The Syndicate

I can vote for Colin so I did.

Colin & Sabie

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:39 pm Caught up — I really liked Mac's post re: sabie. I also agree that Creature and Mac look like good town people for coming in and stirring things up a little.

I'd like to give sabie a chance to respond and offer an alternative before voting her, though, because while it's not cutthroat, I don't like that list of all the games she got murked in ...

Supports the sabie case but holds back on it and presents her with a platform to defend herself.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:06 pm Sabie, I see you. Give us your brain thoughts!

A poke. Okay. Her immediate response was nothing. I could see teammates in this interaction. Colin gives her a generic prod for content and she responds with an emotional and unsubstantial self-defense, as though she didn't actually feel pressure from Colin's post to produce any reads. She did go on to express a few reads about a half hour later, but the time of the initial exchange had passed by then.

These posts do not relate directly to sabie, but I furrowed my brow at them and want to take note of them:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:31 pm @ColinIsCool besides sabie, is there a player you think deserves suspicion right now?

Long Con, maybe? It seems like he's been kind of ... surfacey, when he usually isn't. That's just the first one to come to my mind.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:03 pm Why are we not voting out the no-show? [VOTE: DRAGOMIR] aubergine

First, I asked him to name a non-sabie suspect and he came up with Long Con for a reason that I don't really buy and which I'm not sure was really applicable to Long Con in this game, or to Long Con's meta. The second post is a vote for the now-confirmed-civ absentee, which is a big bag of meh. Especially given the context of the Day 1 lynch and where Colin was at. He'd previously denounced the BWT wagon and the only other candidate I see him focusing on in his posts is sabie, who he seems to have a negative read on. But then he tosses Dragomir's name into the ring because... Dragomir.

Another post where he singularly focuses on LC as a vote candidate, ignoring his sabie suspicion.

Colin's vote then bounced around for a while, from Jack and then to sprit where I believe he ended Day 1. Sabie is mentioned 0 times in this spree. After the lynch he makes this post:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:58 pm I am anticipating some remark from somebody or another about how I'm not taking this game seriously enough/putting forth an effort/how I'm lazy so let this serve as a sort of lodestar for anyone trying to read me.

I don't have a lot of time to do ISOs and deep dives and things like that anymore. I'm going to sheep and I'm going to probably only post little posts. I post my thoughts as they come to me. I don't think anything through so what you see is pure unadulterated Colin brain activity, for better or worse.

Yesterday's lynch had no suspect I really felt was a slam dunk. With regards to the sabie case, it was solid, but so were all the other ones where I lynched her and I was wrong. I can't read her.

And I'll admit that I also wanted to keep her around because she doesn't get a chance to play, and that's a shame. If that makes me bad, then go ahead and lynch me for it.

I do not have a problem with Colin's content being lighter than usual. I do have a problem with Colin announcing that sabie is a suspect, even going so far as to singularly justify the act of not voting for her on Day 1 when no other player gets that treatment, while also making zero mention of her during the most pivotal stretch of time during the Day 1 lynch. That looks bad.

Then this:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:10 pm Okay we’ve got 40some hours here here are the avenues that I think we should be pursuing

Creature
Colin
Sabie
sprityo

As you’ll note I sorted them by the letters their names start with.

To these four — who’s mafia? Give me names.
As far as everyone else goes, out of these four who is the most likely to be town?
I don’t have much time tonight to talk but if anyone has ideas I’ll take em.

To rank that list (worst to best) sabie, Creature, sprityo, Colin. I’m not a huge fan of that list per se.

Outside of that list I don’t think it’s you, Mac, or Long Con. Everyone else is fair game.

sabie looks worse than sprityo. And so does Creature. But sprityo received Colin's Day 1 vote. Not Creature, and certainly not sabie. For reference, Colin's mention of Creature prior to this moment include an early Day 1 town read and a passive, incidental mention of his name.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:45 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:31 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:59 am I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.

Okay, so if not Sloonei, Sprityo, or Creature who’s your target? Or don’t know yet?

Sabie, Jack or Dragomir.

