The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:41 pmI can't do better than that one if it's 6.

Who gives you the willies if the number is greater?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:33 pm Inb4 Dunya asks why I'm not in your PoE[/img]

Give me your own, gif boy

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:29 pm Jay I am almost in agreement with you, and I know you said this is kind of a hybrid GTH/POE but can you give me some thoughts on speed? Why are you seeing him as bad? Or do you just not have a reason to see him as good?

I think there's an argument to tie speedchuck to both Jack and Mac.

The name I lingered over longest outside that group was Spacedaisy. I'll need to revisit her soon.

I just had myself do a sort of POE/GTH hybrid where I forced myself to pick six top suspects period without concern for tinfoils or cases on the rest:

DDL
Elohcin
leetic
Lunalee
speedchuck
Neverwhere

No particular order.

14 players

Either 11:3 or 12:2 is most likely

Project a night kill this night, Day 5 = 10:3 or 11:2

Project a night kill every ensuing night:

3 mislynches to 4:3 LyLo
4 mislynches to 3:2 Lylo

Either way = pool of 6

Disclaimer = the point here is to narrow down suspects as a group and see where we end up, not to force ourselves into a permanent lynch priority list.

Is it late enough for folks to give me some POE pools?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:03 pm It actually make no sense whatsoever, the whole attempt at redirect to a mislynch lol

Yes, "niju was trying to save Mac" is not a terribly sensible reason to gripe with that post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:58 pm This looks more opportunistic post-flip.

Expanding: for the first time all game, leetic provided a read on something. It was the same read other people had already given for that particular niju post. The most likely counterwagon to niju was leetic himself.

I think it was a self-preservation vote disguised as a vote based on a read. Civilians can self-preserve too, but they're honest about it.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:31 pm I've been a bit focused on the other game I'm playing, it's been getting a bit intense

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:04 pm I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.
Looking through the posts of the people in the poll, this was the only thing that pinged me. Reads like an attempt to redirect to a mislynch. [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

This looks more opportunistic post-flip.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:48 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:47 pm Did you chose which post restriction to give me? It was quite specific.

Linki - Do you want me not to study?
I'm only capable of one.
Are you aware of its effects?

Yup.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:47 pm Did you chose which post restriction to give me? It was quite specific.

Linki - Do you want me not to study?

I'm only capable of one.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:46 pm Well not when that someone is unable to properly post

I did that because you weren't poking and prodding before.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:45 pm Who I believe is a she, no?

She is a squid.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:37 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:50 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why did you leave so close to EOD?
My only chance to get to the gym today. There's going to be a GOT viewing thing wif me mates later.

bummer on the flip dude
Ok, I'm just used to you being around poking and prodding us till the end.

When Jay isn't around to poke and prod, someone else should poke and prod.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:50 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why did you leave so close to EOD?

My only chance to get to the gym today. There's going to be a GOT viewing thing wif me mates later.

bummer on the flip dude

I'm off for a while. I'm good with a niju lynch. Preferred alternative if not her is leetic. k bye

I note that rey's role is the first which seems [to me] conclusively civilian in its utility (classic bodyguard). As a mafioso role it is just smoke and mirrors.

"The timing is bad"

Okay, when is he supposed to it?

"We were going a good direction"

Okay, this doesn't mean we're changing direction.

dunya's beef with DDL about this poll smells like bullshit to me.

Okay

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:33 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:14 pm meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.
I don't know what you mean. Meh that I targeted nova, or meh that I drew those conclusions?
Big meh at your new nova thesis.

Well kiss my ass. If you have a better way to use my role and derive conclusions, be sure to let me know

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:39 pmI already discussed why timing of ddl was bad. Check my iso .

If you had his role, would you have used it when he did? We're on a role. Who is to say the direction we were headed in was a bad one?

I may have used it when he did, sure. I also don't think it implies that we are "changing direction". I know my own suspect list was loaded with inactive people. There was a good chance I'd have voted for one of these people anyway.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:14 pm meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.

I don't know what you mean. Meh that I targeted nova, or meh that I drew those conclusions?

Later [mention]reywaS[/mention]. Bummer but shit happens. I hope to see you in another game soon!

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:40 pm I don't think there's anything inherently suspicious about DDL using the role he was given in this way.
timing.

When should he have used it?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:04 pm I haven't been hit with that power, in answer to that question earlier. What is Nova quoting, some Steely Dan song?

I'm not entirely certain, and I won't reveal that anyway if I figure it out.

I'll just say why I poked nova with the insanity stick:

His rate of contribution had been tailing off for a while, and that was generating increased suspicion alongside interactive bits. His earliest civilian credit had faded. Indeed, he was reverting into the form of Guy Who Posts Gifs.

