The Syndicate

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:07 pm I haven’t read most of the game today and have been denied a sub.

I’ll attempt to catch up this afternoon since I’m post call today.

What’s the Tl;dr of the game state currently?

Marmot, Creature, and Falcon are all suspects independently but non-exclusively.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:29 pm I think if any of the three are town it's probably Marmot, and they're in the unfortunate position of getting lumped in with the wrong crowd.

I think I feel the opposite. Marmot might be my strongest suspect independent of all others. But I have not looked too deeply into Creature, and I admittedly have only looked at a handful of Marmot posts in formulating my suspicion.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:18 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:16 pm @Sloonei Gth, what is your read on falcon?
Mafia
Hmm

Do you therefore think Zenges tunnel on Falcons is justified after all?

Because it’s looking like you’re disagreeing with Zenges tunnel on Falcons early posts but found Falcons’s later behavior to be problematic independent of the Zenges tunnel, and i’m trying to see if i understood correctly

I never thought Zenge should stop pushing Falcon. All I ever tried to say on Day 1 was that the things Zenge objected to are not out of the ordinary for Falcon. This does not mean those things need to mean that Falcon is town. Just that I would not suspect him on the basis of those things.

After looking at Falcon's posts in more depth, I think there are reasons to be concerned about him. This still does not mean I have him as lock mafia. But I have questions and would like answers.

But I do not like to make pre-flip associative reads. Saying "Falcon is suspicious because of how he treated Marmot" prior to flipping Marmot is a dangerous game.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:18 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:16 pm @Sloonei Gth, what is your read on falcon?
Mafia
Do you think he could be paired with marmot and/or Creature?

Yes. Specifically, I felt like his few interactions with the Marmot suspicion yesterday looked like a wolf who was pretending to entertain a case against a teammate.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:18 pm Now i am even more confused by your reaction to zenges push on falcons

Why? My commentary in that ISO mirrors what I said at the time. Everything else is new analysis of Falcon's posts that did not exist while I was talking to Zenge yesterday.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:16 pm @Sloonei Gth, what is your read on falcon?

Mafia

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:50 pm Actually I think this continues to be an example of Sloonei being super scummy in this.

Claiming that I’m Blinding attacking ANYONE who doesn’t agree with my Falcon read is a gross misrepresentation of the facts and reality.

Let me rephrase: You are responding to commentary around your Falcon read more defensively than is necessary. I do not believe there has been resistance to your push. I feel more like you have resisted people who talk to you about it (i.e. myself and santy.)

Commencing Operation Appease Zenge. Here is a Falcon ISO.

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Falcon is a pot stirrer. He says provocative things to put direct pressure on people. Here we see him getting a head start by doing that to Dennis.

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Here he does the same thing, targeting Wilgy.

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After wilgy responds jokingly to Falcon's initial pressure, Falcon comments on Zenge commenting on the Miranda wagon. This is actually a more reasonable post than the previous two, and is not purely provocative.

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This one is more provocative. This is the same thing Falcon did to Dennis and Wilgy earlier. He is casting a wide net, if nothing else.

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This one is followed up by a vote. Noted.

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The first escalation of The Conflict. This is not out of bounds for Falcon's shtick. He is squeezing Zenge to see what comes out. Maybe a bit more tightly than Dennis or Wilgy before. But that is likely more to do with the way Zenge reacted than him being singled out or anything.

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Another provocative statement, this time directed toward Santy.

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Some more back-and-forth with Santy. Falcon's tone is notably less antagonistic than with Zenge. But I can easily attribute that to Falcon matching the energy of those around him. He is still putting pressure on Santy here, his tone is just more reserved. I would also describe Santy's tone as more reserved than Zenge's.

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Falcon and Zenge continue to butt heads. I do not agree with Zenge's interpretation of Falcon's actions. It is very reasonable for Falcon to assume that Zenge's initial objection to the Miranda wagon was the timing of it. In fact, I struggle to identify a different interpretation.

But Falcon's response is similarly nitpicky. "Is it strange or is it scummy?" is a reach. But that's still within Falcon's shtick here. This does not need to mean that Falcon is town. It just means that I am reading his words here as being intentionally provocative so as to get a strong reaction out of Zenge. Boy did he succeed at that.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:37 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:36 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:49 pm We got more.