Sabie I do feel sympathy for but she hasn’t done anything since the lynch to indicate being town to me and while the info we’d get might be bunk because Epi pretty much saved her in some peoples’ eyes it’d be more informative than the other two.

Jack I can pretty easily see as a mafioso letting the town pick each other apart in a low activity game. The only thing he has going for him is the rationale that he would have voted as scum which is not really that much.

Dragomir isn’t here (right?) even though I did see them on yesterday so it’d be a lotto drawing but it would give us some more time to establish lines of inquiry against suspects and we don’t have to deal with that slot come endgame.

I dunno, pretty uninspiring takes all around but my sleuthing ain’t what it used to be.

Since it's been a topic of much confusion this game, this post here is closer to Player Salad than any of the Lists of Reads folks have been making. Colin plops a few easy names down as viable lynch options. He gives reasons for all of them, but the sin of salad (I think) is that it enables a (scum) player to open the door to a number of lynches without fully committing to any one of them. He would drop a vote on Sabie a little while later and be gone for the day. So if he's scum he eventually committed to bussing her. But he also never actually pushed for her lynch. He repeatedly named her as a suspect, but until these final moments he had always kept her away from the threat of being lynched. I see a lot of potential teammate interaction here.

Since that lynch, I've become Colin's preferred target for reasons unclear.
Here is a post where he recommends the up-fucking of Sloon. Here is another where he slants my treatment of sabie as bussing and reassures us all of his seriousness.

I did not bus sabie. Sloonei is an aggressive busser. ColinIsCool has first hand knowledge of this (Ancient Greece). If I was comfortable bussing sabie, my stretegy would not have been to defend her throughout the day. Colin's tinfoil on me is bogus.

I don't think these interactions need to suggest that sabie and colin are both mutants, but I do not struggle to find evidence for that. If I'm going to argue against myself here, I'd say that Colin's participation has not been super heavy, so his light treatment of sabie at crucial moments on Day 1 and early in Day 2 might not be as damning as they appear under the magnifying glass. And it's not like he was alone in being hesitant to lynch sabie (yo). But at the same time, that latter point is a bit of a concern as well; earnest civilians expressed trepidation about lynching sabie, which would enable her partner(s) to follow the same route.

I could vote for Colin.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:08 am He was for about an hour before moving it to Colin which I criticized then too. It’s completely random to vote for someone you townread and then not vote for them and then vote for them again at the end of the day.

Now it resulted in us lynching scum but it also suggests some knowledge that a townie wouldn’t have.

I can’t claim to have a very elaborate reason for my vote. I cast it about 20 seconds before the poll closed. At the time we were deadlocked at 4 votes apiece for Creature and Sabie. I was on sabie. Nobody else appeared to be moving. My main motivation was to avoid another tie. But I also started to feel better about Creature in the final moments. I talked about this briefly in the moment (there wasn’t time to explain anything in depth). It was a very impulsive vote, dictated more by emotion than reason. I remind you again that I always hold onto my votes verynloosely. I can change it at any time, and when it comes to the final result optics are not a consideration; my vote goes where I want it to go in the moment.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:26 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.

And there it is.

Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.

Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.

Has Creature not played much around here?

I believe this is his third syndicate game. He was previously in Better Off Ted and Arrowverse, which ran concurrently just a couple weeks ago.

He's played a lot elsewhere, i dunno where though. MU I think.

sabie was also a roleblocker.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:58 pm May I please have a copy of yesterday’s final lynching poll?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.

He was the first name that came to my mind after I typed my long-winded spiel about how the mutants would have treated their recruit.

sabie had next to nothing to say about him early, though I do believe she plopped some arbitrary shade on him late in Day 2 when he was getting votes (and also voted for him, I think?), but at that time both of them were exposed to heavy scrutiny and the necessity to avoid bussing would not have applied.

sorry glorf, you have my condolences. this game doesn't matter

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:43 pm What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?

I said possible recruit, not definite recruit

Everyone's a possible recruit. Why speculate if you're not gonna attach reasons to it?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm It's not evidence, but it's indication: his play majorly changed.

