The Syndicate

thanks Syn!

That would only prove a doctor exists, and I think Epi would have to realize eventually that nobody but Nanook can fill the role.

I really need to start updating that spreadsheet

Nice start to 2020 for Syndicate civilians.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:58 pm also long con's fake claim was actually joey votto. because he's canadian.
Best first baseman of the 2010s
without argument

a bunch of goons like to tell me it's Miguel Cabrera, and extra silly goons tell me Votto is a "fringe" Hall of Famer

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:58 pm also long con's fake claim was actually joey votto. because he's canadian.

Best first baseman of the 2010s

Thanks for it, Salami. It's the only regular season baseball I have seen played all year.

Good game y'all. Home run.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:43 pm We lynched Jack.

justifies all of your efforts

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:27 pm Good game, by the books.

Very good game, sir. You were under fire the whole time and are still standing right now. To me, that's the mark of a strong mafioso.

Epignosis could have as easily lynched Long Con. No.

Michelle and nutella don't fit at all together. No.

It's not me. I can make the argument if people care.

The game is over. Let's get out of here eh

Hi I’m Hunter Pence

salami would make me shit something fierce

@salami

saloonei

slooper

sloob

Great game, nutella. We had to pool our resources three-fold to come to this stance, because you're not an easy one to locate.

Getting a fucking phone call immediately after Zoom meetings. Fuck this bullshit quarantine

[mention]Michelle[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Are we here? I'm not content to just sleep through the deadline. What of nutella's most recent posts?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:04 pm Although I do feel more confident in a Michelle lynch than nutella. [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Ugh this is so transparent. You are very happy with how stable my wagon is, you've had your winning mislynch given to you on a platter.
Why have you treated it like a source of utter boredom
What? I've been trying. You and Epi seem decided.

I mean you don't strike me as someone who is about to lose the game in 15 minutes

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:04 pm Although I do feel more confident in a Michelle lynch than nutella. [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Ugh this is so transparent. You are very happy with how stable my wagon is, you've had your winning mislynch given to you on a platter.

Why have you treated it like a source of utter boredom

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:52 pm Do you want to lynch LC?
I've wanted to lynch LC all day. The viability of such a thing may depend upon Michelle. @Michelle are you still present?
yes I am now

I think we're in the right place.

Okay this game is over.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:56 pm Fair enough. I'm more or less treating them equally and haven't had a specific reason to change (it's sort of looked like my lynch is a done deal) but if I'm more likely to be able to self-pres this way, works for me.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

beep boop

nutella and Michelle are not teammates.

Therefore, if Epignosis is a civilian then Long Con cannot be. He is the correct choice.

I think nutella is a more likely mafioso than Michelle, but I cannot claim total confidence in that.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:52 pm Do you want to lynch LC?

I've wanted to lynch LC all day. The viability of such a thing may depend upon Michelle. [mention]Michelle[/mention] are you still present?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:49 pm I think you'd try to look similar but it would become evident that you weren't really considering every possibility as you have made an effort to do here. I think you'd fabricate those interactive analyses fairly closely but you'd lock onto one suspect a lot more easily and not be as willing to listen/dialogue with all the players
If I am a civilian, why is your vote on Michelle?
I don't follow

You suggested she was your favored vote out of some vague compatibility with me that Long Con does not share. If you've granted that I am a civilian, then that dynamic should be effectively meaningless.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:49 pm I think you'd try to look similar but it would become evident that you weren't really considering every possibility as you have made an effort to do here. I think you'd fabricate those interactive analyses fairly closely but you'd lock onto one suspect a lot more easily and not be as willing to listen/dialogue with all the players

If I am a civilian, why is your vote on Michelle?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:03 pmI did exactly what I should for lylo analysis.
What one "should" do is in the fingers of the typer, but I really don't see anything resembling LyLo solving, LyLo desperation, LyLo frustration, or anything. Frankly if you're a civilian, I'd expect you to be way up my ass right now about something or another. You rarely trust me anymore when you're good. Why am I clear? You opened the day with tinfoil about me and the Nanook kill. Where'd it go?
Your lylo behavior more or less convinced me you are in this to genuinely solve it.