Genny:
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genny wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:04 am
miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:58 am
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:30 am

See, this site needs reacts because this post deserves it's moment in the sun
Agreed, I miss react buttons *sad face*
Don’t you just love it when guests come over and complain about your decor?

I’m excited about all the options for ISOs that I will never do!
Caustic approach. Slightly pessimistic but thoughtful.
You are a crow, and definitely good.
potentialsheltervet:
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potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:53 pm Playing on a forum that doesn't censor profanity feels illegal. And empowering.
Is enriched and strengthened by profanity.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:03 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:25 pm
So I’m picking you out of the community to ask:

-how are you?
-do you actually handle dogs?
-what’s your least favorite dog?
-if the answer is Scotty, don’t
-I have a mean bark and a terribly ineffective bite
-What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Very tired, actually going to sleep maybe
Yes, the SAR is for search and rescue though I've been out of it a few years now
Probably huskies tbh but I think that's my vet showing
It's ok, Scotties be cool
African or European?
Smh everyone hates on huskies. Embracing the drama is way more fun.
Tut tuts those that don’t like drama.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:10 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:35 pm What is the worst animal?
Geese. They’re mean and poop everywhere.
Shut the fuck up
Inimical. Has a prickly defense.

You’re a North American porcupine, and you are probably good.
SportPonies:
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SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 3:10 pm Note that I left out those that haven’t posted or if I missed their posts.

But I’ve solved a good majority of the game.

Everyone that’s good can get in my arc and we shall reside in love and peace and harmony
what am I? Get to work.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:35 pm *playbows*

You’re a hippogriff, and you already have the most posts even though you hadn’t posted until 4 hours ago. So you’re probably just bad and mega posting because you’re trying to overcompensate for the fact that you’re not even real.

Sorry.
Creature:
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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:58 pm Boy I am angry and exhausted
You sound like my father-in-law.

You are probably my father-in-law. He’s firmly 3P and keeps trying to offer me unprompted financial advice. As I’ve said before, Greg, we’re doing fine and my portfolio IS already diversified with foreign investments.

I’m sorry about your rand, Creature.

Also, I read all of this and understood nothing.

Is this a very crafty and unnecesarly complex way of posting fluff?
It's a reads list.

How seriously do you feel Scotty's reads actually are in these lists tho?

Kinda feels...I dunno, splish-splashy.

All filler, no killer if ya know what I mean

I do not like this post, especially in light of Scotty's flip. This is not antagonistic or provocative Falcon. This is just Falcon shading a player and undermining SVS' town read on Scotty.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:26 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:40 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:14 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 am Actually this is sort of hypocritical on review. Falcon votes me immediately after this. They’re tasking issue with my saying I’m uncomfortable with how fast the three votes seemed to pile onto Miranda, and not asking each of the voters for the reasons for their votes.

But then never asks me why I don’t like the wagon.

What’s worse here is I just noted that it was odd how many votes came on Miranda in rapid succession. But I didn’t use that as an opportunity to wolf read anyone or try to vote them out. Falcon here though did the exact same thing he accused me of doing and used it as an excuse to try and get me misyeeted.

That’s foundationally unsound.

You already said why you did not like the wagon, remember?

Now you're saying you found the speed of the wagon odd, before you clearly said you did not like it. So, is it strange, or is it scummy? There's a big difference.

You're also toning down the phrasing each time...first you say you don't like it, then uncomfortable, then odd. You keep scaling back how you feel about the wagon.

I see you still haven't followed up w/ any of the wagon voters. Duly noted.
First of all, no, I haven’t said why. I’ve said things about I don’t like but I haven’t stated my primary gripe with it.

Secondly, as part of my issue with the wagon, I originally said I felt like it was happening very quickly. Claiming I only just now have taken issue with the speed is a blatant lie and mischaracterization of reality.

Lastly I don’t need to follow up with the voters at this time. I don’t believe going to each one individually and asking them “why are you voting Miranda?” Like Oliver Twist asking for soup, will yield any relevant information from their catered and crafted answers. That’s not how I solve.