How so? He was less of a presence, but I'd attribute that more to availability than alignment.

Macdougall is not a player who's afraid of the spotlight when he's mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:43 pm What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?

I think it would be better to take a step back before exploring this question, actually.

How do we think sabie (and her partner, if they were active Day 1) would have treated their recruit?

Bearing in mind that the recruit would have been pseudo-lynchproof. They began the day with a -2 vote count, and would also have been indestructible at night. So they would not necessarily need protection in the short term, but there'd be no need to expose them to the threat of long term scrutiny either.

For instance, if the recruit had received the highest vote total Day 1, they would be likely to survive in spite of this as long as somebody else was within 1-2 votes of them on the poll. This would be a major red flag to every civilian. The mutants would absolutely want to avoid hanging their impending partner out to dry like that right off the bat (baseball metaphors activated). So I think it's likely they would have wanted to pitch around that player. But it's also worth noting that (I think) the recruit would have been unaware of their recruited status on Day 1, so they certainly would have also been unaware of their partners' identities. This is the ultimate advantage of the recruit; they are a genuine and earnest civilian on Day 1. The two original mafia members probably would want to avoid heavy confrontations with their recruit -- nothing high and tight off the plate -- for everyone's benefit; if Recruited Goon gets all worked up about something The Master did Day 1, then Recruited Goon needs to find an excuse to back off their target on Day 2, or else the team is caught in a bussing trap of their own making.

SO I guess what I'm saying is I'd expect mafia to tread lightly around their recruited player on Day 1.

What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:23 pm Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

My concern is that I did not intend to frame Jack's behavior as suspicion. What I meant in my original analysis of him was that his play aligns more closely with Town Jack, but that I wanted more from him in spite of this. I don't think it's damning by any means that you interpreted as suspicion in line with what sabie was saying, but it's something I've taken note of.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

I object to none of this.

Who should we be looking at to begin this day?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:42 pm Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

John 3:19

*flips through bible*

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:42 pm Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention] if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 amNo offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.

Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:42 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.

I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.

I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Do you think this could be evidence that Glorf is the teammate/recruit that sabie was trying to throw under the bus?

If I were to guess, I’d say it makes more sense for Glorf to be the Master than the recruit here. Sabie’s initial attempt to shade him followed by an abrupt reversal could indicate BTSC between them, where there was a conscious plan at work in one post or the other.

The recruit would have had a two-vote protection on Day 1, but there would have been no reason for the mafia team to call attention to them one way or the other.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:50 pm @Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

I do not feel like you are even trying to read me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:50 pm @Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

A more in-depth interactive sabie ISO

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I've already talked about this post a handful of times, but it's important. LC and I are her only positive reads. Jack, sprit, and glorfindel have varying degrees of negativity around them, and Mac has the tiniest bit of shade. Everyone else just gets neutral mentions.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:06 pm Sabie, I see you. Give us your brain thoughts!

My thoughts are really not positive at the moment. Realizing how much I get killed off so quickly really makes me frustrated and upset and this game isnt supposed to make you feel that way. I am terrible at reading people day 1 and whenever I try people think I'm bad even though I'm not which has been just insanely frustrating for me.

Colin asks her for reads and she doesn't really supply them. Noted.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

Reiterates the Jack and sprit suspicions. One or neither of them are bad. Idk. Jack is pushing for sprit right now, but that's exactly what he'd be doing if he was bad.

This is where she walks back the Glorfindel suspicion. Mr Stark is also given sabie's stamp of approval here. She besmirches Mac a little without really implicating him. Mac and Tony shared my top tier of town reads before we knew sabie was bad, and her flip only strengthened each of those reads.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:06 pm
If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me

What I've found is that when Jack is a civ he goes after people asks questions gets discussion going gets really into it and posts a lot. As a baddie he wasn't like that he was a lot more chill. This game I haven't seen the usual civ Jack so far.


I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for. As he also has not been as active as he was in the previous game where he was civ and has not provided much depth to suspicions and reads thus far this game.

