The Syndicate

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:08 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:51 am I'm caught up and now my brain is just jumbled. There's enough new players here I've never played with before that I'm having trouble differentiating who has said what: Lime Coke, Son of Anarch, ilario, Dolby.

Also, I keep missing Dizzy

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:56 pm We need a POE pool of 6 with all 4 mafia in it. That equates to needing 6 town reads (not including either oneself or SPF). At the moment that feels like a steep number to achieve. Quick exercise for anyone willing to engage:

If you had to bank the game on four people being town not including SPF, who would you choose?

Myself, JJJ, Dizzy, SoA,

Also ilario

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:01 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:13 pm pretty sure it's correct at this point for some vt to claim watcher, who wants to do that

Oh this happened Day 1. Good thinking TSP.

SoA claimed immediately afterward, so I do like his initiative in doing so, and am willing to call him town for it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:01 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:49 am Dizzy - looking back I think that some of the stuff that I'm worried about with JJJ applies here
falcon - don't remember a word they've said rn
G-man - same
ilario - towny, triad 2 posts better than posts near start of game
JJJ - have some level of paranoia towards here. This is most relevant in a world where G-Man and Jo are both town
Johanna - null. I don't think their day two entrance changes anything for me wrt to her either (there may be good JJJ points here). The only thing that looks even remotely bad is her characterization of TSP's behavior.
LC - vibes
Marmot - can be town
NAA - hank_scorpio_fire.gif
SOA - vibes
Sloonei - probs good
TSP - town (obv)

gn

What do these "vibes" reads on SOA and Lime Coke mean?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:01 pm @Son of Anarch I know you're kinda following along, but I'm uncertain where your head is at, because it honestly looks to me like you're agreeing to a lot of things in your recent posts, but not really pushing anywhere.

I saw you mentioned recently that you're between voting for 2 people right now, who are those people?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:03 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:58 pm I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

Jo and G-Man both posted in signup thread that they'd be MIA Day 1 due to irl plans, so I'm willing to at least write those two off as coincidence.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:56 pm Looks fine t'me, I just don't find the chart particularly helpful to me. It would probably be more helpful for other people.

It's particularly nice when town-JJJ is dead and needs to shout his reads to us from the grave.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:05 pm A number of my reads have oscillated somewhat and it's only middle of Day 2. Lime Coke, Johanna, TSP, and Sloonei are the primary ones that have done that for me. I'm not terribly concerned about that. For me, I think I spent too much time focussing on only the players that I could interact with at the times I was here, and have slowly expanded my attention elsewhere. That's led me to a bit of a suspicion of Dolby, and good feelings about ilario. There is still a group of players I don't have a solid grasp on: Axehole, SoA, falcon, G-Man, and I'll add JJJ to that mix too.

I do agree that mafia is difficult, and by substitution, this game is difficult. Letting it feel or become easy is a quick way of letting a win slip from our grasp due to complacency.

I'll continue working on my list of unknowns, but that will come later today. I'll probably passively read the thread, but be doing other things the next few hours.

I also have some thoughts about Sloonei's proposal of discussing who we think carried out the poison. My thoughts might not be relevant, but I plan on pursuing that topic later this day phase.

As for a trustfall exercise, I'll probably partake in one. Never done one, sounds fun.


I will certainly not read the whole game thread again. I haven't even read the whole thing through. I will look at ISOs instead.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:29 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:01 pm @Son of Anarch I know you're kinda following along, but I'm uncertain where your head is at, because it honestly looks to me like you're agreeing to a lot of things in your recent posts, but not really pushing anywhere.

I saw you mentioned recently that you're between voting for 2 people right now, who are those people?

This is my most recent thought regarding SoA, though he hasn't returned to answer my question yet.

As I've said before, I liked that he jumped at the opportunity to claim watcher at TSP's request, but I might be giving him too much credit there, given that another player specifically asked for it, and it wasn't unprompted.

