The Syndicate

Oh it's over

Everyone here best be grateful to have been a part of my magnum opus

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:52 pm I’m not sure any chop on the board is a bigger shrug than Wilgy. I have no read. Folks newer to him should be aware though that his general approach to this game isn’t atypical of what I know of DrWilgy. This is what he do

You're hedging on two potential wagons now. What is your GTH on Anne and Wilgy, and MR and Axehole for that matter?

nutella is right about hedging, at least in the current culture.

M, T, T, T gun to head

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:53 pm JJJ. who do you scumread tbh?

Active suspicion is limited. I don’t trust Nanook. I am vacant of cause to town read Anne, MR, Sloonei, Wilgy

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:50 pm Thread has become quite turbulent, more than usual. I wish I was better able to help change that now, but it’ll be something we should try to sort as a group moving forward

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Come on. I don't see a JJJ who says a lot of activity is a bad thing.

“Turbulence” is not “activity”. It’s a sense of flailing. Activity is great.

I’m not sure any chop on the board is a bigger shrug than Wilgy. I have no read. Folks newer to him should be aware though that his general approach to this game isn’t atypical of what I know of DrWilgy. This is what he do

Thread has become quite turbulent, more than usual. I wish I was better able to help change that now, but it’ll be something we should try to sort as a group moving forward

Thanks iaafr and LC I’ll ponder

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:41 pm Anne is pretty much a black hole for me as a read. My response to the wagon is essentially: “okay”

That's about where I'm at. Any particular reason you're commenting on Anne here?

She’s shot up in votes since I last checked in; first thing I noticed

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:41 pm Look the main reason I find Anne towny is based on her disdain being in this game. I think she kind of doesn't like being town as much as being mafia so she's been quite annoyed with how this game has gone, specifically with how her reads have progressed this game.

Is this a meta view that you’d say is based on numerous incidents or more of a general idea you have of anne as a player

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:41 pm if falcon/mac are town/town then i am sort of skeptical of nutella/jay in particular

anne being w clears nutella in my worldview tho, i just personally dont currently think anne is w (open to being wrong tho)

What would be the first thing to give you pause about an Anne vote

Anne is pretty much a black hole for me as a read. My response to the wagon is essentially: “okay”

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Response to SPF is pretty fart

Current Dizzy wagon is pretty ugly

Disadvantage of saving posts: if numerous others capped then the thread is dead

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:26 pm Town:
Marmot
Nutella
Leetic

I can solve the game without reading 90 % of it. You're all n00bs. Except Radish, he's a flame thrower, and pretty hot tbh

Plus Nanook

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:40 pm Gas Station Thought of the Day:

Without looking, can anyone in the chat remember a read Nanook has put in this thread other than “Jay bad”?

No, but I know that his vote sucks.

But all of my votes sucks too, so it's only fair

Tell Me More® about your view of Nanook please and thank you

The best reason to town read Dizzy is that he is absolutely nothing like he was quite recently when he and falcon ran over Fleabag as mafia.

That’s not worth a ton when the product in the thread is still content-limited. It could be worth “more than nothing” though. He isn’t putting on a show.

Okay then.

Regarding the MR post SPF highlighted: shrug. I don’t struggle to see the latter paragraph as a token qualifier to encourage an active-listening dialogue. “That said, you could be right blah blah” is kind of a staple of my own play even if sometimes it’s perhaps redundant or otherwise not necessary. It’s a courtesy at least when I do it. MR can expand on his own.

The mechanical dynamics of the post may be questionable with a certain degree of nitpick. But you could be right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:46 pm Why is Nanook town

Perhaps a more productive way to frame this question:

What’s the fundamental difference with respect to interpreting alignment between Nanook and NAA in this Day 1?

Oh jeez. There are numerous family people here. Expect my presence to be sporadic.

I have a thought about the MR post SPF highlighted. Before I share I would prefer he answer for himself so I will give it a bit

My view of NAA is quite ambivalent. There are little kernels of the town game I saw in Fleabag, e.g. the partially-troll-partially-cooperative treatment of me and my C L O U T. It’s a small point. I don’t know what he thinks of the game.

Why is Nanook town

Gas Station Thought of the Day:

Without looking, can anyone in the chat remember a read Nanook has put in this thread other than “Jay bad”?

Thanks falcon.

As a general rule, I’m not giving anyone credit for fart posts and certainly not MacDougall. Your other comments are more useful to me though and I will think it over.

One quick note:

I don’t think “optimality” is necessarily a sound notion to pursue or expect in #TonyLightRoleMadness. I’m also not sure I’d call what Mac has claimed to do “suboptimal”. There’s a good chance I check falcon and don’t even wait if I am in that position. I trust myself to be “cleared” when it counts, and I don’t struggle to believe Mac might have a similar perspective.

Overall I don’t know whether this stuff changes my view of Mac, but the role usage as I understand it doesn’t really bother me additionally.

I’m going to be making a “brief” drive today and expect to be around in the EDT afternoon. I am having family shit sprung on me about the Thanks being Given, so if they end up doing things I’m not gonna be mobile phone Mafia guy. It’s possible that applies around EOD. We’ll see.

