The Syndicate

I miss all of the newcomers from this game.

speedchuck has been here about 35% of time I’ve been here and has been a mafioso three more times than I have.

You have burned me. I have been burned.

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:23 pm i'd like to state, for the record so nobody here gets any funny ideas about me, that my reads are not usually this good

The next time you are wrong about one thing I am going to write a ten page case against you

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:18 pm I want there to be a crossover game with the Syndicate and Flight Rising sometime

My god would our community metas mesh well ^_^

We have already begun discussing that very possibility.

After games like Great Gatsby, Phenon Origins, and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, where everybody did nothing and the mafia yawned their way to victory — I don’t know how this is still an argument.

A more active game doesn’t guarantee a civilian win, but it clearly improves their chances. There is probably a ceiling to that law somewhere, but we haven’t hit it yet on this site.

The perfect game burglary was colonialbob and speedchuck as mafia.

7 total players though.

Minimalism didn’t have a mafia team. It was everyone vs. one. I’m not counting it.

[mention]Tsaiah[/mention]
[mention]abyssum[/mention]
[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]
[mention]RobotNerd277[/mention]

If y'all like, you should feel free to hang out with the gang in the Discord server.

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:27 am Was afraid to laugh about it in rthe thread lest i mess something up if it was real or nk bait hue

Yeah I thought it was total crap meant to draw a kill, and I even tried to encourage that by talking with him about a possible godfather.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:02 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:59 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:57 am In which the mafia never submitted a kill.

We had all three of them in a narrow process of elimination pool before any night phase took place. It didn't matter.

Kinda does. Kills change the pace. If the cop had been killed, TH would never have been cleared. If Jay would have been killed, analysis posts and thread momentum may have died. People change their minds pretty quickly and tinfoil exists. It takes a couple night kills and a couple of mislynches in a heist to bring the game to lylo.

I thought Mac was lying about being the cop the whole game TBH.

My analyses were nice to instill confidence, but the prevailing wisdom was still never in favor of any of the mafia members. The game may drag on longer with some kills, but the civilians had this thing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:57 am In which the mafia never submitted a kill.

We had all three of them in a narrow process of elimination pool before any night phase took place. It didn't matter.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:46 am Y'all ready for JJJ to annoy you?

You prepped for this irritation?

Whether everyone could keep up or not, the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the biggest reason this game turned out the way it did.

I disagree, but then what do I know when I only got to read half the thread?

If 25% of your posts are spam, and you have 1,000 posts, that's 250 posts other civilians have to deal with that have nothing to do with anything.

Frankly, I am never going to be impressed just because somebody posts a lot. That's easy to fake. I can do it (and have done it) if I have the time.

It doesn't have to be "impressive", but there is so much strategic value to it. MP blowing the thread up, even with a high spam content, drove up the posting rate of other players. In so doing, our capacity to judge everyone else improved accordingly, and we eliminated more than half of the players from the suspect pool before we even had to lynch the first person.

The civilians showed themselves brightly from the word GO, and that simply cannot happen in a quieter thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:46 am Y'all ready for JJJ to annoy you?

You prepped for this irritation?

Whether everyone could keep up or not, the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the biggest reason this game turned out the way it did.

Yes I already said that more or less mate keep up

Yes, but you haven't had people calling you wrong in multiple past games for the same thing.

Y'all ready for JJJ to annoy you?

You prepped for this irritation?

Whether everyone could keep up or not, the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the biggest reason this game turned out the way it did.

I just want to thank all the civilians who contributed something to this win -- even the ones disparaging themselves. Every single civilian played a part. It was a team effort.

Nobody ever kills me. Even when they try to kill me.

I am honored, to those who spent the money to put me on the team.

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:49 am i very genuinely was SUPER PUMPED about that GTH exercise and really enjoyed participating in it

whew

You have no idea how happy your excitement made me. I introduced that exercise to this site a few years ago, and people couldn't stop giving me crap for it.

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:48 am if that's okay

It's the best thing I've heard all night!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:42 am Players did accrue 0.02 points per post.

Too bad nobody drafted MP.

I wonder if that also played into the price (projected number of posts). MP would be a max contract.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:43 am Hey thanks for not killing or lynching me guys.

Also thank you to everyone who posted a million fuggin posts before Day 0 was over so I could just chill and not be a puffed up dickwagon hubris filled asshole for at least one game. It was nice not to have to care at all about anything.

