The Syndicate

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:09 am So like I could sit here and bs a read on you that looks good on paper because I am aware that I have a good tone. Like just to prove a point I could do that, but that would be a waste of time since it is hollow and not something I am married to. Why am I not bs'ing elegant reads, iyo? Like my Marmot read was based on small feels/vibes + thread state where I localised through PoE who, on D1, that could be the likeliest scum. But that is a read made after not reading much. Had I been online at eod, I would have voted Falcon. I am aware that my Marmot thing is an eyebrow-raiser. Here lies another wifom question: as scum, and regardless of Marmot's alignment, would I let my one vote and one harder d1 scum lean be so underdeveloped and then visibly not care that much about it the next day phase?

I don't quite understand this paragraph. It's a bit all over the place. To answer the orange question: sure, that seems plausible for mafia you. I'm not sure I would give many players that particular brand of credit if anyone. I have to make some generous assumptions to discard you as a suspect on that basis.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:55 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:44 pm Would greatly appreciate any perspectives on my Boq review. My present view of the game largely hinges on that.
I'm about to run a D&D session, but after I promise I'll look at it.

Thank you.

And regarding you poking me, @Boquise:

The observation about you asking questions instead of overtly scum reading people is fine for the early Day 0/1 period in which I made it. At a certain point these things have to go somewhere though.

You did “poke” me, barely, but I don’t know that you did anything with it until right now. I don’t have the sense that my posts are consequential to you. I am a major presence in the game and wield some influence. You have seemed to allow me to just exist, at an arm’s length, without prioritizing sorting me. To be wary of me is okay, but that seems like a questionable way to handle me as I command some significant portion of game progression if you distrust me.

I’m sick of hearing about this cop check thing, so I will explain the entire thought process that existed in my brain.

- I answered the question in the first place only because I wanted to respect Boq’s exercise. If he had a reason for asking, then I ought to contribute. So I did.

- I thought about it quite briefly. I looked at my chart, saw that Wilgy had four viable connections, and said “if I had a red on Wilgy it might instantly produce a winning POE”. I could not say the same about anyone else.

- If I had a green on Wilgy, it would give me assurance about my own process when charting (not long after Seanzie had criticized that process). It would also affirm as town the most blatant LHF in the game, one for whom I think insights can be gleaned just for how he is treated. Wilgy has probably been mischopped more than any other player in the history of this website. If I have a green on some other player, it’s not quite the same.

- If Wilgy only had one prospective teammate instead of four or so, I wouldn’t answer that way. He fell in the sweet spot, or at least I thought so in the brief time I dedicated to thinking about the question.

Regarding your question in your response to my ISO, Boquise: an example token rationale to derive town core suspects from a Seanzie kill would be that he voiced suspicion of us — certainly of me and a little of Alison.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:57 am This doesn't sound like you? Maybe I have the wrong impression? But you feel like the sort of person who actually wants exchanges?

Not at all. It’s valuable for folks who have received questions or accusations to respond once or twice, to provide basic clarity. It is not ideal for those things to turn into continuous interrogations, back-and-forths, or otherwise consume thread space. That’s what I was referring to. Other people too often have their eyes glaze over at such things and it can stifle the game.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:04 am any other iso's or posts you mentioned that you can spam? @JaggedJimmyJay

Yes. Am away from computer atm but will share soon.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:45 pm You have not analysed the Sean NK to a degree I find satisfying.

Your view of a Wilgy check potentially breaking open the game does not seem to have come to fruition as far as I can tell.

Is that ok phrasing?

1) I think this expectation is unfair but go off
2) It might have. It’s huge in my Boq review. A mafia flip would have broken the game open more, I acknowledge.
3) phrase as you please, poop head

Anyway I’m going to leave this here. I don’t want this argument lording over the thread

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:44 pm @JaggedJimmyJay However, if you are town, I'm curious what you think of the Boq/Fingers interaction I have previously noted.

If you have specifically theorized why this works already I cannot find it. Otherwise I’ll look at ISOs later when I’m not on mobile. Off-hand I don’t know of a reason to dissociate them.

Would greatly appreciate any perspectives on my Boq review. My present view of the game largely hinges on that.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:36 pm As for Wilgy: I have heavily incorporated Wilgy’s flip into my analyses today. It’s a major recurring theme. I AM using that information. Interact with the walls.
Of course you are. That was not my point.

And yes, I will be reading your walls.

What I will not do is going back and forth in a long discussion with you about this and that which totally misses my points and the game state. I'm sure you can argue till the cows come home, but if I think you are mafia, I'm just going to vote you anyway. Similar to how I do it if I see Hally or anyone else particularly strong as mafia. Which is really unfair if you are town. But a lot of arguing details isn't likely to get you anywhere, but I will read and think about everything.

I’m not asking for an exchange. I don’t want that either. But I do want you to deal with all of my content before you tell me it isn’t there.

