The Syndicate

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?

Great thanks.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...

Elaborate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:59 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:50 am Are marmots usually this nervous?

Are you gonna do the thing where you convince yourself I'm scum and never rescind?

Also, why do you think the exercise you mentioned would be useful and who do you think will be revealed?
I am not.

Why would it not be useful to talk about a claimed watcher with a successful target on the poison victim? Your resistance to this topic makes me think you know whose name we will see, but want to stay as far away from it as possible.

I think G-man would make the most sense to carry out the kill if he is bad.

And you want to yeet Johanna today? Or would your rather go for G-Man?

I want us all to continue discussing all names.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:50 am Are marmots usually this nervous?

Are you gonna do the thing where you convince yourself I'm scum and never rescind?

Also, why do you think the exercise you mentioned would be useful and who do you think will be revealed?

I am not.

Why would it not be useful to talk about a claimed watcher with a successful target on the poison victim? Your resistance to this topic makes me think you know whose name we will see, but want to stay as far away from it as possible.

I think G-man would make the most sense to carry out the kill if he is bad.

Are marmots usually this nervous?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:39 am There's four mafia. One of them carries the factional poison. Sure one or two of them might decide that SPF is the best kill candidate, but they still have to determine who would carry out the kill, which is something that we would have trouble thinking about considering we uh... don't know who the mafia are.

Interesting.

If TSP is telling the truth, we are guaranteed to have a confirmed mafia on Day 2. I think that's worth talking about.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:35 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:31 am Thoughts on what name(s) might turn up in TSP's report?

I don't think this would be a useful exercise, do you?
I do.
y

The speculation could be juicy.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:31 am Thoughts on what name(s) might turn up in TSP's report?

I don't think this would be a useful exercise, do you?

I do.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:33 am I feel better about Sloonei today. Since I missed the end of Day 1, I read back the final hours after they happened, and there was a point where Sloonei asserted that the competing wagons were myself/sig. I don't recall nor feel like I was ever a potential yeet candidate Day 1. Correct me if I'm wrong. But considering sig's flip, I was worried that he was attempting to force the EOD into a particular state with t/t wagons.

But I do find myself nodding my head to the things I've seen from him so far today.

Maybe it was projection. You were the names I was circling, and you did have a couple votes for most of the day.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:13 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:09 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:03 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:55 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.
Do you have any more thoughts? On this claim or anything else?
It is a PR claim that's pretty powerful.

It'll self resolve.

Who claimed wut?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 pm Anyways I have a watch on spf so if any fruit vendors wanna come clean now you won’t get in trouble

Alright fine, TSP's off the naughty list.

Thoughts on what name(s) might turn up in TSP's report?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:03 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:55 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.
Do you have any more thoughts? On this claim or anything else?
It is a PR claim that's pretty powerful.

It'll self resolve.

Who claimed wut?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 pm Anyways I have a watch on spf so if any fruit vendors wanna come clean now you won’t get in trouble

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.

Do you have any more thoughts? On this claim or anything else?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:23 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am JK

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'll be back tomorrow hopefully with better focus.
Are you cc-ing?
Wait did he claim?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 pm Anyways I have a watch on spf so if any fruit vendors wanna come clean now you won’t get in trouble

fixed

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:23 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am JK

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'll be back tomorrow hopefully with better focus.
Are you cc-ing?
Wait did he claim?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 pm Anyways I have a watch on spf so if any fruit vendors wanna come clean now you won’t get in trouble
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:52 am General question:

Is G-Man confirmed mafia?

I have difficulty forming a view of this game which features 4 whole mafia members from the list of players not called "G-Man".

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:52 am Are we tinfoiling Sloondog and/or Jimmay yet or no?

sporadically. thoughts?

back-to-back homers, maybe nook and i can stop wallowing in misery.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:44 am So all I have to do for people to be here with me is get up before 7am. Now I see how it is

Frankly I don't understand why I seem to be the only one here who is watching baseball until 1 AM right now. maybe nanook is with me. but if he is, he is wallowing in misery and doesn't have a mafia game to distract him like i do.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:38 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:32 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 am Someone with an animal in their name is mafia.
I'm confident Falcon is town
Can you help me get to this point?
Mainly based on mechanical shenanigans and tone

I probably can't help you other than by demonstrating that my picks are 4 for 4, but that will take 4 days.
Are these mechanical shenanigans something you are comfortable elaborating on?
Things that people disproportionately do as mafia that have nothing to do with content. That is as much elaborating as I can give.

Is the word "mafia" in this sentence supposed to be "town"?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:32 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 am Someone with an animal in their name is mafia.
I'm confident Falcon is town
Can you help me get to this point?
Mainly based on mechanical shenanigans and tone

I probably can't help you other than by demonstrating that my picks are 4 for 4, but that will take 4 days.