So I decided he'd make a nice target for my weird ability. In past games, there have been instances where civilians have been hit with some kind of posting restriction, and during that period they operated in a manner that made their authenticity more clear. Some people will use any method they can come up with to communicate effectively instead of using the excuse to just piss off from the game for a day. So I wanted to see how nova would respond to that challenge. How has he performed?

I will issue a positive grade, though with a minor groan. He has found ways to communicate within the bounds of his restriction, and indeed he has engaged in almost "cheating" activities (no gripe, I've done the same in his position) that don't really apply to the restriction but may not violate it either -- emojis, raw quotes, etc. He's been generally active as much as anyone during the phase and seems to be trying to make the best of it.

Minor groan: the emojis were shite and offer less tangible communication than the other methods he's used. So those sucked. He hasn't wholly relied upon them though so whatever.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:47 pm If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:52 pm I know why there wasn't a kill on Night 2. I dont know why there wasn't a kill last night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:47 pm If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

Well, really it points to reywaS the most.

I shouldn't have capitalized "mafia". I'm screwing up my own pristine notation.

If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

I don't think there's anything inherently suspicious about DDL using the role he was given in this way. There are plenty of reasons to suspect him that aren't role-related, but this doesn't move the ticker down for him in my opinion. What else was he supposed to do with it?

This notion that roles are predominantly civilian or predominantly mafia means little to me in this game. I'm a civilian who makes it harder for people to post. I don't even think Long Con has to be a civilian based purely on his role claim.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:21 pm I disagree. Generally abilities hitting people at random results in revealed baddies and vigged baddies, which means much more for the baddies than the civs. I've lost count of how many games I hosted where I gave the mafia the ability to randomize someone's actions and it ended up backfiring on them. While in terms of thread, a game where town is constantly attacking different people and not following predictable patterns means more things for mafia to react to. Mafia likes a game that follows a smooth lynch order which they can control.

Is there anything random about what you've done?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:10 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:15 pm bring it nova

Is time for round 2
Didn't end so well for you last time
this time maybe you'll be scum
I'm not but I think you might be
No man I'm a neighborizer

In this case I wouldn't say that Luna outed him then. He outed himself a while ago. I just didn't realize he was serious.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.
Is that what it's called? When you can have bts with others? If so, he is.

It's a variant on that role, not quite the same thing. He had the same role in the bulbagarden game many of us just played. That's why I thought he was making a joke.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:49 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:53 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:52 pm After Jack is done I think we need to start tackling them inactives.
Is there really no one else active who is suspicious?
I didn't say that. But I do think at some point we'll have such a high concentration of civs among the actives that letting the inactives stay untouched will not be optimal.
Going after only inactives can slow the town down this early on though.

What do you mean by this, leetic?

Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:12 pm I need to sleep, it's past 2 am and I have work tomorrow again. Keep the discussion going folks. Don't limit yourselves to the poll. Ask yourselves WHY Ddl would narrow the poll down today. What are his motives for doing so? And have fun!
- Look at the GTH we just did. It's probably a low poster.
- Getting the low posters to post.
- Getting people to talk about them.
- Removing myself from the poll for a while.
- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
- Knocking mafia out of their confort zone. Mafia hates randomness.

Any reason you chose reywaS over Elohcin?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:53 pm

I can be sold on a Luna lynch too. The "evidence" in her favor is debatable.

Y'all should tell me how you feel about DDL bringing us this poll.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:51 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:50 pm But Chinese
Believe it or not this one is more helpful.

Sorta. It's a b-side on the new hot single Jay Insanified Nova

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:07 pm wait till i muster enough energy to reignite my tinfoil suspicions on jay.

Be my guest if you have nothing better to do.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:50 pm But Chinese

Believe it or not this one is more helpful.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:14 pm Nova mind,

Leetic - no relaxed
Luna - relaxed
Neverwhere - no relaxed
Niju - no relaxed
Rey- relaxed

More of this please. Emojis are useless.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:54 pm Jay, please come help me
You must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:28 pmfake

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:57 am @novaselinenever do something

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:28 pmfake

I am literally giving you that opportunity. So far today you're not doing much with it.

Kites wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:44 pm you’d think mafia would rather choose mac for civ points in this situation where your vote doesn’t matter anymore

Could be. It was close enough to the deadline that I am not sure it's so simple. When a wagon is secured on a mafioso and people tack on meaningless votes at the end, those are often the ones that get accused of bussing (trying to salvage some credit once they realize they have to lose a member). Some people will deliberately avoid that.

It's all WIFOM though.

In this poll I'm lynching niju or leetic.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:13 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:52 pm JaggedJimmyJay

I will explain why I have done this to you as the day nears its end.

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