The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:57 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:52 pm I dunno how to read Creature, sometimes I really like him, sometimes I think he's pocketing me, and there's the awful interaction with Guillo.

I dunno how to clear myself other than pointing out I must have suddenly decided to bus my two wolf partners in LyLo and my partners decided to bus me when we could have easily coordinated into persuading NANOOK to kill town (especially DrWilgy or Urist). Sadly I don't have any recent completed wolf game to be used as a reference so you'll have to trust me.

Also, what was the awful interaction I had with Guillo? I remember coming into terms they must be wolf at the start of day 4 because of their reads suddenly being mostly on town after the Michelle flip and then just staying there untouched.

Read my big post etc.

Guillo really wanted us to think he suspected you but he always moved to someone else after a while.

I dunno how to read Creature, sometimes I really like him, sometimes I think he's pocketing me, and there's the awful interaction with Guillo.

I feel less good about Daisy after yesterday. I guess I just never want to have just one person in the PoE, and now that wilgy and falcon are down and I still dont wanna kill Urist, there she goes. Also she threw some weird poop at me for my ISOs yesterday, like she didn't really read them but wanted to test if she could make me die for it. Dunno though, being wrong isn't synonimous with being bad.

Shouldn't we claim the last 2 nights

I mean what else do we have to lose now

Question, now that only one mafia is left so they are restricted to one kill, are we supposed to use the even night or the odd night table?

Though granted I'm considering just ignoring the table at this point and doing my thing since the game is much easier to calculate.

I think Urist was the first to push the "just get rid of falcon" angle yesterday?

If so he looks good.

Seems to me mafia isn't interested in waiting for us to run down the PoE and they are just shooting nanook over and over until we run out of protects.

Or we are getting incredibly lucky.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 12:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:15 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:47 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:13 am Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:13 am People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Elaborate on the bolded, please

Uh Guillo and Michelle were both scum, Guillo started a case on Michelle before everyone else did, and made solid arguments at that.

He threw her under the bus big time.

Ofc this isnt regular mafia and only you can tell if he did influence you or not, but if we are acting under the premise what we say here matters then scum attacking other scum is always dangerous for scum.

Right, i more was wanting you to elaborate on why you think guillo would bus Michelle specifically but not other partners

Uh, hard to say what they decided in scumchat, maybe Michelle was just posting less or maybe she wasn't intending to be very active in the game so they saw her a sacrifice worth making.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:01 pm I find it interesting that DDL’s assessment didn’t really narrow anything down.

3 isn't lower than 5?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:45 am falcon replaced out of RoP, just kill him here so dunya doesn't need to get a replacement. He's in the poe anyway.

If he doesn't show up in this game I agree with that.

I mean it's already known this mafia team doesn't have issues accusing one another so I dunno what your point is.

Point is, Guillo in this game focused all his attacks and analyses on 4 people: Michelle, Creature, hollowkat and Urist

Would he choose to only attack his teammates (and one townie) all game and avoid interaction with all other townies? I... don't know. He seems like the type of crazy bastard who might. And the setup certainly allows for it. But damn, that's risky, what if you started taking him seriously? Because he was a loud voice and a strong presence. What if other people started taking him seriously too and you felt compelled to hear the masses?

One teammate? Sure. Two? Maybe. All three? Wow.

That said I can see the fact votes don't exist can make scum even more willing to bus than usual tbh.

Which makes me like Daisy even more and believe in a falcon/Creature a little more too.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:47 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:13 am Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:13 am People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Elaborate on the bolded, please

Uh Guillo and Michelle were both scum, Guillo started a case on Michelle before everyone else did, and made solid arguments at that.

He threw her under the bus big time.

Ofc this isnt regular mafia and only you can tell if he did influence you or not, but if we are acting under the premise what we say here matters then scum attacking other scum is always dangerous for scum.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Cuz I wanna vote somewhere new but also not vote with the coolkids who are already on falcon.