Are these mechanical shenanigans something you are comfortable elaborating on?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 am Someone with an animal in their name is mafia.
I'm confident Falcon is town

Can you help me get to this point?

Someone with an animal in their name is mafia.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:19 am Well, I'd say that Lime Coke's got himself riled up in a way I don't see from wolves too often in addition to the thread reads I've stated. I guess another good point, if I had to sheep Jimmy here, is that a lot of Lime Coke's reads if he's mafia are incredibly boxin' unless his teammates are deep, so although I don't think that's a concrete reason to town read someone as inexperienced wolves often box themselves, it's still somethin' I mostly agree with would be a small point in Lime Coke's favor. As for you, the biggest reasons I can think t'town read you is that I town read Jimmy and he town reads you pretty strongly, and you've had a few strong thoughts I think would be a bit difficult for a wolf to fake, such as making it a point several times that you are attemptin' to make more covert reads/plays.

For Lime Coke, I just still feel like the dude is underwhelmin' in his reads and it feels like coastin'. His opening read like nervous energy to me and he seems to be trying hard to appeal to specific people. For you, it's mostly your handlin' of Jimmy's slot I find a bit weird. I know you explained earlier, but not wantin' to out a town read on him when he was gettin' a bit of heat even though it was obvious was a bit concernin' to me and felt weirdly coy. I also feel like you've played around this triad thing kind of like how I would as wolf, but I get that that's not exactly a fair read.

For each of us (myself & Lime Coke) which argument feels stronger: the town argument or the mafia argument?

No urgency, answer after you've got some sleep in your system.

I think TSP is town based on his handling of sig.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 am I guess my problem is that a lot of your solvin' is poking and prodding and I don't feel like I've seen any real results from that yet.

I get this from everyone the first time we play together.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read Lime Coke and myself?
What's the best reason you can think of to suspect us? (if you have more to add beyond what you just said)

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:57 pm If someone could ask me a few questions or somethin' to help me get on some sorta track that'd be swell

There are twelve people remaining in the game that you need to sort. Who are the 2-3 you currently have the least confident reads on? Besides G-man.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

If I were a betting man, I'd say all of the mafia are in: TSP, Ilario, G-man, Johanna, LimeCoke
I will be a little surprised if this list does not include multiple mafia members. I would also be surprised if it contains all four of them.
I would be surprised if the list contains fewer than 3 mafia.
Which three are you most confident about?
Ilario and Johanna.

Want to complete the triad?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

If I were a betting man, I'd say all of the mafia are in: TSP, Ilario, G-man, Johanna, LimeCoke
I will be a little surprised if this list does not include multiple mafia members. I would also be surprised if it contains all four of them.
I would be surprised if the list contains fewer than 3 mafia.

Which three are you most confident about?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

If I were a betting man, I'd say all of the mafia are in: TSP, Ilario, G-man, Johanna, LimeCoke

I will be a little surprised if this list does not include multiple mafia members. I would also be surprised if it contains all four of them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 pm JJJ by comparison I do not find towny at all.
I find he's pulling a lot of threads in a game solvey attempt, but almost everything is hedged and doesn't actually take a stance.

A lot of "here's my reads, but if I'm wrong it's probably here" kinda stuff

You just described Jay's town process pretty succinctly, but you prefaced it by saying it is "not towny at all."

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:09 pm my capacity will unfortunately be fairly limited today. the best time for me to read/post thoughts will likely be tomorrow evening. if there are any specific opinions/takes that you'd like to hear from me before my tragic death, feel free to @ me and i'll make it a priority

Johanna read plz

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:06 pm Yourself and NAA are my town core atm. There's 2 others on the periphery, tho I'd rather not say who right now.

How on god's green earth did the two of us, and only the two of us, earn this position?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:46 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:05 am Thorough read of what I missed.

I like both Marmot and Dolby.

They can be number 7 and 8 in my townreads.

I'm satisfied with my list.
Why do you read them town?
I really wish I could remember but I actually don't. It was probably tone read at the most.

I do not read this forgetfulness as suspicious. Sometimes that happens. However, I do wish there was a more concrete explanation for these reads. That would be extremely helpful.

If I have a criticism to make against Lime Coke's posts on Day 1, it's that I do not see him working very hard to find suspects. He has plenty to say, but he seems to be offering mostly favorable or inconclusive stances on folks without a ton of skepticism.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:57 pm I don't know if you're doing these in any order Sloonei, but a fresh review of Lime Coke would be helpful to me. My views are rather reliant upon gradual progressions of reading his posts live, and that can create biases that snowball. If you're doing other stuff, do your thing obviously.

I was not planning on offering comments on everybody just yet. I read or scanned all the ISOs to give myself a better understanding of what everyone has done to this point. I have nothing pressing to say about Lime Coke just yet, but he is somebody I would like to engage with some more this phase.

