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- Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:03 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Good morning SoA. You’ll want to move with purpose; you’re at L-1.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:59 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Essentially just affirming one of them goes.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:58 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
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Dolby] aubergine
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:40 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Giving Sloonei an opportunity to resolve this effort. Then I support a hammer on either wagon.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:34 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Nevermind I missed the post.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:29 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Dolby phantom voted the counter wagon.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:19 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Understood NAA. I’ll have to keep reviewing to determine if I was too generous.
@Sloonei it’d be super to get your take on Johanna as it pertains to her mafia fits.
@Sloonei it’d be super to get your take on Johanna as it pertains to her mafia fits.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:26 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
If it helps, Johanna's spoilers are very short Fleabag roleplay and don't add a ton of stuff.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:24 am I slotted Johanna in there but to be honest I haven't really looked at her ISO because the spoil tags just make it impossible without an amount of effort that I'm unwilling to invest.
If you tell me she's green, then I have to consider my other reads and figure out which associative reads are weaker than I might have initially thought.
- Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:05 am
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do ilario and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?
From ilario
This is not entirely in chronological order, as per page the "soa" and "anarch" searches are split. Clearly there is a lot here, and it all follows a pretty clear trend that doesn't really need reviews. ilario has town read SoA constantly and strongly. That on its own isn't necessarily indicative of "compatibility", so I will ask myself some questions.
1) Are there any moments that look indicative of TMI instead, in an ilario-mafia universe? -- maybe a few, particularly those where ilario is speaking directly to SoA rather than about him.
2) Do I think there's sufficient justification for the strong town read? -- no, not at all. That's the premier concern. At every juncture of this read, it is voiced with more confidence than I believe is justified. It also persists well longer than I believe is justified. It tests my ability to give any benefit of the doubt, and instead I almost feel like buying the read as non-compatible requires suspension of disbelief. That's concerning.
From Son of Anarch
The strong town read is reciprocated and never really reassessed (SoA hasn't reassessed much of anything since Day 1). I do think isolated moments here again could be okay, and again it's when SoA is speaking directly to ilario instead of about ilario. Those tend to look more like pocket efforts in an SoA-mafia universe. Nonetheless, the connection between these two players is constant and irrefutable, and unique enough just for its strength in the absence of clear development. It sprung from the ether.
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Do they fit?
This is perhaps the toughest judgment call of all. If they're mafia teammates, they've dedicated more mutual effort to shielding each other than I would expect to see in most games. My trouble is that it would also represent my exact preferred strategy if I rolled mafia in an 11 vs. 4. If ilario had begun to reassess this a cycle sooner as Dizzy did I would be more comfortable. I am calling them compatible, at least "yellow".
From ilario
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This is not entirely in chronological order, as per page the "soa" and "anarch" searches are split. Clearly there is a lot here, and it all follows a pretty clear trend that doesn't really need reviews. ilario has town read SoA constantly and strongly. That on its own isn't necessarily indicative of "compatibility", so I will ask myself some questions.
1) Are there any moments that look indicative of TMI instead, in an ilario-mafia universe? -- maybe a few, particularly those where ilario is speaking directly to SoA rather than about him.
2) Do I think there's sufficient justification for the strong town read? -- no, not at all. That's the premier concern. At every juncture of this read, it is voiced with more confidence than I believe is justified. It also persists well longer than I believe is justified. It tests my ability to give any benefit of the doubt, and instead I almost feel like buying the read as non-compatible requires suspension of disbelief. That's concerning.
From Son of Anarch
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The strong town read is reciprocated and never really reassessed (SoA hasn't reassessed much of anything since Day 1). I do think isolated moments here again could be okay, and again it's when SoA is speaking directly to ilario instead of about ilario. Those tend to look more like pocket efforts in an SoA-mafia universe. Nonetheless, the connection between these two players is constant and irrefutable, and unique enough just for its strength in the absence of clear development. It sprung from the ether.
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Do they fit?
This is perhaps the toughest judgment call of all. If they're mafia teammates, they've dedicated more mutual effort to shielding each other than I would expect to see in most games. My trouble is that it would also represent my exact preferred strategy if I rolled mafia in an 11 vs. 4. If ilario had begun to reassess this a cycle sooner as Dizzy did I would be more comfortable. I am calling them compatible, at least "yellow".
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:44 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do ilario and G-Man fit together as mafia teammates?
From ilario
Most of the meaningful development in ilario's G-Man read has occurred during this day phase, so it's difficult to do much with that. Prior, ilario maintained a general suspicion on G-Man in most cases except for the single "dumb-tell" assertion on Day 2. I find this stuff kind of non-descript and not "bad". It's hard to draw a lot of confidence from it.