What do you think I'd do if I was a mafioso?

[mention]Long Con[/mention] I don't think there's any way in hell the mafia team is nutella and Michelle. What do you say to that?

Unfortunately now that my department has discovered the ease of Zoom, I am finding myself in that damned thing all day. I can only be here sporadically.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:03 pmI did exactly what I should for lylo analysis.

What one "should" do is in the fingers of the typer, but I really don't see anything resembling LyLo solving, LyLo desperation, LyLo frustration, or anything. Frankly if you're a civilian, I'd expect you to be way up my ass right now about something or another. You rarely trust me anymore when you're good. Why am I clear? You opened the day with tinfoil about me and the Nanook kill. Where'd it go?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:55 amNow she's voting me in a post where is just a bare vote (Iso-ed her just now to see this). A villager don't suspect everyone in lylo and don't put naked votes. A too large pool is sign of scuminess.

Please expand on this point for me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:14 am Jay found out I am alone. I like this take, because is true. He really shows his thoughts and feels to be a concerned villager.
But in fact we are 3 villagers and I think Epi completes the trio. It's not a triumvirate because I am not a man.

Here is my villa core at this moment: Michelle, Jay and Epi.

How do you feel my showing my thoughts differs from the things I did in the Game of Champions?

Seriously Epignosis. Why nutella before Long Con?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:16 am Not sure what more I can do at this point, but I'm town. I think it has to be LC and Michelle. If Jay (or god forbid Epi) is bad, I'm accepting the L.

Make the case and I'll be listening.

Summary concern:

Long Con and nutella have each endorsed theories that the other is on the mafia team (typically with Michelle both ways).

Why they suspect one another is a mystery. It is absolutely never stated in any meaningful way by either of them apart from nutella last page at my request. They feature each other by default while dedicating more resources to explaining why Michelle is a mafioso.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

What makes you feel that way?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:01 pm I'm at the point that if nutella and LC are civilians, I am prepared to take my first loss of the year. They add up in my head.

I lean toward the same pairing. The first lynch is still a very important choice though. No margin for error.

Everything collides at Long Con for me.

If you agree that nutella and Michelle don’t work as teammates (and believe that I’m a civilian), it’s where we end up.

If you can sell me on Michelle with your degree of confidence that’d go a long way.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:32 pm I think Michelle is a civilian. She looks lost, alone, helpless, angry, trying to figure things out, etc.

Does anybody disagree with that assessment?
I can see that being the case. I am not confident. The term "alone" may be most compelling in that her last real ally in the game was Nanook, at least until you at present. It's the "trying to figure things out" that has given me problems. I see raw effort; I am not sure I see sincere effort.
What's the difference?

I mean that she has put a lot of "effort" into the game, both in defending herself and in putting forth some manner of "hunt". There have been numerous instances wherein she has cast suspicion upon players for what I view as spurious or questionable reasons; it has made me question the authenticity of her hunt.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:32 pm I think Michelle is a civilian. She looks lost, alone, helpless, angry, trying to figure things out, etc.

Does anybody disagree with that assessment?

I can see that being the case. I am not confident. The term "alone" may be most compelling in that her last real ally in the game was Nanook, at least until you at present. It's the "trying to figure things out" that has given me problems. I see raw effort; I am not sure I see sincere effort.

Sometimes when I get all BIG POST, threads die. I'd appreciate it if we could keep this thing moving. It's LyLo. Feedback is fantastic, and anything else is fantastic.

If I am right that nutella and Michelle don't fit together and that Epignosis is a civilian, then Long Con must necessarily be a mafioso.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] I'd be interested to know how you feel about nutella and Michelle as a mafia team.

