The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:24 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:45 am Wolves are Quin, Kyle and Eloh.

Me and my two biggest suspects for the majority of the game are all teammates? Nah.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:26 am I'd also like to know why Quin first? What do you feel incriminates Quin especially from the cBob flip?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:27 am oh, when I said "quick," I didn't realize DDL had 328 posts.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 am I'm more inclined to vote cbob than quin today, Jay's interactions with cbob look worse than Quin, and I know this isn't a direct parallel but Quin didn't ever get down or lose interest when half our team died in CC123, or at least he didn't really act like it, so I think maybe my theory on him losing hope may be non indicative

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:00 pm I think it's probably one of cBob and Quin are town

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:39 pm and his response to my earlier case on Kyle.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:45 pm I also find DDL's vote for me opportunistic given his biggest reasoning for voting me is "I do this when bad so Quin probably did this while bad".

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:57 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:01 pm Epi can call my attack on his argument lazy all he wants. That's bullshit. I'm not discussing it with him, because he just wants me to repeat myself over and over. I'm not going to.

And I'm not going to use the exact same angle as 3J knowing it already failed if I'm bad.

I don't give a good doggamn what you think of my argument. I was right. Worship me.

Epi, if you really believe Quin is scum, do you think scum Quin would make a big fuss over your argument of why JJJ is scum, after the event occured and he flipped scum? I mean, does that seem like something a scum Quin would do? Cos I don't know scum Quin very well, but I know no scum I have ever played with would actually do that.

Remember what I said early? I know one scum who has done that: me.

And I did that so many times that when I asked a veteran player why I was being lynched so early, he explained it to me: I had a tendence to show a certain disdain torwards town when I was bad. Like I didn't believe them. I would make fun of town's inactivity and stupidity. Now I have stopped doing that and my baddie game has improved.

And now I look for it on people. Why does a civ need to show they don't like how a baddie was lynched? Maybe because they don't like that a baddie was lynched.

Are you implying Quin is a terrible scum player?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:49 pm I find the argument of "Quin was pissed off at the fact JJJ got lynched, and that I was right, and is making a huge fuss over my argument and devaluing my theory all because he's JJJ's scumbuddy"--to be, well, kinda lame tbh.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:01 pm Epi can call my attack on his argument lazy all he wants. That's bullshit. I'm not discussing it with him, because he just wants me to repeat myself over and over. I'm not going to.

And I'm not going to use the exact same angle as 3J knowing it already failed if I'm bad.

I don't give a good doggamn what you think of my argument. I was right. Worship me.

Epi, if you really believe Quin is scum, do you think scum Quin would make a big fuss over your argument of why JJJ is scum, after the event occured and he flipped scum? I mean, does that seem like something a scum Quin would do? Cos I don't know scum Quin very well, but I know no scum I have ever played with would actually do that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 pm Are we talking about the same post here?

Actually no. No we are not. Epi's later post in which he voted Quin is about Sig. You should read it.

It's the same post, he just analyses what JJJ said about sig for a bit, then votes Quin for going after sig?

Ah. I assumed it wasn't the same post because you cut the end off.

@Epignosis We're stupid. Come in here and clarify your read of Quin and your read of Sig.

It isn't complicated.

What LC colored as red and perceived as "anti-sig" remarks really aren't. They are my running commentary on someone who is clearly not at all mindful of what he is saying, presumably because he lacks the time to be as much.

It is easy to dig into someone for inconsistencies and hypocritical remarks. It is harder to point them all out and walk away from it an overall positive view of the person's role.

sig's posts are wildly inconsistent, maintain no logic that I can follow, and don't really do anything to help the civilians. On top of it all, he never once voted. Is sig bad?

Always a possibility. What I'm seeing, however, is entirely consistent with someone who hasn't been around and probably isn't looking to play somebody.

Those are sig's posts though. It's easy to grill those.

JJJ's posts about sig are another matter entirely. JJJ remained open the entire time toward lynching sig should the climate of the thread swing that way (as it did swing toward Mesk, whom he had called good). JJJ's attitude- and I do not believe this to be a ruse- was to lynch low-posters. He even said low-posters were more likely to be bad because the thread was so active. This is horseshit.

I cannot see a single shred of evidence that JJJ and sig are teammates.