I would describe his behavior today as agreeable, but not much beyond that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:46 am [VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine


I similarly asked him a question that I want an answer to, and I think he could use the pressure.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:06 pm I digress.

@Son of Anarch come back and play with us!! We have questions and you're kinda sorta a competing wagon now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:31 pm @Dyslexicon are you still entirely solid on ilario and Son of Anarch? My chief tinfoil is that they're both mafia.

Ilario, yes. Anarch, no. Been thinking about Anarch during the night, and I get the impression his energy and involvement has been declining (though tbh I'm not caught up at all - in the process now)

SoA has been complaining about the post volume, and his involvement was lagging yesterday, yeah.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:35 pm I was thinking Son of Anarch might fit into the Sonny profile from the PerC crossover.

Sonny is my literal twin, so curious what you mean by this =p

Start really strong, get town reads, then from Day 2 onward slow down and fetter off until the early good graces are spent, get chopped, flip mafia.

It's a very good comparison imo. They even have a similar pleasant, vibey nature they bring to the game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:37 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:20 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:10 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

You say that you like “everyone” on this page, but only comment on 2 of the 4. Do tony and I have good traits?

Yep. Good vibes man, good vibes.

Can you articulate said vibes in a manner similar to what you did for Jay and spf?

Best way I can describe it is that Tony seems like a chump and his setup talk was somethin' I also was thinkin' about before the game and I just found your entrance kinda witty

I smell a jib here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:41 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:36 am Man this game ain't spicy enough. You all are being way too careful. So ya know what? I'm gonna toss out a spicy take here and get a temp check:

I think Lime Coke's entrance to the thread was relatively safe in a wolf-y way. Man's dropped a townread on Sloonei after Jimmy already said he thought Sloonei was town and then half his explanation, as that nice lass StayPosi pointed out, was about somethin' to do with what Sloonei did after he made the read.

Oh yeah and as far as TSP goes. Well, I think I might be pickin' up what Sloonei is puttin' down here. Originally I was thinking in my head that TSP agreeing and changing his mind was kinda villagery, but now after Sloonei revealed the meta was fake, I'm almost wonderin' if TSP changed his mind to not try to outright disagree with the meta, but discredit it in a way.

Anyways, that's all I got for now. I'm pretty tired and my eyes are drooping... I'll probably still be stalkin' the thread because I'm doing some raids, but won't bother writing more until the morning.

Quick take here. Lime Coke is town and TSP is the current claimed fruit vendor, and these are SoA's first tow voiced suspicions.

This suspicion of TSP is interesting given that SoA had previously claimed watcher per Tony's suggestion.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:48 am If SoA is scum, his Day 1 is incredibly well-orchestrated and hard to see as being anything but town, but here's another nitpick.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

This post is interesting because he asks Sloonei, not if sig is town, but if he and sig are both town. Very specific choice of words here that I think is intentional.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:48 am If SoA is scum, his Day 1 is incredibly well-orchestrated and hard to see as being anything but town, but here's another nitpick.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

This post is interesting because he asks Sloonei, not if sig is town, but if he and sig are both town. Very specific choice of words here that I think is intentional.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:57 am I kinda want SoA to talk about someone other than falcon. As far as I can tell, that's his only scumread at this point.

The only other scumreads I can find this game are sig, Lime Coke, and Sloonei. And well, you know the rest.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:05 am It's Day 3 and I haven't made a readlist yet. It probably matches a lot of other people's tbh.

TSP
JJJ

Dizzy
ilario

NAA
Johanna

G-Man
falcon
Dolby
SoA


This solve doesn't feel amazing though for reasons that I can't put my finger on.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:31 pm There's some pretty vote records for anyone interested.

Could it really be possible to have a PoE of falcon, G-Man, Dolby, SoA, and Johanna? That literally means that none of the PoE touched the main wagon of Lime Coke.