It’s furthermore counterintuitive for you to make such a big todo about how “WhY aReN’T yOu aSkiNg fOr tHeiR rEaSonS?!?!” When you yourself seem wholly uninterested in the reasons yourself.

I have a reason for not asking. But you, who based on your push of me it seems puts an ENORMOUS amount of value on asking people why they’re voting for someone is entirely uninterested in actually figuring out why people are voting for who they are. This is counterintuitive in a way that seems fairly scummy.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I take this as an accusation that Zenge is suspicious for objecting too much to Falcon's initial pokes. I can see why Falcon might feel that way. Zenge is moving the goal posts a bit here. As I've said, it's not unreasonable for Falcon to have assumed that the entirety of Zenge's initial objection was the speed of the Miranda wagon. Zenge is only now (as far as their exchange goes) introducing new wrinkles to it. I do not think that needs to reflect poorly on Zenge. But I do think it undermines his argument against Falcon.

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We are now going in circles. Day 1 noise.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:25 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:34 am @Zenge did you have an opinion about Miranda specifically, or Moreno the speed of the votes piling on her?
This issue I have with the Miranda wagon is that Miranda is by far the newest player on SDN in this game. Technically sure players like Dr.Wilgy have played fewer games on SDN but they have a lot more experience with forum mafia in general. Miranda on the other hand, I could count the number of games she’s played on one hand probably, maybe an extra finger? Thats games she’s played EVER.

I think it’s reasonable to assume there’s a mix of Syndicate and SDN players in the wolf pack. I think it’s reasonable to assume that one of the first conversations that would have taken place would be to formulate a list of players that would be the easiest to misyeet. From the SDN side, Miranda would have been the TOP of that list.

So when I see the first real cycle open, and within a half hour of a 48 hour cycle, there are already 3 votes on the player who I suspect would have been talked about in wolf chat as the best place to deliver a misyeet, it raises my suspicions and feels rather concerning.

I don’t have a read on Miranda. I honestly don’t believe anyone in this game could have a legitimate read on Miranda at this juncture.

Given that, I find it unlikely that by coincidence within the first half hour of a 48 hour cycle, that three villagers independently claim to have a wolf read on someone who just so happens to be the one player I think would be the most likely choice for wolves to try and misyeet.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:35 am So, what is your gripe?

For the record, when someone says "I don't like this cuz of X", I will always assume that X is their primary reason.

When you say "I don't like this wagon, cuz it's happening too quickly" I assume you don't like the wagon, cuz it's happening too quickly.

When I asked you why you haven't followed up w/ any of the wagon voters, and get a whole lotta deflection w/ no real answers, well that doesn't really seem like you care to solve the wagon at all.

The irony of being told by a player who doesn't question players on a wagon he doesn't like that I'm not solving...
I gave my response to why I don’t like the Miranda wagon to Marmot.

And I already told you previously that going to each of the Miranda voters and asking them “Why are you voting for Miranda” isn’t something I believe would yield fruit. It’s not how I solve the game. I was more interested it watching them to see how they behaved further. Asking them directly puts a spotlight on them and leads to them likely obfuscating their behavior. You’ve ruined that now.

Your entire argument against me here, is that “I’m not asking players on a wagon I don’t like about their votes.” Despite my telling you my reason for not asking, twice now.

So essentially your reason for wolf reading me and voting for me is that I’m not playing the game within the very ridged confines of how you think I should play the game. I’m not solving the way you think I should solve. Which is a terrible reason to wolf read someone. Everyone has different ways of solving and playing the game.

Lastly I didn’t appreciate your “doth protest too much comment”. It was unnecessarily antagonistic, and certainly not what I would expect from a legitimate villager looking to gather information and solve the game.

This is not a towny mindset

I do not understand this objection to Zenge's posts.

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Oh. I see. When it's phrased that way, I get it. I don't agree with that interpretation of Zenge's posts though.

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Falcon announces his intention to move on from the Zenge argument. I am unclear on exactly how he feels about Zenge at this point.

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Falcon then directs a couple posts at/about Dennis and Mayo. Following through on his intention to move on.

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I understand Falcon's perspective here. Zenge frames his actions in a very favorable light/ Falcon does not. I don't think either of them are reading each other properly here. Falcon's objection is that Zenge didn't follow through on his objection to the Miranda wagon quickly enough. I don't care about that. But I get why it's a thing that Day 1 Falcon seized upon. Zenge's objection stems from his own perspective about his actions, and does not seem to take into account what Falcon is actually objecting to.