My investigation brought me to the interactions between JJJ and Quin. JJJ called Quin a civilian for bullshit reasons (i.e., I don't actually believe JJJ viewed Quin as a civilian), praised his opening contribution (which he misquoted), and on top of that, Quin has been needlessly antagonistic toward me and my effort to lynch JJJ. Even after JJJ was shown to be bad, Quin doubled down on his vague and pissy take that my thinking was poor.

JJJ was eager to lynch low-posters. Quin has taken up that mantle, even though the only confirmed mafia was the low-poster exterminator.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:47 pm sequel to "the search for quin"
we found quin, but he's a goddamn mess

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:49 am I mean.... it's possible one of the role secrets is a protect or a roleblock but.... 2/5 is a really bad murder success record.

This is true. Is there is a protect or roleblock secret, then that person must have a leprechaun in his butt. And if so...keep up the good work.

If not, then I think JJJ might have been the only really active baddie and that's why he played so shitty (no offense J). Anyone know of a game where JJJ was a lonesome baddie and know how he played in it? Let's see...some quiet/quieter players include Sig, INH, Wilgy, even Epi and nutella have been quieter than usual imo and could have missed deadlines. Think about how the end of phases have been pretty all over the place as well. It could have caused missing the deadline. I don't know. Lots to think about. Lots more to read too.

I don't think that's even the only conclusion to come to with that information set of inferences. This game has been less than forgiving with phase end times, I could see a couple kills getting missed cus baddie-B went to bed 7 hours ago thinking that her teammate Jay was going to send it in, and Baddie-C was busy at work and couldn't check btsc or something.

I love the female representation in your thoughts. No joke.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:59 am Anyone got any good reasons to choose either sig or inh over the other?

Sig has posts and INH doesn't is the only reason I can think of. I would think if someone opened their role PM and saw it was scum, they would at least ty a little bit to help out his/her team rather than just being a total no-show. I think ita more likely that a civ is the no-show.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:27 am ok re reading all of Day 1 again, and post Day 1, I feel better about what happened then.

(I'm doing side reads on people I have mild suspicions of or people I have actively cleared town as I go along the thread again with my bob/speed cases)

I didn't like Kyle's questions and comments to nutella during the eod 1.

Would someone recall if it was Kyle's vote that was last to move onto nutella? That would help me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:03 pm and the indie role is Walt Disney's ghost

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:58 am But how the fuck am I "replying to everything that I'm not trying hard"?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:15 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm

For whom?

nutella

Well, since you brought it up, it moves the needle two hairs from 'Town' to 'Scum' for nutella, based on the idea that a reaction that doesn't seem quite right to me evokes feelings of possible fakery.

You brought it up bruh. And I didn't like how you did it.

Framing suspicion in a way that town can pick up on, but that doesn't state it directly. I don't like that.
And then nutella's post was obviously lamenting that we got a town flip rather than scum. In most games, a town flip is worst scenario. This game is different, with lynched failing almost half the time, but it's NOT GOOD, even as you said.
And then the way you presented the obversavion, making sure to place yourself as a part of 'us' and reemphasize the bright side and the town win condition.

These weak bits come together to make me feel like you're trying too hard to be the nonchalant townie and fly under the radar while casting shade on nutella.

So, no, I don't like your post. If you had said "no, not alignment indicative" I would have assumed that it was just a post for the sake of posting. But the way you framed your suspicion is sleazy and suspicious.

I didn't bring up suspicion of nutella. My post wasn't about suspecting nutella. I didn't "frame" anything, and anyone who "picked up on it" was reading it wrong.

Yes, part of nutella's post was "obviously lamenting" that mal was town. There was nothing in my post denying that lynching a Civ is bad, or that nutella thought so.

You would prefer that a player always use the third-person "the Civs" rather than "us" unless they're Confirmed Civ?

I agree, these bits are weak. Weak as hell, I dare say! You are so way off, I'm not trying too hard at anything right now. My nonchalance is pure, natural cool, my friend. I haven't seen "under the radar" in a Mafia game since 2012, so nuh-uh... and I would not want to cast shade on the unique and colourful flower that is nutella.

tl;dr "You're way off from the get-go, dude."

I'll respond to the rest of you suckas in separate posts.

You keep replying everything with "I'm not actually trying hard" and we'll eventually have to lynch you for not looking civ enough. Just saying.

