The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am Ts latching onto sloon for discussing mechanics felt a bit opportunist and now that they're actually discussing reads he's sinking his teeth in deeper

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.

There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?

You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:42 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm @ts account right off the bat 2.0, yeah, I am spinning everything negatively. That is the point of the exercise. It's not a nefarious agenda. When I make a case like that, I am asking myself whether or not I can see the player as mafia in each post. If the answer is yes, I share my interpretation of their possible mafia motives. That is what I did with your posts. I acknowledged in the post that there are other explanations. But I have concerns and I voiced them.

You do not seem interested in pursuing these other possibilities, therefore you do not seem interested in truly scumhunting.

I feel like you're talking about yourself. You don't seem interested in pursuing anything other than Sloonei being scum which has snowballed from the beginning of the game

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:54 pm ts account It's not impossible for me to view Sloon as bad actually, I just like how fired up he got after he was called out. He got real defensive real quick which I associate with town sloon. Not sure if I should see it like that or if I just don't want him to be bad for whatever reason.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:36 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?

Maybe when I'm not on mobile and can find good examples

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm sloonei and ts being w/w is my new favorite conspiracy theory

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum

Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:57 pm What I am seeing from Mikey is a little bit of between the lines solving which I very much like

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:10 pm Mikey why are you off-wagon? I don't see you pushing Drago the same way you pushed Sloonei to start the game

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:29 pm I dug into leetic's ISO. He's got a good vibe to start with and his points don't seem underhanded or opportunistic, but that vibe sort of deteriorates as the day goes on, which could be a reaction to him getting votes. At one point he makes a point-for-point attack on ted which I found to be a little extra but I generally like the case.

He also made a really interesting point that got lost in the early game:

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

This exchange looks sketchy on Mikey tbh

I came out of leetic's ISO feeling good about his early game and kind of questioning his vibe change later on, and I like his points about ted. I don't think I want to lynch leetic.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:48 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:43 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Why these three names in particular?

It feels like they're working together to win the game.

Can you point to specific moments?

Funnygurl and ts account would be super aggressive in their associations if they’re partners. And funnygurl and ted. Maybe that sort of thing happens in non-syndicate places.

What if you looked into it and got back to me? If they're wolves together I see playful interactions, not super aggression. especially funnygurl -> mikey and funnygurl -> ted. Mikey -> funnygurl has been a more deliberate read, and then ted's just like their pet jackal

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:40 am

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:35 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 am I don't recall you pushing leetic being in his town meta before the lynch was over. Is this hindsight or "I told you so?" And why should long con die if he's overwhelmingly likely to be town?

I wanted to lynch Dragomir yesterday, but I was happy with Long Con dying especially after their self vote. I was pushing a counterwagon to leetic, and had leetic as hard town in all of my read lists rather than a town lean or anything. If somebody self votes, it means they believe they are the best lynch. So, I should also believe they are the best lynch, because a towny will usually believe they are not the best lynch being guaranteed town. If you do not like policy lynches, then this would make less sense to you, probably.

Sounds like following the letter of the law and not the spirit of it. The game is rarely so cut and dry. I feel like you're only taking this stance because it suits your agenda.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:12 am [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:21 pm It wasn't that big of a thing really. Maybe I'll want to revisit it at some point but I think I've moved onto Mikey for now

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:10 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:48 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:59 am ok i gotta ask what's up with radish and turnip accs viewing the thread

at first i saw a turnip and was like "cool" but now there's also a radish and does the syndicate have a root vegetable fetish?

