The Syndicate

Random thought: the more I think about it, the more I feel falcon’s read in ilario is contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. That is Not Good.

I put my vote on Marmot a while ago because sig had all the votes and there was no productive reason for me to leave mine there. Marmot was next in line for some scrutiny.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:30 pm @Sloonei I still don't really get the big Marmot suspicion, or is it more just a why not kind of vote?

I have no active suspicions at the moment. My “suspects” are better defined as “not town-reads.”

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:28 pm I would probably not object to a cfd on any of the people in my PoE =)

This would be the true RYM revival.

I am still leaning toward a sig vote, but that’s not confident in the sense that I actively suspect him. He’s the player I town-read the least.

I have limited experience actually playing with falcon. I feel like I’ve hosted him more than I’ve played with him.

I have a vague concern about falcon that he has a town meta that is very easy to hide behind while also being under no pressure to handle his teammates in any particular way. By being the POE-contrarian, he can just skate by (as mafia) by contesting whatever reads the most vocal townies come up with regardless of their accuracy.

This is not a concrete case, just an observation about the way he has played this game and how it would be viable for a mafioso. In the absence of a town-read, I am willing to entertain the thought more seriously.

Dizzy quick, I need your thoughts on falcon!

I have not commented on G-man yet: he has done nothing, but I don’t hold that against him. He’s a Grown-Man with adult things to do. He’ll join us for this game when he’s good and ready. However, when POE is the objective, and other players are separating themselves as town reads, G is by necessity going to be left in the pool of suspects.

The same is true of Johanna, though I know less about her extended absence on Day 1.

What can other people tell me about Axehole’s playstyle?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:41 pm @Dolby at least consider how Sloonei's handling of me is not towny. Specifically his read of me being constant throughout and how he keeps feigning interest in me / my reads despite 1) holding a stangnant read and 2) his main goal must be for me to explain why he's scummy simply for the sake of refuting it or looking towny by comparison to someone who already indicated 0 interest on elaborating.

I am simply trying to engage you so that I might gain a better understanding of how you approach the game. You happen to hold a suspicion against me, so I am a topic of interest.

My read on you is currently stagnant because I have not received constructive responses from you.

I do not wish to engage in a discussion that begins from a posture of hostility, though.

Dizzy was already near maxed-out for allotted Day 1 towniness for me.

I agree that Ilario has looked solid. His way of feeling out Jay and I was a familiar pattern that I’ve seen from a lot of town players over the years.

I am hesitant to call Axehole a suspect. I think he is playing in a way that is intentionally abrasive and non-cooperative. The impulsive response to that is suspicion. I’d rather give it more time.

I might put falcon’s name on the list of Maybe Suspects if I had to choose someone.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:35 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:33 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:31 pm out of everyone else with a vote on them rn sig looks worst to me

I agree with JJJ that Lime Coke looks worst out of those in the beginning but I'm having a really hard time getting the motivation to read earlier posts in this thread. Just hit a wall

This is town meta, also why Lime Coke is town.

Elaborate or nah?

Lime Coke and Dolby are both town. Dolby is more towny than Lime Coke if re-evaluation is ever required.

Why?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:33 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:31 pm out of everyone else with a vote on them rn sig looks worst to me

I agree with JJJ that Lime Coke looks worst out of those in the beginning but I'm having a really hard time getting the motivation to read earlier posts in this thread. Just hit a wall

This is town meta, also why Lime Coke is town.

Elaborate or nah?

This page has been unproductive. I am partially at fault for that. Let’s turn it around.

We seem to be circling around Marmot and sig as our primary options for today, but neither has an overwhelming case against them. Dizzy has articulated some arguments against sig, but otherwise this has mostly been a Process of Elimination in action.

If you (everyone) had to pick one more name to add to the list of candidates today, who would it be?

Which player’s stock has improved the most over the last ~6 hours or so?

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:21 pm [VOTE: NotanAxehole] aubergine

Votes need to be in the poll to count.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:22 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:18 pm I #forfeit this discussion. Site meta and all.

