The Syndicate

Dolby - His entrance after missing the opening hours of the game looked very natural and comfortable. It didn't seem like dolby was putting pressure on to do anything, but he also did not feel overly conscious of his position in the game. This pattern has remained fairly consistent as the game has progressed, despite his relatively low profile.

Dyslexicon - Boundless energy and exciting. Making things happen and offering keen insight in a way that only Dizzy can.

falcon45ca - Is playing in line with his town meta, as far as I can tell. Has taken a lot of contentious stances which could put him in some hot water unnecessarily.

G-Man - He told us he would be absent at the start, and has shown sincere effort to catch himself back up despite his position.

ilario - Very enthusiastic, energetic start that had all the markings of a town player who is excited for the game. On a personal note, ilario's development towards me on Day 2 has been a very familiar pattern that I have seen from Fellow Civilians dozens of times in the past.

JaggedJimmyJay - Has offered insights and expressed thoughts which I do not think would occur if Jay was not town. Can point to examples if it is demanded of me. On a more surface level, the patented colors chart requires more work than would have been necessary for a scum jay to put in today, while subsequently not being the most overwhelming tool in his arsenal when it comes to earning townie points. He could have put his work toward something more showy, but instead he did the thing that is designed to help him best solve the game, rather than something that would make him look impressive.

Johanna - Is playing the game with apparent confidence after having missed most of Day 1. Wasted no time getting involved on Day 2. Appeared to give no thought to the existence of the watcher in her initial assessment of the Night 1 poison target.

Lime Coke - Frustration at early pressure looked like a player who was coming under early pressure for bogus reasons. Has put forth a high number of town reads, which will make his path difficult if he is mafia.

Marmot - His responses to me this phase have been reminiscent of past headbutts we've exchanged. Has been an active and willing participant in a relatively wide range of discussions.

NotAnAxehole - Difficult to find compatible teammates. Has played with a style that could easily make him vulnerable to emotionally-charged suspicions, but has weathered those storms well. Despite not often showing his work, he has made it clear that his reads are malleable.

Son of Anarch - Generally agreeable posture in the game. Has had the right energy, and does not seem to be hiding behind the challenge of adjusting to his new environment and the faster pace of this game relative to what he is useful.

TonyStarkPrime - Handling of sig on Day 1 makes sense in the light of information he revealed to us today. Claimed watcher.

we can all hit submit now

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:15 pm 2 more, almost done.

Oh, you're THAT kid in class

I'm gonna pee my pants and it's all marmot's fault!

I am done.

*sudden realization that i need to pee, but will have to wait until the current class activity has wrapped before i can ask to be excused*

when you're done writing put your head down on your desk and wait patiently for the rest of the class.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:54 pm I'll be ready to start in a couple minutes, I assume the idea is that we each work on this and won't share our conclusions until everyone who wanted to partake is ready?

we can all wait to share if that is what The Group prefers.

sorry for the double post

Dolby
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
G-Man
ilario
JaggedJimmyJay
Johanna
Lime Coke
Marmot
NotAnAxehole
Sloonei
Son of Anarch
TonyStarkPrime

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:44 pm I’m pretty much here, so we can exercise. How exactly do you mean for this to work Sloonei?

No grand coordination necessary. We just all post our lists around the same time. I just wanted to do it at a time when there could be some active and immediate discussion stemming from the exercise. Explanations of reads don't need to be more than a sentence or two, though we're all free to go on as long as we want.

Trustfalls first, then distrustfalls if we are all game. And of course, anyone else who's lurking around is free to join in.

is it just gonna be three old farts trustfalling into each other?

Who is around and interested in doing a trustfall/distrustfall?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:10 pm *thread dies*

The calm before the mass trustfall exercise

I’m about to head out for a bit so I can’t do my own trustfall/distrustfall at the moment, but it’s something I will do later, and I encourage folks to give it a shot. If we want to organize a period where a big group of us do it simultaneously, that could be arranged.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:25 pm But more seriously: Trustfalls could be a worthy exercise here. I already asked Son of Anarch to do a mini version of one earlier in the game as part of a general discussion we were having.

The exercise goes like this: Each participating player goes through the entire roster of players in the game and lists a short reason or couple of reasons to town read everyone. It doesn't matter what your overall read of that player is. The point of the exercise is to force yourself to consider the possibility that each and every player is town, whether true or not.

We can also do the opposite of this (Distrustfall), where we list reasons to suspect everyone.

Then after our lists have been made we go through and analyze our lists to see which reads we feel most and least confident about. Helpful, useful content abounds. Hooray.

That sounds like something I won't be participating in. LOL

That sounds about right, yeah

But more seriously: Trustfalls could be a worthy exercise here. I already asked Son of Anarch to do a mini version of one earlier in the game as part of a general discussion we were having.