I'm named after a quote from the television show LOST. I actually have no idea where Master Radishes came from, though I did catch him as scum from like his second post in the last game

What do you think, FG? Is this a lost wolf soft?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

I do not care what you think, especially since it is wrong.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:16 pm Dragomir- scum lean
Epignosis- null
Funnygurl555- scum lean
leetic- town
Long Con- light town
MacDougall- null
Master Radishes- null
Sloonei- scum lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- light town
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- null
Turnip Head- null

There are a few players who are likely town who simply have not posted enough for me to get a reasonable read on them- speedchuck and epignosis I would GTH town.
Ted is a problem because their reads don't make sense. Radishes sounds towny in a vacuum but this weird concept of me backtracking must have come from somewhere and I am leery of that. I am probably wrong on sloonei but I will take to task the dismantling of his case anyway. Overall I see a lot of "probably town" simply doing scummy things.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:44 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:42 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm @ts account right off the bat 2.0, yeah, I am spinning everything negatively. That is the point of the exercise. It's not a nefarious agenda. When I make a case like that, I am asking myself whether or not I can see the player as mafia in each post. If the answer is yes, I share my interpretation of their possible mafia motives. That is what I did with your posts. I acknowledged in the post that there are other explanations. But I have concerns and I voiced them.

You do not seem interested in pursuing these other possibilities, therefore you do not seem interested in truly scumhunting.

I feel like you're talking about yourself. You don't seem interested in pursuing anything other than Sloonei being scum which has snowballed from the beginning of the game

That snowballing feeling you mention, you notice it because I have been keeping an open mind, and if you look at some of my posts you can see I postulate alternatives for sloonei's behavior, but ultimately the scumminess keeps piling on. I do not think I can ignore it at this point.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm What is your read on Turnip Head?

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:41 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm What is your read on Turnip Head?

TH isn't a player I read particularly well. His willingness to consider that we are partners is a little bizarre, but I feel like the recent shift to focus on me is more likely to come from a civilian Turnip than a mafia one.
You?

I see a lot of confirmation bias in Turnip regarding the last bit. That is what I'm currently pondering more than the first bit. I do not know how to unpack the sloonei/ts account world, so I do not know how to read players who are looking at it seriously yet.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:10 pm I also am getting turnip and radishes confused, though that may be more due to funnygurl comparing them than me actually thinking about turnips and radishes similarly. Both have displayed no small amount of confirmation bias but have some good posts in a vacuum.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:17 pm Post #342 and #346 seem to be confirmation bias because they show turnip is starting with the conclusion- Sloonei is scum- and then seeing the play fit into that pattern, rather than looking at the play and deciding that they are scum because xyz.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:42 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:37 am

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:17 pm Post #342 and #346 seem to be confirmation bias because they show turnip is starting with the conclusion- Sloonei is scum- and then seeing the play fit into that pattern, rather than looking at the play and deciding that they are scum because xyz.

I’ve always hated reads like this, this is not how this works.

It would’ve been so if someone read Sloonei’s posts, didn’t say anything about them, then 2 days later or so they would’ve made a post, not even having thought about making that post in advance, just like “Hey, I have to make a post now! Let’s see what we can do...”

“Hmm...Let’s type in...Sloonei is scum...why? Well...”

And then he twists everything that he retained from sloonei’s posts in order to make him scum.

But most of the time what people are calling confbias is just bad structuring of posts / they want you to see what they think firsthand, rather than walking you through the process of how they got there.

Did you look at those posts? I am more inclined to think turnip is dipping into confirmation bias and just entertaining a scum sloonei world for a bit, as opposed to their read on the slot actually changing/progressing.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:37 pm Dragomir- scum
Epignosis- null
Funnygurl555- null
leetic- town
Long Con- null
MacDougall- town
Master Radishes- town lean
Sloonei- scum lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- town lean
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- null
Turnip Head- town lean

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:12 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:54 pm
Or maybe I'm a town who thinks the cases on me don't make sense?

Attempting to dismantle an established scumtell does not seem a towny-driven method to escape the noose, in my opinion. I find it interesting that both times I have brought up established scumtells, you have resorted to attacking the legitimacy of the scumtell itself, anyway.

Aight so what else you got going on? Any other suspects? Who else do you town read?

