is what I have just endeavored to illustrate above: I am not trying to defend falcon at all. That was never my intention for a single second, and I have gone to considerable lengths to make that very clear. My continued engagement with this subject has been out of an interest in finding common ground with you. But, at every step, you have held onto the notion that I am making an effort to silence, dismiss, or obfuscate your read on Falcon. If anything, I have amplified it while also sticking myself in the middle of it.

If my intention was to defend Falcon, as you allege, then you are correct that I would "actually take apart the merits of the case against them." That would be the prudent thing to do. But this has never been of interest to me, because I am not here to defend Falcon.

I have responded to all of your questions accordingly. I have attempted to stress each time that I have little input with regards to the actual substance of your interactions with Falcon. It was a very typical Day 1 headbutt. You both nitpicked each other's words and made sweeping accusations based on snap judgments about each other's characters. Mafia 101. I have not engaged with it in more detail because I genuinely do not think there is much substance to the argument itself. But it has clearly generated a lot of substance, so it was a wonderful opening play.

also: I use male pronouns.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm This isn’t an answer. What specifically did I say that you felt was an example of my “Twisting his words”?

What is your read on me right now?

Not great. Especially since you refused to answer this question and just asked another question, which was about how I’m reading you.

Villager’s don’t generally care as much about how others are reading them and are usually more willing to answer extremely basic and simple questions.

The reason I ask is because I fail to see the benefit of continuing this dialogue unless you are actively suspicious of me.

I feel as though I have answered you in sufficient detail. I have gone into more detail than I thought necessary. I even addressed your most recent question in the post you were responding to: You painted Falcon as suspicious for not asking you why you disliked the Miranda wagon, when it was not unreasonable to assume that Falcon had assumed your objection was that the votes came too quickly.

You have asked me to respond to a bunch of things, but I am failing to see what value is being gained right now. It feels as though you are hounding me simply as a reflex. So how are you reading me, and why are my answers to your questions so important?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm i kind of think sloon is being lightly v

Why do your reads have so many adjectives?

lightly is an adverb. vote seanzie vote aubergine