It's kinda unfortunate that the two people who died EOD2 didn't vote at all. Well, Lime Coke voted earlier in the day, but eventually sheeped spf's no vote

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:46 pm I don't know if I'm ready to call G-Man scum yet. I think he was put in an unfair position to work out of given his inability to participate at all Day 1, and his presumably limited time to contribute since.

That said, I'd prefer a yeet of Son of Anarch, Dolby, or falcon, not necessarily in that order. I think they all have a lot more working against them based on their own behavior.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:57 pm [VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

I want to have my vote somewhere, but it's too early to put Dolby at Y-1 imo.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:16 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:13 am Like... I don't get why you guys are going for me specifically is the thing and I'm worried it might be scum motivated. I even saw Jimmy askin' for an early hammer just now once Sloonei returned.

Tbh, I've talked about you and tried to ping you with questions since the start of Day 2, and haven't heard any responses to them, so what's a marmot to do?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:25 pm I'm not very inspired by SoA's presence today. He starts off by trying to argue with JJJ's solve as a ludicrous approach, but didn't give us anything to work with outside of JJJ's solve. He did try to discredit JJJ and Sloonei, but Sloonei is confirmed town at this point and JJJ is Sloonei.

Outside of that, SoA voted Dolby as the counterwagon. Fine. SoA also pointed a finger at falcon. K.