But now I'm running into a problem as I delve further into Falcon's ISO. Once we get beyond these early Day 1 spats, things drop off significantly. His feistiness gives way to generic prods and questions, and some surface level reads. To what extent flu medication is responsible for that is TBD.

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This prod of PSV has a little more life to it. But it's still not much.

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It appears that Falcon came out of his scrape with Zenge with a town read. But I do have a concern here. Why did it take Falcon so long to announce that he had dropped his suspicion on Zenge? This post only came when he was directly pressed by Zenge to name a suspect. He also votes for Nate. I was initially uncertain about that, but Falcon's very next post has the answer:

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This is fair.

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This is getting a bit more feisty. I like that at face value. But I'm not exactly following Falcon's point here.

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I guess I kind of follow Falcon's reasoning here. PSV is using Neon's perspective to inform their own read on Falcon, but PSV is claiming to not have a town read on Neon. I don't think that necessarily needs to be a bad look for PSV. But I can see why Falcon would object.

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idk what specifically falcon and fry object to in this Creature post.

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Falcon seeks a direct answer to his PSV question. Cool.

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Falcon does not seem interested in talking about the people who are talking about him. I don't love that.

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I don't love this either. These are not names that Falcon has talked about much. He has pushed other things that are not receiving much attention in the thread at this point. He voted for Nate because of his handling of Dennis, for instance. He has been trying to raise a point about PSV's Neon read (though maybe he feels that one has received enough attention). "santy and Kate aren't here" isn't as substantive a take as I was hoping for when I prodded falcon here.

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Delayed follow up to ask me about Marmot. I don't remember Falcon responding to me when I answered him.

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Oh he did respond. I guess I just didn't see it. But it's a nothing response where he downplays my vote and doesn't offer anything of his own.

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Falcon condones Creature suspicion. He has already voted for Creature, so this isn't news. But he supports the meta read I presented.

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Falcon also asks Dennis about his Falcon suspicion. Falcon then prods Marmot and votes him. I'm not a big fan of the way this question is framed. It is deliberately playful and soft.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:32 pm Let's talk about Scotty.

If you put in the energy to make a fancy flying banner, I imagine you've got something to say
Yes, I already said it but it went by without anyone noticing.

Scotty's reads list felt very uninspired to me, Pokemon name adaptions notwithstanding. His "suspects" were mostly just the people who have been the least involved, plus a couple token suspects that I would classify as "easy" (Dennis and pyxxy). When I called him out for it, he initially reacted defensively, but then turned a bit sheepish when I doubled down on the accusation. It was an uninspiring moment for Scottington.

Hmmmm...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:19 pm Mostly this:

Pyxxytung - 42 posts
Pawmarmot - 28 posts, absent for 24+ hours
Bellosanty - 27 posts, absent for 24+ hours
Mirandreavus - 25 posts, labeled as "Low-hanging fruit" by SDN crowd
Dedennis - 62 posts, regular target of early suspicion in Sloonei's personal experience

And now you've added genny (6 posts) to this list.

Tell them to write more quality content
Can you provide (brief) reasons why you suspect them?
You’re gonna get some Lev 1 reasons bc D1 but sure

Townvibes:
Mightyena - well reasoned content
Seanzor - V I B E S
Nateran♂ - appreciated his take on the bizzarity of Zenge’s role fishing comment on D0
Creature - you know, he’s so despondent and uncaring it comes off as too wolf to be wolf
Falcorphish - I…don’t remember. I’m gonna remove him from here because I should remember
Seeloonei - you’re asking the right questions and getting the ball rolling. Don’t ask me what ‘the right questions are’. That’s the wrong question. Don’t push it.
SportPonyta - they made a comment about being death tunneled unfairly, and it gave me towny vibes.

Badvibes:
Pyxxytung - hedging for the sake of hedging in calling me not wolf but not town
Pawmarmot - not engaged. Marmot should be more engaged.
Bellosanty - for the memes but also content doesn’t thrill me
Mirandreavus - easy town read of me
Dedennis - defending pyxxy

This is odd, as I am quite famous this game & I find it incredulous that you'd just "forget" something related to reading my slot

Falcon sees my Scotty suspicion and piles on. I do not love it in light of Scotty's flip. But I don't think this is an unfair objection for Falcon to raise in the moment.