Are Michelle and nutella compatible as mafia teammates?

Michelle's stuff

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I'm not sure what this is about, but okay.

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Softball response to a half-accusation.

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nutella is incidentally relevant. I don't care; readers might.

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Michelle responded with suspicion to the unnamed group of people suspecting her for Day 0 stuff. nutella was one of them; that's only clear given the name in the quote.

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This exchange doesn't look like an association to me. nutella pulled the "I posted this kind of thing too, why am I not evil?" prod, and I don't think that's a standard approach to distancing. Small point.

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Michelle invoked nutella to back up a self-meta (which was to disparage self-meta), suggesting Michelle trusts nutella at least as an authority on how she plays. This again doesn't look like typical teammate interaction.

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As is too often the case with Michelle, here's a read and I don't know what inspired it. Okay.

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If I recall correctly, this was a strong support of nutella -- given that Michelle also felt good about S~V~S (at least early in the game). Both S~V~S and nutella had voiced some suspicion of Michelle, so it's a dually-magnanimous reception. S~V~S was a civilian; that could suggest dissociation.

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Michelle accused Dizzy of TMI when they called nutella town. If Michelle is a mafioso, this accusation only works if she has TMI. So that's something.

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Prods 'n' things

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Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.
I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.
I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.
Nutes/me/SVS can’t all be bad
I town read all of you until Nut ignored my question earlier and said she is ok with my lynch.
So what's your point?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:17 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.
I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.
These are the posts that initially made me suspicious of you, by the way. Would you say you're very reactive like this normally?
yes

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:16 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.
I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.
Eh? Is a civilian nutella invulnerable to errors?
Yes when is about the player whe knows better my meta in this game.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:26 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 pm I tried to stay caught up today, but the thread started moving too fast.

anyone have a tl;dr on why LC is getting votes? Is it just to save Jay?

@Dyslexicon Hope everything is OK with you, I will miss you, you made the thread a fun place.

I always find it disconcertingwhen one or two people take over a thread. I felt good about Dizzy though, so BOTD for now. i am gonna try to catch up totally, but for now am OK with my vote where it is.

linki,

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.
I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.
Nutes/me/SVS can’t all be bad
I town read all of you until Nut ignored my question earlier and said she is ok with my lynch.
So what's your point?
You said earlier that me and Nanook were two of your stronger town reads, yet we have both voted for you. You seem to be able to separate suspicion of you from a person being bad in those case, why not nutellas? Did I miss something? I admit I am not fully caught up.
Nutella is the player who knows me better than anyone in this game. I have small expectations from anyone else.to read me based on meta.

Things take a severe turn here. nutella had voiced a little suspicion of nutella previously, but as soon as the word "lynch" appeared, Michelle lost her shit and turned hard against nutella. This continues the trend: I think this looks compatible with a civilian Michelle responding to wrongness, or a mafioso Michelle trying to fend off a civilian suspicion -- it looks less like the distancing of teammates. Michelle holds nutella to a very high standard here, fairly or not.

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After Day 1 ended, Michelle relented. The read is a bit topsy-turvy.

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Prodded me about nutella. Don't care.

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Prod a la mode

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Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 pm Yeah I'm getting unusually sketchy vibes from a lot of Michelle's posts. This far into the game and I haven't felt the screen scream "Michelle is town" at me yet -- means she's probably not.

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
you ignored me until now. As expected.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 pm I mean, Nut, how did you know Mac is villager when everyone wanted him lynched?

Why didn't you answer at my questions?

Why you expected a wagon to be formed to vote me?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 pm Why are you underwhelming? nutella

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:42 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 pm Yeah I'm getting unusually sketchy vibes from a lot of Michelle's posts. This far into the game and I haven't felt the screen scream "Michelle is town" at me yet -- means she's probably not.