Did he voice any other suspicions that I missed?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pm Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

~~~spoiler snipped~~~

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:05 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:02 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:01 pm Also that SPF sleuthin' post on sig was so mind blowy I don't even know where my brain is at, like I could barely comprehend it, but it sounded right

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Reminder that I'm pea-brained

Hey, I want cred for this too. I caught it immediately, I just wasn't all flashy about it, cause I wanted to lure more out of him lol

Cred denied. You didn't sound as cool as SPF did when talkin' about it

Jk jk if sig flips wolf I'll think about taking you on a bro-date.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

Uh, I think he's saying that if you are, the hostility building is not helpful. And hearing people out regardless of alignment is always better. This post is a bit weird though.

It's not weird if ya know what's knockin' around inside my head right now

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

Uh, I think he's saying that if you are, the hostility building is not helpful. And hearing people out regardless of alignment is always better. This post is a bit weird though.

And by the way, the post you're referring to isn't the one I responded to

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm And yeah gonna echo my pal Dyslexicon’s take here. No way I’m votin’ Ilario here and he’s decently town read by everyone, so you’re admittin’ to just making a vanity vote.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:17 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:21 pm Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:25 pm A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:17 pm Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:21 pm I was just about to bring something up about Anarch that might’ve ended me and Ilario’s mindmeld lol. But yeah, you’ve seemed more in the backseat this day. Though I guess you addressed that.

Question though: What do you think Ilario’s intentions of giving you (and me) a lock town read in the way that he does? Cause for me, I just can’t really see any ill intent in that. OR basically: How do you feel about our triad?

I feel good about the triad. I think you and ilario are the two people I've been trustin' the most so far and I don't really have any reason to doubt that right now. I'm in the backseat 'cause of the high-volume of posts, bein' a lot busier with work now that it's not a weekend, and just generally not bein' too worried about the game state. I don't think ilario had ill intentions behind lockin' us town, but I do want to point out that that is a pretty loaded question. 'Cause either his intentions are pure and he's town or they're not and he's mafia. I'm thinkin' he's town so I'm thinkin' his intentions are pure. It would be pretty brave for a mafia to try and form an alliance like that, but not impossible. However, part of the reason I even trust him so much is because you're also in this "triad" with me and since I have reasons to think you're town, that at least means I'm not gettin' suckered in by two mafia. If he's pocketin', he's pocketin' both of us and that's way less embarrassin' to me.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:32 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:29 pm Also I’m with spf and want to hammer in the fact that we probably just need one mafia flip to break the game open here, or at least have a much better understanding. It feels kind if chaotic right now, but it feels more chaotic than it is, because the solution is there. So if you’re town, just do all you can to get there.

Kinda agree with ya there, considerin' how the game state has been goin'

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:38 pm ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:04 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:02 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Yeah, yeah. I can see that but hey don't worry, as long as ya guys don't hammer me before I'm able to out my finals n' stuff it's all good

You think it’s good you’re getting chopped?

That's kind of a loaded question. What I'm sayin' is that obviously bein' chopped here is bad, but if you guys at least give me enough time to out my final reads then I won't feel pissed about it.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:05 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:03 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Scum is you, G-Man, Dolby and Falcon. Rest is town. I think that’s it.

Well that can't be right seein' as how I'm town. I thought you town read me earlier? What changed here?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:48 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:47 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:45 am I’m about this close to hammering Soa now. Blessings or forebodings?

You're already votin' me, but you can hammer Dolby instead.

I’m voting Dolby lol

Well, then keep your vote on him

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:38 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:37 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:47 am Has anyone claimed watcher yet I’m getting impatient

Yup. I'm watcher.

But now we know this means you're not

Unless...

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:40 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:53 am You know it's kinda weird because I got the sense from Lime Coke's opening he didn't worry about town reading people so early, but the way he qualified that ilario read with "it's dangerous" kinda has my sensors goin' off a tad.

Ok fine

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pmOh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

I'm not actually scum reading spf here, to be clear. I'm not really reading her as anything, at least until I fact check myself lol. And I'm more than willing to listen to other people's opinion here. In any case, game is still young, so lettuce see what happens.

Regarding Lime, I feel that unless consensus is horribly off, I'd say he's probably town siding quite a bit if he is in fact mafia. Which I guess is possible. But I don't know, I don't really feel it. Or, I feel like he's actually happy about the town reads he has as opposed to not happy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:01 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:58 pm there are at least three zero posters and I thought everyone was townreading lc and anarch