The exercise goes like this: Each participating player goes through the entire roster of players in the game and lists a short reason or couple of reasons to town read everyone. It doesn't matter what your overall read of that player is. The point of the exercise is to force yourself to consider the possibility that each and every player is town, whether true or not.

We can also do the opposite of this (Distrustfall), where we list reasons to suspect everyone.

Then after our lists have been made we go through and analyze our lists to see which reads we feel most and least confident about. Helpful, useful content abounds. Hooray.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:18 pm Undeveloped concern:

If I am mafia in a game like this with a pre-provided numbers advantage, I might just town read my whole team and “power” through the reduced number of misses I need.

Town reads in this game need to be critically assessed. On a personal level we can start with trustfalls.

Sloonei can explain.

everyone close your eyes and fall backward. if another player in this game doesn't teleport behind you and catch you, that player who failed to teleport is mafia.

G-man's catch-up posts are not designed to be read and digested by us, I believe. They exist for his own sake. That is fine and groovy and I do not disapprove of him doing that if it is the method he feels is best to help him get involved.

But when he is comfortable and involved, we are all going to need him to give us posts that are more open to interpretation and discussion.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:51 pm I'm not reading PBPA

Tell me what PBPA means, please. I’m old and not hip to the new-fangled leetspeak.

Professional Bowling People Association

and also post-by-post analysis.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:15 pm

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am JK

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'll be back tomorrow hopefully with better focus.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:23 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am JK

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'll be back tomorrow hopefully with better focus.

Are you cc-ing?

Wait did he claim?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:24 am [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I don't get what the CC would be for?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:55 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.

Do you have any more thoughts? On this claim or anything else?

It is a PR claim that's pretty powerful.

It'll self resolve.

@Marmot, I don't really interpret this stuff as "giving up". That would tend to depend upon what he does from here though. At the least it's a pretty empty Day 2 so far.

Sure. I find the emptiness more suspicious, since it's really hard to tell if he's "given up". We'll see.

If we were organizing players in order of what they've done/contributed today, I'd put Lime Coke would be at the very bottom.

As we wait for Lime Coke to return, I could interpret his reaction as more damning than yours. You just talked to me longer, so your response resonated more with me.

To clarify: neither Lime Coke nor Marmot's reactions to TSP's claim/my pestering need to be bad. But both of them checked some of the boxes for what I was anticipating from potential mafia members. Lime Coke's more muted response could be interpreted less favorably than Marmot's more spirited resistance.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:15 pm

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am JK

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'll be back tomorrow hopefully with better focus.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:23 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:14 am JK

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'll be back tomorrow hopefully with better focus.

Are you cc-ing?

Wait did he claim?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:24 am [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I don't get what the CC would be for?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:55 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 am My bad then. Tells you how well I'm looking at this shit.

Do you have any more thoughts? On this claim or anything else?

It is a PR claim that's pretty powerful.

It'll self resolve.

@Marmot, I don't really interpret this stuff as "giving up". That would tend to depend upon what he does from here though. At the least it's a pretty empty Day 2 so far.

Sure. I find the emptiness more suspicious, since it's really hard to tell if he's "given up". We'll see.

If we were organizing players in order of what they've done/contributed today, I'd put Lime Coke would be at the very bottom.

As we wait for Lime Coke to return, I could interpret his reaction as more damning than yours. You just talked to me longer, so your response resonated more with me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:09 pm I'm going to be throwing out periodic quotes as I do my larger-scale work for people to chew on. First:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:35 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:32 pm Hi I still haven't fully read the thread

I'm wondering...is there a point to telling us this?


[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Are these mafia teammates?

I can read it that way, but I can also read it as a standard extension of falcon’s overall shtick in this game.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:47 pm If he isn’t one of them I’d assume the mafia would just take him to be real though ?

Maybe. But they don't know for sure. So I think there would be some resignation and frustration, but "giving up" entirely does not feel right. Because it's also possible TSP is lying. We won't know until tomorrow.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:45 pm I would not say that I townread you last night, that assumption is incorrect. I was a little suspicious of your handling of me/sig yesterday, and I was concerned that you were trying to steer the thread into a nightkill analysis direction, which to me did not seem fruitful.

I might've also been contrarian because of my read on you, but I did change my mind about such discussion after thinking about it.

How do you feel about our late night chat now that you know what I was thinking/doing?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:42 pm Fact of the matter is, if tsp is real and someone is confirmed by him I feel like they would just have given up posting by now, and nobody in this lobby really fits that bill except maybe lc but I think he has irl reasons to not be present?

The mafia team would only know whether he's real or fake if he is one of them.

My takeaway when I reviewed Lime Coke's Day 1 posts was that I saw very little development of any suspicions.

well I really messed up a spoiler there.