Right now, I am mostly concerned that I have not felt a desire to sponge other players' reads into my own worldbuilding. I also worry about most of my town leans having some kind of issue, like ted's apparent flip on me seemingly out of nowhere, or turnip head's willingness to engage in sloonei/ts scumbud rhetoric. I think town overall is not playing as well as we could be. However, if you are town then you have a history of consistently bagging wolves, so I would like to see more bigposts from you in the future, especially if you rip in the night. Funnygurl is right on Long Con, they seem to be promising quite a bit and giving quite little. Turnip Head claims to have a solid meta read on Long Con and also does not like them. Aside from these things, my most recent reads list remains true. Although, leetic did say a bigpost from them was coming. I look forward to that.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:28 pm Dragomir- scum
Epignosis- null
Funnygurl555- town lean
leetic- town
Long Con- scum
MacDougall- town
Master Radishes- town
Sloonei- scum lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- town lean
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- null
Turnip Head- town lean

I am feeling a lot better about my reads today. I have plenty of town to work with, that I am confident in. I still do not commit to the hard ted town read, even though it is probably my strongest town lean of the three I have. But ted is an extraordinarily good player if they are able to fake the mindset they have been showing while solving. Epignosis plays similarly to Mantichora, in my opinion, but possibly without the pedigree of the latter? Speedchuck is a curious case, because I remember liking both their tone and them as a person, yet I do not feel so emotionally attached to them here.
I would like to see more from Tony as I believe the null read there is due to their content not really impressing upon me. I find that they have made a few good points but lack any sort of followup or worldbuilding.

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:32 pm So, I still do not like Long Con's behavior last EOD. I also do not like the leetic wagon very much; however... I believe speedchuck is likely to be mafia just due to the tendency for a single mafia to stay off lead wagons. Epignosis or Turnip Head could both be mafia as well for this reason, but I have liked Epignosis' play much less.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:04 am Anyways I'm shutting up about this now because I know I sound like a crazy person until someone else sees what I see

I just provided you sound logic that nearly disproves the entire wolf team, and the best you could do is "You were planning for this, the scenario where someone brings up this exact trio, all along and brought suspicion on your partner day 1 when it wasn't necessary just so that you could shut down the three-player associative on day 2!" No, apply Occam's Razor, and you should find your answer.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:40 am I think we lost our momentum after the weird end to the lynch and then 24 hours of radio silence.

Something I wanted to mention was TonyStarkPrime, none of us have discussed him. He was around at the end of the lynch but most of his contributions were about the hammer. Not much actual gamesolving from TSP yet which is quite different from what I remember in GoC where he was flinging out reads with a high degree of proficiency. He was never the loudest voice in the room in that game, but he did enough for other towns to know he was there and doing his best.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:41 pm Hello Turnip I'm not scum.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:52 pm Mr. Stark, why are you town?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:58 pm I agree you haven't done anything particularly scummy but you also haven't done anything not scummy. To me it feels like you'd rather be safe than make any moves at all

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:00 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine I feel reasonably confident with this vote

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:21 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:40 am I think we lost our momentum after the weird end to the lynch and then 24 hours of radio silence.

Something I wanted to mention was TonyStarkPrime, none of us have discussed him. He was around at the end of the lynch but most of his contributions were about the hammer. Not much actual gamesolving from TSP yet which is quite different from what I remember in GoC where he was flinging out reads with a high degree of proficiency. He was never the loudest voice in the room in that game, but he did enough for other towns to know he was there and doing his best.

Radish town
Sloonei town
Ted town
Mikey town
Mac town
Turnip borderline
Epi borderline
Whoever I missed probably borderline
Speed scum
FG scum
Nutella scum

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:24 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 pm Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it

You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:33 pm Long Con was the competing wagon to leetic. They ended up tied. Nobody sprang to save him. What does this mean? I can go either way on it.

I asked this question at the start of the day and it never gained traction. I'd like to put it forth again. We had a two way tie and a third wagon that was one vote behind, and yet the end of the phase slipped by quietly and without much commotion.

