The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:58 pm slots that are potentially more readable/not always dying baring a claim

Do these slots have names?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:41 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Before I type out a bunch of words about it, can someone with nanook experience tell me about his meta re: jokey one-liners? Does he do this as town?
Nanook's a player I've struggled to read historically because he looks very similar as either alignment.
bigger fish to fry

We can start preparing for future fish fries today.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Before I type out a bunch of words about it, can someone with nanook experience tell me about his meta re: jokey one-liners? Does he do this as town?

Nanook's a player I've struggled to read historically because he looks very similar as either alignment.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:52 pm @falcon45ca my name is no longer on the banner.
wait where did it go?

It was stolen. We have to catch the culprit(s). There's a pool of about 15 suspects, and we've gotta deduce who it is through some sort of rigorous social exercise. I'm fresh out of ideas though.

I can try to find some posts that looked like the familiar nanook i've been partnered with a hundred times recently.

@falcon45ca my name is no longer on the banner.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:25 pm What have we all been up to?
Slight slowdown, most likely due to the other game starting.
Actually it was because Papa Sloonei wasn't here to nurture you all to be big and strong and catch all the bad guys. I'm here now, my children. Let us solve.
Why shouldn't this Nanook vote take off, Papa Sloonei?

Because Ted is every bit as good an option. I've left my vote on nanook for the sake of emphasis. We could certainly stand to discuss him more. Care to discuss him more?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:47 pm Players I feel best about in the Trustfall/Distrustfall exercise: Hally, Alison, SPF, Falcon
Players I feel pretty good about, but not quite as good as above: Bo, Strawhenge
Players I felt better about than I expected to: Michelle, Esooa, KZA
Players I was ambivalent about/could go either way: fingersplints, Long Con, TSP, Oddmerta, JPIC

That leaves me with the following players in a group that I felt more strongly about in the distrustfall than the trustfall exercise:
al_sama, dom, nanook, ted

That is four names, and four is almost certainly not enough to net us all of the mafia members left in the game.
I did not include a tier for "players I felt worse about than I expected." If I had done that, Odd and fingersplints would have been the names on the list. I do not wish to give the impression that either of them are outright suspects right now, but if anyone took a hit in this exercise, it was the two of them.

I have no read on JPIC except that he's not aligned with Marmot. I do not have time to sort him out this instant.
Reading this post and Dom's Iso i don't understand how everyone let him be no matter alignament.
And I don't understand how come this idea that no one is pushing him generated in a town read for Dom, i know i read this but idk who posted it

Also I don't understand why is everyone so reluctant in voting Nanook

I said something along those lines about Dom in my trustfall, but that should in no way be intepreted as "generating a town read for Dom." It was the opposite: the best town argument I could come up with for Dom was goofy and weak.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:25 pm What have we all been up to?
Slight slowdown, most likely due to the other game starting.

Actually it was because Papa Sloonei wasn't here to nurture you all to be big and strong and catch all the bad guys. I'm here now, my children. Let us solve.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:41 pm i don’t think everyone should just be claiming willy nilly. we still don’t know if there’s an anti-claim mechanic in play

This is 6 hours old, but just to tack on: we don't need to be claiming right now anyway. This game is going exceedingly well so far. Keep your claims in your pockets until it's beneficial to whip them out.

What have we all been up to?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:30 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:25 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:17 pm JPIC, did you copy and paste my list? Cuz im not on it.
Yes. It was a convenient way of getting all of the players names.

Addendum:

Sloonei - Started the trustfall/distrustfall exercise. Is in the same tier as SPF in not engaging the thread when it started to derail.
Eh?
It felt like there were moments in the thread where it started to derail and you two were ones that were not guilty of that if that makes sense.
Like, when it happened you tried to bring it back on track

I see. I interpreted it the other way: the thread started to derail and we stood idly by. It was confusing that that would make it into a trustfall.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:30 pm i’m too lazy to do a trust/distrustfall but if i did do one it would look like sloonei’s and probably spf when she does one

I can vouch for this as a meta read.

Esooa is Steve Buscemi.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:25 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:24 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:23 pm I just realized I can't vote
this is a democracy though

you're voting TSP right now
it doesn't count

my vote doesn't matter

the elections are rigged

Stopthesteal?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:17 pm JPIC, did you copy and paste my list? Cuz im not on it.
Yes. It was a convenient way of getting all of the players names.