When pressed to choose one or the other between her two suspects, she chooses Jack and then also pivots onto bwt out of nowhere. That part looks particularly opportunistic. I don't know if she's looking for an alternative to her teammate, Jack, or if she's just looking to broaden her horizons now that birdwithteeth is on the menu. Her vote ended up on Jack this day, which goes against the "jack is her teammate" argument.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:10 pm Well out of the options currently being voted for Im more inclined to go with bwt as they have been voting with no explanation and haven't put forth as much effort as they normally do.
Epi could be bad with his hiding behind the video game speak but I always find him so hard to read.

I've said in multiple games that Jack has a different way of posting when good and bad. Other people also have utilized this knowledge of how people act in games to gauge what alignment people might be. Why does that make me bad? I sometimes feel like I must be speaking a different language because I think what I'm saying makes sense and everyone is always like whaaaaaaaa?? Whenever I post.

Yeah this doesn't look like a bus job. She wants Jack to get got. The vote.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:49 pm I'm sorry BWT RIP! I agree this lynch was difficult because I felt I had some town reads but I was unsure about some of the less active players. I felt like it was out of character of Jack and spirityo to not be as involved as they usually are hopefully they'll come in and participate more. I'm still iffy on them. I think the shorter than usual day phase may have also caught some people off guard.
And to answer epis question mac has definitely been wrong about me before.

She kind of abandoned sprit for a while, but now that the lynch has passed he's back on the menu. Maybe I do want to lynch him.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:25 am I am trying to keep up. I really didnt want to go into my personal real life problems on here because who wants to hear me complain about my life and ruin this game no one. Basic is the boyfriend is very sick and I now work over 10 hour days at a high stress job.

I am trying to keep up. I don't even understand the suspicion on me or where it comes from. I keep trying to make an effort. It's like lately people just decide they want to suspect me and go for it.

Spirityo continues to not provide much of anything on the way of reads. Even after hes been under some suspicion haven't seen him be his usual aggressive self. I was also saying that about Jack but he did at least come back into it. Oreki and dragomir I assume are probably not planning on coming back at this point.

Creature is a hard one to read he came in on end of day and was all over the place with the votes and posting. I'll have to look more at that.

I will be at work for like forever but I'll try to check in. I didn't want to bail on the game. I'm glad for the extra time today. Putting my vote on no vote currently but will check in periodically.

Day 2 and sprit has seeminly leapfrogged Jack as her top suspect. Jack started getting more involved, which took away sabie's argument against him. She throws oreki and dragomir into the paragraph about sprit, and then follows it up with her first mention of Creature. Preliminary good look for Creature; this looks opportunistic.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:59 pm Today was fun worked forever went to urgent care went to pharmacy finally home.
I get the creature suspicion. When looking at his ISO it's all just like maybe one sentence of random thoughts and changing suspicions. He was saying this game is too boring and people are uncreative with their votes and suspicions without really doing much delving into anything either. His end of day posting was just all over the place amd changing votes without trying to solve anything. He could have broken the tie but also did not.

Spirityo eh I'm still iffy on him. He maybe had some motive to kill epi as epi was kind of calling him out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.

That number appears to be two.

Lol and one is Glor. Awesome.

Unsure what that's all about exactly.
Still think Jack is acting weird but at least he kinda came back in.

I really have to do real life stuff I'm really trying to be here as much as I can.

She quietly jumps on board with the Creature wagon. Opportunism 101. Her line on sprit the whole time has been "he's iffy" and that read hasn't really progressed. I could see them as teammates, but that does not need to be the case.
Part of me wants to read that bottom portion as a soft, indirect defense of Glorfindel.

And that's where we're at. Creature and Mac look pretty good here, as does Jack. sprit is iffy. There are juicy bits involving Glorfindel, but I'm not completely sure which way to lean on those. I'd favor town for now, but those are open to interpretation.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:50 pm @Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:10 pm birdwithteeth11
2
14%
Voters: Creature, Sloonei

Epignosis
1
7%
Voters: Long Con

Glorfindel
1
7%
Voters: birdwithteeth11

Jackofhearts2005
2
14%
Voters: sabie12, Glorfindel

sabie12
2
14%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall

sprityo
2
14%
Voters: ColinIsCool, Epignosis

Not voting presently
2
14%
Voters: sprityo, Jackofhearts2005

Lol this is the worst EOD.