I think about everyone is town reading anarch. Lime has been voted and sussed a fair bit, but as far as thread consensus right now I guess it's "eh maybe town".

And your reads are weird to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:02 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:01 pm Also that SPF sleuthin' post on sig was so mind blowy I don't even know where my brain is at, like I could barely comprehend it, but it sounded right

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Reminder that I'm pea-brained

Hey, I want cred for this too. I caught it immediately, I just wasn't all flashy about it, cause I wanted to lure more out of him lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:08 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:03 pm Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.

Lol that's the spirit! =p
And yeah, I agree, also because I don't really think there are four mafia among the posting. Four seems like a lot, and maybe I have too many town reads tbh. But we do not speak about that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:43 pm Actually

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Ilario, Sloon, Jimmay, Anarch, SPF - Town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:53 pm I think Lime Coke is town and might feel more strongly about that than I do about ilario or Son of Anarch being town. That's not really a "slight" on the latter two; they're fine.

Can you do some whys on this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:14 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

He kind of reminds me of that one player in last year's champs who role played in Game 1. =p
I think I've seen stuff from Anarch that mafia rarely says, and in general, town tells are way more reliable than scum tells imo. I may or may not feel inspired to go back and see if I agree with myself.

Right now I feel pretty good about at least five players being town. If I'm wrong on one of them, I feel like they are forced to town side quite a bit, which I'm then fine with. If I'm wrong on more than one, I'm not doing a nice job. And here is where I get my usual "but strong players" worry. But actually, history has told me that in a game with a lot of strong and active players, reliable town cores are likely to form, which in turn can break the game open quickly.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:08 am I'm going to attempt making a full ordered list, but just know that I kind of hate this exercise and I could second guess a lot of placements that ultimately doesn't end up mattering lol

Ilario - Husband material. Even if he's pulling off the deepest pocket of my career, he would be husband material.
Sloondog - He's doing his town things, he's not doing his one scum thing, and Jimmay says he is town.
SPF - I really like how she brought up the Sig mismatch thing, and I also feel good about our interaction. Funny thing is that her claiming stoned alleviated my worry around the one post that stood out the most to me lol.
Jimmay - I have followed his reads and thoughts, and I think our reads are pretty much identical or only minor variances, and there is of course no need to be paranoid!
Anarch - Not familiar, but I think he's done things that mafia pretty much just doesn't do. Creds if he is tbh. Also like his direction.
Marmot - I have no issues with The Marmot.
Dolby - Is probably fine. His posts are fine.
Axe - I don't know really.
Lime - I'm not quite convinced on Lime tbh. I feel he is very spongy, and I didn't like his woe is me post, cause it read more like he thought it was unfair that he was read mafia rather than it being wrong. Still appreciate his activity and solving, and not really interested to chop today.
TSP - He certainly has posts. Probably maybe not teamed with Sig? Could easily be town tbh
Falcon - Don't know, and don't particularly understand his takes. To be fair, he's not typically the most active or consensus player in general to my knowledge.
G-Man - There's nothing to read really.
Johanna - Honestly, those posts leaves nothing but mhhh in my mouth.
Sig - I read the thread/didn't read the thread, no good. And his approach to me felt like buddying. Unconvincing attack on Anarch, kind of feels like a crutch.

Anarch and above are pretty comfortable town. Add Marmot too, if I'm feeling a bit frisky.
Don't really have active suspicion on anyone except Sig.
Something like that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:39 pm Anyway, I went back to look at Anarch's ISO. And I agree with myself that there are certain things that mafia almost never does, like saying the game lack spice then adding some, saying they're town as fuck, saying they'll make an enemy out of the next people posting. So I'm still happy to be in a triad with him and Ilario. New friends ^^

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:44 pmI can like posts from tone which is what I said. If I'm going to pocket it won't be like that anyway.

Anarch instantly called me mafia for essentially going agaisnt his idea of claiming. Whihc again I'll follow with what I said before.

1. You want to out a town PR role, never good.
2. gives the mafia targets. You can say watcher will look which is all well and good, BUT that also straight up means watcher is going to be on that person leaving everyone else open. Not to mention watcher claimed so they can just go for him. Also sorry it isn't fun and against the spirit of the game to claim D1 and I'm sticking to that as a good reason alone regardless of strategy not to claim.
3. The whole case around me is dumb and seems like everyone here just has confirmation bias going on. So not really going to go out of my way to play super hard and still get lynched since people decided to go with an easy day 1 and/or just dislikes my view on claiming.

Alright. As I asked you earlier, do you think Anarch openly fishes for a role claim as mafia like that, if it's clearly anti-town?

Also, this game has four scum in it, and I haven't seen you have many suspects yet. I assume you plan to get a vote down?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:52 pm Inb4 Sig/Anarch team

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:08 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:05 pm Hey all, bad news: internet outage in my area. I’m using the last of my data to be here

