The Syndicate

answer that question while i go to sleep, please and thanks

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:22 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 am Sloonei sloonei sloonei, why you no vote ted or tsp?

Because nanook said he townreads fingersplints and I think that's a weird read so I want to give him a chance to shield her.

Is it actually a weird read? She seemed really town to me

Yes. Why was she really town?

Like, do you think I haven't been hard enough on ted this phase, Odd? Do you think I haven't done enough to engage with TSP?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 am Sloonei sloonei sloonei, why you no vote ted or tsp?

And also because Day 2 does not end for 15 more hours.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 am Sloonei sloonei sloonei, why you no vote ted or tsp?

Because nanook said he townreads fingersplints and I think that's a weird read so I want to give him a chance to shield her.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:04 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:33 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:52 pm i dunno, there have been games where i’ve been able to tell nook is a villa fairly easily because it’s evident he cares about his reads and stuff. this is not one of those games. i feel like he’s just going through the motions here, which tbf is probably in both ranges for him bit i think os more likely to come from w!him? so gth wolf but i’m not confident in it

this is a good summation of where i'm at with nanook - his posts don't seem to have any real conviction or fluidity between them. he's drifting, and while i dont think drifting is inherently alignment indicative for him, his town game is usually balanced with moments of genuine solving/digging into things - i struggle to see any of that reflected here

I don't think this is a fair summation of my game. I did a reasonable amount of work d1. When I had a townread (bo) potentially in danger d1 I fought against that push. I don't have any townreads in danger d2 and the game seems to mostly be on track, so I don't really feel the need to do much. Coupled with some RL stuff, I think sitting back today is fine.

but you are a primary suspect

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:00 am How did I end up with 2 more votes while I was asleep, what the hay guys

u haven't been very townie. marmot interactions not great. You'll need to help us find a better alternative to be his teammate(s).

on that subject, have you talked about ted yet?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:47 am Nobody voting or pushing hally pretty much confirms them as Joseph's partner imo, obviously if Joseph had a different partner they wouldn't be able to CC directly but they could push on hally as a way of indirectly CCing. Nobody doing that means hally is functionally confirmed town

Yes. If I didn't already believe it to be the case, this would be the final confirmation.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:28 am @Sloonei - how confident would you say your townread on the hally slot is?

Exceedingly. I think there is slim to no chance that Hally is not the role we assume they are.

Strawhenge is probably my most trusted player that doesn't have a mechanical reason to be trusted.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:33 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:28 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on Oddmerta?
@Oddmerta thoughts on nanook?

I thought he was probably town d1

I haven't read any of his posts since

Why was he probably town Day 1?

I liked his tone plus sheeped read

What read was sheeped and by whom?

@fingersplints I have a vague suspicion when I look over the landscape of Fargo that you are mafia. I can't tell you why this is, and I don't think it's anything that you've done. But I can't help it being what it is. I'm not going to rush to a decision on you or tunnel you or anything like that. But I do need to hear from you about... stuff. Anything. I don't know what. And I know you have already talked about plenty of things in this game. So whenever you can, and to whatever extent you can, I'd love to hear your general thoughts about the game right now. Who are Marmot's teammates? Who are the best candidates to be on the Other Team? Which players (besides the mechanically cleared) are you most comfortable placing in the Town pile?

Thanks,
Doctor Sloonei, Thread Dad

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved

This is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.

But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.

On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.

it's notable to me that nanook, fingersplints, and ted (and oddmerta, to a lesser extent) are all on the TSP wagon. TSP has high equity to be a wolf but the majority of the people on his wagon are people that i've also found to have high wolf equity. that indicates to me that the POE is slightly off or that the teams are pushing against each other. i lean on the latter being the case, although it is just speculation until we see more flips

Fingersplints has been my dark horse suspect, for lack of a better term. She's in the consensus POE, so it's not like she's off the radar, but if I am picking out one person from that group who makes the most sense as mafia, it's her. But I can't really identify what it is that makes me say that.

I think I should try to listen to what she has to say some more. Thank you for guiding me to this decision, SPF. You're a true inspiration.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:05 am This feels like a thing where you are going to want to mildly thunderdome me with some big flexes, but just know that I'm going to bed right now.

It is not that at all. I'm just trying to understand where you are at.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:00 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 am I tried to engage at least one other player about your ted thing.

But you also suggested that Ted looked better than I did in the exchange. How's that?

How is that? That is how I felt, I thought you were making a big case about something I found to be a reasonable response from ted.

What is Ted's alignment? What is my alignment?

What is this reaction?

You don't know what I think of your alignment, really?

I don't have anything negative on ted, personally. He has a lot of suspicion from various players, and so he's probably bad I guess. I wouldn't defend him if he were going down to a yeet.

I am just trying to assess where your head is at right now. You suggested that I look worse than the guy who currently has the most votes in the poll. That's a little alarming and ego-bruising.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved

This is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.

But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.

On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 am I tried to engage at least one other player about your ted thing.

But you also suggested that Ted looked better than I did in the exchange. How's that?