As for Wilgy: I have heavily incorporated Wilgy’s flip into my analyses today. It’s a major recurring theme. I AM using that information. Interact with the walls.

Dizzy I will answer that stuff later in full, but I want to protest one thing right now. It’s just untrue to say I haven’t looked into the Sean kill at all. I’ve said it’s a major factor in my view of Creature.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:27 pm I think it's relevant if we're discussing NKA. If you just revived the PoE to discuss it for a different purpose, then it's not relevant. I'm very excited to see your NKA of the Sean kill. Haven't gotten that far yet.
I haven’t performed a dedicated analysis of the Sean kill. I might yet if it seems prudent given the time allotted.

Tell me what the Mac kill means for Marmot.
You haven't? Interesting, since you talked about how you thought NKA was important D2.

I don't know what it means for Marmot. But Mac did say he'd tunnel Marmot if Falcon flipped town. So that's why I think it would be relevant in a NKA of Mac. My point here is not really to talk about Marmot though. But to talk about and with you.

Yes, there is value in NKA. There is value in a lot of analytic methods, many of which I am actively employing in this very day phase. I am one man and cannot do everything.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.

I posted a lengthy take on Nate. You should tell me what you make of it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:39 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:37 pm I'll begin here: I think Boq is strictly town now. I found a general town tell that I've never seen fail before. If he is the first, so be it. That plus the detail of what he's noticing is enough for me.
It is extremely important that you expand on this when you're able. I have a different view.
I won't, because I intend to use it again. I'm interested to hear your view though.

I want feedback on this.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:27 pm I think it's relevant if we're discussing NKA. If you just revived the PoE to discuss it for a different purpose, then it's not relevant. I'm very excited to see your NKA of the Sean kill. Haven't gotten that far yet.

I haven’t performed a dedicated analysis of the Sean kill. I might yet if it seems prudent given the time allotted.

Tell me what the Mac kill means for Marmot.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:20 pm You are notably not including Marmot here, which Mac promised to tunnel if Falcon was town. Do you not think that is relevant?

He’s certainly not relevant to the post I was discussing. He’s not in it. Hey may or may not be relevant otherwise, but I was speaking specifically of the “auto” POE that Mac posted.

Sometimes when I put together these walls, they have a paralyzing effect that frustrates me. I understand that sometimes they can be difficult to absorb just for being massive, but I would really appreciate if folks could read them or skim them or look at the conclusions and share your perspectives.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:40 pm There is the question of why Seanzie died over you. One explanation is that you are mafia. There are other explanations, like that Seanzie was onto someone, but it's a possibility I am considering, especially since one of the people Seanzie was "onto" has flipped town and I think another is also town.

The way you and Ender sprang at each other at SOD3, followed by relatively little interaction or pushing after that initial spat, was weird and I said so at the time. You've since clarified that you were scumreading Ender since the day before, but I still think the way you attacked him, calling his posts "fake" etc., smacks of a generic treatment that I don't associate with town you.

Ender hasn't really been around yet since that exchange, so the conversation has not moved. I'd love to hear other folks' perspective about it, and I have called for that -- but at a certain point I need the field to answer those calls. I am not sure where you would get the impression in orange. Saying things seem fake is quite ordinary, for me and probably for anyone.

Were you unaware before I told you this phase that I suspected Ender on Day 2?

Let's ISO Boquise

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Boquise wrote:
RondoDimBuckle wrote: The name "Nate the lesser" implies a greater nate out there. Are you afraid of him? @NateTheLesser
This post made me laugh tbh
You can have a town lean

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Seanzie wrote: I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.
Gut reading this as town

Boquise wrote:
falcon45ca wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
falcon45ca wrote: JJJ and Sean doing a cute lil' dance around each other here.

69% chance one of em' is Maf
Please tell me more, falcon. Tell me everything.
OK, but it'll cost ya.

If you're good at something, never do it for free
You're quite more jokish than in your quali. Albeit i have only D1 so far tbh

Are you feeling more relaxed or something? Considering this isn't a high stakes game tbh

Boquise wrote:
lucy wrote: I thought we were just talking
I think I want to town read lucy

Boquise wrote:
RondoDimBuckle wrote:
lucy wrote: what did you think it was?

lucy wrote: I thought we were just talking

RondoDimBuckle wrote:
lucy wrote: check out Robert Eggars if you want very good films to make you feel very uncomfortable
trying to get in my pocket are you? Or is it put me in yours? I dont know all the lingo yet but Im watching you
I have had people who I got into a good talk about good tv shows before put a blind spot on me because I didnt want to figure out their slot because we were enjoying each others company. They were wolf and we lost so hard, so I am not letting anything innocent pass
I can possibly town lean this. Scum could go at this approach but I find it likelier to be town tbh

Boquise wrote:
EnderWiggin wrote: I refuse to scumhunt on D0 so enjoy me sitting around memeing and pocketing Rondo
Kinda out of nowhere tbh

Boquise wrote:
lucy wrote:
EnderWiggin wrote:
lucy wrote:
EnderWiggin wrote:
lucy wrote:
EnderWiggin wrote:

I am somewhat familiar with everyone in this lobby.