Is that what you read in that post?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:26 am Long Con is bad.

He tried to get me lynched Day 1 religiously.

Now he frames that as helping me?

He is taking the piss, as the Brits say.

He had so much vigor early on, but after 3J got lynched, he threw up his hands. That's my take.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 amYAWN

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm

I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.

eeegeeggggghhhhh

And do you consider this to be possibly alignment indicative?

For whom?

nutella

Well, since you brought it up, it moves the needle two hairs from 'Town' to 'Scum' for nutella, based on the idea that a reaction that doesn't seem quite right to me evokes feelings of possible fakery.

You brought it up bruh. And I didn't like how you did it.

Framing suspicion in a way that town can pick up on, but that doesn't state it directly. I don't like that.
And then nutella's post was obviously lamenting that we got a town flip rather than scum. In most games, a town flip is worst scenario. This game is different, with lynched failing almost half the time, but it's NOT GOOD, even as you said.
And then the way you presented the obversavion, making sure to place yourself as a part of 'us' and reemphasize the bright side and the town win condition.

These weak bits come together to make me feel like you're trying too hard to be the nonchalant townie and fly under the radar while casting shade on nutella.

So, no, I don't like your post. If you had said "no, not alignment indicative" I would have assumed that it was just a post for the sake of posting. But the way you framed your suspicion is sleazy and suspicious.

I didn't bring up suspicion of nutella. My post wasn't about suspecting nutella. I didn't "frame" anything, and anyone who "picked up on it" was reading it wrong.

Yes, part of nutella's post was "obviously lamenting" that mal was town. There was nothing in my post denying that lynching a Civ is bad, or that nutella thought so.

You would prefer that a player always use the third-person "the Civs" rather than "us" unless they're Confirmed Civ?

I agree, these bits are weak. Weak as hell, I dare say! You are so way off, I'm not trying too hard at anything right now. My nonchalance is pure, natural cool, my friend. I haven't seen "under the radar" in a Mafia game since 2012, so nuh-uh... and I would not want to cast shade on the unique and colourful flower that is nutella.

tl;dr "You're way off from the get-go, dude."

I'll respond to the rest of you suckas in separate posts.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:02 pm I'm just saying, a healthy dose of suspicion directed at anyone is a good thing.

Tunneling is not.

No one knows each other's roles or alignments, heck even our "cop" role is a shot in the dark. So unless you have BTSC, anything can trigger a bad feeling if you're town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:46 pm On the Bob thing.

I don't feel anything bad about Bob. But so far I've just read Sloonei's posts and thought "he had a point". I agree with Sloonei's points, but not hard enough to think Bob is definite scum. I'm suspecting Bob by proxy. But I don't want to ISO Bob myself because I'll probably just confirmation bias my way into voting him.

But while I was showering now, I had a thought. It's weird that Sloonei is tunneling so hard on Bob and yet nobody else is caring too much. There have been some skirmishes with Bob here and there, but hardly anybody voicing a strong suspicion on him. Maybe Jack, but Jack suspected everyone. Sloonei made a mega post about Bob on Day 2 and only I voted with him. He did it again on Day 4 and we went for Malakim.

And this is where I put my tinfoil hat and think "if Bob is a civ, baddies would have seized this chance by now". I mean, look at the malakim lynch. Resistance to it was pitiful. Scum probably either voted for malakim or made sure not to oppose it too hard.

So guys, let's put this on the table. Sloonei believes Bob is bad, and seems to believe harder than anyone believes in anything in this game. How are the rest of you reading Bob? Do you see yourselves lynching Bob tomorrow? Opinions, please.

I've been tossing the same thought around, but surely we can't say that the general lack of attention he's received outside of me is indicative of all other players being scum. At most there can be only two others. But you put a spin on it that gives me an added confidence: I'm a big loud doofus and I won't shut up about Bob. If I'm wrong about him, it would be very easy for a scum player to apply a little pressure as well and hope that the dominos might fall. That has not happened. I feel like I've been screaming into a vacuum.

I've been waiting (practically begging) for somebody to make this post all game. Thank you.

The possibility exists that DDL is scum and is doing this very thing right now. If that's the case, it's a pretty bad ass move and a slick way to frame it. I'd give him major props and then never trust him again.
I think it's unlikely that this is the case.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:22 pm DDL-- "Wilgy I don't really have a gut read but he looks good on the Jay lynch."