Scum should have voted anybody unless Sprityo was a wolf. Saves Sabie and if they ever get lynched, it points to a save of 1 wolf in 3 players, 2 of them suspected townies.

If Sprityo is a wolf, he could have self preserved. He’ll Sabie could have self preserved onto BWT or Sprityo.

Was scum just not around at EOD?

Maybe sabie was okay being bussed.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.

I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.

I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:25 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:23 pmI'm bored

Wanna go help us figure out who sabie's teammate(s) are?

Original or recruited? Which would be the most interesting?

Either/or.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:23 pmI'm bored

Wanna go help us figure out who sabie's teammate(s) are?

Lynching Sloonei would be a categorically Bad Move.

How you came to be what you are is unclear to nearly everyone else, but it matters little. You wield immense influence over the wastes, including over thousands of people who do not know you exist. You are as brilliant as you are terrifying, and if you get your way the world will soon be a very different place... and so much more pure.

If you deliver the night kill, you will not be affected by role blocks or protections. You may not kill during consecutive night phases.

Separately, during each night phase you may expose a player to intense radiation. He or she will become sick, and all of their efforts will be hampered accordingly (but not prevented outright; voting, night actions, item usage, purchases, and gambling) for the following two phases. He or she will be made aware of radiation sickness, but prohibited from revealing it.

*secrets...*

This is the role that the Mutants still have, plus a recruited vanilla goon (if I'm interpreting Lou's role correctly). Every other night they've got an unblockable kill. It's possible they used that ability on Epi Night 1. It's possible they did not.

Radiation poisoning seems like a nuisance, but it doesn't look like it is fatal here.

*secrets...* could be absolutely anything.

This is a powerful role.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:43 pm Does sabie’s flip change any of this?

Not really. I figured most of her lynch was another lazy civ wagon for the most part.

I'm having trouble making sense of these two sentences together. Your impression of the sabie lynch was that town was just being lazy (seeming to imply you read sabie as town), but the fact that sabie flipped bad does nothing to change your outlook on the game? At least as it pertains to the two players in question?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:26 pm what are the pros and cons of lynching each of Creature and Colin?

I'm not necessarily in favor of lynching Creature yet. I'm still not sure if he's superbaddie yet or just playing a bad townie game so far. Might just come from the fact that right now I feel almost the exact opposite as him on several large aspects of this game so far.

Colin on the other hand has been very noncommittal (i.e. wanting to vote for the nonparticipants early on) and then blaming others who voted for them for their deaths instead of taking responsibility for his own voting decisions. He is a strong candidate to get my vote on Day 3.

Does sabie’s flip change any of this?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:29 pm Time for everyone’s favorite game where I get mislynched again

Should I roll over and die. Save my breath-

Or rebuke these false pretense messages that the above people say means something?

I don’t want to lynch you and I’m the only voice that matters.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:18 pm Well I knew that was gonna happen.

?

Self-deprecating sarcasm.

And what would your reaction be if I said I didn't believe you?

I did a kind of incredulous shrug with an agitated headshake, if you must know.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:22 pm my life is completely falling apart so its fitting that I'm dead yall have fun.

I sincerely hope that everything gets put back together soon.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:56 pm I was there at lynch's end, and I almost voted Creature to break the tie. Then I saw sprityo switch to sabie last-second, and saw it was a) unnecessary and b) ineffectual.

I was the one who broke the tie.

I want to call attention to this one sabie post in particular right now. This was one of her earliest contributions, and she covers a lot of ground here. I've highlighted her reads using standard rainbow coloration as I see them.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT(1.0) also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

The player I feel best about stemming from this post is Glorfindel. Sabie would follow up by walking back the suspicion of Glorf and claiming she did not mean to imply suspicion (I think).