How is that? That is how I felt, I thought you were making a big case about something I found to be a reasonable response from ted.

What is Ted's alignment? What is my alignment?

Actually would be cool if @KZA @BoKnows and @falcon45ca could give us some round robin reads on each other. Once they've all sobered up, that is.
I gather that there is a general sense of trust between the three of them this game. But they should all know one another better than the rest of the roster, so if any players are in a position to either confirm a civilian or dislodge a mafier in that group, it's the Canucks themselves.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 am I tried to engage at least one other player about your ted thing.

But you also suggested that Ted looked better than I did in the exchange. How's that?

The "him" that I caught being Ted, not LC.

Long Con was the only one who commented on my big ted talk last night, and I felt like I really kinda just caught him there.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:44 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:28 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on Oddmerta?
@Oddmerta thoughts on nanook?

He's town but I want him to die because he made "I'm mafia" jokes as his entrance. But if we kill him for that then we have to kill a lot of townies for that

Why do you think he's town?

He has town vibes

Can you explain these vibes or identify any posts where the vibes are visible?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:28 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on Oddmerta?
@Oddmerta thoughts on nanook?

He's town but I want him to die because he made "I'm mafia" jokes as his entrance. But if we kill him for that then we have to kill a lot of townies for that

Why do you think he's town?

JPIC is also still occupying a space where I don't distrust him, but I have no reason to say he can't be mafia.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 am apologies for the lack of engagement today - the accidental nap that i just took confirmed to me that i was a lot more tired from work this week than i thought i was, lol

does anyone have anything they'd like my take on in particular? if not, i'm going to continue just digging around

One of the tasks on my hypothetical To Do List right now is to start affirming or re-affirming some of the players not in the POE. I feel like we have, for the time being, exhausted the arguments that can be made against our main suspects for the day. Maybe there is more that can be said about al_sama, but he feels like he's on the back burner right now. TSP is the wagon that I feel us the most unresolved, so maybe he could be talked about some more.

But for now, we're in a position that feels comfortable. We all seem to collectively think that the game is going well, that our POE deserves to be trusted, and that the "towncore" is sound. So I'd like to take this moment of relative ease to confirm that we're not getting ahead of ourselves, if we can. To that end, I want to double check some of our reads. Namely, players like falcon, Bo, KZA, and Strawhenge. I continue to town read all of them, but I am not at a point where I would "bet the game" on them being town. It would be nice if I could get there.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:28 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on Oddmerta?
@Oddmerta thoughts on nanook?

I thought he was probably town d1

I haven't read any of his posts since

Why was he probably town Day 1?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:30 am

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@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on Oddmerta?
@Oddmerta thoughts on nanook?

what the hell is that header? am i hallucinating?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:15 am Beer thought: sloonei has been kinda over the top when addressing OddMerta lately

Does this mean something? Idk I hope so

He is frustrating me.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:10 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am I'm here to make scum jelly

How do you intend to make this happen?

It's already happening my dude

I do not think it is.

Look at this situation. Nearly everyone in the thread wants to trust you. You should be in a very good position. We have a strong POE forming, we already chopping one mafioso and feel generally quite good that we are heading toward another. You seem to have mechanics in your corner. This should give you an excellent platform to use your voice in the thread. If you are worried about dodging a nightkill, I'd venture to say that that need not be a concern: we have at least two confirmed civilians who are currently being much, much more vocal than you are. I am not confirmed at the moment, but I am also probably ahead of you on any To Kill lists. SPF as well. So you've got a lot of cushion. You've got a platform. You've got a voice. We are all urging you to use it, and yet you are refusing. Why? Your play right now is unhelpful, and bordering on a distraction. At the very least, help us to erase our lingering tinfoil about you.

They want to trust me because they know I'm town

Yes, exactly. Do something. Please.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am I'm here to make scum jelly

How do you intend to make this happen?

It's already happening my dude

I do not think it is.

Look at this situation. Nearly everyone in the thread wants to trust you. You should be in a very good position. We have a strong POE forming, we already chopping one mafioso and feel generally quite good that we are heading toward another. You seem to have mechanics in your corner. This should give you an excellent platform to use your voice in the thread. If you are worried about dodging a nightkill, I'd venture to say that that need not be a concern: we have at least two confirmed civilians who are currently being much, much more vocal than you are. I am not confirmed at the moment, but I am also probably ahead of you on any To Kill lists. SPF as well. So you've got a lot of cushion. You've got a platform. You've got a voice. We are all urging you to use it, and yet you are refusing. Why? Your play right now is unhelpful, and bordering on a distraction. At the very least, help us to erase our lingering tinfoil about you.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am I'm here to make scum jelly

How do you intend to make this happen?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:55 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:51 am i want to clarify btw that i’m not saying odd is necessarily a wolf. it’s not like i can’t see him as a villager. i’m simply saying the seemingly unanimous free pass he’s being given does not seem warranted given his iso and i don’t really think he should be getting v read right now. if anyone has arguments to the contrary i’m all ears though

I wish odd would do more give his position in this game

Yeah, this is ultimately where I fall on Odd. He's been handed a very nice platform to join in and help us solve the game, but he's done absolutely nothing with it. If nothing else, Radiohead showed me that he's capable of being engaged in the solving effort.