Regarding discussion of TSP's claim and Marmot in particular:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:37 am If TSP is telling the truth, we are guaranteed to have a confirmed mafia on Day 2. I think that's worth talking about.

I didn't take TSP's claim seriously at first because I thought he was teasing to have had a result at the start of the day, and that's not how the watcher works in this game. When I realized that was not what he was saying, I took the claim more seriously. It might be real. It might not. We'll know later. But in the meantime, we can discuss it as though it is real.

If TSP's claim is legit then he has caught a member of the mafia team. There is no wiggle room. Someone has been caught red handed poisoning SPF. The whole mafia team knows this. Thus, I expect them to be more nervous, less excited, about TSP's claim and the discussion around it than town players.

I wanted to force some discussion about this topic, both to see how folks would handle the topic itself, but also because on a simpler level it is just another way of framing our top suspects in a way that may have more urgency to it. Essentially, a successful watcher shot on Night 1 means that we have one mafia member that can already be considered caught, and I felt there was a chance that that player's teammates could give us hints in their reactions to the topic.

Marmot happened to be around at the time. Not many others were. So it is perhaps a bit unfortunate that he just happened to be in my path when I was pursuing this angle. But his responses fit the mold that I had theorized for a Teammate Of Caught Mafia: resistance, hesitation, frustration:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:09 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:50 am Are marmots usually this nervous?

Are you gonna do the thing where you convince yourself I'm scum and never rescind?

Also, why do you think the exercise you mentioned would be useful and who do you think will be revealed?

I am not.

Why would it not be useful to talk about a claimed watcher with a successful target on the poison victim? Your resistance to this topic makes me think you know whose name we will see, but want to stay as far away from it as possible.

I think G-man would make the most sense to carry out the kill if he is bad.

And you want to yeet Johanna today? Or would your rather go for G-Man?

[/spoiler]

Adjacent to all of this, I did not love Marmot's initial response to being informed of TSP's claim: Marmot accepts and believes the claim without hesitation, but I would not describe this as an excited reaction. It almost reads as resigned. That lack of excitement carried over the ensuing discussion, even in the immediate aftermath of Marmot announcing a town-read on me..

If Marmot is town, he is in the thread with a player he town-reads, having just been informed that we may or may not have a watcher with a confirmed mafia in the bag. His emotional resonance in this situation does not seem like that of a player who is enthused by these developments.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pm Because I suspect you, and talking to her about a player I suspect can potentially give me quality about each of you.

Could you expound on your suspicion of me just so everyone's on the same page?

Looking through your ISO, I've seen you ask me a number of questions about things that I have said, but your reasons for voting me are often the same:

No good reason, I just don't like all the votes on sig and feel like Marmot can get some attention too.
Poll diversity. You have not earned a town read yet, but you have not been a big topic of discussion either.
At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.
We seem to be circling around Marmot and sig as our primary options for today, but neither has an overwhelming case against them.
I put my vote on Marmot a while ago because sig had all the votes and there was no productive reason for me to leave mine there. Marmot was next in line for some scrutiny.


There is a common theme here that I have perceived, that you want to push my name for discussion but have not voiced a suspicion about anything that I've done. Is this intentional? Or am I missing something?

There was a point at which I thought your handling of sig yesterday looked vaguely bad, but I never got around to articulating it and felt better about voting for sig anyway.

I will be elaborating on a more recent point in a moment.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:13 pm The source of the distrust was that 1. I found your opening shade of me to ping me 2. I found that jjj commenting that I would poison spf as something potentially he did as mafia to frame me 3. I felt like you were asking some questions just for the sake of asking questions and I couldn’t tell what direction you were going with those questions (eg who we thoufht the watcher report will be) 4. I still think lc is scummy so jjj taking him out of the poe yesterday pinged me

1. I don't remember shading you. I went back to read my early posts. If you are referring to this post, it was not meant as shade. I had no read on you one way or another at a time when others were announcing town reads on you. I wanted to know why that was happening.
2. Jay can answer that for himself if he wants.
3. Yeah I get that a lot. I'm going somewhere. I was admittedly trying to grill Marmot a little harder with the TSP/Watcher stuff last night. But I think it can be a fruitful line of discussion in any context. I can and will elaborate in a post shortly.
4. I'm on board with having Lime Coke in the POE. I think Jay has slid toward that position as well today.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:11 pm I perceived the poe to be mostly the low posters/some combination of gman/dolby/marmot/Johanna/naa

How would you rank those players?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm @Sloonei

I think you’re town. I’m opening with that sentence because I don’t want people taking the following comments and running with them while I am not here.