Her position on Mac never amounted to anything despite quite a lot of words. That's another mark in his favor. If Mac and sabie are partners, they went hardcore distancing off the bat. I don't think she's treating Mac like she would a recruited partner at this point.
She also never really arrives at a conclusion on Epi & Creature. She has less to say about them and it's not as explicitly unfavorable. I could see Creature as a partner based solely off this post.
If only one of Jack or sprit is bad, I'd lean toward Jack here. Sabie backed off of him on Day 2 but kept the pressure on sprit the entire time (without ever actually voting for him. Actually she voted for Creature today, so maybe strike that last point).

LC and I are grouped together as her only distinctly positive reads. I'm unsure how to feel about that in this limited context. I'll note that LC was present and aware of the situation at the deadline but left his vote on me when I was not getting lynched.

Sabie would have been the one to officially choose the recruited member. That doesn’t mean much if the two original mutants consulted each other. But if Sabie’s other partner is an inactive (Dragomir or Oreki), she would have selected the third member on her own.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:18 pm Well I knew that was gonna happen.

?

Self-deprecating sarcasm.

Well I knew that was gonna happen.

I've become aware of a difference in Fallout Creature and Arrowverse Creature: He didn't tell people they were anti-town just for voting him in Arrowverse. That is a new wrinkle. Maybe it indicates that he's good.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:01 pm How tf can one slot not post for two full game days?

pretty sure dragomir has no internet at the moment.

fuck it. moved to sabie just to solidify things. i'm sorry sabie.

whoa votes moved abruptly and we're almost there.

i made another tie.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:52 pm When I went to bed about eight hours ago, Sloonei had three votes. Who moved?

And while I’m at it @Creature : I didn’t ‘votepark’ on you, as I indicated above, I’ve been asleep the past eight hours...

Sleeping is antitown.

Creature moved.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 pm It’s very not helping then. And I ask you stop

So I just accept being lynched?

There are other ways to resist being lynched.

I tried a day 1 VC analysis.

How would you rank the three players voting for you right now?

What is the biggest point against each of colin and sabie? Can you identify a reason to town-read either of them?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 pm It’s very not helping then. And I ask you stop

So I just accept being lynched?

There are other ways to resist being lynched.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:35 pm @Sloonei I did a personal gun to head

Simply a do I like X or not that’s why it’s not a pretty rainbow

What did you not like about all your X's?

Why is Colin town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:15 pm
Also is this player salad someone explain why or why not before an angry crocodile attacks me

This is a list of reads. Lists of reads are A Nice Thing. Player Salad is when somebody is just meandering through a post and arbitrarily throws out some names like, "I could lynch X, Y, & Z. Maybe W." without clearly articulating a reason to lynch any of those people, usually just lumping them in under one blanket suspicion.

I didn't ISO Tony for the same reason as Mac. It's not worth my time at this juncture.

So an updated rainbow:
TonyStarkPrime
Macdougall
Glorfindel
Long Con
sabie
birdwithteeth
Jackofhearts
Dragomir
sprityo
Colin
Creature

This is still not a very inspiring list. birdwithteeth and jack are the least stable town reads. Mac's really good and I historically suck at reading him, so there's always a chance I'm way off base with him. I'm also still very receptive to arguments against sabie. Dragomir also occupies a player slot in this game.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine for now. I'm not sold on anything but Colin and Creature are the names I'm wrestling with the most. If nothing solidifies over the last 50 minutes or so I would not be opposed to a Dragomir lynch. But I think we should talk about the active candidates before we reach that point.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:10 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:41 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:31 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!

Huh? I don't understand your post.

Gay abandon?

It means without much care

Why stop at gay?

Do it with gay AND reckless abandon

I understood that both adjectives had very similar meanings in that context? It’s been a long time, Sprityo. How have you been? Any thoughts on the significant posters so far?

Pretty good thank you

I’ve been interacting with LC. And am having a hard time grasping why he just doesn’t do it my way. Albeit more difficult. It works

Other than that I haven’t looked into the game yet. I promise I won’t do what I did in Arrowverse this game so just let me check it out tonight before the poll ends

To this point sprit looked a bit like his Arrowverse self, but maybe a bit less jovial. What has he done since then?