Yeah ok guillo's treatment of Creature is sus as fuck, guillo's interactions with falcon are awful, but creature decides on day 4 he wants both deadly. he does touch on a few other people but thats his focus.

Creature and falcon are my biggest suspects coming from this. I also feel like Creature pocketed me me early one so I kinda dislike him myself. However Creature doesn't feel like he has much association with falcon, at least to me, which throws a wrench in this conclusion.

I don't feel Daisy and Urist, particularly Daisy. Also neither looks like they could be wolves with Creature, for that matter.

Wilgy and Guillo avoid each other like the plague. That's also a bad look. If Creature and falcon don't look like teammates, this should be the first suspect.

So the conclusion is Urist and Daisy are town, scum is among the other 3, and I'm not sure about the order.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME there I've done work, now do your thing kthxbye.

Creature has 4 pages and I'm lazy so I'll just search for guillo mentions.

Early game, Creature is working with lists and Guillo tends to show at at the red sections of his lists.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:25 pm I remember reading DrWilgy, Marmot and Urist town from last EOD.

Why for Wilgy, and do you have a read on Guillo?

It's probably for a stupid reason. I need to recheck.

Guillo felt fine but he says he's pretty tricky as wolf.

Is this a real read.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:25 pm I remember reading DrWilgy, Marmot and Urist town from last EOD.

Why for Wilgy, and do you have a read on Guillo?

It's probably for a stupid reason. I need to recheck.

Guillo felt fine but he says he's pretty tricky as wolf.

What about Guillo's derp galore, any feels from that?

I thought him being stubborn with plans and complaining about NANOOK being the dictator felt town tbh

Uh ok.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:14 pm NAA and Marmot dying is a bit sad. They were the two players I trusted the most besides NANOOK.

I'm afraid DrWilgy is probably just town here.

On the other hand, now I'm unsure if I should be townreading DDL and Dyslexicon here. Guillotine is also an uncertainty.

"An uncertainty"

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:55 pm Guillotine could be a bus, but I think he is fine for now.

hollowkatt looks bad for softdefending her.

Just added NotAnAxehole in for reference.

I guess from an outside point of view I would look bad for defending her, but I brought up reasons why I gutread Michelle town.

Dyslexicon looks bad, arguably more than hollowkatt.

Dragon D. Luffy looks good.

Could be a bus but fine for now.

Does Creature ever react to being Guillo's eternal 2nd best suspect? I didn't see it.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:56 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:46 am [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I dont like how you shade me and townread me at the same time, fuck that.

It's not a shade. It's saying nothing stops it from being a bus yet I still townlean you for it.

Ok he does.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:26 pm I think Guillotine is wolf.

Oh?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

His focus turns to falcon though.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:41 pm Guess I'm only seeing Guillotine + falcon rn. Not sure who can be the third.

Hmm. I want to believe falcon and creature are both scum but this gives me pause.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:09 am Oh and also, currently reading Guillo and Creature as town.

If Daisy and Creature are both scum this is bold af.

She goes after Creature later though, and makes some good points.

Day 2 she puts Guillo at the top of her townlist, and goes back to attacking Creature. Later goes after me. Later decides I'm good and goes after falcon. Then back to Creature.

She never drops the belief Guillo is town. Also talks a lot to him about her cases, like in here:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 54#p902654

I don't wanna yeet Daisy tbh. Full bussing is uncommon, but full town reads by a wolf to another are even rarer.

@dunya the ISO link to falcon is linking to Urist.

Falcon isn't playing much but I'm not sure if a replacement is needed yet? Kinda dislike Urist for proposing we shoot falcon on those grounds.

Falcon is all over the place. That is not necessarily a bad thing. He cases me, later he throws some mud at NAA and Creature. He attacks HK. Votes for Creature. Votes for Daisy. Votes for Wilgy.

One person he never talks about is Guillo. He does interact with Guillo a bit though, but discussing other people. Here:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy



I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

This is the one time in the game where Guillo and falcon acknolwdge each other's existance, so one can pass a ball to the other.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

There's also a "forget guillo who else you wanna kill" to Creature.