But as I say this, I have to ask myself if this is a reason to town read him: if he's mafia, then he's resisting the collective effort to drag him into the towncore. Why not just pay along and capitalize on all this goodwill?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:44 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:41 am General question that I've already floated at least once already: what do we think the team sizes are?

I think assuming 4 and 4 is sensible.

I do not. Given that both teams can apparently kill each night (based on Night 1, at least. That may not actually be the case), I think 14 vs 4 vs 4 can make for a very quick and unfair town loss.

Or they could eat each other. But I'm not balance-master.

How do the numbers affect the hunting on the base level?

This is true, but I would not bank on it, and I think cross-team violence is less likely to occur in general because nightkill targets tend to be the players that are the most cleared, so that's not an occurrence that I think should be given supreme weight when balancing any game.
4 & 3 or 3 & 3 remain the guesses I'm most comfortable with. The powers in this game seem to be many, so I'm not quite sure what that does for balance either.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:41 am General question that I've already floated at least once already: what do we think the team sizes are?

I think assuming 4 and 4 is sensible.

I do not. Given that both teams can apparently kill each night (based on Night 1, at least. That may not actually be the case), I think 14 vs 4 vs 4 can make for a very quick and unfair town loss.

General question that I've already floated at least once already: what do we think the team sizes are?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:13 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 am Well that's a hell of a way to start a new page! Yeehaw!

Tell me about Oddmerta, ted and Esooa.

i thought his first few posts were pretty wolfy when i was itt

afaict he has trouble finding an actual tunnel for genuine reasons and from his iso I can't glean that he's actually reading the thread and assessing stuff like a villager would

from the few games we've played, i don't expect him to talk about someone like sloonei being scum and then voting somebody random like jpic, he seems to me more like the theory conspiracy guy. doesn't seem like he's using his votes in order to gather INTEL from his scum reads (especially sloonei)

the LC read I believe was straight up stolen from spf's call on alison - and that was probably the only villagery thing that i was willing to call slightly villagery in his iso, but it's most likely nothing

i don't like to type a lot of words, hope this manages to sum it up decently

My only thoughts on Odd so far is that he blatantly misrepresented me and said I dismissed day 0 reads which is not what I said at all. When I called him out on it, he has not responded.

I am scanning JPIC's ISO to try to flesh out a read on him one way or the other. I think this early post is a good look. He seems to be genuinely a bit miffed at Odd's treatment of him, but not in a hellbent or defensive sort of way. Just annoyed. I think that sort of response to suspicion, pure annoyance, is more likely to come from a civilian than mafia.

Pure coincidence that this involves Oddmerta immediately after Hally brings him up.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:33 am i finished iso’ing oddmerta and have confirmed that he doesn’t have a single villagery thought or post in his iso. there is nothing i can point to and go “odd is trying to solve the game.” the few reads he’s given look fake. his tone/attitude could perhaps be construed as villagery but i think they’re just his personality and NAI. i don’t see any reason why he’s a villager

@Oddmerta should respond to this

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:26 am [vimeo][/vimeo]

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:22 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:19 am BK has hard claimed drunk via discord

Sorry if this is angleshooting

No I didn't I just mentioned LU stuff

Here is the twist: I am lying!

vote kza

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:22 am I have had several beverages myself.

When I finish up my current ISO, I too may go make myself a second cup of chamomile tea.

No need to go that hard, good god man!

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:17 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:16 am joking about potential mafia teams seems weird tbh

Is this a read

Bo is mixing two separate conversations up as one thing.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:17 am especially one comprised of 1 caught scum and 2 others high in the poe

I think you are drunk

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:16 am joking about potential mafia teams seems weird tbh

It was the opposite of that.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:11 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:04 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:02 am I do not struggle at all to see a ted/nanook/marmot team.

Sloondawg, could you sum up why you thought nanook was town, early on in the game? Namely that post where you said, 'I'm town, therefore nanook is town.'

I know you don't know, but I'm curious about what you thought D1.

That was a joke. Nanook and I have been scum partners at least 5 times in the last year.

Why would you joke about that?

No subject is taboo, I'm edgy like that.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:59 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:58 pm slots that are potentially more readable/not always dying baring a claim

Do these slots have names?

what are your thoughts on odd now that he isn’t mech clear?

I have been tentatively reading Odd as town without regard for any alleged mechanical information all game. I have felt like his attempts to will me into having a mafia rolecard look like a civilian being a goof all game. But that read is growing stale now that we're in the back half of Day 2 and he has given no indication that he intends to drop the shtick.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:04 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:02 am I do not struggle at all to see a ted/nanook/marmot team.

Sloondawg, could you sum up why you thought nanook was town, early on in the game? Namely that post where you said, 'I'm town, therefore nanook is town.'

I know you don't know, but I'm curious about what you thought D1.

That was a joke. Nanook and I have been scum partners at least 5 times in the last year.

I do not struggle at all to see a ted/nanook/marmot team.