The Syndicate

Based on what I've thought all game it should be Porscha. If it's Jack I gotta give it HK for being a crazy busser.

Javk has never felt ridiculously townie, though. Just normal townie. And I'm not exactly good at reading him.

Porscha on the other hand has said a lot of pretty townie things. There are also newbie tells everywhere, but I don't like pressing the "dumb tell clear" on them especially because newbie wolves are a thing too.

Ahhhhhhhh I don't know

Well then

For me the rule is if I'm town, I'm motivated and I'm playing at TS, I'm unyeetable the whole game. Except in lylo. That's when everyone puts their "guys, what if it's DDL?" tinfoil hats and vote me.

I think every time I was misyeeted before lylo I was having a really bad time irl or hating the game.

Again, TS-only. People from NF love to yeet me regardless of day phase number.

Same tbh.

I always seem to lose lylo/mylo in this site as a townie.

The

And hammer again.

Nothing to see here guys, it was just the poll ghost.

Actually it's not a hammer anymore?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME that's a hammer.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:48 pm okay now that we are actually proposing sleep, can someone explain the benefits/ cons of the mechanic to me

We have 25% chance of hitting a wolf if we try now. And if we fail, mafia wins because next day it will be 1v1 and they win ties by default.

If we sleep, we let mafia kill one more, and next we have 33% chance of hitting wolves, which is higher than 25%.

Also if we try today we are playing with even numbers which means ties are more likely and we auto-lose on ties. We need 3 votes on mafia to win and mafia needs 2 votes on town to win, one of those votes being theirs. While at final 3, both sides need 2 votes.

The obvious downside is that we lose one thnking head and mafia gets to choose who that is.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:23 pm Sleep, makes sense.

Talk reads? I dunno, the 24 hour phase is pretty short so I'm not sure if it's a good idea to ignore an extra 24 hours of content. I guess you want to avoid giving mafia help with the kill?

Yeah. I think it’s custom to not talk reads. Just brings in wifom for next day. Don’t really matter to much to me. Don’t have anything to say today. Wish we could hammer sleep

I don't know, I haven't played much in the past few years so maybe the customs changed. We used to have a culture of using every last hour we could to generate ISOs and analyses.

But I won't pretend I am very motivated to do a lot of those so...

Also we can hammer sleep. It's in the poll.

Also yeah this game has trainwreck written all over it.

Sleep, makes sense.

Talk reads? I dunno, the 24 hour phase is pretty short so I'm not sure if it's a good idea to ignore an extra 24 hours of content. I guess you want to avoid giving mafia help with the kill?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:43 pm Wdym wolves break the tie

"Day 77th. Porscha made another dumb tell. Is all of this real? Is it a dream? Hard to say, but I must keep trying to survive. I must maintain hope that they will come to rescue me from this hell"

did we break mizery

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:32 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:10 pm I mean he was obvtown, you were one of the people insisting the most on this iirc

yeah and
lol
i always kill lag or mac before lc and that shouldn't have had to be said

Aren't you the one who was complaining early about people doing "I never do X as a wolf" claims or was it someone else.

no that was me
and specifically at everyone going "i never kill naa here because that's a dumb kill"
I'm specifically saying that based on my past games with LC and how he's treated me, me NKing LC there would be like throwing

Except now that LC died, you can tell everyone you are spewed town because of that.

See, it's wifom. There's no such thing as an impossible kill.

Guys can we not leave this tied when the poll locks.

If there's a tie, the mafia gets to tiebreak.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:31 pm I need someone to figure out this game for me

Quote of the game tbh

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:10 pm I mean he was obvtown, you were one of the people insisting the most on this iirc

yeah and
lol
i always kill lag or mac before lc and that shouldn't have had to be said

Aren't you the one who was complaining early about people doing "I never do X as a wolf" claims or was it someone else.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:14 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:11 pm I don't have wolf meta on lag
I never claimed to have wolf meta
my one meta comment this game has been that lag ignoring the why and looking at the what is objectively wolfy but maybe it's towny for them since they are the kind of person who relies on meta and mech to solve games, and this is a mountainous game.

Fair enough.

My point still stands though, the thunderdome between you two feels wrong in some way.

Please read lag's posts this cycle which are basically all about me and tell me if it looks like they're even trying to solve me

I... guess? From what I gather the problem you have with Lag is they are mostly reading you on meta instead of judging the things you say.

But if Lag is really good at reading your meta like they seem to think they are, shouldn't it be an acceptable approach?