What does that tell us?

One of three and a half:
1) Scum wasn’t around at EOD and got lucky (LC’s self vote throws a wrench in some ways this could play out)
2) There is no scum in the top lynch options
3) Scum was actively bussing and didn’t succeed
3.5) scum actively saved a teammate (again LC’s self vote makes this weird, but maybe TH?)

All of these are possible. 2 is the most wide open and I think the most likely by a fair margin. Maybe two scum in thread bussing TH or LC. 3 covers all LC team possibilities. 1 can be dissolved into 3 or 4 team comps, none of which seem likely.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:43 am If MR is scum they're scum with TH I think. FG said in one of her longer posts that that was unlikely. Conclusion: not scum?

Qualify this. What would MR be scum with TH?

MR argued that current lynch options were weak — something as scum you can do to get town cred (notable since MR had votes earlier) or if you have scum partner among the 5ish people with votes. Notably MR left TH off the lowest posters list though TH is fifth, and MR/LC doesn’t make sense with day 1.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:55 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:31 pm voted radish

Team mate with TH?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:05 pm I chose Radishes over Speed

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:03 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 am Leetic feels cornered

What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

Which one do you think I meant? If you had to guess

I don't get the point of this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:05 pm [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Really cool. Goes nowhere

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:09 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:11 pm I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists

This bad.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:03 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 am Leetic feels cornered

What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

Which one do you think I meant? If you had to guess

This bad.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

This bad.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

This bad.

None of these would be bad alone, but there is no good in between them.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 am Turnip Head having 0 votes in this vote spread is curious. If he were town one would think scum would find his button a satisfying resting place.

What's the difference between this and TSP?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:23 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:07 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:56 pm you ever gonna change your vote radishes?

Does it bother you?

yeah 'cause even you don't like it and by not placing a real vote you're not contributing to the vc

it's like you're withholding your voice when it matters

And you are creating a narrative that doesn't exist.

Try this one instead: in the middle of a dead thread where you hadn't posted in a long while, I voted you as I felt someone amongst the non-talkers was a scum. You did not make your appearance until much later. In the time since, I've been online twice: once where I focused on the wagon that I woke up to find on me, and now where I am ISOing a few of the other wagon options before re-evaluating my reads.

Why aren't you harassing TS or Epi for their single-wagon votes?

Or Turnip Head

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm Here's a fun one: A readlist based only on people's current votes:

Good votes - MacDougall, Sloonei, Funnygurl, ts account, Epignosis
Not Good Votes - Turnip Head, Master Radishes, Long Con, TSP, Ted

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:52 pm My day 1 hunch is better than a dead wagon. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

My complaints about their empty posts are still valid, if less sure than before. And I haven't had time to evaluate the case on Radish. Work during a pandemic is awful.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:57 am Sloonei is some sort of hybrid Golden-JJJ monstrosity right now, is this his final form? He just played a dastardly villain in GoC so now he might be supatowning hard

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm sloonei and ts being w/w is my new favorite conspiracy theory

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:32 pm Sloonei vote camping off wagon for so long on a person he has no chance of lynching and hasn't even actually tried to lynch has slowly drained me of all my good will towards him.

I’m only half here today

Talk to me Sloon. You're the most level headed person here. What's going on?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:56 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 am And yes if we lynch someone it should be on their own merits and not on any unproven teammate connections of course

Vote for someone.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:54 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 pm This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine for letting defeated civilian Long Con teeter on the edge while sitting on a lame ted wagon.

I did the same thing. Why TH over me?

Turnip Head commented on it as it was happening. He watched it happen and did nothing.

That's not even close to what happened. I did not do nothing, you literally quoted me where I was doing something. Are you saying I should have voted for leetic, someone I townread and who flipped town, to save LC? I actively campaigned for a different wagon. Why was the ted wagon lame? Why was leetic a better wagon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:41 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm What is your read on Turnip Head?