Addendum:

Sloonei - Started the trustfall/distrustfall exercise. Is in the same tier as SPF in not engaging the thread when it started to derail.

Eh?

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:19 pm do nothing get town read you love you see it

why do you think I would kza?

Cause you’re ambitious and exciting than that.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:15 pm idk if anyone has debated this but just a thought I had

Esooa is probably town because I think she would come up with a more fun wolf strategy than saying multiball sucks and coasting off early cred lol

Good point. And also when I read “she would come up with a more fun wolf strategy than” I thought the rest of that sentence was gonna say “... making up a vague role claim and then coasting.” So there’s two points in her favor.

JPIC, did you copy and paste my list? Cuz im not on it.

How is the proverbial "towncore" looking for everyone else right now? Who's in it? Who's out? Who's knocking on the door? Who would you like to invite in that hasn't been allowed in yet?

My vote is currently hanging out on nanook. If the deadline was now and I was tasked with breaking the tie, I'd vote for ted.

Update: I don't have to wash dishes tonight after all. Life is good. I'll be home from work earlier and more energized!

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:45 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:11 am Hally I will not read that, i have a life
lmfao

As the author of the post in question, this was my reaction too.

Players I feel best about in the Trustfall/Distrustfall exercise: Hally, Alison, SPF, Falcon
Players I feel pretty good about, but not quite as good as above: Bo, Strawhenge
Players I felt better about than I expected to: Michelle, Esooa, KZA
Players I was ambivalent about/could go either way: fingersplints, Long Con, TSP, Oddmerta, JPIC

That leaves me with the following players in a group that I felt more strongly about in the distrustfall than the trustfall exercise:
al_sama, dom, nanook, ted

That is four names, and four is almost certainly not enough to net us all of the mafia members left in the game.
I did not include a tier for "players I felt worse about than I expected." If I had done that, Odd and fingersplints would have been the names on the list. I do not wish to give the impression that either of them are outright suspects right now, but if anyone took a hit in this exercise, it was the two of them.

I have no read on JPIC except that he's not aligned with Marmot. I do not have time to sort him out this instant.

Distrustfall:

Spoiler: show

Trustfall:

Spoiler: show

We might be nearing a point where a collective trustfall/distrustfall exercise could be useful for everyone.

The first ~20 hours of this phase have been fairly productive, but I think we're starting to lose steam on the current topics and it's devolving into a little bit more bickering than I'd like to see. So that provides us with a good opportunity to regroup and reassess where we are all at before launching into the second half of Day 2.

For those that aren't familiar with trustfalls, the premise is this: Present a (brief) argument for why every player in the game is town. A distrustfall is the opposite: present a brief argument why every player in the game is mafia.
Then at the end of the exercise, go back over your list(s) and see which name stood out to you as difficult or easy to come up with arguments for one way or the other.

I am not demanding that anyone do this, I just feel like we've reached a point where this sort of assessment can be valuable.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm yeah, marmot's role does not look like one that his team would have wanted to prioritize saving/not bussing.
doesn’t? or does? i was saying they would want to save it

I mixed up my phrasing. Started to say "Does not look like one they would have wanted to lose", but then changed the trajectory of the sentence toward the end.

Marmot's role is one that his team probably wanted to keep alive.

yeah, marmot's role does not look like one that his team would have wanted to prioritize saving/not bussing.

I was unable to draw anything conclusive from Marmot's handling of al_sama and vice versa. Marmot left him alone until right before the deadline when they became competing wagons. That could easily be indicative of a partnership. Or it might not be. It's all WIFOM at that point.

Rearranged my rainbow based on Marmot interactions. This is still not a reflection of my reads on the game as a whole, just on things as they relate to Marmot. Tiers loosely ranked.

SPF
Alison
Hally
TSP
BoKnows
JPIC
KZA
Oddmerta
Falcon
Strawhenge
Michelle
Esooa
fingersplints
Dom
Long Con
AL_sama
nanook
Tedxtr

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:23 pm I think the way KZA went about dropping his trooper claim yesterday looked authentic.
he can be a trooper and not be a villager

I know. When I say “looked authentic” I mean “looked like how I’d expect a civilian to handle that claim in that situation.”