Lag wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:11 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:07 pm Mizery and Lag have a weird beef with each other where they both claim they have wolf meta on each other, but because it's mutual, it seems like they are incapable of speaking in the same page and just keep repeating the same points against one another. Really makes me feel one is full of shit because otherwise I think they might have arrived at a common ground after all this time.

And I don't think it's Lag who is more likely to be full of shit.

This is ironic because Mizery and I are actually good friends.

Yeah I can totally see it, with the joke posts you both make, yet it seems there is some chasm there in this game.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:11 pm I don't have wolf meta on lag
I never claimed to have wolf meta
my one meta comment this game has been that lag ignoring the why and looking at the what is objectively wolfy but maybe it's towny for them since they are the kind of person who relies on meta and mech to solve games, and this is a mountainous game.

Fair enough.

My point still stands though, the thunderdome between you two feels wrong in some way.

At the same time it could be that Lag saw a chance to reach high post counts by arguing over and over with a player who suspects them on hard to undertand meta arguments, so the two just keep dancing endlessly and wasting time. This is something I've seen scum players do before.

But does Lag really need that to reach high post counts? They are talking about a lot of other people, like myself.

Mizery and Lag have a weird beef with each other where they both claim they have wolf meta on each other, but because it's mutual, it seems like they are incapable of speaking in the same page and just keep repeating the same points against one another. Really makes me feel one is full of shit because otherwise I think they might have arrived at a common ground after all this time.

And I don't think it's Lag who is more likely to be full of shit.

I'm never a fan of dumb tells because I always feel like they robbed me of my right to read that person for like, everything else they have said. They said one dumb thing so they are cleared, let's all move on. I don't know, it seems too easy.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:10 pm has ddl talked about his poe
because jack hasnt

Yes. Large-ish post near the start of the phase.

It's you > Porscha > Jack > Dizzy = Lag

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:28 am Just for info. I’ve gotten really sick (though nothing dangerous), spent most of the day at the doctors. I don’t know how much I can give to this game anymore. I’ll try my best. I ask that we don’t hammer before time.

I hope you get better, man! Please prioritize your health.

@Porscha

I wish you were contributing now. It's 7 AM in Brazil time, a perfect time to play mafia.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:24 am I would like dizzy and ddl to come contribute but rn I think my 2 poe is miz/ddl

I was contributing. Then I was sleeping. I don't contribute at 1 AM when I have work next day.

Lucky for you, today (should) be a soft day at work since it's between holidays and there are no meetings, so (hopefully) I will have time to post more.*

Terms and conditions apply, my boss can call me anytime and make the day busier.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:02 am I can’t be around before later today either. Sleep and work. Honestly not crazy motivated for this game. When I thought about it before going to sleep, I was left with the PoE of Jack and DDL. I will probably explain this, but it’s largely by taking away others + Lag can win if he’s mafia idc

*they

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:18 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:04 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:57 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:46 pm I think mizery is aware that the HK vote doesnt clear her. iirc she mentioned it in another post

What

This is spicy

Link/quote plz

Quote isn't relevant I know hk is 3p

Then why are you arguing your vote on HK helps you look town.

It doesn't.

Because I'm grasping at straws for a tr

... ok.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:13 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:05 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:47 pm not sure if mizery should be using lag as her tunnel for today tho

It's things like this
Wording like this
That just feels
So bizarre
Like an extremely bizarre perspective

lag looks pretty lock town atm so I dont find it weird to say that I think you're wasting your time trying to tunnel them just cuz they are pushing you

I'll locktown no rescind the first person to correctly say why I think porschas post is bizzare

I mean tunelling someone isn't a good thing, it comes from "tunnel vision" and it's not something you should do on purpose if you actually intend to find scum.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:57 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:46 pm I think mizery is aware that the HK vote doesnt clear her. iirc she mentioned it in another post

What

This is spicy

Link/quote plz

Quote isn't relevant I know hk is 3p

Then why are you arguing your vote on HK helps you look town.

It doesn't.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:57 pm dragon you just dont understand that truly I am a moron who dropped in last second after not looking at the game for 24 hours and didn't back read and forgot that HK was the 3p so I thought I was hot shit

I don't think it's productive to discuss your intelligence. Heck, I don't think we have to keep calling you dumb or moron. If you are town, you made a mistake, it happens.

But we also don't know what your alignment is, so we have to assume you could be faking all of it.

Same with Mizery.