From G-Man
There's some interesting stuff here. I highlighted in yellow a section that I think might be a decent signal that they're not mafia teammates. G-Man was theorizing with some degree of complexity about Lime Coke as a mafioso (possibly teamed with falcon), and a significant portion of G-Man's theory was contingent on the idea that Lime Coke wanted to force a mischop on ilario. If G-Man is mafia, this could be a TMI moment. There are a lot of moving pieces there, so I will temper that assertion.
G-Man's view of ilario this day phase is "75% null" in a thick pair of paragraphs that waffles around the circuit once over and seems to conclude with some sort of "suspicion". Given how recent this content is, I hesitate to make too many assumptions.
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Do they fit?
This one is hard for me to interpret. If you ask me for a gun-to-head take, I would say they're not both mafia. I don't feel a lot of confidence in saying so. They're a "yellow" on the chart.
From ilario
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Most of the meaningful development in ilario's G-Man read has occurred during this day phase, so it's difficult to do much with that. Prior, ilario maintained a general suspicion on G-Man in most cases except for the single "dumb-tell" assertion on Day 2. I find this stuff kind of non-descript and not "bad". It's hard to draw a lot of confidence from it.
From G-Man
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There's some interesting stuff here. I highlighted in yellow a section that I think might be a decent signal that they're not mafia teammates. G-Man was theorizing with some degree of complexity about Lime Coke as a mafioso (possibly teamed with falcon), and a significant portion of G-Man's theory was contingent on the idea that Lime Coke wanted to force a mischop on ilario. If G-Man is mafia, this could be a TMI moment. There are a lot of moving pieces there, so I will temper that assertion.
G-Man's view of ilario this day phase is "75% null" in a thick pair of paragraphs that waffles around the circuit once over and seems to conclude with some sort of "suspicion". Given how recent this content is, I hesitate to make too many assumptions.
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Do they fit?
This one is hard for me to interpret. If you ask me for a gun-to-head take, I would say they're not both mafia. I don't feel a lot of confidence in saying so. They're a "yellow" on the chart.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:38 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
If your team is Dolby, G-Man, SoA, ilario, do you know at the moment who you'd name as the 5th member of the full POE pool?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:16 pmYeah, I mostly see falcon SoA as incompatible. I need to review why maybe, but it was a confident read.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:04 pm @NotAnAxehole I know you weren't sold on falcon being mafia, and I am not entirely sold either. Are you mostly inclined to insert ilario in his place, or is there more to your current view?
Ilario in that slot makes a lot of sense.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:29 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do ilario and falcon45ca fit together as mafia teammates?
From ilario
This analysis might not be especially necessary, as it seems apparent by game state that these two don't fit. Nonetheless here are the posts for reference. The separation does begin early, as I don't figure "cute and cuddly" as an accusation is the first of falcon's distancing moves.
Nothing else ilario says here makes me think they're an especially good fit. I'll cut this one off here and move forward.
From ilario
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This analysis might not be especially necessary, as it seems apparent by game state that these two don't fit. Nonetheless here are the posts for reference. The separation does begin early, as I don't figure "cute and cuddly" as an accusation is the first of falcon's distancing moves.
Nothing else ilario says here makes me think they're an especially good fit. I'll cut this one off here and move forward.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:25 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I think SoA is much more suspicious than falcon. I think you're closer to falcon than SoA is.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:24 pmHe’s been trending down and downJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm @ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?
But that’s mostly because others are trending up and not so much due to the fact that he has done anything I find to be scummy
I think falcons reasoning for all his votes, like his recent vote on gman are all incredibly shallow and in a world where falcon is scum I feel better about soa
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:19 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do ilario and Dolby fit together as mafia teammates?
From ilario
The last post there just happened moments ago, so take with a mountain of salt. Otherwise this is nothing and doesn't leave me especially comfortable.
From Dolby
Town read with no expansion. Take it or leave it I guess.
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Do they fit?
I see no reason here why they can't be mafia teammates.
From ilario
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The last post there just happened moments ago, so take with a mountain of salt. Otherwise this is nothing and doesn't leave me especially comfortable.
From Dolby
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Town read with no expansion. Take it or leave it I guess.
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Do they fit?