I do have one concern. I have, at isolated moments, thought you might be laying your shtick on a little thick. Your pokes at NAA seemed to reach beyond a point of standing a chance of helping you “understand”, for example. At a certain point it ought to be clear something isn’t working The Sloonei Way. That’s one example and the most significant. There’ve been a couple others where Sloonei Patience seemed to give way to Sloonei Stubbornness.

Do what you will with those comments I suppose. Does it surprise you that I feel that way? Why might I feel that way? Something something

I got more frustrated with NAA than I liked, so I've decided to try to focus elsehwere.

I do not know what the last sentence of your big paragraph means.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.

That is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.

I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?

Well what’s the current poe looking like fypov ? I’ll tell you what I’ll add in fmpov

I am specifically asking about what you perceived the POE to be at the time that you decided you were uncomfortable with. At the moment you began to distrust SloonJay, what specifically was the source of that distrust?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 am Sure. You did make a read and place a vote on her earlier today. So your read did take some shape without any interaction. Why do you feel that interaction is necessary to answer this question?

I think her shift from her original uncomfortable-looking catchup post to hitting the ground running today look good for her. I'm willing to accept that there's an explanation for the discomfort in that catchup post aside from "she is mafia".

I had a judgment about her entry in the thread on Day 2, but that was hardly a developed read. I placed a snap vote on her to emphasize this position and indicate that she is a person of interest for me to start the day.

Now I am trying to talk to her to develop that read further.

My vote for her and hazy suspicion against her has absolutely nothing to do with her "looking uncomfortable." It was because I thought her entrance today had the potential to be staged.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:51 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

I really like this take and will put a vote on Sloonei for now.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

This is ilario's first (technically second, but whatever) time playing with me, so it's natural for him to assume the default New To Me position.

This is not your first time playing with me, Marmot.

Correct, this is not my first time playing with you.

Similarly.

This is not your first time playing with me.


Why do you want Johanna to look at and talk about me?

Because I suspect you, and talking to her about a player I suspect can potentially give me quality about each of you.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.

That is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.

I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:44 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am I don't think Lime Coke is a consensus town read. I'm iffy on him, at the very least.

No one has anything to read G-man off of. He is a suspect by virtue of not being able to be town-read.

Is TSP just a "lock" because of his claim?

Marmot should be a fairly memorable player. He's been around. I'd recommend perusing his ISO.

Not many people have posted reads list on D2 so far and he was definitely high in the townreads of most lists D1.

TSP is not technically lock but if he's lying about it it will self-resolve. I think his attitude towards the mechanics (encouraging false claims d1) has been vastly more pro-town than ANYTHING that ANYONE ELSE has done so far. He's been kind of cryptic but I don't know that that's an uncommon trait.

And PRECISELY because Marmot has been around and yet nothing he has said or done are in any way shape or form memorable or remarkable, despite you saying that they should be, makes me think something's off.

I'm not the first person to remark on his seemingly ethereal quality.

Good point RE: TSP.

Maybe I'm more aware of Marmot's presence because I've been eyeing him as a suspect since early Day 1. I have tried saying things about him but it has not gained a whole lot of traction. Maybe I need to consolidate things.

Which players in the game do you have the most past experience with?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

I really like this take and will put a vote on Sloonei for now.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

This is ilario's first (technically second, but whatever) time playing with me, so it's natural for him to assume the default New To Me position.

This is not your first time playing with me, Marmot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Yes, but has your read on her changed?

I think she's town.

TBD.

Why is she town?

I do wish you would be as cooperative as you expect Axehole to be.

The purpose of my questions for Johanna is to develop my read on her. We have barely gotten started, thus my read on her has not changed.

Why is she town?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Why have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.

Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Yes, but has your read on her changed?

I think she's town.

TBD.

Why is she town?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 am I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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It can't be normal

I don't think Lime Coke is a consensus town read. I'm iffy on him, at the very least.

No one has anything to read G-man off of. He is a suspect by virtue of not being able to be town-read.

Is TSP just a "lock" because of his claim?

Marmot should be a fairly memorable player. He's been around. I'd recommend perusing his ISO.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

So how does a pirate like you end up leading a townreads list? Pirates are famous for villainy and booty.

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Simple. I'm the captain.

Wanna talk about Marmot?

@Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.

Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

It's really not.

Do you not see how it can be received that way?

Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

You have replied multiple times this game by essentially saying “If you don’t understand what I’m saying [without having it explained to you] then you never will.” It is frustrating to your fellow players. The foundation of this game is communication.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.

Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

It's really not.

Do you not see how it can be received that way?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...

Elaborate

No?

Great thanks.

Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.

Ah, well if you're asking me so that you can read me, then I don't really have any incentive to help you there either. At least if you kill me, I can blame you for the loss.

I am town. You read me as town, according to your recent posts. Your incentive to help me is that, if you are town, helping me to better understand your mindset can help me read you correctly.