I am simply trying to get a grasp on what your approach to this game is. It helps me a lot to understand what type of game this is to you. If it is your desire to leave this shrouded in mystery for the time being, so be it. I hope you can continue to work through the game and progress your own reads.

I yield! I yield!

I could see NAA being either alignment in this exchange. This may or may not be his intention.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:18 pm I #forfeit this discussion. Site meta and all.

I am simply trying to get a grasp on what your approach to this game is. It helps me a lot to understand what type of game this is to you. If it is your desire to leave this shrouded in mystery for the time being, so be it. I hope you can continue to work through the game and progress your own reads.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:16 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:15 pm I suppose if Sloonei could be with Sig if JJJ!town and correct.

In thread coaching.

Why is Sloonei aligned with the mafia team? You will have a tough time getting him chopped if you don’t articulate an argument.

I don't expect to get you chopped, I just want to be more right that the other townies.

How do you intend to contribute to the town’s success in this game?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:15 pm I suppose if Sloonei could be with Sig if JJJ!town and correct.

In thread coaching.

Why is Sloonei aligned with the mafia team? You will have a tough time getting him chopped if you don’t articulate an argument.

This is not helpful.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:08 pm Sig and Marmot both town.

I have a PR read on Marmott

Would you care to elaborate on either of these?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:58 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:56 pm Actually, that post I quoted from sloonei might be the most ridiculous thing I've seen all game.

"Don't do this thing that is part of your town meta and which townies generally do on this site, if you so that I'll have to scum read you, and vote you out"

How do you play the game?

Covfefe

Alright.

Care to talk about your reads, what they are, and why they exist?

I want to kill the scumlord that is explaining why he's voting Sig while voting Marmott.

my vote is on marmot. I am trying to engage sig in a more constructive conversation about the game because I also suspect him. These are not mutually exclusive reads.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:58 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:56 pm Actually, that post I quoted from sloonei might be the most ridiculous thing I've seen all game.

"Don't do this thing that is part of your town meta and which townies generally do on this site, if you so that I'll have to scum read you, and vote you out"

How do you play the game?

Covfefe

Alright.

Care to talk about your reads, what they are, and why they exist?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:56 pm Actually, that post I quoted from sloonei might be the most ridiculous thing I've seen all game.

"Don't do this thing that is part of your town meta and which townies generally do on this site, if you so that I'll have to scum read you, and vote you out"

How do you play the game?

@sig my reason for wanting to vote you is simply an absence of posts that scream “town” at me. This point is amplified because so many other people have looked fairly town. So rolling over is the least helpful strategy for you to employ if your mission is to seay me and only me.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:39 pm Honestly, Dolby seems to have "sharper edges" than the one game I just played with him, and he was mafia. Lol onegamemeta lol

What does this mean?

You’re a dry iguana.

Fish are supposed to be wet.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:33 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:21 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:20 pmMarmot not sus and I didn't care about much in his iso

Lolk. Could I interest you in a delicious choice of Sig, or are you eyeing anyone else? I see that you don't have a vote down. I'm not very interested in the Marmot wagon myself, and don't particularly understand it.

Yeah, but I want to see if something else has a scummier taste first

Let's wagon Johanna. It could be fun.

[VOTE: Johanna] aubergine

how about no?

Why not?

Sig has not done anything that makes me believe that he is town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:04 pm Actually, this is probably the single post I like the least this game @Sloonei

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:19 pmThe fact that I'm getting "Well LC is making only consensus reads!"

Meanwhile Axehole just made 3 consensus reads, and just jumps on my wagon with a hidden vote.

Sig is even worse because he did next to nothing.

Like those 2 are way worse.

Don't go after the guy actively solving the fucking game. Come on now.

I thought that post was a lot of Frustrated Civilian energy. But I can see the opposite being true.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:58 pm Has anyone here played with Johanna before?

I feel like this is her first game? At least on the Syndicate.

What is the most outwardly suspicious thing a person has done in this game so far?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:14 pm @sig if i’m reading your recent posts correctly, your current list of suspects looks like this:
JaggedJimmyJay

Am I mistaken?

