The Syndicate

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:10 am do you know how to apply to host a game?
ive hosted 3 in the past and i want to host one here

I can give you the details. I’ll PM you soon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:28 pm Then I guess I don't understand what you mean by "I didn’t even realize epi was the other scum."

He was focused wholly on having been mistaken about nutella and overlooked that nutella's partner was you -- the player he'd been keen to eliminate. So he can accept that he was 1 for 2 among you.

I am Sloonei.

Biggest fingerwag goes to the general disinterest in a no lynch

Menace and WaywardSon, it was a pleasure to have you both aboard. I hope you play with us again soon.

Go Chiefs

Good game bad freezer contents. Needless to say I would have done some things differently here, but that’s why you made me dead.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:22 pm ok im shouldnt make excuses but im still going to

your poll system is broken, very broken
thought it was majority lynch

uh
and thats it

I started playing without polls. I’ve played with automated counters. I’ve been all over the Internet for this silly game.

I think the poll is the best.

Don’t sweat the balance, Colin. I don’t feel cheated. Thanks for running the game!

Go to hell for making me “chicken wing ice cream” though

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:37 pm jesus you guys have 50 posts per page

Yeah. My old 100ppp setting is no more.

I think Epignosis looks like the most capable busser in the set. The hesitation there would be "Epignosis doesn't bus", which is an argument that I don't really care about.

With 12 players originally I would expect 3 mafia members. 9 vs. 3 isn't ideal for balance, but it's better than 10 vs. 2 in what I presume is a non-mountainous game. An independent is also a plausible balancing mechanism, but that could be anything and no clear evidence yet exists.

I don't think any of the other three votes for sprityo were incompatible with bussing, so if I drop dead I hope y'all will be vigilant in assessing that crew beyond just a single vote.

I looked over the sprityo interactions. I don't feel like posting everything, but here's a road map:

Good looks: Sloonei, nutella, novaselinenever

Meh: Epignosis, MafiaMenace, reywaS, Spacedaisy

Icky: G-Man

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:20 pm Hey so who did nova replace? Daisy?

I thought he replaced WS but that was a misunderstanding????

Daisy bad

*flicks cigarette into the flames, walks slowly away from explosion*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:02 pm G-man is an agent of chaos. That's the feel I'm getting from this EoD. He has no intention of bagging a red today, let alone solve the game.

I would be interested in dissecting this take if we had time. Later, for sure.

I like him less the more he posts, so I’m open

sprityo
Epi
Daisy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:42 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:38 pmWhen he's bad, is he incapable of doing those things?

1. I haven’t seen him so effectively mimick himself that way before. The best he’s done was probably his champions tournament qualifier, but those people couldn’t even know what was being mimicked.

2. I don’t think that’s the right question to ask. Capability and truth don’t share a ton of space in the Venn Diagram of the universe.

Then let's try a different question:

If I were to move my vote, where would you have me move it?

And don't be a smart ass.

Have a go at sprityo.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:38 pmWhen he's bad, is he incapable of doing those things?

1. I haven’t seen him so effectively mimick himself that way before. The best he’s done was probably his champions tournament qualifier, but those people couldn’t even know what was being mimicked.

2. I don’t think that’s the right question to ask. Capability and truth don’t share a ton of space in the Venn Diagram of the universe.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:07 pm Sloonei is subject to some of the most inexplicable lynches I ever see with a frequency that is bizarre. This would be another example. People are terrible at reading him.

Why is that?

Your case against him is based heavily on his treatment of you in ways that remind me of every wrong case you’ve ever rendered against me (other than “making things happen” which mean nothing to me). He is playing his token civilian game the way he always plays it, and it doesn’t look inauthentic. He hears this shit in every game, that his questions are only there to look a part or that he isn’t really hunting or whatever. It’s almost always wrong. It’s why he gets lynched in every game I host — I’m the only one that seems to understand consistently and I have to tell people to stop it.

If he’s bad this time then hooray I’m a doofus, but I haven’t seen a single compelling reason to think so.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:11 pm nova is town. I was wrong about his predecessor.

why?

Radiating authenticity, and what he just said about sprityo existed almost verbatim in my own brain.

nova is town. I was wrong about his predecessor.

Sloonei is subject to some of the most inexplicable lynches I ever see with a frequency that is bizarre. This would be another example. People are terrible at reading him.

Only beef with nutella is that her Sloonei suspicion looked a bit fake

Rainbow of the prevailing wagons:

Sloonei
nutella

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:51 pm You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

I have no problems with conjunctions. I use them all the time.

You do have problems with hedging and that’s where those words led.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:51 pm You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 pm JJJ gives Sloonei the civilian stamp.

he dun fooled ya

Could be, but that has actually never happened before.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:03 pm Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

epi wouldnt need to be helpful
its minor towncred that would go over everyones head
its lucky that im forming a read on that opinion

I don't think I have ever played a game in my life wherein nobody has received civilian credit for being helpful.

Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

JJJ gives Sloonei the civilian stamp.