I see no reason here why they can't be mafia teammates.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:10 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I feel like G-Man and SoA are walking on eggshells every time they interact with me. That's less the case with Dolby and falcon.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:05 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
ilario can also be noted low on this one
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:04 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
@NotAnAxehole I know you weren't sold on falcon being mafia, and I am not entirely sold either. Are you mostly inclined to insert ilario in his place, or is there more to your current view?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:01 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Yes, in each of those posts the spoilers contain all or most of the posts made by the players in question about each other within a single compatibility analysis. The most significant change from the first time I tried is that I was harsher in my assessment of Son of Anarch's connections, and I explain why in the non-spoiled text for each SoA interaction.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:58 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
My "tinfoil team" would be Dolby, SoA, ilario, Dizzy.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:58 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I am not worried about reasons for your suspicions. I want to know reasons for your trust. I don't really see it in your ISO, no, at least not clearly. I see a single trustfall exercise on Day 2, but that's for reasond to trust everyone. Why did you trust Sloonei before he became confirmed? Why do you trust Marmot?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:33 pm Can you be more specific? Like, I feel its clear from my ISO why I suspect the players I do.
I've given why I TR NAA, Sloon (before getting poisoned), and Marmot. Are you asking about if I have other TRs beyond them?
It's hard for me to see Johanna as Maf. She feels like she's earnestly trying to solve the game, not steer or direct it. Ditto Dizzy. They both feel genuine in their approach and their reads feel like they're the product of genuine reflection on players and their interactions.
TSP actually I've not really paid attention to. Between the claim, or lack of thread presence...GTH I'd say he's town as well, cuz' he often pushes my mislynch when he's Maf
If you are not mafia, then I end up in a place where ilario seems like he has to be mafia. And if ilario is mafia, then that at least opens the door for Dyslexicon to be mafia. The game kind of hinges on this problem, and it's why I have you as the least confident of the four names on the mafia list.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:09 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
@G-Man current feelings about Son of Anarch?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:08 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Worth a response from @Johanna. I’m sure she would without my poke. I just want to acknowledge what G-Man said.G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 pm 'Threading the needle' is still an apt description for Johanna's ISO in my eyes. She has been very steady and consistent, but never aggressive. She reads, thinks, and responds. She seems to have a dry, cheeky sense of humor, which matches the subdued tone of he game-related content. I said before that I would like to see her rock the boat a little, but that doesn't seem to be her M.O. here. Her on-point content suits me better than a few other folks, but she still feels a little too at-the-radar for me to embrace her as a full townread.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:03 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I suppose the first thing that would help me if you’re town is to understand how you derived your POE pool. If you’ve chalked up others as town, could you just quickly summarize what inspired those reads? I don’t need a ton.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:52 pm @JaggedJimmyJay You've got myself, SoA, Dolby, Gman, and Ilario in a POE of 5?
How are our POEs so similar, yet feel so different? Why does it feel like we're talking right past each other?
Why can't we find each other as town?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:35 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I did this for two reasons:
1) I wanted to see if anyone could be cleared. If more than one could be, then that'd be a big issue for the collective POE pool. Johanna can be cleared, the others cannot.
2) A more comprehensive review would help me to resolve what I got wrong the first time. I think I was too kind in the SoA interactions the first time. I believe the following team fits very well:
Son of Anarch, Dolby, G-Man, falcon
and in that order (from most confident to least confident fits).
Given that the POE pool can still run 5-deep, and I am removing Johanna, I can add someone in her place. The obvious emerging name would be ilario. I hope we can talk about it as a group though.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:31 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
General conclusion:
Johanna should not be in the POE pool. She is town. She doesn't fit with the rest of the people in the pool. Anyone who thinks she should be in the POE can by all means protest and let me know where you disagree, but I don't see it right now. I also think she just looks like town at face value.
Johanna should not be in the POE pool. She is town. She doesn't fit with the rest of the people in the pool. Anyone who thinks she should be in the POE can by all means protest and let me know where you disagree, but I don't see it right now. I also think she just looks like town at face value.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:30 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do Johanna and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?
From Johanna
Johanna's immediate reception of SoA when she joined the game was a negative one, albeit vaguely so. She didn't promote his demise necessarily, though she is clearly doing so on Day 3. I wouldn't say this is super conclusive, but if it points anywhere it points toward non-alignment.
From Son of Anarch
Johanna opens in the SoA bottom five. That seems to undergo a stark change on Day 2, when she is a sort of "first alternate" on SoA's top town reads list just behind Dolby. The progression isn't there, and I tend to wonder if SoA gave up on the prospect of suspecting her given her general purity and improving thread presence. Take that with a grain of salt.
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Do they fit?
I do wish I had a little more to talk about here. I think it looks okay from the SoA side and a little better than okay from the Johanna side with respect to dissociating the two of them, so that is where I will lean.