He's got a raised eyebrow, but I'd probably not go for axing him today.

Okay. You have not named anyone else you are suspicious of. So where we go from here?

@sig if i’m reading your recent posts correctly, your current list of suspects looks like this:
JaggedJimmyJay

Am I mistaken?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:55 am Going to do my repeat, just because Sloonie/Jay townread each other doesn't mean they're locked town.

From there, I've caught up in theory, mainly skims and still haven't read the first 8 pages.

SPF case on me doesn't seem mafia aligned, but it's not good. It's like the equivalent of someone "scum slipping" when it wasn't a slip, but like worse. Especially if trying to think I'm mafia. HOWEVER, I don't see mafia making that sort of case, though its the type of thing they'd jump on.

Dizzy seems townie from tone and how they approached spf case on me, but that's like a light town read.

Anarchy has apparently claimed so they're a civ, but just totally 100% wrong.

Marmot common mislynch don't see the reasoning for them.

Jay: I'm not a fan of him asking about how many mafia are among the 0 posters. Unless the logic is I think everyone who's posting is a civ hence mafia in 0 poster literally no reason to assume one way or another it's NAI.

Lime Coke, NotAnAxehole, dolby, falcon.

Interesting that sig believes anarch’s claim without a second thought.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:45 am Also Marmot is one of the other most mislynched players early on so I'm going to go ahead and call both these wagons as bad town/town.

Point us in a better direction.

I would vote for sig before marmot if the day was ending right now.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:30 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:28 am At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.

I think marmot is kinda towny tbh

What town things has he done?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:31 amand I

Redundant phrase was deleted from the original post.

At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:17 am JJJ sloonei is where I'm at.

What does this mean?

*nearly a decade, not over a decade. I don’t know our mafiaversary.

I assumed we all knew I was town-reading Jay. I’m not trying to conceal that anymore. But I prefer to avoid making explicit reads on him until most of the rest of the players have had a chance to do so, because there is a tendency for people to give too much weight to my Jayread, thus preventing them from doing their own work to read them. Jay and I have been playing mafia together for over a decade and have very similar philosophies about the game, hence the “same person” jokes. As such, we can read one another better than most. Since he is a player that tends to be at the center of chatter, I usually want people to develop their own reads on him for the sake of thread health. So I usually wait to express my own read on him, because a lot of folks tend to just adopt the “whatever slopnei says” approach to reading Jay.

It was supposed to be implied in my initial post about this that I am town-reading him here. The context of that post was a response to dolby’s “triad” talk, and my intention was to emphasize that there is likely a very good reason why dolby perceived a greater-than-usual amount of trust between us. It’s because there is.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:14 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:09 am I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

Suspect me, I dare you.

Why should I?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:24 am Why are you voting for me Sloon?

Same question to you @staypositivefriend?

Poll diversity. You have not earned a town read yet, but you have not been a big topic of discussion either.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:53 am I have deliberately avoid sharing an explicit read on Jay this game, as has become my habit lately, because so often people will just wait for me to give my thoughts on him and then sheep whatever I say, and I don't like what that does to the thread climate if it happens too early. We have played a bazillion mafia games together and are actually the same person.

I say this not to protest Dolby's suggestion that The Triad is too confident in each other, rather to emphasize that that perceived confidence is not without reason. There's a long history here, at least between Jay and I.

I have only known SPF since last year's champs tournament, but we were in multiple games together and discovered that we also tend to perceive the game along similar lines there. So there is again a strong degree of familiarity with her approach, in that it is noticeable and significant when our thoughts align early on.

So you are confident in JJJ, but not offering a read on him? I'm gathering also that there is a triad of you/JJJ/SPF that have become an unstoppable cohesive unit?

Dolby referred to the three of us as the “triad”, and that is what I am responding to here.

I don’t like to share my read on Jay too early in games because I feel like people give it too much weight when I do. I want the game to progress more naturally, both for him and everyone else.

There has been no need for me to announce a town read on him in this game anyway.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:14 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:09 am I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.