I take issue you are basing your "good" read on a possible/ definite bussing scenario (not by all members of the team, but some). Is there anything else, other than the Jay lynch, that Wilgy has going for him in your opinion?

Where is Wilgy anyway, he's disappeared lately?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:24 pm "Dunya onwards is where I start actually being confident. Mostly because information gathered from polls."

what information from the polls did you gather on me? My voting has been very erratic. I haven't voted with the majority even once since I took over from sprityo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:56 pmFor the record, this isn't my favorite answer ever. I'll let Kyle pursue it if he wishes.

you're not my real dad, i can do what i want

Back me up here DDL.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:45 pm Ok I'll bite.

DDL
Epignosis
Sloonei
Nutella
Dunya
Dr. Wilgy
Long Con
Speedchuck
Sig
INH
Elohcin
Quin
Kylemii
Colonialbob

@Sloonei

Orange means it's a light suspicion. I'm not really sold on it.

Yellow is neutral.

Anything above yellow is some degree of civ read.

Yes I'm torn on my scumpects.

Thanks, I dig this. Were there any names you had a difficult time deciding on? Or any reads that you surprised yourself with?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:50 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:50 pm so I think I'm going to start with my reassessment of colonialbob, as I promised Sloonei to give him my full perspective (when I isod him previously, it was 2am and I finished at 3am). I'll take notes this time and try to go through your 5000 word essays on him with a neutral mind.

You said you were doing me first!

ok fine, I'll do you both simultaneously.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:39 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:16 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:15 pm Meh. Sorry malakim.

I was having a feeling he would be a civ with his ragequit and all.

But like... how am I supposed to deal with a player who just quits at the first sign of pressure?

Idk, let's ask sig and inh.

do you think sig rage-quit?

No. I haven't seem him around the site at all recently, though I haven't been looking. My guess is he got busy, as promised, and then this thread exploded. Offering honest content is difficult. I missed the part where DDL said "at the first sign of pressure."

INH seemed to be devastated by the way he died in CC-123 (right around when he subbed in here), and likewise I have not seen him around the site since. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted a break from mafia after that and simply forgot about his place in this game.

I can do nothing to determine the alignment of either of them with this information.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:33 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:31 pm Honestly, I don't think it's good for a player to be replaced into a game so late into the game. What is INH going to contribute even if he does show up? ((what is sig even going to do when he finally comes back lol?)) I'm clearly the exception because I am obsessive, compulsive, competitive freak who will read everything and post like a madwoman. But after Day 1 and Night 1 have passed, players shouldn't usually be replaced imo.

anyway, INH is probably scum. If a vig still exists in the game, take him out.

I used to replace people whenever when I was a host.

Then some people complained about it.

Nowadays I estabilish a dealine (usually End of Night 3) and if I can't get everyone replaced by then I start distributing the modkills.

oh, modkills exist on this forum?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:31 pm Honestly, I don't think it's good for a player to be replaced into a game so late into the game. What is INH going to contribute even if he does show up? ((what is sig even going to do when he finally comes back lol?)) I'm clearly the exception because I am obsessive, compulsive, competitive freak who will read everything and post like a madwoman. But after Day 1 and Night 1 have passed, players shouldn't usually be replaced imo.

anyway, INH is probably scum. If a vig still exists in the game, take him out.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:31 pm Honestly, I don't think it's good for a player to be replaced into a game so late into the game. What is INH going to contribute even if he does show up? ((what is sig even going to do when he finally comes back lol?)) I'm clearly the exception because I am obsessive, compulsive, competitive freak who will read everything and post like a madwoman. But after Day 1 and Night 1 have passed, players shouldn't usually be replaced imo.

anyway, INH is probably scum. If a vig still exists in the game, take him out.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:29 pm I'd go sig out of the two. I could see him being scum from these selections taken from his 13 posts.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 amWhat ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.

Maybe it's just me, but this "scum slip" was ridiculous, so trying to hearken back to it is fishy.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.

This "her and JJJ" pairing, for the sin of low-poster chasing. I can see this coming from a mafioso mindset.

@sig your last post was a week ago, did you forget about the game?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:22 pm DDL, do you do rainbows? I'd love to see one from you if that's in your playbook.