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
you ignored me until now. As expected.
No? I believe I've stated a few times that you were in my poe and that you haven't caused me to townread you
You ignored my questions. So yes, you ignored me. Doesn't matter how many times you read me wrong, I know I told you at least once about this and I don't remember to see an answer at my post.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:06 pm What if Nut is scum with Jack?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:05 pm I did not purposefully ignore you. I do not know what questions you are referring to. Come on.
There is no possibility, for no one on this forum, to not see a quoted post. Come on.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:50 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:58 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:36 am Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum

Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.
How do you know there may be 2 PRs?
Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.
Why are you so concerned about Jack?

Back to suspicion. It's a roller coaster. Again this looks more like a) civilian indignation or b) fighting off a civilian who is right. Neither works for a mafia team with both of them. She even gave nutella shit for missing a post that had been quoted. When things get that petty, I tend to be moved toward dissociation.

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Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:08 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:05 pm I did not purposefully ignore you. I do not know what questions you are referring to. Come on.
There is no possibility, for no one on this forum, to not see a quoted post. Come on.
I still don't know what you're talking about. When was it? Help me out?
I can't search on phone so fast. Look at your notifications

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:10 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:17 pm Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine
You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?
I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.
Can you rephrase this please
I had a TR on Svs day 1. At Eod I said she is not present, and I realised her 'case' on me is fake. Today Jack came but I don't think town Jack would make that reads list. So I am reevaluating an old read because is not deserved.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:12 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:30 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:08 pmWat
You still didn't share your reads iirc.
This? Is it just you asking me to share my reads? I did so. You must have missed it
not just that, I am sure there are more.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:09 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:50 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:58 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:36 am Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum

Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.
How do you know there may be 2 PRs?
Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.
Why are you so concerned about Jack?
What?
What make you say it's fake shade? I didn't adress at you more than the discontent of you ignoring my posts. and when I attack Jack you have something to tell me so fast.
So you are concerned about Jack.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:37 pm I feel like everyone should have a pretty developed POE pool right now. There are seven not-yous and two of them are no good. Even two solid civilian reads nets a workable reduction, and I think we can do better than that.

Let's go.
SVS
Jay
MP
Michelle
LC
Epi
Nanook
@Michelle this was sometime after you asked me that. I guess I never responded to you directly, I apologize for that, but if you have read my posts you should have some idea of my reads. To update this a bit, Nanook is tentatively moved up for the claim, Epi is tentatively moved up for probably not killing MP, and the SVS/Jack slot moved down a bit for poe reasons and something that vaguely pinged me when he came into the thread last night. That leaves you and LC as the most likely scum in my eyes.
Cool so Jack went down for a certain not exposed reason, but I am the baddie. With LC. I know LC defended me but that, even if he is scum, doesn't make me scum. You don't look at all interested in solving, but in throwing someone on the chopping block

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:20 pm I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.
I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:18 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:10 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:17 pm Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine
You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?
I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.
Can you rephrase this please
I had a TR on Svs day 1. At Eod I said she is not present, and I realised her 'case' on me is fake. Today Jack came but I don't think town Jack would make that reads list. So I am reevaluating an old read because is not deserved.
OK but from my perspective you're only half addressing Jay's question here. You're explaining why Jack became a priority suspect, but you're not explaining why you've completely stopped caring about the Mac train and in fact turned around and shaded me for defending Mac when I thought you agreed with me that the train was bad. Can you talk more about that?
Yes. When the game has players that can each one talk good enough to keep themselves out of suspicion the only clues that can be found in the thread are the TMI moments. I wish to know if your read on Mac is not TMI. I see that wagon on Mac formed by LC, Jay and Nanook. And M7 but that is less important.
Maybe I am idiot but I don't see LC as bad. Jay as much as I took this game from his slot looks not like Jay from the previous game, so idk if he is scum, Nanook is un-cc-ed PR. So.. maybe I am wrong about that wagon.