TH isn't a player I read particularly well. His willingness to consider that we are partners is a little bizarre, but I feel like the recent shift to focus on me is more likely to come from a civilian Turnip than a mafia one.
You?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:59 pm [VOTE: turnip head] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:39 am Dragomir
Mac
ts account
Turnip Head
tedxtr
Master Radishes
Funnygurl
Epignosis
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck
leetic
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JaggedJimmyJay/nutella

Darker green tiers are confident town reads. Light green tier are town reads that I'm not married to. Yellow-orange are suspects-by-lack-of-town-read, orange is leetic.
Are absentee friends should not be forgotten.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 pm This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine for letting defeated civilian Long Con teeter on the edge while sitting on a lame ted wagon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:08 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Turnip Head is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:27 am [VOTE: turnip head] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:19 pm ... or possibly a distancing act?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

Disagree.

Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:36 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:26 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Would you consider voting for him?

I'm mostly just confused

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:43 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?

I would like to see these posts as well.

Why?

Because I always just play how I play, I don't try to play differently, or the same, I just do whatever comes to mind. I thought I'd see what Drago was saying about you held up, but it was really just a trap he was setting, and I was the idiot who fell for it. After I said I don't dance. Shameful.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:34 pm Way too much omgus in this game.

I'm more in OMGIS mode right now. [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Did you eat a bowl of radioactive cornflakes?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:50 pm I think our long con is broken, maybe we can exchange it for a newer model

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:21 am Feels like LC knew he would survive, or else why do that? The lynch was almost over

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:37 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

I hope it doesn't mean he's a jerk.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:22 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:17 pm Does anybody share my suspicion on Turnip?

Lemme go look. Can you give me your angle in a simple concept?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:57 am Sloonei is some sort of hybrid Golden-JJJ monstrosity right now, is this his final form? He just played a dastardly villain in GoC so now he might be supatowning hard

Town read on Sloonei. Complimentary. Possible buddying attempt.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:27 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am Ts latching onto sloon for discussing mechanics felt a bit opportunist and now that they're actually discussing reads he's sinking his teeth in deeper

This is identical to leetic's accusation of Dragomir. Did they both sheep Sloonei? Is Sloonei the sun in the sky?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:33 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.

There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?

You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

This post makes me feel grey. So tentative, that second sentence. Such a tiny prod, this barely even merits a response from Mikey. Does he follow up on this suspicion?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:38 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:42 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm @ts account right off the bat 2.0, yeah, I am spinning everything negatively. That is the point of the exercise. It's not a nefarious agenda. When I make a case like that, I am asking myself whether or not I can see the player as mafia in each post. If the answer is yes, I share my interpretation of their possible mafia motives. That is what I did with your posts. I acknowledged in the post that there are other explanations. But I have concerns and I voiced them.

You do not seem interested in pursuing these other possibilities, therefore you do not seem interested in truly scumhunting.

I feel like you're talking about yourself. You don't seem interested in pursuing anything other than Sloonei being scum which has snowballed from the beginning of the game

This, I don't mind, but it doesn't really advance the scum hunt too much... I can't tell from this post if TH thinks it makes Mikey town or wolf.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:41 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:54 pm @ts account It's not impossible for me to view Sloon as bad actually, I just like how fired up he got after he was called out. He got real defensive real quick which I associate with town sloon. Not sure if I should see it like that or if I just don't want him to be bad for whatever reason.

Starts out strong, then waffles out in the home-stretch. Lack of assertive reads strikes again.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:45 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:46 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad

Twenty minutes after declaring Sloon to be a town read. Why did this 180 happen?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:49 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum

Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched

I floated the idea that Sloon and Mikey are w/w on little more than a whim, and it's pretty unexpected to see TH engaging with it so much, especially after his initial mocking disbelief.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:52 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.

The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be good

On one hand, I completely 100% agree with TH's post here. Love the sentiment, I think he's right about this game.