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In spite of those Scotty objections, Falcon pivots back to Creature. Okay.

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Then why aren't you voting for Scotty, Falcon?

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This brings us to the end of Day 1, so I'm gonna hit submit here.

The tl;dr of all this is that I do not object to any of Falcon's early plays, but found that he dropped off as the phase went on. Not just in volume, but in conviction and direction. Early on he was making things happen. Later in the day, it felt like he was trying to grasp at things around him. I am not in love with the way he handled the Scotty and Creatre wagons. Falcon ended up on Creature, but spent multiple posts trying to talk me out of my doubts about my own Scotty case. @falcon45ca why that?

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:32 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:30 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:28 pm I feel like there’s a lot of resistance to zenges push on falcons

Santy at least is approaching from a pretty strongly village trajectory by highlighting the need to reassess in the event Zenges is wrong and looking for other wolves that don’t depend primarily on falcons being a wolf
There is a lot of resistance, yes. It’s been an uphill battle.
Consider your own role in that.
Watch your tone, Sloonei, you look pretty bad in a Wolf!Falcon world.

Consider your attempt to shut down the Flacon push early and then all the backtracking, hedging, and distancing you’ve done since to claim that this wasn’t what you were doing.

Your refusal to answer the point by point questions I laid out for you hasn’t been forgotten.

My point exactly.

You have been so blindly tunneled on Falcon that you are attacking anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you.

I am not participating in this discussion again.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:30 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:28 pm I feel like there’s a lot of resistance to zenges push on falcons

Santy at least is approaching from a pretty strongly village trajectory by highlighting the need to reassess in the event Zenges is wrong and looking for other wolves that don’t depend primarily on falcons being a wolf
There is a lot of resistance, yes. It’s been an uphill battle.

Consider your own role in that.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:19 pm This is my wolf read. I’m certain of it

I think this is the problem santy is having right now, Zenge. Wolf read. Singular. Like me before, Santy is not telling you to discard your Falcon read. Santy is asking for you to talk about other things. You have repeated to both of us that you are reading everything else in the thread. Please tell us all what you think about those Other Things.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:49 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:40 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:41 am Did tutuu sub in? I went to go add them to my village lean pile but don't have them on my sheet. Who do I need to take off?
Wilgy.

SVS and DrTutuu are not partnered.
is that it? only not partnered? u cant find me as town yet? despite never seeing my scum game and not having the fear?

sorry if this is a bit egotistical but could u explain why?

im asking u specifically because i think syndicators who have a decent experience with me and never seen me wolf should find me as obv town insta

mac has the paranoia of my scumgame but even despite that he instantly found me here
This wasn’t meant to suggest that you are not town. Just that, in a world where one of you is mafia, the other is not.

You are both town.
alright cool, you probably misspelled and meant to type SAR not SVS in that context then

i thought that u meant SVS SVS not SAR SVS and that read was independent of ur reply to SAR so thats why i found it odd (not that ur scumreading me, but that ur not townreading me)

(but yes everything is clear now)

Oh. Yes, I thought that was a SVS post.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:40 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:41 am Did tutuu sub in? I went to go add them to my village lean pile but don't have them on my sheet. Who do I need to take off?
Wilgy.

SVS and DrTutuu are not partnered.
is that it? only not partnered? u cant find me as town yet? despite never seeing my scum game and not having the fear?

sorry if this is a bit egotistical but could u explain why?

im asking u specifically because i think syndicators who have a decent experience with me and never seen me wolf should find me as obv town insta

mac has the paranoia of my scumgame but even despite that he instantly found me here

This wasn’t meant to suggest that you are not town. Just that, in a world where one of you is mafia, the other is not.

You are both town.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:41 am Did tutuu sub in? I went to go add them to my village lean pile but don't have them on my sheet. Who do I need to take off?

Wilgy.