Including you after speccing your game so much lol
lmao, that’s reassuring
Hi.
hello, how are ya?
Tired and distracted, you?
focused and well rested
Ender, did you write your "I refuse to scum hunt on D0" post because of this Lucy post?

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Creature wrote: I'm surprised I wasn't quoted anywhere
Hello Creature tbh
Why are you surprised about this? You were also quoted.

Creature wrote: I have a wolflean already, but maybe I should wait for day 1 to start first
There is a strategic rationale to hide a wolf lean during D0 imo. Why do you think you should wait tbh?

Here's a hodge-podge of Boq vibe reads from the initial Day 0 period. I appreciate the proactivity, though I acknowledge that naked vibe reads like these aren't that hard to post for mafia.

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Same tbh. When I play somewhere new I just kinda go full Me and let them react to it however they will tbh. Good attitude tbh. This is irrelevant to the ISO I just wanted to say tbh

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Just logging as a starting point for Boq's take on Creature.

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Boq projects a certain eagerness to get into the thick of the Mafia experience, and I think his play to this point is a decent reflection of that. He took plenty of stances at least.

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A few people challenged my meta perspective about Creature, so perhaps it's of note that Boq was one to essentially support it. The meaning of this moment depends mostly on Creature's alignment.

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Just a few more quick takes to throw into the cauldron for Day 0 and early Day 1. Tracking progressions as I go.

One trend I note is that when Boq's vibe read is positive, he tends to voice it concretely as "town" or "isn't mafia". When he is not making a town read on someone else, he tends to ask questions or poke instead of defaulting to "scum read". I like that as a general policy, though it likely doesn't say much about Boq's alignment.

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Here's a development of some of those prior vibe reads, on Rondo and Alison. I'm glad that if Boq's inclination is to view both participants in the early Alison/Rondo kerfuffle as town, that he went to the trouble of providing individual, unique perspectives instead of, as he puts it, defaulting to the "lmao t/t".

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I'm not sure I recall Boq giving a clear read on me in this game (other than null), so that's kind of weird. I have 400 posts, and probably had a solid hundo by this point. I'll see if there's anything in the ISO as I go.

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Marking this down for the initial interaction of Boq with Wilgy. I want to see how this develops moving forward. This post on its own power means little to me.

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Alison asked Boq for his strongest reads, and he provided these three answers. It's a little surprising he referenced these lighter vibe-driven impressions of lucy and Seanzie instead of some reads he had developed more concretely. The Mac read is a waffle. Some trepidation is okay, we'll see how it develops.

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This can serve as a summary of Boq's reads into the first half of Day 1. If his POE was pretty much the same as mine, you can click his post here to see what mine was for context.

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I believe this is Boq's first mention of Marmot, which has importance since that's where his Day 1 vote ended up landing. At this point Marmot had very few if any posts, so the question Boq presents here is pretty token and ~fine.

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This comes about 22 hours later, so clearly in that period Boq found reason to view Marmot with some suspicion. He stated his rationale in the second post here, which I have color coded (this time with colors deliberate -- red reflects an assertion of a scum read, orange reflects suspicion, and yellow reflects null or a caveat). The qualifiers present in this read (and in the falcon read before it) are a bit jarring. I get the sense that Boq doesn't want to scum read either of them but does anyway, and places them both in the bottommost tier of his follow-up reads list. That's a concerning moment from the standpoint of authenticity.

This made Boq the lone voter for Marmot, and it was his final vote of Day 1 about 14 hours prior to the deadline. He remained the lone Marmot voter at the time he departed the thread for the phase.

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Unclear why this Dizzy post would be unaligned with Marmot.

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Mac was anti-Wilgy on Day 1, so for his read to be "exploited" would imply that Wilgy is town. Perhaps this was Boq's Night 1 mindset or perhaps not, but it's to be considered within his broader Wilgy perspective.

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k why

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This is an odd moment that recalls some of lucy's controversies. I don't think fingersplints has used "aggressive phrasing" in this game. Interpretations can vary, so I dunno. Much more recently Boq expanded here (click). I don't think that post is aggressively phrased.

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It's decent that despite the previous thing Boq ended up town reading fingersplints to some degree. Whatever the interpretation was of aggressive phrasing, the trajectory of that interpretation wasn't one of opportunism.

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I could argue after a closer look at the first half of this ISO that lucy's concern was at least observant. I wish Boq did more to directly interact with Marmot before this point, because his read wasn't really moving. Marmot was his Day 1 vote after all.

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Logging this as concrete that Boq was aware of my interactive analysis chart and Wilgy's place on it. This concerns me, because Boq ended the day with his vote on Wilgy. I will read on and get more context before I take that farther.