Also thanks Epi for a cool chill good game.

Thanks for tolerating my shit all game long.

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:41 am holy shit guys this was massively fun and you're all the bomb

no u

[mention]abyssum[/mention]
[mention]Tsaiah[/mention]
[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]
[mention]RobotNerd277[/mention]

Having all of you for this game was absolutely fantastic. You all fit in here beautifully, and I am grateful that the MU tournament provided a means to bring us all together for this game. I hope there will be more in the near future.

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:38 amOH MY GOD

abyssum and Tsaiah have played in one game ever on The Syndicate.

And it's The Perfect Game.

Coincidence? Hell naw.

I'm going to crylaugh if speedchuck is the winning contestant and stays ahead of Kyle in the 2018 charts.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:32 am On that note, not to be rude, but did marmot even Do ANYTHING? Does he still get a win?

Marmot actually ended up with 42 posts, which is more than enough. In most games that's a low-middle poster, not even a lurker!

He actually played a pivotal role too when he found a reason to vote Robot which both contributed to a proper lynch and also made him look better.

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:32 am Oh i think it 's the winning contestant , rather than player, that gets the indie win?

Yep. The contestants are the ones accruing fantasy points based upon which of us they put on their rosters. The winning roster earns an indy win (though I suspect there may be ties unless the doctor blew it up).

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:30 am Wait what

I’m glad I checked this again before going to bed

We confirmed that sprityo is mafia and you are his last partner.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:27 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:25 am Oh, holy fuck.

Guys, I hate to burst your bubble but this will not be a civilian win.

The surviving player with the highest fantasy point total will win the game as an independent.

Every living civvie currently (I would assume) has the same fantasy point total, since all we lynched were mafia and the mafia did not get a NK in.

Ergo, every living player will win the game as an indie aligned role.

Nope. That's for the contestants.

Seriously sprityo, there were multiple moments where I was ready to give you civilian credit. I thought you looked pretty genuine at face value. The interactions were in conflict with that, and it made for an uncertain read. POE would have doomed you, so you've made the right call, but hold your head high. The circumstances were brutal.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:47 pm This game proves that every day 0 should be 50 pages.

Were it only.

Trying to shimmy in some fantasy points in case it ends early.

LINKI

Okay.

[mention]sprityo[/mention], apart from my previous post there, I really do appreciate that. This would have been a lot of work and heartache for all of us, and I respect what you've done. I hope everyone does. Believe it or not, I have conceded as a mafioso before myself. Sometimes it's just proper.

Alright everyone. I hope we realize what is at stake here.

This has become an even more historic achievement than I was talking about in the wake of the Robot lynch. I was referring to a lesser sort of perfection, we'll call it a "no hitter", in which the civilians never lynch wrongly (but still lose at least someone to a night kill). That has never occurred on The Syndicate in a non-burglary.

But now we have an opportunity to do something truly incredible, something that I suspect hasn't happened before on the vast majority of Mafia-dedicated websites out there.

Civilian win in a full-length game without losing a player.

That's a true perfect game. I have wondered about this before, imagined what it'd be like and how difficult it would be. I never expected to actually be in this position though, more than likely one proper lynch away from achieving the holy grail of civilian Mafia. If we make this happen, nobody will ever be able to take it away. Ever. It will be the greatest glory I have ever been a part of in this damned game we all like to play.

So let's treat this Day 3 with the proper reverence, and more importantly the proper urgency. It's LyLo.

I’m having a laff.

The failed kill also adds a mislynch, assuming the ratio is as expected.

An honorable concession would save us all so much time and trouble.

*picks nose*

DharmaHelper has set a new Syndicate record for the most posts ever achieved by a player who doesn't care.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:27 pm If I wanted to defend them I'd have done more than troll-posting.

That's pretty much the point. You didn't want to defend them, because overt defense represents a link between you, but you wanted to do something to dissuade their destruction.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:40 pm -Jay and Colin turn the suspicion away from Alien onto Aby. I'm increasing not feeling the best about Jay, despite his super helpful analysis posts

I'm sure there are plenty of moments in my posts that might bug an investigator. It's the nature of being a player who talks about everyone in such detail and with such frequency.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:18 pm Perhaps I haven’t thoroughly read, did “I don’t want to nitpick this apart” Not tip you off to that?