From Johanna
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Johanna's immediate reception of SoA when she joined the game was a negative one, albeit vaguely so. She didn't promote his demise necessarily, though she is clearly doing so on Day 3. I wouldn't say this is super conclusive, but if it points anywhere it points toward non-alignment.
From Son of Anarch
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Johanna opens in the SoA bottom five. That seems to undergo a stark change on Day 2, when she is a sort of "first alternate" on SoA's top town reads list just behind Dolby. The progression isn't there, and I tend to wonder if SoA gave up on the prospect of suspecting her given her general purity and improving thread presence. Take that with a grain of salt.
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Do they fit?
I do wish I had a little more to talk about here. I think it looks okay from the SoA side and a little better than okay from the Johanna side with respect to dissociating the two of them, so that is where I will lean.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:20 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do G-Man and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?
From G-Man
G-Man found a lot of posts to criticize regarding SoA, and stated pretty clear suspicions in the larger reads list with some faint qualifiers. He then included SoA in his POE.
He has done absolutely nothing with that since. Yikes.
From Son of Anarch
That's it. G-Man makes the first reads list in the bottom five. Not a single sliver of follow-up except to tell me that my solve including G-Man should be doubted. Yikes.
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Do they fit?
Yikes. They fit plenty. They fit bad.
From G-Man
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G-Man found a lot of posts to criticize regarding SoA, and stated pretty clear suspicions in the larger reads list with some faint qualifiers. He then included SoA in his POE.
He has done absolutely nothing with that since. Yikes.
From Son of Anarch
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That's it. G-Man makes the first reads list in the bottom five. Not a single sliver of follow-up except to tell me that my solve including G-Man should be doubted. Yikes.
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Do they fit?
Yikes. They fit plenty. They fit bad.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:14 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do G-Man and Johanna fit together as mafia teammates?
From G-Man
The first three posts provide the only stances from G-Man on Johanna. He was barely positive in his assessment of her, and seemed immediately intent to qualify and erase that positivity with things like "player salad" (an application of that tell that I don't think fits the bill). If G-Man is mafia he looks like he doesn't want to give Johanna town credit, perhaps because he needs a name to fill out his POE splits as in the following post. That'd be an okay look for Johanna. The two of them spoke about the possibility of a Lime Coke/falcon mafia teammate relationship, but G-Man didn't take that anywhere with respect to Johanna's alignment. Not super conclusive stuff.
From Johanna
Funnily enough, the most readable thing here might be Johanna's response to Dizzy's fake watch on her and G-Man. That doesn't look like someone who 1) knows its fake or 2) that the track isn't actually valid or correct. I believe she even briefly placed an auto-vote on G-Man in this moment, though it wasn't called. That's appropriate from her if so. @Johanna please affirm or deny. Otherwise her read on G-Man is kind of a void, and she acknowledges that it is a void, given that she doesn't know him and he hasn't been consistently present. She did place that vote for him this phase but has since moved to Son of Anarch. I think this stuff generally speaks to a non-teammate relationship if one of them is mafia.
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Do they fit?
I don't really get that impression. It's not something to view as an open-shut case, but I doubt they're both mafia. Judgment calls reign.
From G-Man
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The first three posts provide the only stances from G-Man on Johanna. He was barely positive in his assessment of her, and seemed immediately intent to qualify and erase that positivity with things like "player salad" (an application of that tell that I don't think fits the bill). If G-Man is mafia he looks like he doesn't want to give Johanna town credit, perhaps because he needs a name to fill out his POE splits as in the following post. That'd be an okay look for Johanna. The two of them spoke about the possibility of a Lime Coke/falcon mafia teammate relationship, but G-Man didn't take that anywhere with respect to Johanna's alignment. Not super conclusive stuff.
From Johanna
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Funnily enough, the most readable thing here might be Johanna's response to Dizzy's fake watch on her and G-Man. That doesn't look like someone who 1) knows its fake or 2) that the track isn't actually valid or correct. I believe she even briefly placed an auto-vote on G-Man in this moment, though it wasn't called. That's appropriate from her if so. @Johanna please affirm or deny. Otherwise her read on G-Man is kind of a void, and she acknowledges that it is a void, given that she doesn't know him and he hasn't been consistently present. She did place that vote for him this phase but has since moved to Son of Anarch. I think this stuff generally speaks to a non-teammate relationship if one of them is mafia.
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Do they fit?
I don't really get that impression. It's not something to view as an open-shut case, but I doubt they're both mafia. Judgment calls reign.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:57 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Your interpretations mean things. I am taking them into consideration. If you want to know why there may be a tendency for some people to discount your contributions, then you need to know that it's not some "lack of clout".NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:48 pm If my interpretations meant anything, I would be less lazy about consuming information.