Nada
Nada
"Nothing bad on sabie"
"I don't like creature or LC. Why not?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:45 pm okay that was easy and with an hour and a half to spare

so quick player salad:


Jackofhearts2005 - N/A
Oreki - N/A
Dragoteeth - N/A
ColinIsCool - scum
Creature - scum
Long Con - scum
sabie12 scum
Sloonei - scum
TonyStarkPrime - town
Glorfindel - town
MacDougall - town

So really my issue right now is why are we only talking about the day 1 events and no one is talking about possible epi killers.

personally reading all of that made me want to lynch epi. but someone obviously felt threatened enough by him either directly, or his presence alone to kill him straight away.

thoughts?

Uh so hey sprit, why do all of these reads exist? Especially the sabie one, since she was "not bad" a little while earlier.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:51 pm I don’t think oreki or dragomir killed epi. Directly. I think there’s always a possibility of one inactive mafia

I’m rather inclined to believe someone like sloonei/jack/LC would do something like that

I don't object to this analysis.

He's been kind of poking and prodding at the suspects for most of today, but for the most part has just moved his vote around to keep ties alive. I'm not sure what sprityo is actually thinking about any of us. He's made some vague comments but I don't really know why. [mention]sprityo[/mention] talk to me about your suspects. Who are they and why?

sprit has fulfilled his promise to be more involved than he was in Arrowverse, but I still don't feel he's done enough to warrant a town read. His handling of the last hour of Day 2 could prove illuminating.

The Sabie Case

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

Reads expressed in this post:
Mac -
Creature & Epi - "Interesting" "Maybe, but wouldn't be so obvious."
Jack - vague shade
sprit - vague shade
bwt - more substantial shade
oreki, colin, dragomir - "they're absent"
TSP - "He exists."
Sloonei - "His usual self."
LC - "His usual self."
Glorf - arbritrary wifom

This post kind of reminds me of a post sabie made early on in Arrowverse (she was mafia) in which she gave a summary of reads not unlike this. I feel particularly icky about the Glorfindel and Mac reads. She doesn't really arrive at a conclusion on Mac but kind of muses negatively on him. The Glorfindel suspicion feels cherrypicked.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

Walks back the Glorfindel suspicion here, and reiterates the Jack and sprit suspicions. Glorfindel highlighted a seeming contradiction between sabie's stance on Jack here vs. her stance on Jack in Arrowverse. But as she was scum there, reading into that is pretty complicated.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:06 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.
The natural concern is that sabie's suspects here are easy targets, but that it is harder to pursue that case on a Day 1 like the one we had here. There weren't really any standout suspects except maybe sabie herself.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me

What I've found is that when Jack is a civ he goes after people asks questions gets discussion going gets really into it and posts a lot. As a baddie he wasn't like that he was a lot more chill. This game I haven't seen the usual civ Jack so far.


I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for. As he also has not been as active as he was in the previous game where he was civ and has not provided much depth to suspicions and reads thus far this game.

Lumps bwt into the same group with sprit and jack in a conversation with Tony, who was voting for bwt at the time. That final detail is important if we believe this is scum sabie. This looks very opportunistic in that light.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:10 pm Well out of the options currently being voted for Im more inclined to go with bwt as they have been voting with no explanation and haven't put forth as much effort as they normally do.
Epi could be bad with his hiding behind the video game speak but I always find him so hard to read.

I've said in multiple games that Jack has a different way of posting when good and bad. Other people also have utilized this knowledge of how people act in games to gauge what alignment people might be. Why does that make me bad? I sometimes feel like I must be speaking a different language because I think what I'm saying makes sense and everyone is always like whaaaaaaaa?? Whenever I post.

Voices primary support of the bwt wagon, and then defends her suspicion of Jack. She would follow this up a few minutes later with a vote for Jack who, you might notice, is not birdwithteeth.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:23 pm Well it's close to end of day so I think my biggest suspicion is on Jack. I think he is not acting his typical civ self and he hasnt been contributing the way he normally does and getting the discussion going. Hes usually really aggressive in finding baddies and I'm just not seeing it this time around.


