The Syndicate

Looks like you figured it out.

@Grogu I wouldn’t say you were “suspicious” necessarily. It was just harder to find strong reasons to say “Grogu is town”, so by process of elimination you ended up a suspect.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:13 am I haven't been able to enjoy a game of mafia in a very long time with a lot of different factors.

I just wanted to say thanks to people involved.

I understand. I've found the game to be a slog more often than not over the last two years or so.

When the players can sustain good vibes, it's much easier to bear. And this game was full of good vibes. I actually think those little breaks we took to chat about off-topic stuff ended up pro-town.

Marmot did not include my night action

naan naan naan naan

naan naan naan naan

hey hey hey

goodbye

Greatest regret is that I didn't get to paste my first Day 4 post from my clipboard saying Koba outed when they asked me to move to nutella at EOD3

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:45 pm Link to scum chat?
Either me or one of my teammates doesn't want it released, sorry! :P

I dig. Sometimes it be like that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:45 pm You are incorrect, role claims are allowed but there are balancing mechanisms in the setup to stop them from being breaking

Thanks! That might be even better for the newcomers then, a bit less foreign.

For those who have the time and inclination, you might consider Long Con's Spiderverse game. It will be an open setup and generally role madness, in a style that is sort of Syndicate-classic in that, given the openness of the roles, it will be illegal to role claim. So the game plays out similarly to mountainous, but everyone can do stuff. I've never seen games quite like it elsewhere. I can't play myself unfortunately, but I suggest it to you fine folks.

@Long Con, correct me if I am wrong about the claiming rules.

Both tutuu and Koba did a wonderful job of conveying authentic town energy, and without the unlucky breaks of having three choppable players cleared by claims this probably looks quite different right now. Then Alison of course played as Alison does -- she exerted command of the thread, adopted stances beneficial to her without interfering loudly with town's solving, and put her team in a great position to win. At least for the first couple days, I'd say she met her "be the third-biggest town read in the game" method quite well.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:26 pm this game was stressful at points and i definitely was not spot-on with all of my foses :P but this game was still a lot of fun, and i'm happy to have played with y'all! i'd like to join more syndicate games in the future for sure

Please do! You have a great impact on the climate of a game regardless of your alignment, and it makes every game with you in it such a pleasure.

Also, I am 5-0 in games featuring SPF.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:21 pm anyway, this is once again why i think its a great idea to have a standardized set of guidelines/mechanics/rules that act as default for the syndicate, and if hosts wish to override them they can be specific on what they're overriding in their sign-up threads and OPs, and if not, everyone can be on the same page. as it is rn, if i want to play mafia at a competitive or semi-competitive level here, i will have to prepare a list of 30 to 50 questions to ask the host at the start of every mafia game i play here, and then keep a journal of every hosts's different preferences in a microsoft word document, titled "nanook's preferences", "jay's preferences", "epi's preferences" etc. because every single host has not only extremely different preferences of handling things, but they also don't write everything in the OP, and i dont think its reasonable to ask them to. sometimes they cant even if they wanted to coz of closed setup games. i dont think the onus should be on the player to interrogate the hosts, i dont think the onus should be on the hosts to write essays, i think the onus should be on the website.

the decision to not have a default set of game policies and mechanics for the site is silly. mafia is a complex game and it needs clarity. i dont want to have to ask 50 questions to the host at the start of every game. when i host, i dont want to write essays on all of the basic mechanics, and then have people still be confused about their roles or mechanics because the volume of stuff ive written just gets so big and they stop reading (as ive experienced from the game i hosted here) @JaggedJimmyJay please use your clout? do you disagree with me? i think that its just lazyness and stubborness to "keep things the way they are" and "not rock the boat" instead of improving things

or maybe i should just accept that i need to spam nitpicky questions to the host and keep memoirs of everyone's hosting preferences if that's what deemed the correct way of doing things here, which i don't think i will accept, but if other people accept this then i'll let those people be; i'd just be very disappointed that people don't want/see how things can be improved for their own convenience

I understand what you mean! I had forgotten this conversation previously happened when I was on hiatus, so it's a good opportunity for me to say something.

Sloonei had suggested before that one of our most important community goals is to encourage Mafia diversity -- games should be able to take on just about any shape, as long as they are fair and honest (or if they are dishonest, the host warns ahead of time). With that in mind, we would be pretty resistant to a set of rules about rules if you will. However, you also included the word guideline, and I think there could be a place for that. Something I/we could consider would be to design a "core Mafia game", including the base rule set, fundamental role dynamics, factional ratios, etc. This would provide a baseline and a guide for hosts, especially new hosts, as they put their games together. It would likely have most application to Heists and perhaps Rackets. Jobs may be a bit of a different beast, because if we reach back into Syndicate history (which we value!), the style of Jobs is wildly diverse and any one of them would be unlikely to reflect any sort of "core game".

I can talk with the gang and see how folks feel. At the very least, a "core game" would enable someone with uncertainty about rules to reduce their questions for the host to just one -- "how do your game's rules differ from the core game?"

It was great to play with all of the newcomers. I don't get to play that much these days, so this was a fresh experience. And I got to look like a dope repeatedly!

I think there are a few issues with this matrix, and I take partial responsibility for that. MP7 and I kinda threw it together on the fly a number of years ago. We put together a bunch of improved matrices for games of 9-14 players, but may not have ever gotten around to fixing this one. I agree that an open setup informed miller has problems.