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Eh. Agree or disagree with Boq's premise here (that atypically-styled players are bait), the last sentence tends to invalidate the whole post. The orange thing is also a bit ugly at face value.

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He certainly does, probably more than anyone else. Why vote

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Over the latter portion of Day 2, Boq began a motion against Alison. It could be called "consistent" with the previous concerns about going after players that aren't "standard" for lack of a better word whereas Alison is by-the-book. I might like this moment more if I had a clearer understanding of where it came from and what Alison content is being described as textbook.

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Why not?

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Boquise wrote: out of the lhf folks, I am the most into voting Wilgy.

Boquise wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*
So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?
I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?
First sentence, since when have you known me to not be bullish with making reads immediately? I don't think my track record of reading you is superb. I've read you wrong quite a lot. I think I read you poorly when we first started playing, went through a patch of reading you really well, and then when you came back from hiatus and started playing more intentionally I lost my ability to read you because you were playing entirely new again.

In this game you just seem to be making posts for the sake of it.
this post makes me think back on my discussion with Wilgys regarding him scum reading Mac for the push tbh
hm.

Boquise wrote: [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Boquise wrote: i'mma sleep

my vote is on Wilgy because I think a player who has history (according to Marmot iirc) with mac should not crumble at Mac pressure tbh

Here's the final Wilgy progression. This bothers me a lot on a few dimensions.

1) This is another day phase in which Boq's final vote went to a player that, in that moment, had no other votes. Boq's Marmot vote on Day 1 was a similar case, albeit earlier in the phase. This time, Boq's vote made the poll tally 4-2-1-1-1-1-1-1 (fingersplints-Marmot-Ender-Dizzy-Wilgy-lucy-Creature-Alison). As of Boq's final post of Day 2 (8:12 PM EDT, 7:12 PM per Nate's records), the poll tally was 4-3-2-2 (Ender-fingersplints-Marmot-Wilgy). Neither Day 1 nor Day 2 allow me to say with any confidence that Boq is concerned with impacting the final vote.

2) I already mentioned this earlier, but I don't think the orange bit is a terribly fair viewpoint. It's a lot to say that Wilgy "crumbled", and knowing Mac should not make a big difference with respect to how impactful his pressure can be.

3) Boq did not seem to care at all about my interactive reviews or my chart. I already affirmed earlier in this review that he was aware of it, and of Wilgy's posture in it, and it doesn't appear to me that this made any difference to Boq at all when making his voting decision. Perhaps this is my conceit speaking, but I think Boq has more reason than many others would to at least pay some respect to the work I do in that kind of chart. He was in the game where I produced arguably my strongest interaction chart ever (correctly cleared Hally and Phighter, correctly isolated mafia teammates). I'm not saying anyone needs to treat my work like it is infallible, but it shouldn't be ignored outright. Moreover, this plays into a larger trend with Boq -- his treatment of me in this game. I have been a null read all along, or more recently I get a share of his tinfoil over night kill analysis but still without an actual read. I'm not sure Boq is paying much heed if any, or even attention, to the posts I make in this game thread.

Conclusion

This review represents, so far at least, the most significant production of the ISOs I have been doing through Day 3. I have a lot of concerns about Boquise, and that is a stark contrast to the perspective I had of him prior to this stage of the game. Some of these concerns are at a smaller level, and I don't ask that Boq address every single one of them -- that would not be a valuable use of the limited time remaining in the phase. But some of this stuff needs to be addressed, particularly the concerns I expressed about the Wilgy vote. I would really like to hear from other folks beyond Boq about this review as well, or about Boq in general, because this is the first time in the game he has been subjected to serious pressure of any sort. Let's talk about it.

I'll share my Boq review now while you're around Dizzy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:40 pm Why has it not redefined your view on Splints? If Marmot is wrong, would you not care to argue against his town case? Marmot seems sure.

It's a meta-dependent and small-sample viewpoint that I am not sure pays full enough respect to fingersplints' capability as a player. But he can still be right. I have also had some small inklings of town from splints in this game that I have shared independent of Marmot. It's just not a confident matter, and the bar of "what is town" is elevated now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:37 pm I'll begin here: I think Boq is strictly town now. I found a general town tell that I've never seen fail before. If he is the first, so be it. That plus the detail of what he's noticing is enough for me.

It is extremely important that you expand on this when you're able. I have a different view.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pm @JaggedJimmyJay How capable do you think Marmot is of fooling you?

How much did you care about Marmot's defence of Finger, and how did that inform your view of Finger. Cause it looks to me like you didn't care much at all, while being very aware of it.

I think he's reasonably capable of fooling me in the sense that his game should be respected. I'm not sure it's happened that many times though.