Linki: no, I’m not. When I get a desktop, maybe some sleep I’ll feel up to it. But right now I’m gonna bugger off because I’m only 18 hours into my day and don’t need my cranky ness making me look more stupid than I already have

Do whatchoo gotta do my man. When you return though, it'd be ideal to know who should be lynched if not you.

Remember, Day 3 is LyLo.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:13 pm When there’s no contrast in a list of reasons to think about someone. It means either they’re as suspected, good or bad. Or there’s evidence of both good and bad and it should weighed appropriately. And the third which is lack there of

I'm not sure what you mean by this in the context of what we're talking about. Could you please restate, and quote whatever point you're addressing?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:11 pm “The GTH leaves Robotnerd as a negative read across our board of 6 players as well. My vote will go here today unless i find something in her short ISO to lead my otherwise.“

The piece right below where you quoted.

Why do the GTH reads mean anything? Her alignment is not dependent upon that. This is your opinion, not the opinion of the player population at large.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:11 pmThe same thing coincidentally happened when I voted alien. Aesthetically speaking someone is on the bottom of s list for a reason. Just like there’s a top of the list. The red was simply marking the bottom player, which usually happens to be a person’s biggest suspicion or last choice for town

Before you were familiar with my case, what made Robot bad enough that she deserved her own color, her own tier on your list, as compared to other people like DharmaHelper or Turnip Head or Marmot for example?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:11 pmLinki: so I just have nothing good about me then? Is that it? The closest I got to that was “I can’t count against it.”

If that's your perspective then you haven't thoroughly read what I have said.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:05 pm Linki:Jesus, man just cause I didn’t say “jay is supa-town” doesn’t mean I suspect you. I said you worded it badly. Take it as you will

I don't need people to call me "supa-town". That is meaningless. You made accusations:

"he frames to promote a worse look."

"He throws mud on my robot read without taking into account that"

These imply that I have an ulterior motive. They're your words. The first line there literally includes the word "frames", as though I am piecing together a picture with the desire to make you look bad rather than the desire to figure out your alignment.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:59 pmHe throws mud on my robot read without taking into account that I went over his interactions post later. He could’ve editted it appropriately but he didn’t. Instead he quotes it separately below and goes like what?

No, sir. Absolutely not. Let's review:

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:59 pm RobotNerd277 - It's been nearly 48 hours since her last post. Whether that indicates giving up, or simply a lack of commitment to the thread is beyond me. The case against her is....Well I can't recall specifically the case (much like what i said previously in voting for alien last day phase). The GTH leaves Robotnerd as a negative read across our board of 6 players as well. My vote will go here today unless i find something in her short ISO to lead my otherwise. Any direct comments you can give me before i start this JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn't take into account that you went over the interactions post later, because when you wrote this post containing that very read that I "threw mud at", you had not done so yet. I am not going to give you advance credit for something that happens later when I am assessing what happens now (at that relative moment in your post history).

This is the problem. As of that moment, you had no idea what my case was. You seemed to have no idea why Robot was getting so much shit. And yet you still colored her red, as the most suspicious person in your opinion. I cannot figure out why you did that, and to me it looks like you felt like you were obligated to do that.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:05 pm Jay, my takeaway from your Robot/alien interactions is that they soft defended eachother and at the same time tried to appear not teamed. some weird stuff like that

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:06 pm Which is to say, i think it's a good enough reason, but not on par with what sold me on alien. It's certainly a better argument to lynch robot over DH

These posts came after your reads list, meaning my case had no bearing on your decision to color her red. My case was irrelevant to that post. So why should I have taken this into account then? What sense would that make?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:50 pm @sprityo

Click

Thanks jay, way ahead of you

Are you casting suspicion on me in your response to Russ? It looks that way, but it isn’t clearly stated.

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Click

abyssum wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:19 pm good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever, people

i can see Jay is doing some analysis and i've elected to completely and 100% ignore it until i look through everyone's ISO on my own

Good idea.

Guys don't look now, but Google [Bot] is checking out the thread.

I will say a couple things to hopefully get the train rolling:

1. I am less confident in my suspicion of either sprityo or DharmaHelper than I was in my suspicion of Robot.
2. If we want to win this game in historic fashion, then we must get it right. Day 3 is LyLo.
3. Any hunting you all can provide is crucial to helping us get through that LyLo. If I am wrong about anything, the easiest way to discern that is to come to your own conclusions.