Miraculous work, SPF.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:11 pm Good game, folks! I'm a bit surprised by the concede. tutuu may have had an outside shot at least.

Anyway, it was a good battle and both sides played strong, effortful Mafia.
if i was allowed to attack spf on n3 i wouldn't have conceded

Ah yes, I had forgotten about double-targeting as an issue pertaining to night kills. I understand your struggle. I think that rule tends to be a relic of yesteryear, and I don't blame Marmot for it (I know you don't either). I kind of just stopped ever having the rule except with specific role combinations.

Anyway tutuu you played stupendous Mafia, and I made more than one post in this game about you that will make me look very silly if they resurface.

I do greatly appreciate the sweet release of Game Over. I'm getting too old for this.

Thanks for the carbohydrates Marmot!

Good game, folks! I'm a bit surprised by the concede. tutuu may have had an outside shot at least.

Anyway, it was a good battle and both sides played strong, effortful Mafia.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:39 pm Are we killing Ali here? Feels wrong, but good at the same time

what's your first guess for the team if Alison's out of it

That the confirmed townies are mostly seeing the same game is reassuring, Michelle's nutella read notwithstanding. She also endorsed the Alison chop.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:35 pm hey jay u sure u dont wanna flip over to nutella?

yeah

Complacency... or FUNplacency?

I forgive your tunnel since you kept my beautiful format

Oh yeah you like Nanook less

but whatever close enough

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:21 pm All you did was replace youyself with me on my list

I don't remember your list, but I believe you

Person most likely to make me look stupid if my reads are poop: tutuu

not worth a socky award unfortunately

Clear
Made
Michelle
SPF

Town reads
nutella
tutuu

Technical suspects
Nanook
Omega
Grogu

Concrete suspects
Alison
DkKoba
Esooa

For a proper POE I need to remove one name from that third pile. Right now I think I remove Omega with a low degree of confidence. This can be qualified further in light of new flip(s).

My internal vibes feel better now than they did the last two days.

This, of course, matters.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:51 pm apologies for not being able to provide more fruitful analysis today. my head has been elsewhere over the last couple of days and i've been struggling to get into this game in the way that i would like to.

that said, i would lean cautiously on DOOM, nutella, nanook, and jagged all being town. i suspect that there may be one mafia within that group that i've simply failed to catch (especially if alison flips town), but those are the names that i generally feel the best about having town equity today

You've done more than your part, SPF.

Marmot just added that to the poll an hour ago.

Pointless argument

We're past the hammer fight. Kumbaya.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:14 pm You have a POE?
always had.

no ones queried me about it.

i dont out reads unless asked or i feel its relevant on principle.

I asked you for reads and you threw a fit lol

All y’all swell gang should head on down to the Job sign-ups forum and click “yes” in that Spiderverse poll.

You have a POE?

Hammers aren't all that common here. Most games are plurality. Hammers have become more popular in recent memory.

Let's all be kind. Whatever it'll be, this day is almost over.

@nutella what would you call your best mafia-aligned performance ever?

~secret meta~

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:58 pm here's the thing

meta isn't trash

be salty about it all you want but it is demonstrably true that the more you have played with a player and become familiar with their style the more accuracy you will have reading them
thats only if they are terribad at scum and dont do anything to improve to play against the expectations for their town meta. spf has been limmed many a time from "meta' reasons from players when she was town with many games with her bc her scum game is decent enough where she can manipulate it.

Is Esooa's scum game terribad?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:54 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:36 pm i literaly dont care what u think that kind of post is always town
I keep returning to this in my head, because I make a post like Alison's literally every time I am mafia and on the chopping block.
also this yeah and especially for alison

they'll just say "meta is trash" again but that kind of post absolutely fits as a scum alison tactic

It's a general idea that I've toyed with in my head, but I try to avoid to much ME reads -- Alison and I have a lot of stylistic similarities, and her post history reminds me of my mafia self. Sometimes.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:52 pm meta is trash the way most ppl apply it.

im referring to esooa's townrange.

If you're town, then:

you care about Esooa's town range because you know her

you don't care about nutella's town range because you don't know her

they're the same thing

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:36 pm i literaly dont care what u think that kind of post is always town

I keep returning to this in my head, because I make a post like Alison's literally every time I am mafia and on the chopping block.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:49 pm this is literally esooa's meta but ok

"meta is trash"

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:27 pm Esooa is behaving like the game is solved

nutella is not

I relate more with nutella

She can still be mafia, but you see my trouble brevs
this is a logic i can follow but i need my brain to process it better when is not almost midnight

It's stinky because sometimes town are overconfident, and sometimes mafia pretend to be uncertain. But they often don't and don't.

keen insights from Mafia Legend JaggedJimmyJay

Most annoying town feeling is knowing with near-absolute certainty that you're never getting night killed and will have to deal with the next day phase.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:20 pm I love how Alison complaints about being consensus POE but then has me in all the worlds. Has no real read on me yet I’m scum with every possible team. Yikes

Grogu posts pack a heavy punch

I could just be a coward and do whatever the confirmed townies tell me to do

Esooa is behaving like the game is solved

nutella is not

I relate more with nutella

She can still be mafia, but you see my trouble brevs

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