People tune you out if they feel you are talking down to them, belittling their play, belittling their entire site culture, and treating them like they're too stupid to breathe.
If you don't intend to come across that way, then you should be made aware that it often seems that way. Treat folks with respect and you're going to get more of it too.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:53 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do falcon45ca and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?
From falcon45ca
There are some moments here where falcon treats SoA with a bit of a sharp edge. I am inclined to temper any assessment of that given that falcon's M.O. is to treat everyone with a sharp edge. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere of note. You'll see that between 14 Sep and 16 Sep, falcon's perception of SoA shifts from "not worthy of the POE, Dizzy goes in over him" to "in the POE". That splits around the Lime Coke mischop. The last sentence of the last post emerges again; I mentioned it when assessing falcon/Dolby. It'd be kinda funny if he encouraged a tie between his teammates given that he literally wouldn't care which one goes. I won't speculate too much. This stuff is overall kinda wet fish.
From Son of Anarch
Okay, so a few notes:
SoA's first few interactions with falcon are pretty neutral stuff and not suggestive of much. So it's noteworthy that SoA placed falcon in the second-highest tier of his reads list, suggesting some level of town read. That is immediately countered in the posts that follow with assertions of doubt, piggybacked from things other people said (e.g. "falcon is overly contrarian"). We see that SoA took an anti-falcon stance toward the end of Day 1, and dubbed his triad with Dizzy and ilario as "the falcon killers".
Then he didn't post again on Day 1. That was 1.5 hours prior to the deadline, and he didn't make another falcon-related post. He didn't make another post AT ALL. The leader of the falcon killers, or at least their namer, didn't do anything to make that name a reality. He did leave his vote on falcon, but I think it was evident to the people in the game that sig was most likely to be eliminated. So I award zero points, and kinda think it looks worse.
In the time that has followed EOD1 SoA's presence has taken a nosedive, so he's had no impact on matters of falcon or otherwise.
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Do they fit?
Yes, I think they fit. They might even fit well given SoA's EOD1, but I am not as confident about this one as I was about Dolby/SoA.
From falcon45ca
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There are some moments here where falcon treats SoA with a bit of a sharp edge. I am inclined to temper any assessment of that given that falcon's M.O. is to treat everyone with a sharp edge. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere of note. You'll see that between 14 Sep and 16 Sep, falcon's perception of SoA shifts from "not worthy of the POE, Dizzy goes in over him" to "in the POE". That splits around the Lime Coke mischop. The last sentence of the last post emerges again; I mentioned it when assessing falcon/Dolby. It'd be kinda funny if he encouraged a tie between his teammates given that he literally wouldn't care which one goes. I won't speculate too much. This stuff is overall kinda wet fish.
From Son of Anarch
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Okay, so a few notes:
SoA's first few interactions with falcon are pretty neutral stuff and not suggestive of much. So it's noteworthy that SoA placed falcon in the second-highest tier of his reads list, suggesting some level of town read. That is immediately countered in the posts that follow with assertions of doubt, piggybacked from things other people said (e.g. "falcon is overly contrarian"). We see that SoA took an anti-falcon stance toward the end of Day 1, and dubbed his triad with Dizzy and ilario as "the falcon killers".
Then he didn't post again on Day 1. That was 1.5 hours prior to the deadline, and he didn't make another falcon-related post. He didn't make another post AT ALL. The leader of the falcon killers, or at least their namer, didn't do anything to make that name a reality. He did leave his vote on falcon, but I think it was evident to the people in the game that sig was most likely to be eliminated. So I award zero points, and kinda think it looks worse.
In the time that has followed EOD1 SoA's presence has taken a nosedive, so he's had no impact on matters of falcon or otherwise.
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Do they fit?
Yes, I think they fit. They might even fit well given SoA's EOD1, but I am not as confident about this one as I was about Dolby/SoA.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:36 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do falcon45ca and Johanna fit together as mafia teammates?
From falcon45ca
If falcon is mafia, this looks like someone trying to pick out something to smear, realizing it's not catching, and just moving on to other matters. It doesn't strike me as the stuff of teammates.
From Johanna
This stuff gets a bit messy and forces me to make some judgment calls. Objectively, Johanna's read on falcon doesn't seem to lead somewhere concrete -- I don't get the impression she has known what to do with falcon at any juncture of the game. She voices some suspicions, clarifies it's not enough to vote him, pulls the same maneuver as G-Man with the Lime Coke/falcon team theorizing, and sort of twists herself into a pretzel. I get a sense that this progression looks innocent at most points -- indeed the only post that triggers my pings in a "typical" way is the one highlighted in yellow (a very small point). Gun to my head, this is the work of someone who seriously doesn't know rather than of someone who wants to look like they don't know.