Marmot's view of fingersplints has meant something to me. It has not redefined my view of splints, because I think there are still concerns to be addressed with her slot, but perhaps it has made some difference to encourage my voting hands to other people to this point.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pmI have JJJ in my immediate POE

You'd referenced the notion that we've failed to kill mafia and that "arrogantly" you don't think town is here if you/Mac/myself are all town. Is there more to POEing me than that?

Creature is a player that I didn't have time to fully review in the same form, so as of right now I am still kind of working on gut impressions of both him and the game state.

I appreciate the review you did, Nate. I think some key differences for me are that I am higher on both Dizzy and Creature. Some of my other adapted views through the break will be visible soon in my wall posts.

Let's ISO Marmot

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Ture

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After the events of Philo Mafia 2 and Highway Heist, I may have turbo'd Marmot if he didn't make this read.

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To give the simplest summary of my view of Marmot's meta: when he's town, he makes nuanced reads based upon little details often otherwise overlooked. When he's mafia, his posts are farts. So while this read on Mac could be called a hedge, I like that Marmot is paying attention to little things like "lol" placement.

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Marmot wasted no time in giving the town sticker to DrWilgy, and he presented it with assertiveness. Marmot is probably the player on the roster I would most expect to both give Wilgy special attention and also have good insights about Wilgy's enigmatic ways. So this represents a nice start. It must be stated that in the end Marmot voted Wilgy out on Day 2 -- I'll see how things progress to determine to what extent that is an alarm.

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Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote: I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third
Ooh yes, do explain this one.

Marmot wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote: I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third
Ooh yes, do explain this one.
Hi Marmot. I was nice and voted you earlier, so can you be nice and let me know if you have any thoughts on alignments thus far?
I'm getting there, this is my first time opening the thread since the first hour or two.
Which is why I'm amazed that I found a read from Creature that slots my name as scum with someone else.

Marmot wrote:
Boquise wrote:
Creature wrote: I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third
2/3 of those have been fairly quiet. It is sorta typical to scum read the low posters because everyone sounds so townie and solvy. Is there anything on Marmot that you felt, as you wrote this post, was wolfy?

Given that I'd only posted that I was going to slank until Day 1, I'm also curious about this.

Marmot wrote: For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.

What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?

Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote:
Marmot wrote: For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.

What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?
Just stop being frozen.
Why do you read me as frozen?

Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote: Marmot:

[Let It Go image]

Ok but can you answer my question?

Marmot wrote: Anyway, I do think that Creature's argument to elim me because I am frozen is not a good one. If it's a pressure vote to get me to post content, fine, but I hope he's willing to reconsider at least.

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Creature wrote:
Marmot wrote: Dizzy is drfunky and gay

Creature is now frozen.
No, I'm bored.
Can you answer my question please?

Marmot wrote: [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

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Creature wrote: Oh just noticed Marmot has a wagon
Yeh

This set of posts throws off the timeline of this ISO review slightly, but they all relate to Creature. Creature placed Marmot on an early team of three theory, and this caused Marmot to give Creature a lot of attention thereafter. I appreciate Marmot's persistence here. Small point.

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Marmot went on a minor vote movement adventure toward EOD1. The vote for Dizzy tied him for the poll lead with falcon, and the vote for falcon gave him a 2-vote lead. In that way each of them could be called moderately consequential toward shaping the EOD scenario. The Ender vote made it Falcon 6 - Ender 2 and accordingly made less of a difference. Marmot's progression in this sequence is nicely laid out in his posts. He explored a falcon elimination here (click) and here (click). He then reviewed Ender's progression on falcon here (click) and decided that he liked it less, hence leading to his final vote. I think that this stuff looks nice for Marmot. Given that falcon was town, Marmot had the ammunition needed to stand pat and let the chop go -- but he continued to work and try to find the best option available.

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This kind of mirrors the second point I made in this thread. While Marmot and I don't quite have a Sloonei/JJJ understanding of each other, by this point our corresponding metas have become reasonably clear to one another as compared to [at least my] experiences with most other Syndicate regulars. So, wifom aside, I appreciate the vibe of this demand.

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Marmot's initial takes on Day 2. That strong town read on DrWilgy still stands out. This might end up becoming the crux of the Marmot review, but we'll see.

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This exchange made me laugh

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Seanzie took a few bites at Marmot, and it more or less led here. Marmot doesn't seem to care about the suspicion, which I'd call NAI, and found a unique and separate reason to townread Sean, which is decent.

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Marmot had been suspicious of Ender, and that halfway kinda turned here, at least for a time. For the sake of progression it's fine.

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I'd call this one of Marmot's more important posts. He's not the only one that has stood in fingersplints' corner, but this probably represents the most thorough effort to do so. This is similar to his Day 1 handling of Wilgy, so there's a certain aura of defend-the-low-hanging-fruit that Marmot has adopted. I think he is more likely to bother with this if he is town and legitimately believes it, unless he is exactly mafia with fingersplints.

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Maybe this is the first hint of Wilgy suspicion forming.