Mixing up Menace and WS is fine, though I don't believe you've stated how that error impacts your read on either of them, Epignocchi.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:17 pm G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.

JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.

MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.

nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.

reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.

Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.

Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.

sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.

WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:16 pm So the thread isn't locked at night?

I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:58 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:12 pm im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.

This does not sound like a post written by Epignosis, and many of the reads warranted the Russtifinko Color-Coding Method® for their meandering and hedging.

please gimme cliffs on why nutella should be lynched

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:01 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

This nonsense assumes human performers are perfect, and they absolutely aren't -- on any website (I've played on so many). I recommend an immediate adjustment to that mindset or you've limited yourself for no reason.

Meta should be relied upon sparingly, but never use it ever is ludicrous.

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:51 pm Checking in. Be back soon. EoD in progress....

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:33 pm OK. As nothing is happening at the moment I will check back in in the am.

Checking in is fine and good. Repeatedly projecting one's next arrival is less good. It reveals consciousness of oneself being perceived as a slanker and a desire to avoid that perception.

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:16 pm So the thread isn't locked at night?

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:48 pm had gotten use to that. Nice to know.

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:17 pm Also could be dangerous. If you are on then you become a target. I wish my home site locked the thread at night.(thats not a complaint just have gotten use to it playing other places.)

Hey wait what, it's the night and the civilians are still hunting for me, what the hell is this?

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm Seriously though WaywardSon is a glowing red beacon of mafia. The posts are ugly. Y’all can read them and figure it out.

lol Are you considered good at this game? Just wondering.

Not anymore. But I'm giving you this post because you asked.

Thanks for showing me though that you know I am a civilian. Let's explore your response.

I, JaggedJimmyJay, a guy with at the time 8 shitty posts and no good vibes in my favor, have just shit in your Corn Flakes. Your Corn Flakes are covered in my shit. The nerve of this JJJ guy, right? He's probably a bad guy trying to capitalize on my being new, or on my being low in reads, or in X.
-- You spent zero words in your response or any ensuing response since exploring my alignment or my motives. You merely suggested I might suck at Mafia -- whether I suck or not, that implies my purpose was to hunt and that you were already aware of that.

So, bad.

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:48 pm I've played enough with MM to know trust his instincts for now.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Your nutella vote is assigned to another human being who is not you. Accountability, sir. Accountability.

Then you responded at length to Sloonei with a bunch of things that can be completely true and still have no bearing on your alignment in this game.

[mention]G-Man[/mention]

sprityo hates being suspected when he is a civilian. It gives him diarrhea or something. So naturally I voiced suspicion of him, he threw his toys out the pram, and I thought it looked authentic. I remember him being correctly suspected in at least one game we were both bad in, and he treated it as comedy instead of a cause for getting cranky.

Seriously though WaywardSon is a glowing red beacon of mafia. The posts are ugly. Y’all can read them and figure it out.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:28 pm WaywardSon is obvious mafia. Spacedaisy is nothing which is bad as far as I care.

Epi good. Sloonei good. Menace good. nutella good. sprityo good. G-Man good. reywaS good.

There I solved the game. Back to football.

weak

The presentation is weak, but the reads are real and I feel pretty good about them. This game looks pretty well solvable just on behavior. The civilians are showing themselves.

WaywardSon is obvious mafia. Spacedaisy is nothing which is bad as far as I care.

Epi good. Sloonei good. Menace good. nutella good. sprityo good. G-Man good. reywaS good.

There I solved the game. Back to football.

Here I am forgetting about EODs. I am a 19-year veteran former all-star riding the bench to provide "veteran leadership"

sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:06 pmI said nobody thinks about it that hard to make a linguistic point.

I didn't say that anyone does that. I would rather argue about this than play Mafia frankly.

There is no need for a person to make a conscious decision at the moment of speech I am going to say "literally" in a context where it would not be accurate because I desire to add emphasis and levity to my commentary. Instead, it is a trend stemming from habit with origins in that purpose. I would wager that nearly everyone who uses the term incorrectly is well aware that the topic in question is not truly "literal" if pressed. To issue corrections is therefore a waste of everyone's time and serves no greater purpose. Yes, thank you for that, I don't give a shit, I said what I said, these commas are also incorrect, I don't give a shit about that either. "Could care less" is much the same phenomenon, and while that one drives me nuts, it's just as silly to cram corrections into a discussion when a proper interpretation was already achieved.

Linguistic precision is only useful in a world where communicators can interpret inflections, tones, and intentions.

Now, if the dialogue involves English as something other than a first language, then there's a purpose.

Improper usage of the word "literally" is literally the point of that tendency. I won't say that it is a clever or interesting thing for people to do so, but to render *corrections* is to miss the social queues underlying the trend. The appeal is drawn from that inaccuracy: even when something is not a literal truth, proclaiming that it is a literal truth anyway adds emphasis and levity.

sprityo is bad. I'll see you gang tomorrow.

Sloonei voted for the Patriots. This guy.