The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:52 am Then again, we only have nutella and jay’s word that they’re to be trusted.

I don’t doubt them, and they confirmed that they were responsible for me having a gun last night, but

Y'all would be well-advised to trust us and consider our words. You can't lynch us anyway. Beyond that, it's not especially productive to wonder if we're super secret meanies.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:43 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:38 am I am only barely here at present. Regarding a "mass claim" -- I don't see a problem with it off-hand assuming all rules are respected. The game hangs in the balance after all, and if some key information is withheld too carefully that would otherwise influence reads, then that's not ideal.

Such an action really depends upon the roles in question and how individuals feel they may be able to take advantage of them. I only advise that too much caution right now is of little benefit. LyLo.

Who are you? Role

It kind of ruins my mysterious godly aura to talk about me.

When I ask my intuition what I think of Funnygurl's claim, the following points spill from my gut:

1) While there's a clear motive for a fake cross-claim of this sort at LyLo, she made the claim quickly enough after Epi's that I have to wonder if she even had time to a) conceive of a threat in Epi's claim to her win condition, b) devise a counter-claim that would make him look bad, and c) execute that claim publicly.

2) At face value, I don't think she looks dishonest. I have never seen her lie; I dunno.

3) Epi claimed to be a roleblocker, and countering that to lynch him doesn't even seem necessary. It's a predominantly mafia-aligned role anyway.

I am only barely here at present. Regarding a "mass claim" -- I don't see a problem with it off-hand assuming all rules are respected. The game hangs in the balance after all, and if some key information is withheld too carefully that would otherwise influence reads, then that's not ideal.

Such an action really depends upon the roles in question and how individuals feel they may be able to take advantage of them. I only advise that too much caution right now is of little benefit. LyLo.

[VOTE: Host/spec option] aubergine

Thanks nanook

I have to step away for a while. I hope we don't have hammer shenanigans.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:56 pm What is there for you to consider about Funnygurl's claim, Epignosis?

Plenty. I'm a thinking guy.

I targeted nobody Night 1.

Funnygirl says I targeted Mac.

There's plenty of room for bullshit to have happened to say we're both right. Do you disagree?

There's theoretically room for bullshit. I don't know the setup.

If there's anything that affords Epignosis and I kinship, it's being dickheads.

What is there for you to consider about Funnygurl's claim, Epignosis?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

I don't know what you mean.

It means I'm not going to vote someone without considering other ideas. Jesus. For someone so smart you don't get it.

Consider writing a better sentence next time.

I assume it No lynch can be hammered. I don't know. [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

This is where an unvote option is useful. I get that we don't usually have those in our polls.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

That applies to nobody in this game.

Not true. I do not know shit about hammer voting.

This logic doesn't apply to the player receiving votes.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

I don't know what you mean.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

That applies to nobody in this game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

Everyone needs to keep a hawk eye on the poll at all times. It only takes a moment of coordination. Dizzy and I took advantage as mafia to win Currents.

Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:45 pm This brings up the potential to poke another hole in funnygurl's claim: she claims to have caught Epi targeting Mac night 1, but she also pads that claim with two other players who are accused of targeting Mac: ted and drago. Both of them are dead and unable to confirm/deny that claim. It immediately becomes Epi's word versus hers, and Epi is Public Enemy #1 before any of this begins. It would be a convoluted play, but not an inconceivable one.

I'm considering it, because the mafia only need one more mislynch.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:44 pm Hammer time joke that Sloonei stole.

I didn't get it until right now. But that explains well the response.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:54 pm This may be one of those scenarios where circumstance has outed one of two (like a cop and counter-claim cop) which facilitates a lynch of someone else.

I meant this, by the way.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:42 pm Looked like fun to do a hammer. I didn't hammer, I just put it within range.

What was the STOP about?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:42 pm There's a reason for that too.

Because perfection is only lost for sure if you're a civilian and are lynched?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:33 pm Votes on me is wrong.

What's the story between you and Turnip Head?

I don't have a story.

I noticed.

I haven't heard about that batting average yet tonight.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:33 pm Votes on me is wrong.

What's the story between you and Turnip Head?

The logic is a bit less absolute given that votes are not locked. The mafia would have to swarm the wagon simultaneously.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:31 pm Hammer is five, not four. LC and Sloonei doesn’t make this confirmed

There are currently three votes. If only one of LC/Sloonei is mafia, they can still hammer. Both of them need to be mafia for it to not be a hammer.

Yeah you're right

Hammer is five, not four. LC and Sloonei doesn’t make this confirmed

I readily grant that LC’s failed hammer vote rubbed me wrong.

Very well.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] why did you try to hammer Epignosis?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:13 pm Epignosis, who are Funnygurl’s teammates?