I'm just questioning now why you get a pass and Mizery doesn't.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:46 pm I think mizery is aware that the HK vote doesnt clear her. iirc she mentioned it in another post

What

This is spicy

Link/quote plz

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:49 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:45 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:43 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:54 pm I simply can't believe that lag sees me vote both flipped wolves regardless of them being 3p or not and push absolutely nothing else and not even try to defend them one bit and still think I'm a wolf with such certainty

I've already explained this, votes on HK count for absolutely nothing since the mafia didn't know who he was.

And the vote from HK onto falcon just spews wolf onto the prior voters. Mac and Seanzie are dead, so it's either you or Dizzy.

The timing of HK's vote like immediately after your vote is also kind of a hilariously convenient

Uh... shouldn't Mizery be cleared for not knowing that since you are willing to clear porscha for the same thing?

Porscha derp-cleared with it, whereas this Mizery grasping at straws for a TR.

But Porscha's post is also an attempt to defend herself.

I don't get the difference.

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:43 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:54 pm I simply can't believe that lag sees me vote both flipped wolves regardless of them being 3p or not and push absolutely nothing else and not even try to defend them one bit and still think I'm a wolf with such certainty

I've already explained this, votes on HK count for absolutely nothing since the mafia didn't know who he was.

And the vote from HK onto falcon just spews wolf onto the prior voters. Mac and Seanzie are dead, so it's either you or Dizzy.

The timing of HK's vote like immediately after your vote is also kind of a hilariously convenient

Uh... shouldn't Mizery be cleared for not knowing that since you are willing to clear porscha for the same thing?

Ok so regarding the people, I'm on full PoE mode right now. Everybody looks like they could still be town, and on an easier game I probably put you all on the town side and start yeeting the scummy people one by one. Except nobody is very scummy this time and the wolf seems to be playing a mean game.

That said Mizery is probably the closest one to neutral. There are a lot of posts from her that feel townie and organic, but nothing really awes me. It's all easier to imitate for a wolf. I admit this could be my lack of knowledge of her meta since this is the first time I play with her, but in a vaccum, she is the least townie of the bunch.

Porscha is next, the dumb tell is believable but I don't really like to give one moment like that such a defining role in someone's alignment, especially in a game like this. It could always be faked. And looking at the rest of Porscha's post history, she overall feels pretty townie, but still less than the rest.

Jack is next. He has a big wolf range, and he's one of the people I can't read easily. So I'm not gonna go and cross him of the possible wolves list permanently. That said, I still think it is very unlikely that HK would park a vote on him day 2 after bussing a teammate on day 1, and I don't think the whole "steal the night kill from teammates" makes sense as a long term strategy. So I'm mostly reading Jack based on HK association and I think I'm right. If this is bussing I'll be very surprised.

Finally there are Lag and Dizzy who look very townie to me on posting alone. Dizzy especially, there are sometimes he says things that make me suspish but then a few posts later he doubles down on emotional posts that ooze feelings and honesty and make me feel "no way this can be a wolf".

As for Lag, they are the town leader archetype, that person who explodes a thread and analyses everyone, like Jay and Sloonei. And tbh I'm usually good at reading that type of player, because when they are town, they really explode the thread in a way that's almost impossible to fake. I think Lag fits that bill, I'll be seriously impressed if they have a wolf range that goes that far. The problem is that since I've never played with Lag before, I can't say for sure they don't have that wolf range, but my gut says they don't.

So I wanna vote Mizery, probably. But will save my vote for tomorrow to keep this from hammering too early.

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:59 pm I wanted to kill DDL, I was overruled by half the town telling me he's in his town meta, followed by Dizzy + Mizery pushing for a DDL flashwagon only to chop Arcbell at the last second.
If DDL is mafia, I'm just giving him the win and telling you all that I told you so anyway.

I trust the derp-clear on Porscha. I trust my town-read on Jack's day 2 catch-up less, but now with F6 I can't PoE all of Jack, Mizery, and Dizzy. So Jack gets a pass.

Dizzy and Mizery can die though

Thanks for that, I suppose. But catching up, I saw you speculating on my day 1 so I want to explain what happened.

Lag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:56 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:54 pm I think it's just DDL, but Mac and Jack both are hard shielding him for... reasons. I think meta reasons? Idk, I don't see it, but with so many town to 1 wolf, I'm probably wrong anyway. But I feel like I'm not

canst thou articulate why in persuasive terms

You mentioned he was spewed by falcon, but the back and forth he had with falcon took place when falcon was like two votes away from going over and the next closest wagon was like 2 votes.