I think the way KZA went about dropping his trooper claim yesterday looked authentic.

exsassperated

whoa, i hadn't even seen this facepalm emoji yet. that's gonna become a staple when i'm feeling sassy and exasperated.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:03 pm What's the consensus POE? I've listed mine several times as it updates, what's your list of 9?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:25 pm My updated list of 9 POE

Al Sam, nanook, LC, ted, Michelle, TSP, Dom, finger, JPIC

I think this is generally where the rest of the thread is at. KZA/Odd might be mixed into a few lists as well, but I don't think anyone's comfortably removing any of these people from any lists. So "your" POE and the consensus are the same. Fingersplints was not sheeping you.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:02 pm i’m honor bound to not suspect lc because he promised me a video of him singing

This is what high level mafia player looks like, btw.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:57 pm Cuz I don't like getting sheeped when I'm widely town read, I feel it's an easy way for a wolf to try to hide in my blindspot.

How does your POE differ from the consensus POE?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:21 pm Feels like finger just straight up pulled players from my POE
What does this mean and how does it make you feel about fingersplints?
It means that those players are all in my POE, all 5 of them she mentioned re in my list of 9.

Makes me feel bad about finger Dr. Sloonei

Why?

also btw my name is on the banner.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:48 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 pm ted reminds me of one of the goofiest sequences i've seen in a long time:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.
I am not rearranging these posts. These are two things that Marmot said, in this order, four minutes apart from each other. Post #1 asserts a firm town read on LC. Post #2 states directly that is intending to ISO LC. Usually we ISO players because we are lacking clear or cohesive reads on them. But Marmot had just told us he had a clear or cohesive read on LC four minutes earlier.

What do people make of this? Is the awkwardness just a result of Marmot's alignment? Or does it suggest anything special about LC?
I read that exchange as Marmot justifying why he ISO'd LC
Had he ISO'd LC? I read it as "Last night I intended to ISO LC, but never got around to it."
My interpretation was "I am not voting LC" because he wanted to "ISO a few people and LC was one of them". I.E, he ISO'd LC and then made post number 1 as a result of ISOing.

I see no evidence that Marmot had ISO'd LC, and "I wanted to" implies lack of fulfillment, as opposed to simply saying "I ISO'd LC and this was my read."

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 pm ted reminds me of one of the goofiest sequences i've seen in a long time:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.
I am not rearranging these posts. These are two things that Marmot said, in this order, four minutes apart from each other. Post #1 asserts a firm town read on LC. Post #2 states directly that is intending to ISO LC. Usually we ISO players because we are lacking clear or cohesive reads on them. But Marmot had just told us he had a clear or cohesive read on LC four minutes earlier.

What do people make of this? Is the awkwardness just a result of Marmot's alignment? Or does it suggest anything special about LC?
I read that exchange as Marmot justifying why he ISO'd LC

Had he ISO'd LC? I read it as "Last night I intended to ISO LC, but never got around to it."

ted reminds me of one of the goofiest sequences i've seen in a long time:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

I am not rearranging these posts. These are two things that Marmot said, in this order, four minutes apart from each other. Post #1 asserts a firm town read on LC. Post #2 states directly that is intending to ISO LC. Usually we ISO players because we are lacking clear or cohesive reads on them. But Marmot had just told us he had a clear or cohesive read on LC four minutes earlier.

What do people make of this? Is the awkwardness just a result of Marmot's alignment? Or does it suggest anything special about LC?

Strawhenge is town. Michelle is TBD.

I kinda forgot al_sama was playing in this game.

I am a swiss army employee at the restaurant i work at. In late February I was asked to fill in on dish for "a couple weeks" because one of the dishwashers was going away on vacation. "A couple weeks" turned into a month and a half. Today was supposed to be the day I finally went back to my normal job. But apparently Mr Vacation came back and requested a big raise, and was shown the door. So that means tonight I am continuing to wash dishes.

This is my way of announcing to the thread that I'm going to be busy this evening, and then tired and burnt out when I get back later in the night.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:21 pm Feels like finger just straight up pulled players from my POE

What does this mean and how does it make you feel about fingersplints?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:16 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:13 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:01 pm ted can I be blunt with you?