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Alright, there it is. We're left to take it or leave it. I'm a bit torn. I'll pose a question for Marmot:

Why was it a significant problem, in your view, that Wilgy seemed singularly focused on Ender? How does this differ from your expectation of a town Wilgy?

It should be noted that this was not Marmot's final vote of Day 2, though it did eventually return to Wilgy.

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Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote: Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
Sean hasn't pressed people?

Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote: Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
Sean hasn't pressed people?
only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game
He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

Marmot wrote: And sean also had one with me early on today.

Marmot wrote: Sorry lucy, I think your perception of sean is way off.

Also, I think he's more likely to fight people than make friends in a mafia game, per your observation of him not making friends.

Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote: Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
Sean hasn't pressed people?
only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game
He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?
two sided, pressing is one sided
He pressed Jay and he pressed me. I call it a back and forth because two people were involved in the conversation.

But now I'm really confused, what sort of pressing are you looking for from him?

Marmot wrote: I think sean is an aggressive player. Different than Mac, but still agressive, I think he has done that this game.

But I agree with sean, I don't know why you are looking for that specifically from him unless you either knew that was his meta, or are that good at picking up on players' playstyles, or have gathered that meta from the thread.

Marmot wrote: [VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:

Sean hasn't pressed people?
only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game
He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?
two sided, pressing is one sided
Why would you be looking for this behavior specifically for me? Please answer this question, I believe it is important.
because you're reading everything and responding with a fine tooth comb, actually putting a decent amount of work into formulating your own reads and responding to odd messages and getting into arguments based off specific wording. being more aggressive would be relative to the effort a player has put into the game

I think the blue part is accurate, but I don't understand how that isn't already the pink part and why you would expect more.

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lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote: [VOTE: lucy] aubergine
if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?
I wouldn't call it impossible, but I also unfortunately don't know the answer to that question because I don't know you.

You probably wouldn't, but I've seen extremely skilled players make silly mistakes before so

Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote: think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw
sean is an entirely emotionless being

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Ok now I'm joking

Here's the Day 2 exchanges with lucy and Seanzie. One might assert that Marmot was too harsh about interpreting meanings like "pushing". I don't really feel that way and found it to be an awkward stretch for lucy myself. He didn't hang on to it anyway (click)

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The word "farts" appears in this review.

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The last vote in this string was Marmot's final of Day 2 (made it 5-3-2, Wilgy-fingersplints-Ender). I don't really understand how Marmot has operated with respect to Wilgy and will need clarification on that front. The orange bit irks me a bit given that pretty much every time I do these charts removing suspects with few associations is a premier goal that I make explicit.

Conclusion

Marmot. Marmot Marmot Marmot. I like the majority of his content, and I think that his overarching spirit of play has been of a town appearance. He is generally within my view of his own town game, and his efforts more or less appear authentic. There's just one signficant BUT that complicates the review, and it's Marmot's handling of DrWilgy. I'm not saying this is o u t i n g, it's just something that needs to be hashed out as clearly as possible. Minds are allowed to change as long as it makes sense for them to change. Gun to my head Marmot is town.

Keep in mind as I post these that quotes are restricted by locked thread limitations, so you don't have direct click access within them. It's basically just read-only.

I tend to view Marmot as town as well. I think there's one significant question about him that I would call "half" answered at this point, and it will be clearer in my review. I'll just go ahead and post that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:19 pm You asked me almost the same question. =)

#slooneistrats

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:16 pm [VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I have iso'd marmot, I think he's probably town tbh. I was mad that he was pushing and made a mistake concerning me

Is there any single thing that most sold you on Marmot?

I have a number of reviews to share, but I will refrain from spamming them in case folks are around with immediate thoughts. I can stagger their arrival.

Did we have a nice nap, gang?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh
Welcome to The Syndicate.
Fleabag and Lion King were easy

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Welcome to The Syndicate.

How to Put the Wolves in a Boq

I hope we all have a restful break. Analyze the poop out of the game if that's your thing, or chill out and do something else if that's your thing. Whatever allows us to finish strong, k.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm @Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?
I'm pocketing him and it's working.

Your move, Jimmay-boop

Be sure to pocket me at your earliest convenience.

@Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?

Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing

The break is a godsend. I ought to be able to keep digging distraction-free.

Let's ISO lucy

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I think that, with lucy, there is value in starting with an understanding of her origins. She comes from a chat mafia landscape, and that likely encourages posts of a certain Discord-friendly structure (one line, sentence > paragraph, stream of thought, real-time > detached). Her games have also largely been very different to mountainous save for champs Game 7. This may or may not prove meaningful, but it's a frame for interpreting lucy.