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Do they fit?
I think it's possible to make the argument that they fit, but it's not an argument I would find compelling. I am making judgment calls now and I will say that I don't think they're likely mafia teammates. Since this one forces me into that dissonant pair of sentences I always welcome anyone to tell me if they disagree.
From falcon45ca
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If falcon is mafia, this looks like someone trying to pick out something to smear, realizing it's not catching, and just moving on to other matters. It doesn't strike me as the stuff of teammates.
From Johanna
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This stuff gets a bit messy and forces me to make some judgment calls. Objectively, Johanna's read on falcon doesn't seem to lead somewhere concrete -- I don't get the impression she has known what to do with falcon at any juncture of the game. She voices some suspicions, clarifies it's not enough to vote him, pulls the same maneuver as G-Man with the Lime Coke/falcon team theorizing, and sort of twists herself into a pretzel. I get a sense that this progression looks innocent at most points -- indeed the only post that triggers my pings in a "typical" way is the one highlighted in yellow (a very small point). Gun to my head, this is the work of someone who seriously doesn't know rather than of someone who wants to look like they don't know.
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Do they fit?
I think it's possible to make the argument that they fit, but it's not an argument I would find compelling. I am making judgment calls now and I will say that I don't think they're likely mafia teammates. Since this one forces me into that dissonant pair of sentences I always welcome anyone to tell me if they disagree.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:23 pm
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- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do falcon45ca and G-Man fit together as mafia teammates?
From falcon45ca
This isn't much, but perhaps the last exchange can be illuminating. Take it with a grain of salt since we're well into the distancing period. Nonetheless, G-Man literally said falcon hadn't said anything about him prior to the vote. Quite true. As I type this I find my ability to care draining in real time. This stuff isn't very meaningful.
From G-Man
We can note that G-Man dedicated a lot of time and energy to assessing falcon, but he did so with a specific premise -- that he would (or wouldn't) be teamed with Lime Coke. That would tend to devalue whatever conclusions G-Man comes to when at that point neither have flipped. That doesn't mean pre-flip associative reads are just flat bad the end, but when you only look at one pair you're going to have a very hard time getting anywhere. G-Man ended up concluding that the two do fit together as mafia teammates and left his Day 2 vote on falcon. The meaning of that vote depends upon the progression of the wagons and how likely he thought it was that someone other than Lime Coke would actually be eliminated. The premise of the analysis stunts the suspicion, and the consensus on Lime Coke stunts the vote. I wouldn't feel comfortable dissociating G-Man from falcon on this basis.
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Do they fit?
This is probably the toughest one for me to call so far, but I don't think I can confidently separate them. They at least can be teammates with reasonable plausibility.
From falcon45ca
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This isn't much, but perhaps the last exchange can be illuminating. Take it with a grain of salt since we're well into the distancing period. Nonetheless, G-Man literally said falcon hadn't said anything about him prior to the vote. Quite true. As I type this I find my ability to care draining in real time. This stuff isn't very meaningful.
From G-Man
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We can note that G-Man dedicated a lot of time and energy to assessing falcon, but he did so with a specific premise -- that he would (or wouldn't) be teamed with Lime Coke. That would tend to devalue whatever conclusions G-Man comes to when at that point neither have flipped. That doesn't mean pre-flip associative reads are just flat bad the end, but when you only look at one pair you're going to have a very hard time getting anywhere. G-Man ended up concluding that the two do fit together as mafia teammates and left his Day 2 vote on falcon. The meaning of that vote depends upon the progression of the wagons and how likely he thought it was that someone other than Lime Coke would actually be eliminated. The premise of the analysis stunts the suspicion, and the consensus on Lime Coke stunts the vote. I wouldn't feel comfortable dissociating G-Man from falcon on this basis.
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Do they fit?
This is probably the toughest one for me to call so far, but I don't think I can confidently separate them. They at least can be teammates with reasonable plausibility.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
@ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:10 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Anyway, I don't mind taking blame. I don't care about blame. Let's win.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:09 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
You're pointing out lazy interpretations of content you've barely consumed that you judged well before the game actually started.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:07 pm
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- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I did that repeatedly with Lime Coke. If you want to judge my play, you should read my posts.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:04 pmIf you have clout, and you're wrong it's warranted. If you prefer not being at fault, you should deliberately indicate that you're following someone else's read in absence of your own (in which case you'll still probably sway other people because clout).JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:14 pm I'm usually going to be the first to receive blame for failings, even if those failings can be attributed to other people too. This isn't a complaint; I recognize it's the natural tendency. Fine. Mafia know it too.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:06 pm
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- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do Dolby and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?