I’ll [VOTE: unvote] aubergine for the moment and sort my thoughts as I drive.

@Sloonei I have saved some of these posts with the hope of interacting with you pre-cap lift. It’d be really swell just get some bare bones of what you think of the game even if not via a wretched ketchup.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:04 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:01 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:21 am @falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

As I begin to absorb today’s episode of Nonsense Mechanics, this seems to be the core matter. If Mac is town, he green checked falcon. So falcon can only be mafia in a world where Mac also is (still wouldn’t have to be), barring goofy shit that would seem to violate host promises.

So I land here. Falcon’s perspective of Mac is a valuable one, because he has unique access to Mac in this game. Falcon: can you please expand on what you say in this post here (that is, why wouldn’t mafia Mac do that), and also just give your general impressions of what he’s done in the chat?

L i g h t
R o l e
M a d n e s s

@falcon45ca I have collected a solid number of town reads and posted them. I may not have posted the generic ~list~ but it’s in the plans once I can dedicate some time to review. For the moment here are town reads in no particular order:

leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
iaafr
Lime Coke
staypositivefriend

I feel pretty good about this group. There are some others I might consider e.g. Marmot. I’ll see.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:56 pm why did it feel like the time?

You’d had numerous opportunities to make your mark on the thread, and I was already patient. Tonight it just becomes parody.

parody is wolfy?

Sure, it can be.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:45 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine



He's bound to be Maf one of these times

Why is this the time, captain falcon

A combination of probability & your less than towny posting

Please expand on the latter thing

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:53 pm peepeepoopoo

Please talk about your vote

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:56 pm why did it feel like the time?

You’d had numerous opportunities to make your mark on the thread, and I was already patient. Tonight it just becomes parody.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:32 pm [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

one fart too many

I do have one question for you: Is there a reason why it took you this long in the game to vote for someone? Wilgy and Sloonei are the only ones to have held out for longer and the latter didn't even show

Yes. Perhaps my most important discovery over the last two-three years of Mafia is that an environment of comfort is usually better for town than an environment of pressure. Often in the early game if I feel mu vote serves no purpose higher than just pressure, I don’t place it. I feel that gives people I have suspicions of maximum space to change my mind and believe that I really am listening.

Eventually one must vote though. This felt like the time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:35 pm Just seems like tripling down on a tired gag instead of enduring the struggle to make real posts

this is a lazy read for you

You’ve played in such a way that this is the only available read beyond “farts are NAI”, and I am not giving you that over 24 hours into Day 1.

i just said i have a green and I'm self resolving and there are 50 other people for you to care about but instead you piled onto fart wagon

If that’s true then I am sure you’ll have some beautiful posts in the near future and have nothing to worry about.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:45 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine



He's bound to be Maf one of these times

Why is this the time, captain falcon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:35 pm Just seems like tripling down on a tired gag instead of enduring the struggle to make real posts

this is a lazy read for you

You’ve played in such a way that this is the only available read beyond “farts are NAI”, and I am not giving you that over 24 hours into Day 1.

ok

Just seems like tripling down on a tired gag instead of enduring the struggle to make real posts

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

one fart too many

I’d like to develop my view of the game with more objective reviews before the cap lifts. It’d be super to get some posts from the not-yet-shows. The continuing dialogue strikes me as a bit circular, and that’s natural without new faces. Give me your faces.

And thanks for the response @Lime Coke. It’s good for me to clarify and reinforce meta reads that I don’t experience or aren’t immediately intuitive. @cassandra that was the purpose per your previous question/doubt. It was primarily about you but a useful communication about LC too.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.

fwiw i thought that marmot's initial reasoning to scumread you was among some of the towniest stuff that he's posted, because he pinpointed a specific observation about you that i hadnt found a way to put into words yet, which indicates to me that marmot was putting genuine thought into his read on you. i thought the way that he treated you from there came off as a bit binary/maybe a bit too focused on keeping you in his POE, though

Thanks. If there’s one thing I can say about Marmot, it’s that he hasn’t become preoccupied by singular pursuits including “Jay is off”. To make a read known while still operating within a broad solving umbrella is generally better than the alternative. Gun to my head Marmot is fine.

There’s always room for fart jokes, but it is possible to oversaturate. Peepeepoopoo should be deployed sparingly.

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:01 pm Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

The people playing in it. There are three elements to this player list that I think lend themselves nicely to a game where I don't have to take on that banner in every post:

- Familiarity -- a bunch of people here know each other well and can provide great insights on each other without needing to be prodded and poked
- Skill -- the players in this game are very good at Mafia and need less "guidance". I feel like a bit of a doofus saying so, but in some games I do feel like I need to provide guidance like a champs qualifier.
- Vibes -- these are good folks establishing and maintaining a positive environment and would likely be doing so if I wasn't playing

The situation might change at some point. I am ever watchful of a game's climate. But for the time being I really like where we are at as a game thread.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:02 pm You are all largely right but also somewhat wrong.



Gonna quote this post-game for the cred.

you could town read every single player and this would apply

Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.