SVS and DrTutuu are not partnered.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:59 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:52 am creature *should* be a polarized player that hates wolfing, is not as good at wolfing as towning, hyper posts as town and likes to get depressed and post that town depression itt, and go under the radar as mafia (these arent my takes, im echoing what i know is the consensus on how to read him)

it lines up with his ISO + it lines up with my thought that the wolfteam here has people from different communities who dont know each other, making it awkward / out of comfort zone to wolf together with so many unfamiliar faces

so players who hate wolfing already will probably be extremely demotivated to wolf in this game

so my townread on neon increases, SVS can enter light green due to this as i believe she hates wolfing as told by Kate in goc

Fully agree with this.

I am voting Marmot cuz I saw the paired reads with Creature and sheeping. Also wagons.

But I think Creature is most likely a hit.

Light town read on this post.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

Falcon is not lock town or anything.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:13 am
I think Falcons’s responses to Zenges push on him is what’s driving the engine for the Zenges tunnel on Falcons and why he kept railing against you for apparently defending Falcons

I was not trying to rehash old business. I just wanted to get a read on you. I was concerned that your suspicion against me was inauthentic. I do not currently feel that is the case.

So I'll just continue to stress that I was never attempting to defend Falcon. The narrative that I was only exists because Zenge mistook my initial comment as an attempt to deflect attention away from Falcon.

If, at any point in this game, my goal has been to divert attention away from Falcon, I have done a terrible job. If you search the word "Falcon" in my post history, you will find over 130 results. Falcon can be a suspect. Falcon falcon falcon. That is all.

I believe that Lawpy believes in what he is saying.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:00 am Could you please clarify what you’re referring to as Day 1 noise here?

I'm specifically referring to the initial disagreement between Falcon and Zenge. By "Day 1 noise" I meant something similar to what other people mean when they say "random voting stage". That is, I thought Falcon was just doing his typical game-opening play which would happen regardless of alignment. Zenge's reaction to it looked like a player who'd never seen Falcon before. That was why I chimed in to begin with, and I spent much of the rest of Day 1 trying to reiterate that point.

Falcon has been underwhelming since those opening moments.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:57 am Give me attention

I need it

I desire it

Bask in my townyness

Arent i the greatest town player alive? So easy for me to obv town

My reads are so good too... Deadly accurate with no effort

U guys should all praise me

I deserve to be called the greatest alive, and obvtown

Holy crap is that tutuu? Here, in my mafia game? Can I have your autograph?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:54 am @Lawpy @Sloonei

I would prefer to see how both of you respond to other things in this thread.

I can't believe you've done this.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:52 am [
Slooneis i’m referring to this exchange

I remember it vividly. When did I try to push attention away from Falcon?

I have probably typed the word "falcon" more than any other in this game.

Specifically the "nudge attention away from falcon" part.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:48 am I mentioned about this earlier:

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:47 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:29 am
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:52 pm Slooneis looks to be playing a sort of a diplomatic role here which i’m thinking. I know wolf!Jays did the same which admittedly blindsided me so i’m a little wary when i see diplomatic stances/posting styles. It’s looking like a subtle nudge towards (or away) from his players of interest
What you're seeing there is just similar playstyles. There has been a running meme on the Syndicate for years that Jay and I are the same person. I alluded to it in my very first post of this game. That "diplomatic role" that's giving you pause is just a facet of how I (and Jay) play the game. It is not alignment-indicative.
It’s the trajectory that makes me wary, it looks like you’re trying to diplomatically resolve the zenges vs falcons battle by trying to nudge attention away from falcons. Wolf!Jays pulled off this similarly by nudging me diplomatically towards villagers in a recent game we played.

When did I do any of this?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:41 am
Could you show me where he twisted people’s words? There have been reports in past games of Zenges being stretchy but i’m not sure that’s what you’re referring to here.

Most of the dialogue with me. Here and here are a couple posts where I directly called him out for it.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:35 am And yeah, that’s why i’m also suspecting slooneis and mayos. Mayos in particular looks like an engaged bystander in all of this but his defense of Slooneis is bothersome.

How would you describe my role in all this?

*who’s, i’m so sorry

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:19 amlawpy town

Whose left standing without a town read?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:13 am Noob question: how are you guys posting/seeing ISOs?