From Dolby
Dolby turned sig's suspicion of SoA into his own suspicion of sig. Classically this might be called a chainsaw defense, and it's not the best look. Dolby's review of SoA himself is pretty limited and ends in positive feedback "vibes". I don't know why he brought up Anarch in that last post referencing Lime Coke.
From Son of Anarch
For the first time in these reviews I find myself actually moved by real suspicion. These are not encouraging posts and I think quite supportive of SoA and Dolby as mafia partners. The initial reads list is whatever. Dolby is in the second-highest tier. That's at least questionable but not necessarily terrible. The other three posts all stand out to me in a bad way though. Dolby gets the token "maybe" placement among SoA's four town reads, and it would form an inverse player salad. The next post about my team theory dissuades the inclusion of Dolby as mafia while simultaneously giving a reason to suspect him. The final post again dissuades a mafia read of Dolby before providing a counter-justification. These are not pretty caveats.
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Do they fit?
Yes, SoA and Dolby fit togther well. If one is mafia I think the other is a high prospect to be with him.
From Dolby
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Dolby turned sig's suspicion of SoA into his own suspicion of sig. Classically this might be called a chainsaw defense, and it's not the best look. Dolby's review of SoA himself is pretty limited and ends in positive feedback "vibes". I don't know why he brought up Anarch in that last post referencing Lime Coke.
From Son of Anarch
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For the first time in these reviews I find myself actually moved by real suspicion. These are not encouraging posts and I think quite supportive of SoA and Dolby as mafia partners. The initial reads list is whatever. Dolby is in the second-highest tier. That's at least questionable but not necessarily terrible. The other three posts all stand out to me in a bad way though. Dolby gets the token "maybe" placement among SoA's four town reads, and it would form an inverse player salad. The next post about my team theory dissuades the inclusion of Dolby as mafia while simultaneously giving a reason to suspect him. The final post again dissuades a mafia read of Dolby before providing a counter-justification. These are not pretty caveats.
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Do they fit?
Yes, SoA and Dolby fit togther well. If one is mafia I think the other is a high prospect to be with him.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:55 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do Dolby and Johanna fit together as mafia teammates?
From Johanna
The "how about no" beginning looks like TMI at a glance. That can be well-enough corroborated by what follows -- a vague "null" read with only positive content in it and then a cascade of "obvious town" kinds of reads. That progression doesn't look terribly associated to me. I'll see how it goes from the other direction.
From Johanna
The immediate and developing trend here is that Johanna expects more of Dolby than she has seen (regardless of alignment). His impact has been less than she anticipates. While that's not exactly a "suspicion", it can at least be interpreted as the absence of trust -- and I think it looks like a pretty authentic progression of perspectives. These don't look like views that have been informed by or sculpted by any other conversations happening outside this game thread. I also don't get the impression this progression aligns with Dolby's treatment of her; there's no sense of coordination or agenda.
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Do they fit?
I don't think think they fit together as mafia teammates. If Dolby is mafia, I get the impression he views Johanna as a priority to deal with because they've more mutual familiarity than others have with either of them. So he has stuck the necessary town read on her literal town self to get and stay ingratiated, and she has not responded in kind (in a theoretical world where Dolby is mafia).
From Johanna
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The "how about no" beginning looks like TMI at a glance. That can be well-enough corroborated by what follows -- a vague "null" read with only positive content in it and then a cascade of "obvious town" kinds of reads. That progression doesn't look terribly associated to me. I'll see how it goes from the other direction.
From Johanna
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The immediate and developing trend here is that Johanna expects more of Dolby than she has seen (regardless of alignment). His impact has been less than she anticipates. While that's not exactly a "suspicion", it can at least be interpreted as the absence of trust -- and I think it looks like a pretty authentic progression of perspectives. These don't look like views that have been informed by or sculpted by any other conversations happening outside this game thread. I also don't get the impression this progression aligns with Dolby's treatment of her; there's no sense of coordination or agenda.
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Do they fit?
I don't think think they fit together as mafia teammates. If Dolby is mafia, I get the impression he views Johanna as a priority to deal with because they've more mutual familiarity than others have with either of them. So he has stuck the necessary town read on her literal town self to get and stay ingratiated, and she has not responded in kind (in a theoretical world where Dolby is mafia).
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:44 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do Dolby and G-Man fit together as mafia teammates?