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lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 pm i got warned about this lobby lol, do you reckon it’ll be a casual or very competitive game?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:10 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 pm i got warned about this lobby lol, do you reckon it’ll be a casual or very competitive game?
if my last game was anything to go by, casual, if Alison is anything to go by, Competitive
will you play casually this game too?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:10 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 pm i got warned about this lobby lol, do you reckon it’ll be a casual or very competitive game?
if my last game was anything to go by, casual, if Alison is anything to go by, Competitive
will you play casually this game too?
I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious
just new and inquisitive, but i’ll certainly try

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:22 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm @lucy, in your Discord Mafia experience, could you describe just briefly how that feels? I have never played a chat Mafia game. Is it a continuously torrent pace? Are there breaks in the action? Do players come and go at their leisure, or do they hover over the chat game all day? Hell, how long is a typical day phase in that style?
the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
Thanks, lucy. That sounds like... the opposite of forum mountainous.

Anyway it helps me to have a more complete impression of where you come from.
course, have you ever played live chat mafia or forum mafia since day 1?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:44 pm so you read people by live chat and are used to short games?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:44 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:43 pm This is also my second forum game, @lucy . (Well, second solo game. I played a hydra game last year)
Please copypaste my question for lucy and ask yourself it, and then address your answer to me if you would be so kind.
^^

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:34 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:27 pm what did you think it was?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:26 pm I thought we were just talking

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:25 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:24 pm check out Robert Eggars if you want very good films to make you feel very uncomfortable
trying to get in my pocket are you? Or is it put me in yours? I dont know all the lingo yet but Im watching you
I have had people who I got into a good talk about good tv shows before put a blind spot on me because I didnt want to figure out their slot because we were enjoying each others company. They were wolf and we lost so hard, so I am not letting anything innocent pass
don't make that mistake again, but don't be paranoid about it, you're that easily manipulated?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:57 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:56 pm A few things I wanna say before we get started for those of you who don’t know. Champs, particularly in qualifiers is incredibly scumsided. The current stats are 54 wolf wins to 19 town wins for qualifiers. Not only that but from what I know there has only ever been one town sweep in qualifier game for champs, and my goal is for us to be the second . Few things I’ve picked up from that game and previous champs games this year that I think might be important for us to incorporate and areas where I picked up previous towns went wrong

-This point may already be obvious to some but : the most important thing you can do as a villager is make yourself an obvious villager. The last town that swept was led by Jjj/spf and they encouraged a playstyle that focussed heavily on finding other townies first before hunting for wolves and the best way to facilitate that is by making yourself an obvious townie and taking yourself out of the miselimination pool and working with open communication to find other townies. Champs by nature encourages a glory hunting playstyle where people want to be the one who catches wolves before everyone and be the one to bury wolves but the most successful towns have always been the ones that focussed more on working with each other and finding other townies before trying to bury wolves. If we can all do our part to raise the bar of towniness wolves will eventually out themselves and either be forced to push obvious townies and further out themselves, bus each other or just give up and lolcat.

- if the game starts too feel too easy it probably means there’s something wrong. The stats don’t lie, this is favored for wolves which means it’s not supposed to be easy for us. People often go for the easiest/least accountable votes on d1 but keep in mind wolves have teammates and I’ve rarely seen wolves bus hard d1 in champs. So if the entire lobby is dogpiling on one or two slots d1 don’t get complacent because we could be way off.
im plagiarizing Illario/happy, who was a wolf in my game, but I found this advice pretty good nonetheless

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:36 pm Because I think one specifically of that list is wolf
speak now or forever hold your peace

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
As opposed to games with strangers, where he acts as scummy as possible.
he'd get away with more, therefore he'd act more scummy. implying he'll be less scummy as a wolf with experienced players who know how he plays town/mafia

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
and also players who may just wolfread him for being the most experienced.
I dealt with that in my homesite

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:50 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:48 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.

I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:08 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:05 pm Second strongest is me and you.
Who fits best with Ender?
Probably Lucy for my sideways positioning with her involved without directly providing thoughts on her.
can u elaborate on this read, like i'm not sure how to make this read without an objective being pushed

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:19 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:15 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:08 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:05 pm Second strongest is me and you.
Who fits best with Ender?
Probably Lucy for my sideways positioning with her involved without directly providing thoughts on her.
can u elaborate on this read, like i'm not sure how to make this read without an objective being pushed
I was asked who I have currently most equity on, and answered.

I didn't put a lot of thought into it tbh.
also doesn't the message imply you have thoughts on me, if so can u share with the class

Lucy started the game with a flurry of posts: 85 during the 24 hours of Day 0. She explicitly indicated that she thought Day 0 was intended as a time for getting to know people more than Being Serious (which, by the way, is a really nice thought for future Days 0 regardless of lucy's alignment). She did not really make reads during this period. Perhaps the Day 0 vibe can be called an excuse. To get a better grip of this I have compiled a bunch of lucy posts from this period that, while not "reads", may reflect some kind of process or effort by lucy to make getting reads possible.