I try to find answers. But this is bad and everyone put me at the wall like this is a bad thing.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:28 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:20 pm I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.
I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?
I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.
Explain your point, mayne i didn't get it.

Remarkably, all of these posts are consecutive within Michelle's post history. This is a real-time exchange that elapsed 28 minutes from 1:09 PM to 1:37 PM my time. If they're teammates, then that means this would have to be pretty elaborate theater. I have my doubts.

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Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:40 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:28 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:20 pm I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.
I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?
I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.
Explain your point, mayne i didn't get it.
To me it looked like you were calling out Jack saying "both PRs" as potential TMI/slip. I think that's an unfair judgment to make on his wording. There's no reason not to assume there are two PRs.
Was the meaning of his post that he 'assumed'?. I think it looked like an affirmative sentence without doubt.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:54 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:42 pmI was convinced he is lying.
Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?
Idk. What would i gain from accusing him based on a wrong perception?
Yikes this is bad
Why?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:54 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:42 pmI was convinced he is lying.
Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?
Idk. What would i gain from accusing him based on a wrong perception?
Yikes this is bad
Why?
You punted on the question and instead threw it back to jay with "why would I do this if I were bad" when imo the answer to that is fairly obvious.
No it's not. Obvious is the need to obtain a mislynch. Why are we fighting here? Do you push now for my lynch, imagine my green flip, will you be happy for it?
Why were yesterday the equality until 3 mins before Eod and Epi, LC, Mac and you were at 2 votes ?
Maybe a wolf wasn't in immediate danger.

Did you think at it?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:11 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:54 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:47 pm
Idk. What would i gain from accusing him based on a wrong perception?
Yikes this is bad
Why?
You punted on the question and instead threw it back to jay with "why would I do this if I were bad" when imo the answer to that is fairly obvious.
No it's not. Obvious is the need to obtain a mislynch. Why are we fighting here? Do you push now for my lynch, imagine my green flip, will you be happy for it?
Why were yesterday the equality until 3 mins before Eod and Epi, LC, Mac and you were at 2 votes ?
Maybe a wolf wasn't in immediate danger.

Did you think at it?
Sorry I don't understand the question
Are you sure about that?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:10 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:11 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:54 pm

Yikes this is bad
Why?
You punted on the question and instead threw it back to jay with "why would I do this if I were bad" when imo the answer to that is fairly obvious.
No it's not. Obvious is the need to obtain a mislynch. Why are we fighting here? Do you push now for my lynch, imagine my green flip, will you be happy for it?
Why were yesterday the equality until 3 mins before Eod and Epi, LC, Mac and you were at 2 votes ?
Maybe a wolf wasn't in immediate danger.

Did you think at it?
Sorry I don't understand the question
Are you sure about that?
I have to admit i didn't structured it well.
What is yellow is your question and my answer. I don't think is obvious.
From the green part is my oppinion.I think you beat around the bush about scum reading me and you should focus on more evident scum actions than my words, which can be (is not the first time) easy to misinterpret because of the way I am wording my posts.

I say I flip town and I wonder if you will be happy to see my green flip.

I show you that with 3 mins before Eod the wagons were tied at 2 votes. One idea is that no mafia was in danger. What do you think about this?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:13 pm No, I would not be happy if you flipped green. But I increasingly believe that is unlikely and you aren't giving me any better ideas about who to lynch.

I think there is some chance the d1 wagons were all town, but a fairly small one. I think it is more likely that LC or Epi was saved.
Who and how saved them?
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:46 pm Are you saying you think everyone who had votes on d1 is town?
I am not sure. But may be. What if they are all town? The tied wagons I mean.
I know I am villager. I see on you sparkles of towniness who are defeating my paranoia.
I town read LC and Epi.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:18 pm So Michelle, maybe they were all town, and maybe you knew that all along.
You really want to see me dead? Nothing tells you why I don't give up?
I don't know they are all town, it's an hypothesis. I saw in many games that if no wolf is in danger they don't interfere with the mislynch.