I’m not seeing them on my phone so i’m at a loss here

If you’re on mobile, you have to access then from the player list in the first post.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:47 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:29 am
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:52 pm Slooneis looks to be playing a sort of a diplomatic role here which i’m thinking. I know wolf!Jays did the same which admittedly blindsided me so i’m a little wary when i see diplomatic stances/posting styles. It’s looking like a subtle nudge towards (or away) from his players of interest
What you're seeing there is just similar playstyles. There has been a running meme on the Syndicate for years that Jay and I are the same person. I alluded to it in my very first post of this game. That "diplomatic role" that's giving you pause is just a facet of how I (and Jay) play the game. It is not alignment-indicative.
It’s the trajectory that makes me wary, it looks like you’re trying to diplomatically resolve the zenges vs falcons battle by trying to nudge attention away from falcons. Wolf!Jays pulled off this similarly by nudging me diplomatically towards villagers in a recent game we played.

I continue to encourage everybody in this game, Zenge included, to talk about Falcon to their heart’s content.

Why do you suspect falcon?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:52 pm Slooneis looks to be playing a sort of a diplomatic role here which i’m thinking. I know wolf!Jays did the same which admittedly blindsided me so i’m a little wary when i see diplomatic stances/posting styles. It’s looking like a subtle nudge towards (or away) from his players of interest

What you're seeing there is just similar playstyles. There has been a running meme on the Syndicate for years that Jay and I are the same person. I alluded to it in my very first post of this game. That "diplomatic role" that's giving you pause is just a facet of how I (and Jay) play the game. It is not alignment-indicative.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:20 pm Hey everyone, I’m Lawpy and i’m currently in the midst of catching up

Also Neons did i play with you before elsewhere? I don’t know if you’re the same Neons i played with when i subbed into Fext’s game

Hello and welcome, Lawpy. While you catch up, would you mind telling the class a little about yourself?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:12 pm Why tf did I have such little to say about those two pages

@Kate I blame you

Wanna take a look at the Scotty votes and tell me what you see?

I am digging Mac's energy so far.

I have voted Marmot both days for two separate reasons.

Day was this post:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:16 am Sloonei is prodding in random places, which while I don't think is hard town meta for him to replicate, it does look like his town meta, so I would give him a townlean for now.

At the time, I had made exactly one post that could reasonably be classified as "prodding" in a game-relevant sense. I did not feel like I had earned this read from Marmot.

I am currently voting Marmot again because of their handling of the Scotty/Creature wagons on Day 1. I did not feel like Marmot's posts looked like a person/rodent who was earnestly trying to find a suspect. Instead, it looked like somebody who just wanted to have a justification for placing a vote.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:53 pm SARdog, mighty, and Mayo are the three SDNers I feel I have the least grasp on relative to their contributions. I know that they've all been here, but I don't have a clear handle on what any of them have done. mighty's posting curse is not helping this matter today, unfortunately.
I don't think Mightyrunner was towny at all on day 1 and am curious why Nega Lumi is townreading them.

What do you think of Marmot and Seanzie?

Marmot is a suspect. My vote is on them and I encourage people to investigate the rodent.

I got a mild town ping early on Day 1 from Seanzie, but I have had no strong impressions from him since then.

SARdog, mighty, and Mayo are the three SDNers I feel I have the least grasp on relative to their contributions. I know that they've all been here, but I don't have a clear handle on what any of them have done. mighty's posting curse is not helping this matter today, unfortunately.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:07 pm I'm struggling to find confident town honestly. Can ppl talk to me about their townreads? I need to find some.

Zenge and I had a big long dialogue yesterday centering around falcon that left me feeling like Zenge is town.

I remember feeling like another SDN player did something that gave me strong town vibes, but I forget who it was.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:27 pm Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

This is worth talking about. If we had to guess, who do we think was the most likely target of the mafia team kill?

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:58 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:59 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:22 pm @miranda920 If you had to vote for somebody this instant, who would it be and why?
Hmmm, see I don’t feel like I have enough to really put down a vote I’m confident in

If I’m on the spot, I’d say Santy is suspiciously absent and that warrants some investigating
Do I feel confident in that? No, but that’s where I’m at
Why is santy’s absence suspicious? You and others have commented that they would usually be highly involved regardless of alignment.
Exactly, it’s weird that he’s absent
It’s completely out of character
Is it alignment-indicative for santy to be absent?
Not at all. Santy loves wolfing. He lives for it. Pregnant Woman Emoji is his Mona Lisa.