Take your vote off me and then we'll talk.

My vote hasn’t been on you for 40 minutes

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 pm I do not know for sure who the last mafia between TSP and Long Con is. I may be focusing too hard on the self vote, and not hard enough on the interactions between speedchuck/long con/turnip head. I do not believe I need to make a case on TSP, either. I would rather focus on the mechanical dichotomy first, as we are meant to do.

JJJ: It occurs to me that you have me on the scum team solely due to interactions with Turnip Head. I do not believe I fit on your proposed team due to interactions with the other proposed wolves. Perhaps you should re-evaluate me, and not simply focus on the solitary interaction.

Indeed, I will have to do such a dig when I can. I will need help. Maybe you can help.

Epignosis, who are Funnygurl’s teammates?

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:57 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:54 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

does a wolf say this about their partner?

Does a wolf bring up a team of four?

Clearly, the answer to that is no.

Why not?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:54 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

does a wolf say this about their partner?

That was probably my least favorite post of all.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:50 pm By TH interactions, I have cleared Long Con, Sloonei, and TonyStarkPrime. There is only room for one more.

Well, I am town, so you will have to go back to the drawing board.
For the sake of simplicity I will assume you and nutella are town, because not being able to vote a wolf would be unbelievably stupid.
Out of those three, Sloonei is likely clear for saving us from parity, and I agree that Long Con is likely town now that three of the wolves seem to be off wagon. I would lean towards TSP in that group.

You’ll have to sell me on Tony. I am listening.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:46 pm
I’ve seen it before. Hi dunya.

What I am implying is that you’re a major suspect if she is a civilian. POE.

Why are we unable to be T/T in your mind?

By TH interactions, I have cleared Long Con, Sloonei, and TonyStarkPrime. There is only room for one more.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:44 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:42 pm And with that I am caught up. I believe funnygurl 100% here, but just to confirm, I would like her to character claim.

If you believe her, that has significant ramifications. Right now I believe the game can largely be reduced to you versus her.

That is interesting. But do you really think she would counterclaim her partner like that?

I’ve seen it before. Hi dunya.

What I am implying is that you’re a major suspect if she is a civilian. POE.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:42 pm And with that I am caught up. I believe funnygurl 100% here, but just to confirm, I would like her to character claim.

If you believe her, that has significant ramifications. Right now I believe the game can largely be reduced to you versus her.

We have a long day available, and remember that with LyLo hammer voting even a singe errant civilian vote threatens to ruin the game.

It’s a team of three. Let’s find them all while nutella and I can be here for you.

My confirmation bias balloons

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:32 pm So, I still do not like Long Con's behavior last EOD. I also do not like the leetic wagon very much; however... I believe speedchuck is likely to be mafia just due to the tendency for a single mafia to stay off lead wagons. Epignosis or Turnip Head could both be mafia as well for this reason, but I have liked Epignosis' play much less.

This post is a fun chug of wine if the team is TH/Mikey/Epi/speedchuck.

Build me a mafia team gang. 4 vs. 3. You only need three other civilians and the work is done for you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:09 pm That doesn't justify blocking Sloonei, which I maintain is a bloody awful choice.

But I didn't block him, did I?

You tell me you tried, and intention is a crime in Mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:37 pm Also I could almost feel the annoyance steaming from Epi's posts to start this day when nutella and I showed up.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

What did this mean?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:09 pm We still have one kill unaccounted for -- either Radishes or Mac (I think?) was killed by the mafia, the other was not.

This setup is at least moderately wack, and I hesitate to take mechanical assumptions as factual. Somehow it may be possible for Epignosis to target Mac without doing something.

That doesn't justify blocking Sloonei, which I maintain is a bloody awful choice.

Radishes was lynched.

Yes, I should say tedxtr.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm Long Con actually voted himself the other Day phase. Any words for him?

You gave me a whole rash of shit in the GOC after I used this against G-Man.

We still have one kill unaccounted for -- either Radishes or Mac (I think?) was killed by the mafia, the other was not.

This setup is at least moderately wack, and I hesitate to take mechanical assumptions as factual. Somehow it may be possible for Epignosis to target Mac without doing something.

That doesn't justify blocking Sloonei, which I maintain is a bloody awful choice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:03 pm No need to hammer.

The hammer is 5.

I'll pound myself. Nobody is listening to a goddamn thing I have to say anyway.

If you're a civilian that will lose you the game. Struggle to believe you'd entertain something so petulant.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:03 pm If they had BTSC yesterday (I assume that’s what the second ability means?) then there should be evidence of that in their posts.

Generally yes. Neighbors are masons with no guarantee of being aligned together.

No need to hammer.

The hammer is 5.