The struggle is real. Seems like most people are away for EoD in any case. Hope the magic of internet returns to your life soon!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:10 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:06 pm Ah. I see it’s dead anyways, huh?

Anyone wanna make things interestin’ while we still can?

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Interesting.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:20 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:17 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Jain the dark side. Triad unite.

To be clear, I'm also fully on board with Sig chop still.

(Also, call me Dizzy, if you please. I do love that nickname. ^^)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:32 pm Ok, Anarch was one

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:54 pm Anyway - Ilario, Sloonei, Jimmay, SPF, Anarch, all town.
If Sig is mafia, maybe take TSP out of the PoE or maybe I'm dumb. I wouldn't take Lime out of PoE though.
If Sig is town, don't freak out.
Get G-Man and Johanna to talk more.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:09 am I quite like Johanna actually. I like that she picked the exact same Anarch post as awkward that I did, I like that she didn't go "michop bad thread consensus bad" (though I don't know if that is actually AI or anything), and similar to Jimmay, I do have a slight positive lean on her not considering the watcher (though logically, this is probably a non-point)

I also kind of think Axe is town? I don't know his scum style though. It would have to be a bold one if scum. I probably don't have enough actual backup to call this, and meta digging is boring. What do you say, Axe?

And now I'm pretty sure I have way too many town leans, wow surprising

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:17 pm I forced myself to put together a read list on an almost gun-to-head basis, because my mental sorting of this game has been a bit disturbed by SOD2 and the sig flip. This happened:

Dyslexicon
Sloonei
Lime Coke
TonyStarkPrime

ilario
Son of Anarch
Marmot

NotAnAxehole
falcon45ca
Johanna

G-Man

I a experiencing a ton of cognitive dissonance about that second tier. It's making it very difficult for me to form a proper POE pool.

Why is Lime so high for you?
I'd say Lime, Tony, Anarch, Marmot are all worthy of some love and attention for me at least. The two latter less so.

Actually, maybe I don't have as many town reads as I think lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:25 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:31 pm No worries. I just don't see the need to complicate the game until necessary. I'm an agreeable enough guy, sure. Heck, me even writin' this post is pretty agreeable, wouldn't ya think? But I'll tell ya what, bein' scum and bein' agreeable here serves me no purpose. I prefer to be in the center of the action as wolf, gettin' lots of blood on my hands whenever possible. Probably a bit hard to believe, eh? I'm pretty chill right now, after all. That's because I've got no teeth like those scary wolves, heh

Kind of just believe this and Anarch is probably just town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:35 pm @son of Anarch Thanks yous. That’s what I want to hear lol. It’s not really about it being brave as mafia, I just think it would be unstrategic as well, as it would actively box in his then potential team more. I just wanted to know if you had consudered this tbh. I think there’s basically no way he’s mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:42 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:38 pm ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Lime, where my vote is =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:31 pm @Dyslexicon are you still entirely solid on ilario and Son of Anarch? My chief tinfoil is that they're both mafia.

Ilario, yes. Anarch, no. Been thinking about Anarch during the night, and I get the impression his energy and involvement has been declining (though tbh I'm not caught up at all - in the process now)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:35 pm I was thinking Son of Anarch might fit into the Sonny profile from the PerC crossover.

Sonny is my literal twin, so curious what you mean by this =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:44 pm Like, I get all happy just from Ilario showing up. Maybe I'm too deep in it, but fuck it, he's just town, I just know it.

Also, what's the reasons for him not being town anyway? Except game's hard.

I hope this doesn't annoy people now lol

It doesn't annoy me. If ilario is mafia he's played a fantastic game -- better yet than a strong mafia showing in the MURYM game last month. I don't have some clear or coherent case.

The reason I am exploring this so thoroughly is that the best argument I can come up with for either of you to be mafia is that you trust each other unconditionally for reasons I cannot entirely understand.

This is a game where mafia can town read each other and cruise when it starts at 11 vs. 4. I was also thinking of SoA as being a part of that situation.

Alright. I don't know what to say to this other than we're not mafia. I think I'm clearly town as well, though I realise the game is hard. Anarch has been dropping pretty heavily for me, and I think it's time me and Ilario had a staff meeting about it actually.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:51 pm I think Ilario, Marmot and Jimmay are just town. That's maybe not a lot of town reads, but these are strong town reads for me.

I don't like Dolby's push on the general consensus town because I don't really see the substance in it apart from "This bad because I don't like the PoE". If Dolby is mafia, I think the PoE is good.

Anarch is falling down in the PoE for me. Maybe it's because of his activity dropping off, and now my initial town read there just doesn't feel as strong anymore. I don't really know how i feel.

As I read, I like quite a few of Johanna's and G-Man's posts. I don't know if that's really good enough at this stage though. But this may be another reason I'm thinking it's quite possible that Anarch is mafia.

I don't really see many teams that doesn't include Falcon tbh. My actual read on his play is that his posts are probably "fine" within his meta. But I don't really sense that he's going anywhere with his suspicions. His Ilario suspicion has seemed static, and I don't really get the sense that he cares about solving the game.

TSP and NAA exists and have done things.

Ilario/Marmot/Jimmay

NAA/TSP

Johanna/Anarch/G-Man

Falcon/Dolby