[VOTE: jack] aubergine

I'd like to know what happened between these two posts. I don't know what the poll looked like. The votes never swayed too heavily in anyone's favor, but sabie's name was on the chopping block most of the day, so her vote would have mattered a lot to her on a self-preservation basis. She ultimately went with Jack and not another name (bwt or sprit) who would have given her a greater chance of not dying. That's a slightly good look, but there's not really enough meat on the bone to say anything more than that.

I appreciate that Sabie has not thrown in the towel on Day 2. She's being bombarded with suspicion and has let us know that her real life schedule is preventing her from being as active as she'd like to be, but she's not letting that stop her from making contributions, and I get a sense of agitated determination in them. This post, for instance:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:01 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:13 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:49 pm I'm sorry BWT RIP! I agree this lynch was difficult because I felt I had some town reads but I was unsure about some of the less active players. I felt like it was out of character of Jack and spirityo to not be as involved as they usually are hopefully they'll come in and participate more. I'm still iffy on them. I think the shorter than usual day phase may have also caught some people off guard.
And to answer epis question mac has definitely been wrong about me before.

That isn't helpful. I know the answer to that question. What's more important is this: Is Mac bad here?

1. Yes.
2. No.

I wasn't thinking he was bad just that his suspicion of me is incorrect. I figured he was trying to push me to post reads or something since I only had a couple posts at that point but I suck at trying to make day 1 reads. I at least try to though. Whoever is bad though would just have to plant a seed of doubt about me and I'm a really easy target for a mislynch but any of the people suspecting me could be doing that. In the borderlands game mac was a civ and led a mislynch on me based on him misinterpreting information. Obviously I don't want to continue to be night killed or lynched day 1 or 2 but I also don't want people to not play the game how they want to because they feel bad for me as TSP was suggesting. I just point out that a lot of times people misinterpret or misunderstand me. Epi pointing out that I get killed off quickly so often did make me upset (at the situation) but all I can do is keep trying to get better and not let it bother me. I don't want people feeling bad for me I just want people to take the time to try to understand where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to say. Such as I've been criticized before for putting all my thoughts into one long post but I dont have a computer and I'm typically pretty busy IRL so that's what works for me.
Im at least participating and trying to figure things out as much as I can. It would be nice to hear some thoughts from some of the other people who haven't been around as much or discussed thoughts on the game so far.

She makes sure to stress that Mac is not a suspect and gives off the air of a person who's just tired of being misunderstood. When sabie was cornered in Arrowverse, her response was to attack the player (sprityo) who was hounding her. Her response here has not been that, and it looks more like she's trying to communicate with the players that suspect her.

She's continued to go after sprit but has backed off of Jack a little. That aligns with her general attitude toward them throughout the game: jack has become more involved today while sprit, at the time of sabie's earlier posts, had not.

Her most recent post was a vote for Creature over me:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:28 pm I'm sorry all I see people are saying I'm a nonpaticipant and I dont mean to be but I have a lot going on. I want to be here for end of day but I can't guarantee I will be because of my work schedule. If I have to put a vote somewhere I feel worse about creature than I do sloonei. Sloonei is putting together cases and provoking conversation. I feel like creature has yet to put forth as much effort into the game while also complaining the game is too boring. If he felt like he wanted to change things or had stronger feelings elsewhere he could have day 1 but didnt. I'm putting my vote there now. [VOTE: creature] aubergine



If my meeting gets out early I will try to be here for end of day if I can. Again I apologize for not being here as much as I could be.

[mention]sabie[/mention], why did you focus primarily on Creature and I here? What do you think of Colin? Why is sprityo not receiving your vote today?

I don't have enough here to say that sabie is firmly a town read, but I do think I am inclined to lean slightly in that direction. Her Day 2 play in particular has felt more like an exasperated townie than the cornered mafia we saw in Arrowverse.

I would oppose a bwt lynch for ethical reasons today. He's fair game on Day 3 if he becomes a suspect.