How could I save anyone when I didn't even self press or switch my vote on Mac?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:19 pm Or you're hard defending your teammate LC
Look, I am villager. Maybe I am an idiot and I was too honestly answering at Jay's 'test' and I jumped to conclusions not enough thinked in the game, but you tunneling me and reffusing to think at anything else is not a good thing if you are villager.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:34 pm Nut is 10:30 pm. I will answer in the morning.

It's mostly from how they worded some posts but to give examples I have to search.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:19 pm Or you're hard defending your teammate LC
Look, I am villager. Maybe I am an idiot and I was too honestly answering at Jay's 'test' and I jumped to conclusions not enough thinked in the game, but you tunneling me and reffusing to think at anything else is not a good thing if you are villager.
I'm not refusing to think. I am trying to find your townie spark and your posts just keep pinging me as bad. But I could be wrong and I'm trying to see different possibilities. I think there are varying chances for any of LC/Epi/Jack/Jay to be scum, and that's a dangerously large poe pool at this point so for now I am voting for the person I can point to the most reasons to suspect, and that's you.
My postcount speaks for me.Just saying.
And when I am scum I reread all posts to not receive this kind of heat.
And i am less jumpy at anyone for any scum move.

Remember how town mislynched GMan in the last game. Remember the hydra game in december when you were sure I am scum. I don't feel I have to give more self meta for you.

More of the same, albeit non-consecutive. Michelle dedicated a huge portion of page 3 of her post history to arguing with and dealing with nutella.

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If Michelle is a mafioso, then this is a classic discredit of a civilian. Michelle could be innocent here too; what matters is that it's not the stuff of mafia teammates.

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The antagonism persists in Day 3.

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nutella's stuff not already covered

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nutella's suspicion of Epignosis was driven in part by his reception of Michelle. If nutella is a mafioso and Michelle is a civilian, this is an easy way to set up a scapegoat.

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nutella stood in defense of Michelle re: ~subjunctive mood~. Means little to me.

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Purely balanced/neutral waffle. Okay.

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Michelle was nutella's backup lynch when the Long Con red peek was revealed false. Not sure I'd expect such a thing from teammates, particularly when the peek was known to be false by the mafia in the first place.

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Conclusion

I don't think nutella and Michelle are mafia teammates. I can see arguments for either/or, but not for both.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:12 pm [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

The basis for your vote is my report on my own compatibility -- something I have no reason to think about at all until you ask me.

It's not based upon your review of that compatibility on your own terms.

What?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:04 pm JaggedJimmyJay
What's the number one reason you can't be mafia teammates with Long Con?
What's the number one reason you can't be mafia teammates with Michelle?

It should be pretty apparent that I am not Long Con's teammate given not only the violence between the two of us, but the violence that preceded between he and Dizzy. It's not just mutual distrust -- it's righteous indignation, it's pissing me off with sarcasm, and it's my initial belief that Nanook's red check on him was real.

When I've accused Michelle, her responses have often stopped short of full-on No-U. If she is a mafioso, she has shown trepidation in returning fire -- perhaps fearing the volume of my voice at EODs.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:53 pm Your instincts are wrong Like, yeah, I can see why my LC interactions don't look great, because I'm never super confident about my read of him. Like I said I've always had a hard time reading him. He's just been sort of generally in my POE for most of the game.
You're no longer in a game state where you have to wiggle about on instincts. There is a wealth of analytic evidence, whatever you may think of it. What do you think is the best case that Long Con is a mafioso?
His reaction to Nanook's fake peek didn't feel natural.
He is compatible with Michelle, who is my other top suspect. (Yeah that's POE not a reason but whatever, you made the analysis so I'm not going to restate all the points there.)
His relation to the Mac wagon (both as a participant and a beneficiary) looked sketchy.

Who should be lynched first?

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