Bad bad bad.

Urist doesn't talk much, when he does he names suspects but doesn't explain. I'm sorry but I really can't vibe with your minimalist playstyle, dude. But that is not the current subject. The current subject is associative reads.

Urist wants Guillo dead. That's his opinion all game. Later on he expands.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

Yeah hes not scum with creature. His attacks on guillo arent too convincing though, being minimalist means you can say whatever you want with the safety that your opinions won't be heard.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:15 pm poe is creature / wilgy / falcon. just shoot down the line and win.

I dunno how wilgy jumped to second place but that's a post which is otherwise semi-consistent with previous ones.

Wilgy does not ever give an opinion on Guillo.

He wants Creature dead, and later falcon, and he trusts Daisy, that's it.

Bad look.

If he's bad I think Daisy is being pocketed, wouldn't say they are likely both wolves.

Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:13 am People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:10 am I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

In a nuthshell: Guillos first suspect for the entire game is Creature, provided we exhaust every other option first.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

He's back at casing Creature on day 4. But when I say Creature is scummy for my "comtempt tell", Guillo argues against my point.

He then votes Urist.

He makes a comparison between the two, too:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:36 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:47 am My PoE at the moment is basically anyone outside of me, Guillo and Nook.

I have a slight town lean on Urist.

I have no read at all on Wilgy.

I have a fluctuating read on falcon so I'd say slight wolf lean.

I don't trust Creature or DDL.

If the shot was in my hands I would shoot DDL.

This all comes with no ISOs yet. I'm about to get sleep now, so I will go ahead and vote on DDL at the moment, but it could still change before the shot gets taken, I'm not sure.

I dont see DDL being a wolf tbh.

Creature is a rollercoaster with an ISO mix of scummy and townie posts.

I dont know about Wilgy, Nanook will have to shoot blindly there if he shoots there.

Urist has been death tunneling me without any reason and so has Creature but at least creature is not afraid to speak his mind about everything else, i dont remember much from Urist.
Why is he town?

And then starts tunnelling hard on Urist.

And later on he's back at being sure Creature is scum. But his vote is still on Urist.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

Day 3 he starts by casing Creature, but before we know it hes writing a huge case against Dizzy.

On Day 2, Guillo voted HK, then started accusing Creature but kept his vote on HK.

Later he accused and voted Urist, but an hour later voted back to HK.

I can totally see one of those short votes being for teammates.

I need to do isos (will have to wait till after work day is over though) but GTH I'm not sure if Creature and Guillo bussed each other that hard if they are both scum.

But... Guillo did go after Michelle too, so...

Also Guillo is going straight to me "do not think you can tone read him" list.

I think we should all claim last night actions. Including nanook savers. There are potential clears to be made here.

That said nanook should decide on whether we do that or not and maybe he could decide on an order for players to claim if he wants.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:58 pm Welp. I was hoping last night wolves would get rid of two suspects.

At least that should give us one mislynch:

5 v 2
Mislynch
4 v 2
One nightkill (odd-night)
3 v 2
Hit wolf
3 v 1
One nightkill (because one wolf left)
2 v 1

How is this possibly townie

Funny, I knew you were going to flip when I decided to vote for you.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:04 pm ftr I no longer townread DDL and think he could be wolf. I'm not sure if I have any strong leaning read right now. Spacedaisy is the best read I have rn because I believe she isn't really trying to be influential at all.

The pocketing has failed?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:57 pm

Dizzy flipped town lol

So?

No tells are 100% accurate.

I very much doubt you're keeping stats on how accurate it is

Who the fuck does that

Someone that would then have the standing to say "this id a reliable tell" rather than it being as much nonsense as any other supposed tell

Bro if you don't wanna follow me it's up to you. I like this tell and I like to use it so I'll use it.

Ok. You see how this is useless to anyone not named ddl, yes?

You are not going to convince me to change my mind on Creature by telling me my logic doesn't appeal to people other than me.