I can give him another look to see if I have any particular questions or comments.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 pm Marmot's silence is deafening
Has anyone here earned a prestigious Falcon Town Read yet?
What makes you think they're prestigious?

My reads are shit until they're awesome.

Also, yes.

This sentence:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:51 pm Cuz TR's should be earned, not thrown about like candy at a kid's birthday party.

Also, who?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 pm Marmot's silence is deafening

Has anyone here earned a prestigious Falcon Town Read yet?

I have been reviewing ISOs mostly in silence.

Dolby is an interesting case. I think my review of his posts made me feel slightly better about him, but not in any concrete way. Some of his early posts that gave me particular feelings:

Spoiler: show

I think I like this post because I like the conscious effort to adopt a different approach to get involved. This really only works because Dolby showed good follow-through on his pledge to read ISOs on suggestion. I can see this being a town player who was genuinely trying to wrap his head around the game, but found that a straight catch-up was frustratingly unhelpful (#downwithketchup).
However, I'm not certain about this reading of this post because it could also be a mafier whose main goal is appearing engaged, and it is easier to do that when he has a specific ISO to sink his teeth into.

Spoiler: show

I also liked Dolby's whole handling of what he dubbed the "triad". He could have treated any one of us with some level of skepticism. I would expect a mafia member to want to sow discord in that grouping. But dolby restrained his caution to a mere warning about trusting too much, but did not engage in any sort of unfavorable reading of any of us individually. In fact, he was willing to acknowledge a slight inclination toward reading Jay and I as town.

I would put dolby as a mild town read right now if I were compiling a reads list.

I town-read ilario based on energy early Day 1, but my Review has turned up a questionable early moment in his ISO:

Spoiler: show

ilario instantly agrees with my made-up TSP slander and slaps a town read on me in response. But then when I tell everyone that I was making junk up, he says "ah well you're town for other reasons anyway."

@ilario why did you "agree" with my early assertion about TSP? What is your experience playing with him and how familiar are you with TSP? Why did you view me as town in response to that post?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:44 pm How do you feel about the game right now, Sloonei?

There is much work to be done. I don't believe we were wildly off base yesterday, but I would like to review everyone to see who, if anyone, has been fooling us.
I'm currently working on doing that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:39 pm I have an idea about how I can start to sort this thing. I will do it later. I won't say what it is. This post is pointless.

impending exercise hype

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:21 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:18 pm Care to elaborate about what you mean when ya say "dissonance"? Are the tiers ordered?
The tiers themselves are ordered, but the names within each tier are not.

The "dissonance" refers to my inability to come to a solid conclusion with how I sort the names. There's a clash between gut and brain with you and ilario especially. Given the current game state it strikes me as inherently more likely than it did 24 hours ago (beyond just the sig flip) that one+ of you is mafia. Otherwise I would have to be wrong about one+ of my stronger town reads.

What are the anti-town arguments for Son of Anarch and Ilario?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:03 pm [VOTE: johanna] aubergine
Why

I thought her entrance this phase looked stage. SPF was not a strange kill choice in my estimation, and Johanna's declaration of the opposite rang hollow to me, as did her speculation into why the choice was made, though I was probably already inclined to read it that way so I may not be assessing it fairly.
I also thought her first big post of the day was a Big Salad. Falcon already commented on it in a similar manner: she throws out a lot of names and describes things about those people, but the post itself does not say a ton.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:01 pm I'm identical to myself in Bonk Mafia, and I have decided NotAnAxehole is a bullshitter. If my posts are "empty" now they were empty in that game too, but his reads between the games don't align. Site Meta Boy needs to make more sense.

The POE was fine because it felt fine, and the only escape is to spam contrarian reads into the game and pretend town reading sig is somehow clearing.

Thoughts?

I would like to have a better feel for who Axehole is and why he has the reads that he has, but my efforts to develop that read yesterday were unsuccessful.

[VOTE: johanna] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:37 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:34 pm I mean, that and the fact that I'm obviously lock town for yesterday, Sig flip. If you don't see it, then you're probably just mafia, because I don't think you're bad.
I didn't realize you were referring to yourself.

You're not obviously lock anything to me (nor is anyone, I think that kind of language tends to be silly), but I'll take that into consideration.
I mean...

I pushed against the Sig wagon
I pushed on a Sig voter (who randomly was trying to put off the blame for his vote)

I get that you might be like, yeah but you could just theater... Yeah, but then look at the level of effort that I put into this game overall, and ask if I would really be bothered to do that shit as mafia just for the sake of the exact same outcome.

This post gets a blanket “No” from me.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:17 pm Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Sloonei?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Off to work. Will check on things if I can, but there’s no guarantee of that. Keep doing things, y’all.

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