At that point falcon is going to be potentially be in anti spew, but he's definitely aware of potential associations post flip. At best its just NAI, but at worst ddl's early vote on falcon was tmi distancing. He switched off that early for to SHEEP falcon on Rondo and only came back to falcon when falcon was almost certainly going over. It's a weird case of voting someone, then sheeping the person you voted, then voting them again
At

My vote on Rondo wasn't sheeping on falcon. it was sheeping on Dizzy. Early on he had made a post pointing out Rondo was softing 3P, so I wanted to policy Rondo because I think 3P is automatically less useful for a town, so a player who claims that is pretty scummy and probably worth killing. it's similar to a player who claims survivor or miller when being suspected, you just kill them. And I wasn't liking Rondo's posting on gut a lot anyway.

I don't remember if falcon was voting for him or if I talked to falcon about that? Maybe I did, but I strongly recall Dizzy's post about Rondo being what movitated me to do it, not falcon.

About falcon's post, I eventually noticed I was alone in Rondo's wagon and thought if I left my vote there it would accomplish nothing, while falcon was still a "lean wolf" read of mine. Falcon was never my strongest wolf read, but I thought it was more logical to put him closer to a hammer, since I was okay with him being yeeted, than make a vanity vote. I do make vanity votes sometimes, but only if I'm completely unhappy with the wagons, and that wasn't the case.

As for my interaction with falcon, I think it was mostly falcon attacking me or questioning my votes and doing a lot of OMGUS on me, while I mostly defended myself. His style for attacking me resembled a lot the way he did in in previous games we played together, where we were both town, so there was some pent up frustration on my end about the way he questioned me, except now I know this time it was fabricated. I have no idea why he did that though, if it was to frame me or just to look like he was scumhunting himself.

Heya.

So uh... I apologize for my outburst yesterday. Like, I'm not going to start playing mafia at work, but it's not you guys' fault that I signed up to a type of game that demands higher post counts. Next time I'll just sign up for a racket since those have post count limits.

It's been fun playing with you, I'll do my best to enjoy this until the end.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:23 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:21 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:20 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:17 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:15 pm Alright Imma give you guys 5 minutes to give me a reason because NO ONE has been talking seriously about yeeting me today except mac

I just dont think the way you approached the Mac thing was townie tbh

Thats not a strong reason but I dont have anything better for anyone else.

So of all the discussion that's happened today, you've lifted nothing out of it, and a point from yesterday about me focusing on the wrong things is still most salient to you? Do you not buy my "I like fun" explanation or what?

I spent 10 hours a day at work.

I couldn't, and didn't, read the discussion that happened today.

You've read and understood some of it. Even responded to me a few times.

And the little I read didnt change my mind.

Die scum.

See you folks tomorrow if Im still alive.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:22 pm I don't care what you folks do or not do with your lives but WHY IS EVERYBODY GIVING ME SHIT FOR HAVING A NORMAL DAY JOB

I CANT BE HERE ALL THE TIME

Godanmit

No one is giving you shit for having a normal day job

No but you have a problem grasping that I can't possibly come here and read 500 posts in 30 minutes.

Im done for this game today. Yeet me or not yeet me if ypu want. I dont care. The São Paulo traffic is insane and I'm feeling nauseuous rn for typing in a car. This isn't worth it.

I don't care what you folks do or not do with your lives but WHY IS EVERYBODY GIVING ME SHIT FOR HAVING A NORMAL DAY JOB

I CANT BE HERE ALL THE TIME

Godanmit

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:20 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:17 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:15 pm Alright Imma give you guys 5 minutes to give me a reason because NO ONE has been talking seriously about yeeting me today except mac

I just dont think the way you approached the Mac thing was townie tbh

Thats not a strong reason but I dont have anything better for anyone else.

So of all the discussion that's happened today, you've lifted nothing out of it, and a point from yesterday about me focusing on the wrong things is still most salient to you? Do you not buy my "I like fun" explanation or what?

I spent 10 hours a day at work.

I couldn't, and didn't, read the discussion that happened today.

Yesterday is part of rhe game. Today I spent the day at work.

I can't spend all my waking hours in this game. Not anymore.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:15 pm Alright Imma give you guys 5 minutes to give me a reason because NO ONE has been talking seriously about yeeting me today except mac

I just dont think the way you approached the Mac thing was townie tbh

Thats not a strong reason but I dont have anything better for anyone else.

[VOTE: Arc] aubergine

I like that more too.

I don't think its humanly ppssible for me to catch up now.

Why am I getting voted

At work and 100 posts behind but I'm neutral on Mizery and townreading Jack so I'm moving my vote to Mizery.

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

Will try to read the recent argument after work. Sorry for the difficulty in participating, guys.