From Dolby
From G-Man
Dolby does nothing with G-Man. G-Man treats Dolby as a town read on Day 2 and a mafia read on Day 3. That progression doesn't tell me a lot given that they're the two most viable wagons right this moment, as G-Man makes clear he is aware of in the second-last post there. Shrug.
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Do they fit?
I cannot confidently say they don't fit. They can be teammates. I would perhaps expect a little more on the Dolby side if they are. I cannot make any read of that form with confidence at this point though.
From Dolby
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From G-Man
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Dolby does nothing with G-Man. G-Man treats Dolby as a town read on Day 2 and a mafia read on Day 3. That progression doesn't tell me a lot given that they're the two most viable wagons right this moment, as G-Man makes clear he is aware of in the second-last post there. Shrug.
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Do they fit?
I cannot confidently say they don't fit. They can be teammates. I would perhaps expect a little more on the Dolby side if they are. I cannot make any read of that form with confidence at this point though.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:33 pm
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- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Do Dolby and falcon45ca fit together as mafia teammates?
From Dolby
The majority of this is soft pillow and not meaningful to me. The most important material comes late in Day 2, when Dolby toyed with voting for falcon, but also with voting for me. It's difficult to tell how seriously he took the prospect of falcon being eliminated -- he admitted outright that I wasn't likely, and said he had no take on falcon. If Dolby believed the Lime Coke elimination was significantly more likely, then the falcon votes become pretty ineffectual.
From falcon45ca
Take note that the first post in the spoiler represents the first instance in the game in which falcon hurled an accusation at someone and voted for them in the same moment. There was a similar moment directed at ilario earlier, but split into two posts. Take that however you will, but I am registering it as at least "unique". It wasn't falcon's first accusation, but it was the first with the vote attached. The yellow highlighted bit comes from a trustfall exercise and should not be confused with a reads list. Otherwise, when Dolby is mentioned it is within a broader POE grouping or in a pair with SoA in an uninspired final post calling for a tied vote.
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Do they fit?
Sure they fit. I wouldn't say they scream "mafia teammates", but there no good reason I can see here to say they don't fit together.
From Dolby
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The majority of this is soft pillow and not meaningful to me. The most important material comes late in Day 2, when Dolby toyed with voting for falcon, but also with voting for me. It's difficult to tell how seriously he took the prospect of falcon being eliminated -- he admitted outright that I wasn't likely, and said he had no take on falcon. If Dolby believed the Lime Coke elimination was significantly more likely, then the falcon votes become pretty ineffectual.
From falcon45ca
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Take note that the first post in the spoiler represents the first instance in the game in which falcon hurled an accusation at someone and voted for them in the same moment. There was a similar moment directed at ilario earlier, but split into two posts. Take that however you will, but I am registering it as at least "unique". It wasn't falcon's first accusation, but it was the first with the vote attached. The yellow highlighted bit comes from a trustfall exercise and should not be confused with a reads list. Otherwise, when Dolby is mentioned it is within a broader POE grouping or in a pair with SoA in an uninspired final post calling for a tied vote.
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Do they fit?
Sure they fit. I wouldn't say they scream "mafia teammates", but there no good reason I can see here to say they don't fit together.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:17 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
[VOTE:
unvote] aubergine about to begin a ton of effort and giving myself space
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:11 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
@Johanna if you had to bet the game on naming three players as civilians, who might you choose?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:09 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
@G-Man if you had to bet the game on naming three players as civilians, who might you choose?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:32 pm
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
General question for whoever wants to brave it:
If someone in the consensus POE is eliminated today and happens to flip town, is there any way in hell that both Dyslexicon and ilario are town-aligned?
If someone in the consensus POE is eliminated today and happens to flip town, is there any way in hell that both Dyslexicon and ilario are town-aligned?
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:21 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
Not quite autopilot, though I'm at work currently and can't do much. I wouldn't say we should just churn through the POE right now after the initial two misses. I think we're in a decent enough place to say that the prevailing theories point to certain subsets (e.g. Dolby and G-Man for me), but I don't have a clear theory of a team of four right now.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:14 pm
- Forum: Previous Heists
- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I'm usually going to be the first to receive blame for failings, even if those failings can be attributed to other people too. This isn't a complaint; I recognize it's the natural tendency. Fine. Mafia know it too.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:33 pm
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- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I feel that the arguments for chopping Dolby and G-Man are the strongest and invoke the fewest doubts (as compared to common POE names like [falcon, SoA] or alternative suspects like [Johanna, ilario]).
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:31 pm
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- Topic: Fleabag Mafia mafia win
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d3
I will have a belly laugh if mafia are caught in part because they mishandled
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