So if anything him being absent leans village. But it’s 100% NAI.

This is what I was getting at.

But I'm not sure I suspect Miranda for using this point to justify a vote. Seems more like a new player thing than a wolf thing.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:59 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:22 pm @miranda920 If you had to vote for somebody this instant, who would it be and why?
Hmmm, see I don’t feel like I have enough to really put down a vote I’m confident in

If I’m on the spot, I’d say Santy is suspiciously absent and that warrants some investigating
Do I feel confident in that? No, but that’s where I’m at
Why is santy’s absence suspicious? You and others have commented that they would usually be highly involved regardless of alignment.
Exactly, it’s weird that he’s absent
It’s completely out of character

Is it alignment-indicative for santy to be absent?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:01 pm I can read some of Marmot's posts from End of Day 1 as a mafia member looking for a place to park their vote, rather than a town player making an earnest effort to solve. Here are a couple about Scotty in particular that stood out:

Spoiler: show
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:44 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:42 pm marmot, you know scotty better than i do, would you read his iso and give me thoughts?
My initial thought from seeing his post count is "wow, only 56 posts".
Looking through Scotty's ISO.

I don't think his posts are bad, like they do look like posts that townies make, but I am having hard time seeing a scumhunting mindset behind them.

Also

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:44 pm Let it also be known that I’d *prefer* a syndiCat player to go first.

I was thinking about this, and as a game structural standpoint, I believe there to be an even number of players in each community on the mafia team. So I feel fine about one of my community going first
I don't think the logic here adds up. If the mafia team is evenly split (which I doubt it is guaranteed to be), there wouldn't be a reason for him to push his own community, as the odds are equivalent.

Although, if he knows that he's town, he would then think there is a slightly higher chance of chopping a wolf among the rest of the Syndicaters based on this logic.

Hmmm...

This could be mildly TMIing himself town, but it also gives me pause that he didn't include that in his argument, so that may not have even been part of it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.

The first one feels more convoluted than it needs to be, as though Marmot's seeking out his own justification to place a vote on a wagon that's already taking off. The second is full of language that suggests Marmot has no faith in the Scotty wagon, but is resigned to joining it anyway. I also feel like his justification for choosing Scotty over Creature is weak.

What would you expect town marmot to do?

It's not about expectations of what you'd do. It's about the tone of these posts. They do not look honest.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:22 pm @miranda920 If you had to vote for somebody this instant, who would it be and why?
Hmmm, see I don’t feel like I have enough to really put down a vote I’m confident in

If I’m on the spot, I’d say Santy is suspiciously absent and that warrants some investigating
Do I feel confident in that? No, but that’s where I’m at

Why is santy’s absence suspicious? You and others have commented that they would usually be highly involved regardless of alignment.

@miranda920 If you had to vote for somebody this instant, who would it be and why?

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine again

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:02 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:57 pm Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.
Are posting curses a thing on SDN, or is this something totally new to y'all?
We have post restrictions. Typically they don't completely obfuscate what the poster is trying to say. For instance, I had one where I had to post only in blue text. I gave AM one where she had to post like Lawpy. Mayo gave me one where I had to post like a Civil War soldier writing home. You can still sorta get your point across. But with this I haven't the slightest clue what mighty is trying to say.

I've been able to discern some meaning or apparent attention from their posts. But it seems the Syndicate has more familiarity with heavier restrictions on these sorts of things. We've had post curses/restrictions that force people to post exclusively in images and stuff like that.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:57 pm Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.

Are posting curses a thing on SDN, or is this something totally new to y'all?

I can read some of Marmot's posts from End of Day 1 as a mafia member looking for a place to park their vote, rather than a town player making an earnest effort to solve. Here are a couple about Scotty in particular that stood out:

Spoiler: show

The first one feels more convoluted than it needs to be, as though Marmot's seeking out his own justification to place a vote on a wagon that's already taking off. The second is full of language that suggests Marmot has no faith in the Scotty wagon, but is resigned to joining it anyway. I also feel like his justification for choosing Scotty over Creature is weak.

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