On the other hand, this is a dismal failure to engage Mac's request on any level that progresses the game/reads/communication at all. Totally sucky.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:54 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:57 pm What I am seeing from Mikey is a little bit of between the lines solving which I very much like

I think this is a town lean on Mikey. I could also picture TH saying "I didn't say I thought he was town for it, I just said I liked it!"

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:56 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

Disagree.

Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

Debatable.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:58 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:03 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 am Leetic feels cornered

What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

Which one do you think I meant? If you had to guess

Ok, Drago. I agree with your assessment of TH. This is garbaggio.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

More of the same empty observationals.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:59 pm My Sloonei vote is super-stale at this point. I'm going to switch to TH. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.

Oh.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:48 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:59 am ok i gotta ask what's up with radish and turnip accs viewing the thread

at first i saw a turnip and was like "cool" but now there's also a radish and does the syndicate have a root vegetable fetish?

I'm named after a quote from the television show LOST. I actually have no idea where Master Radishes came from, though I did catch him as scum from like his second post in the last game

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:14 pm I think funnygurl has too much town cred compared to her contributions. I can tone-read her as town but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Her defense of tedextr doesn't come across as completely genuine to me, either

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:43 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Why these three names in particular?

It feels like they're working together to win the game.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:48 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:43 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Why these three names in particular?

It feels like they're working together to win the game.

Can you point to specific moments?

Funnygurl and ts account would be super aggressive in their associations if they’re partners. And funnygurl and ted. Maybe that sort of thing happens in non-syndicate places.

What if you looked into it and got back to me? If they're wolves together I see playful interactions, not super aggression. especially funnygurl -> mikey and funnygurl -> ted. Mikey -> funnygurl has been a more deliberate read, and then ted's just like their pet jackal

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:12 am [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:21 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:07 pm ooh. what do you think about lc now turnip?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

Disagree.

Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

It's still not how he usually plays as a civvie. I have no clue what he's doing right now, but it's very out of character.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:59 am ok i gotta ask what's up with radish and turnip accs viewing the thread

at first i saw a turnip and was like "cool" but now there's also a radish and does the syndicate have a root vegetable fetish?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:18 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:10 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:09 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:06 pm FG What is your current read on me? I am assuming town, and if that is the case I'd like to see you towncase me.

you're a town lean i'm still thinking ;;

defs not lynch or wagon material atm

Make a case, please. I think this is how I should read you.

my case is:
"oh it's typical mikey"
"damn he really be out here defending his case when multiple people are like "
"but hey he's trying so that's good and it doesn't look like he's buddies with anyone"

i'll admit your argument about turnip head having confirmation bias is a good look for you, although i don't really agree with it

gl with eventually town reading me man

also @sloonei i missed the part where you asked me why i thought you were town: you're separating yourself from dragomir while trying to incriminate him, and your thought process looked organic.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:49 pm lc you have vote on turnip head. would you consider voting anyone else atm? who's catching your fancy?

gotta town circle forming? what do you think about me?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:56 pm ok speeds here.

if not th then which person would you also wanna see die? I dont disagree with your th analysis but the wagon coming out of nowhere along with your sudden endorsement of it is sketchy

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:39 am you had an evolving read on leetic (town --> maf)

and on that note, mac had an evolving read on lc (town --> maf)

and i think people with more of a voice are more important to interrogate than ppl like th who are not as visible in the town's conscience (don't mean that with any offense)

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:28 pm speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:57 pm reads as of page 20:
Epignosis- scum lean
Long Con- null
MacDougall- town
Master Radishes- town lean
Sloonei- town lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- town lean
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- scum
Turnip Head- scum lean

th and lc aren't on a team together
radish and ted aren't on a team together
epi and ted aren't on a team together
sc and th aren't on a team together

ted isn't a strong town anymore i just gotta be cautious

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:41 am turnip and radish are not together this game, even though they're root vegetables.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:08 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm As if the boat needs to be rocked further

steady the boat that is already rocking then.