I made my point, I think scum may act arrogant about town, if you don't think they do, stop using your precious posts on that subject.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:57 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:52 pm You know that "comtempt for town" tell I used to describe Dizzy early on?

I now see it in you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Dizzy flipped town lol

So?

No tells are 100% accurate.

I very much doubt you're keeping stats on how accurate it is

Who the fuck does that

Someone that would then have the standing to say "this id a reliable tell" rather than it being as much nonsense as any other supposed tell

Bro if you don't wanna follow me it's up to you. I like this tell and I like to use it so I'll use it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:57 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:52 pm You know that "comtempt for town" tell I used to describe Dizzy early on?

I now see it in you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Dizzy flipped town lol

So?

No tells are 100% accurate.

I very much doubt you're keeping stats on how accurate it is

Who the fuck does that

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:55 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:52 pm You know that "comtempt for town" tell I used to describe Dizzy early on?

I now see it in you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I have no idea what that is.

Disdain for town. People have caught me as scum for that before. I have caught people as scum. Some players tend to get arrogant when they are mafia and see town playing badly. Because they know town is the enemy team.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:57 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:52 pm You know that "comtempt for town" tell I used to describe Dizzy early on?

I now see it in you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Dizzy flipped town lol

So?

No tells are 100% accurate.

You know that "comtempt for town" tell I used to describe Dizzy early on?

I now see it in you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

With two of my suspects dead, I no longer have town reads.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:43 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

I think DDL is my only non-NANOOK townread so almost everyone is in my POE. I'm trying to sort names and so far I think Guillotine fits as a wolf here.

I see a bunch of soft and smelly walls around me and I think I may be inside a pocket.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:39 pm Do I follow logic, the dumbest of dumb reads, or consensus?

Weigh in in the comments and don't forget to like and subscribe

I think the time to follow the majority was when we had a clear of advantage in vote power, and now is the time to be arbitrary.

I don't know about you guys but for me Urist's table extends to saving nanook or not.

I think if anyone is free from saving nanook and believes they have the ability to save someone else, they should consider taking theor chances.

Saving other people is why this setup isn't necessarily scumsided.

Like that big post from daisy had such a "uh my teammates just told me Im being called out so im gonna throw a salad of reads give me a sec" energy.

I'd shoot hk or daisy before dizzy tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:59 pm I have decided this: Creature is town. I did not expect to decide this.

Was it before or after nanook announced hes not killing Creature

My point is, theres a push for HK. You, me and Guillo are in that push. But I feel like everyone else is avoiding that push like it's poisonous.

That makes me feel bad on HK compared to say, Dizzy, because everyone and their dog has dizzopinions. We all have something to say about dizzy. But not HK.

I haven't paid much attention to falcon after the truth meta thing tbh.

He doesn't look much different from last game, I think?

The setup is fine. I made it (sort of).

The players making the right plays or not are ondependent from that.

Why do I feel like people (aka scum) is avoiding hollowkat

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:23 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.

The setup, plus the way nanook decided to play, causes this state. It's very hard to see the connection between what we say and the game's outcome, since we have no idea what the red panda is thinking of it, and easy to fall into a "I can afford not to post and that won't change anything" mentality. And even if we want to help, the lack of feedback or consequences (actual votes) makes hard for the discussion to gain traction.

Like I've already said what I thought of my main suspects, why should I reinforce anything or try to bring up new points? If I knew nanook was going to shoot Sig (and if I wasnt having some issues myself tbh) I might have fought much harder against it. His next shot may be someone nobody expects and we can't focus the discussion on that because he's not telling.

We lost last time in large part because scum were able to pocket nutella by pushing the same stuff as her and faking mind melds

My interpretation is different.

You lost because nutella disregarded what the majority told her to do almost every day.

You play this like an actual mafia game and now scum has to convince most townies to trust them, not just one guy. The social cohesion and the towncores will form from people knowing their choices matter and assuming agency of the outcome.

Scum can't pocket you now, but town can't do anything either. You are playing the game alone against three.