This isn't every such post, but it's many of them. If I double the number to be generous, that gives me 35-40 halfway game-relevant posts out of the 85. That's not a bad rate considering the context of lucy's interpretation of the phase. If that's too generous, I'm not sure the point diminishes much. In any event take this all as a small point, because in the end -- concrete reads have more power.

The content continues through Day 1 and takes on basically the same shape. I could quote all that stuff again, but I don't think it would be an insightful addition to this review. In all, if my counting is accurate, lucy finished Day 1 at 179 posts, which reflects 58% of her current total post count. That's actually lower than I anticipated, because while she has slowed down since the early game, she hasn't fallen off the map. When she is in the thread she seems to make it count at least in terms of being active.

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This was the 8th vote on the falcon wagon and the last vote anyone placed on Day 1. That placement doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The severe language of the suspicion is striking though. This first post is rather one-of-a-kind in the lucy ISO so far (and to my immediate memory, in all her posts this game). I can't recall if lucy expanded on this later, so I'll see.

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Perhaps an early Day 2 indicator that lucy is attentive to Marmot specifically (a theme more recently). In context though it just looks like she's talking to someone who's present in the moment. Her next eight posts in a row all address Marmot. This may mean nothing, but it's logged for future reference if appropriate.

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This post came 22 hours after her previous post. We all work, so that's okay. I'm just noting the time stamp, because it relates to my off-hand view that lucy's activity fell off. An entire day away from the thread will do that.

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This is a strange post. I am not surprised it caused a minor kerfuffle at the time. I think the orange bit is a fair assessment of Seanzie, and the green bit is demonstrably untrue. I am not sure what the mafia agenda is to just "lie" about this, but it also seems like lucy was attentive enough to Seanzie's posts to see him pressing people. She may just have a very different notion of what it is to "press". I'm also unclear on why Seanzie, specifically Seanzie, comes with this expectation. It's just kinda

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Seanzie wondered the same thing I did and lucy provided an answer. I don't really understand it. The description lucy provides for what Seanzie has done seems to be what she said Seanzie has not done. This may be semantic in the end, but I can understand Seanzie's concern in the moment -- that lucy received tips about Seanzie's play outside the game thread. Perhaps that can relate to mafia chat, or perhaps it's part of the warnings she received about the lobby before the game, or perhaps neither.

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Have we ever determined what this was about?

Addendum -- appears to have been this. It strikes me as an uncharitable take.

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Alright. I don't object to the spirit of the thing. I admire the gusto.

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There've been a couple moments like this one where lucy drops a diss on Ender. Meaning may be Ender-dependent.

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Marmot/Boq has clearly been important to lucy for a few days. I think I like that lucy even noticed this dynamic and decided to do something with it.

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This is something I commented on earlier in the thread. By this point my view of lucy had degraded from a comfortable town read to something less than that, and lucy suspected foul play. I appreciate that she directly addressed Seanzie to hash out this point about Marmot and I. It would have been pretty easy to just lay down some shade, but lucy took enough care to ask for someone's perspective first.

Perhaps I am generous there given that she asked Seanzie, someone who had voiced unease about me. Nonetheless it's something.

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She continued to explore this concern about Marmot and I with direct addresses that, at least in the case of the first post here, get straight to the point. That's a nice thing.

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There isn't a "sleep" option in the poll, so this can be taken as an "unvote". She'd been on Ender previously, and this made the poll Wilgy 4, fingersplints 3, Ender 2, Creature 2 (per Nate's breakdown) about 25 minutes before the Day 2 poll closed. The rationale is fine. Ties are horrible in this version of the setup and should be avoided. It might have more meaning later with other flips in tow.

That's it through Day 2.

Conclusion

I'm not sure how useful this was to me. As I suggested earlier, the chat Mafia aesthetic is not especially amenable to a forum-styled ISO review. Many of the points I made in this I felt like I had to squeeze harder than I would like to derive a perspective, because it's not hard to see posts through multiple lenses good or bad. There are little tidbits I like, albeit with a low degree of confidence. Holistically I am less sure about the direction of lucy's hunt beyond exactly "attentive to Marmot and Boq". I am still developing my overall view of the game, but I suspect lucy will fall into a fringe POE region.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm because marmot is a 99% scum read for me

I would really love to hear more about that

I'm ISOing lucy now and finding it to be a difficult exercise. ISOing a chat Mafia player feels almost ridiculous (no disrespect intended to lucy or her origins).

ew dream theater

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:33 pm I also think that in a wolf!lucy world, Dizzy is a possible teammate.
I think your viewpoint is technically valid. Those posts are compatible enough. The only one that stands out to me is her response to you about Mac's reads (that's an awkwardly specific moment to bring up Dizzy). How do you feel about PoopGate?
farts

PoopGate is definitely compatible for some people. Not sure lucy is the type.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:49 pm Can I get some GTH reads on Nate?
town

Any idea what your favorite thing about Nate is?

Can I get some GTH reads on Nate?

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