Unless you reveal as innocent child or something similar there is very little that you can do at this point to convince the town that their suspicion of you is wrong. You've been doing this self defense stuff since Night 1 and nobody has been swayed. If you are town, the best way to play to your win condition is to just hunt like a normal person, and leave a strong legacy for town to sheep. People in the POE always have better reads because they have a free cop check on themselves. So if you are town use that to your advantage and give us strong reads to fall back on after you die rather than struggling against an outcome that won't change.
exactly, i know i'm gonna die here for bad reasons

my reads won't really matter in the bigger scheme of things
Your reads only wouldn’t matter after your death if you are revealed to be bad as Alison just explained why you should still post for legacy
nah they won't, i've played enough games

nobody cares about a PoE'd person's reads on D2. there's gonna be new info and generally people play good here, they'll stick to their reads

If you engage with folks in good faith now, there is a good chance you can influence their reads or the way that they are looking at certain players.

This is multiball, so even somebody who is unwilling to consider a world where you are not mafia should be willing to hear what you have to say about suspects from The Other Team.

Let us all honor ted's wishes by looking at other people.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:03 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:59 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:58 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:55 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:17 am i don’t understand why tony’s wagon is that much bigger than ted’s. i think ted is a better lunch personally
i loved the part where you gave a reason
i did

when are you gonna try to find wolves or solve the game? i wanna mark it on my calendar so i don’t miss it
i probably won't, it's annoying when all heat is on me

acting like that's an indicator for wolfiness or villageriness in multiball - if i were a wolf i would've done what you all want me to do since ages ago...since it's multiball
If you're villager the game doesn't end when you die. It's your responsibility as a villa to produce good reads to help the town win after you're gone. Being scumread is annoying. We've all been there. You acknowledge that there is a risk you will be the top suspect at one point or another when you sign up for a game of mafia. Suck it up and play the game. Otherwise you're letting your personal emotions get in the way of your win con.
Look Jay I followed your legacy. Are you proud of me?

Yes, although "suck it up and play the game" is harsher language than I, JaggedJimmyJay, would use.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:50 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:48 pm After the Champs games I sweared to not put so much effort in games, Sloonei, so i explained it in several games after. I was MLed often for it.
Ted, Hally, Alison, know about this i guess because I talked here few times about it
GoC was exception btw and for nothing, btw
I should stick with low posting
Okay, but you have spent more than enough time in this thread to have looked over the conversation I had with ted last night. It was not extremely long. It would only take a few minutes to look at, and hearing your input on it would be helpful, especially given your strong town read on Ted right now.
I thought ted's explanation sounded reasonable. He didn't want to get into it with Alison about opposing views on Marmot because she is notoriously stubborn.
As I said to ted last night, my objection is that I do not believe him. I don't think that explanation is particularly reasonable anyway ("I didn't talk to Alison about the read I asked her for because she's stubborn" is silly and, in my experience, not how mafia works. Among other objections), but I also do not believe that it is an accurate representation of what he was doing and thinking at the time.

It became a bit of a running joke last night, but I am completely serious about the "Got it" accusation. Ted produced a town read on Marmot. He then asked Alison to explain her case against Marmot. When Alison did that, Ted replied by simply saying "Got it" and then shifting the discussion to KZA. Ted later said that "Got it" was supposed to be interpreted as him disagreeing with Alison's case.

I am old and not hip with all the lingo that gets thrown around these days, but I've never seen anyone use the affirmative "got it" to mean "I disagree with you."
I see the acknowledging curtness of "Got it" as conveying "Thanks for your time; I'm not interested in engaging with any of that."

Which I could see a Marmot teammate doing. Would the mindset be that he thought Alison might say something negative about Marmot that he could easily counter, but ted pulled the chute when he thought it wouldn't go well?

And I don't read "Thanks for your time; I'm not interested in engaging with any of that" to be a believable reaction from a civilian who has just ISO'd a player to the tune of a town read and then specifically requested another player present their case against said town read. So in either case, I think Ted looks like he is full of baloney.

I do not know what ted's mindset would be, but the complete lack of follow through on his part makes me believe that he was not actually interested in either the work he'd just done to produce a town read on Marmot, engaging in a discussion about the reads/votes on Marmot, or both.

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