That's my goal atm. What do you think of ted? I kinda like my vote. Master Radishes is also voting here and he seems like he's got his head on straight.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:11 am closing thoughts before i sleep:

a radish lynch is spicy and i'd be behind it if y'all do some substantial grilling before eod. i want to see him under pressure

i can't shake thinking that ted is town and i don't want him to be lynched, but if y'all do end up lynching him, that's some great info

epi isn't a d2 lynch

i think tsp should die still. someone tell me why he's town and why that's a bad idea

mac and ts are untouchable. sloonei looks pretty good

turnip honestly looks better to me. kinda looks like they don't know what they're doing. wouldn't want a turnip lynch

lc prolly shouldn't die. they should get vig'd though, or copped, or something

speedchuck could die, sure.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:39 pm I advise you guys to vote radish. turnip has been utr but appears to be a lost town moreso than a wolf

radish is trying to project town but there's something calculated about his pushes and his votes. I think that's more likely to be a hit

mikey is right. wagons should consider claiming right before eod

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 pm The hell is Epignosis? I thought he was made of free time right now

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.

I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.

Tell me more

The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred

From what I've seen, Dragomir is a civilian. I don't care that he is trying to earn "town cred." Civilians SHOULD be doing that. Noble enterprise.

The Epi I thought I knew says things like "civilians shouldn't be trying to earn cred, they should be trying to find bad guys". Has your philosophy evolved?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:23 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 pm The hell is Epignosis? I thought he was made of free time right now

I've given epi a pass so far in here. My game just had a deadline and he was heavily involved there. We've got ~48 hours left here. He'll show up.

Fuckin' A.

Does your wife know about A?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:14 pm I think funnygurl has too much town cred compared to her contributions. I can tone-read her as town but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Her defense of tedextr doesn't come across as completely genuine to me, either

So what are you going to do about it?

Well ideally we lynch ted first

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:53 pm well alright at least you're being honest LOL

who would you be voting rn if not for mikey?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:56 pm Probably Epi. He usually does a better job of pushing his thoughts and stating his cases even when no one agrees with him

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pm I wrote things. Big things. Nobody is talking about those big things. Why is nobody talking about those big things.

link?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:32 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.

I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.

Tell me more

The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred

From what I've seen, Dragomir is a civilian. I don't care that he is trying to earn "town cred." Civilians SHOULD be doing that. Noble enterprise.

The Epi I thought I knew says things like "civilians shouldn't be trying to earn cred, they should be trying to find bad guys". Has your philosophy evolved?

Multiball.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:09 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm sloonei and ts being w/w is my new favorite conspiracy theory

Sloonei wouldn't be comfortable with that. He'd try if you asked, but he's not. This is not bad Sloonei and bad TS.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

Disagree.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:42 pm I think Sloonei is good anyway.

GTH on Funnygurl? Turnip? Mac? Me?

I can do this. I have good opinions on all of you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:55 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

[citation needed]

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:45 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.

This is true.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

There is no reason you should have to explain this to Turnip Head. TH was around during that time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pm [VOTE: TH] aubergine

Just to keep it even while I slumber.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:14 pm I think funnygurl has too much town cred compared to her contributions. I can tone-read her as town but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Her defense of tedextr doesn't come across as completely genuine to me, either

So what are you going to do about it?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 pm This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine for letting defeated civilian Long Con teeter on the edge while sitting on a lame ted wagon.

I did the same thing. Why TH over me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:52 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:21 am Feels like LC knew he would survive, or else why do that? The lynch was almost over

If I know I'm going to survive, I'm still not advertising it.

I'm not Jack.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:04 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:56 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 am And yes if we lynch someone it should be on their own merits and not on any unproven teammate connections of course

Vote for someone.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Aw, scooped.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:33 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:31 pm Then don't read them, that's what I did

That's what you didn't do.