The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:19 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:18 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:14 am How could you clear wisp after he claimed Jack Torrance A LITERAL BAD GUY

C’mon guys

Haha I don't know tony was jack the Ripper and not a bad guy.

The pawn spirit thing is an interesting dynamic. I like that concept.

All in all I knew I was signing up for an interesting unique game and that's despite what we got haha.

Not the one from anime, I think? I'm admittedly not familiar with the source material beyond a quick google search tho

Right the one I looked up sounded bad but it was hard to find info on it that wasn't riddled with card game mechanics and ads. I thought if jack the Ripper isn't bad then the roles don't mean anything with alignment. Having the town vig have janitored kills was also (intentionally I'm sure) confusing haha

That's *definitely what we got not despite. I need to go back to sleep haha.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:14 am How could you clear wisp after he claimed Jack Torrance A LITERAL BAD GUY

C’mon guys

Haha I don't know tony was jack the Ripper and not a bad guy.

The pawn spirit thing is an interesting dynamic. I like that concept.

All in all I knew I was signing up for an interesting unique game and that's despite what we got haha.

One of the things that threw me was the poisoning not happening til day 3.

Well yeah okay I guess that makes sense. I think having no idea what was going on and missing info would have made that tough to figure out at this point. At least everyone knows I wasn't lying about ties now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:00 pm @sabie12 ensure you send your tiebreak choice

Yeah kitsu. I still also think nutella could be bad but meh I guess we'll see.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:51 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:27 pm Crazy conspiracy theory time but like what if jay were the poisoner and concocted this plan to take out me and kitsu at the same time. As in if he already poisoned me and knows I will pick kitsu in the tie then we're both gone and out of the way.

This doesn't make sense. You don't need to be tied for me to pull this maneuver if that's what I am doing.

Kitsu could be chopped 6-1 and you'd still die of poison in that scenario. The tie is irrelevant to it.

I am bothered that you are resisting this idea. It should be a pretty easy call for you compared to just about any other player.

Well you have to convince someone to move thier vote somewhere random

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:58 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:27 pm Could Wisp just be an evil role checker?

What makes you say that?

It would help explain why we are floundering on the Mafia-finding front.

I mean yeah jay is running under the assumption that all of wisps checks have for sure been accurate, which I don't know if that's true. I thought it was possible at least one of the checks was misled or misdirected in some way like a godfather or the redirection like when he and daisy checked you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:27 pm Could Wisp just be an evil role checker?

What makes you say that?

Crazy conspiracy theory time but like what if jay were the poisoner and concocted this plan to take out me and kitsu at the same time. As in if he already poisoned me and knows I will pick kitsu in the tie then we're both gone and out of the way.

Meaning Jack's rule about ties applies if I was no longer in the game probably.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:51 pm Note that, as I mentioned before, sabie’s role cannot be confirmed. It can only be disproven.

Still can quantify it. If ties are randomized, then there’s still a 50/50 chance of it going in her favor.

I guess if I die or didn't make a decision the ties would end up being randomized.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:09 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:19 pm It doesn't prove alignment. The more I look through kitsushels posts the more I see that she is capable of appearing to not know info and then later revealed she did. Meaning she is capable of lying and trying to make it look convincing, but is now looking for the liar... I think maybe I'll move my vote back to kitsu again for now.

[VOTE: kitsushel] aubergine

Ok, where did I say I didn’t know something and then turned around said I did? Other than alluding that I didn’t know what they Vig did night 2. Show me.

Your entire first page is pretending to not know anything about your role and speculating about the vig and jack daw and all that.

I still believe nutella could be the poisoner though. I don't see your role as being both but if it is that seems weird and overpowered.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:34 pm @sabie12 do you think there is a mafia team?

There is a killer that may or may not be on a team. I thought nutella was maybe that role I don't know if there are teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:43 pm I'm not sure why sabie is hesitating with this tiebreak idea.

Just saying if there's 7 people there's no guarantee I'm not just going to get chopped because someone will put a 4th vote on me. Unless I just tell you to vote elsewhere I guess. Is this your way of also proving your role?
Also, how am I hesitating? I mean like in your plan all I have to do is keep my vote on kitsu and break the tie. Everyone else also has to be on board and agree with you to do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:27 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:55 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:47 am In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

I was just going to say it would be funny if jack created a game that was just all town. It would be like a monsters are due on maple street type deal. Jack is the only real mafia making us all turn on each other.

this “what if we’re all town” speculation is, in my experience, more likely to actually come from town

I like that take. Sabie town.

If there’s one LC post I like, it’s this one. Hally’s positive mark for sabie is on the frivolous side, and LC was content to support it anyway. sabie is a player the mafia may need to chop to win the game just given her lower volume. It’s a small thing but whatever there you go.

Do you need me chopped to win the game?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:51 pm Note that, as I mentioned before, sabie’s role cannot be confirmed. It can only be disproven.

Whose to say that extra one isn't going to just pile on and vote me at the last second?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:21 pm I am experiencing a momentary confidence boost. Consider:

There was a night killer (Pawn). Long Con protects from night kills.

There is a poisoner. Epignosis treats poison.

These align appropriately.

If Epignosis is innocent, it is much harder to find a team for nutella. It’d be just Wisp I think? I don’t think that’s a team. It wouldn’t clear nutella of being independent, but at least Wisp checked her.

That means sabie and Kitsu are just the only candidates. Include me if you want, but you’ll be wrong.

Tie up sabie and Kitsu. Sabie decides the tie. Or she doesn’t. Go from there.

This requires solving the host which I hate to do. But I don’t know what else we’re supposed to do at this point. If someone sees a hole speak loudly.

There's 7 people though...

It doesn't prove alignment. The more I look through kitsushels posts the more I see that she is capable of appearing to not know info and then later revealed she did. Meaning she is capable of lying and trying to make it look convincing, but is now looking for the liar... I think maybe I'll move my vote back to kitsu again for now.

[VOTE: kitsushel] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:50 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:09 pm Kitsu made a post that accused me of using my role (or rather, the knowledge implied in my role) suboptimally but in the same sentence implied that I am "acting" (i.e., lying). Both cannot be true. The next post argues that JJJ can't be who he says he is because of there being a "plethora of Jacks." Another post leaves open the door for Long Con to be a liar. That post in particular says "someone here is lying." The use of the singular subject implies Kitsu knows there is only one liar (indeed, the text that follows this declaration implies it further- but contrast that wording with this post). This post passes the buck to TonyStarkPrime (and DrWilgy) for nutella eating Kitsu's vote, but at no point does Kitsu attempt to figure nutella out independently of those two things. This post implies suspicion of Wisp.

Everybody is bad means somebody is caught.

Okay so you're saying here like she says she believes there is one mafia and one 3p left, but then says "someone" is lying implying one person. So these posts make is seem like she's the 3p and trying to figure out who the poisoner is which she believes is mafia.

Also if you read the first page of her ISO she spends a lot of time pretending to analyze her own role/actions she later claimed. She also spelled her own role wrong and then corrected it later. She makes it a point to keep saying that it is probably a town vig rather than an SK or mafia. Like to convince people of it in case it came up later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:09 pm Kitsu made a post that accused me of using my role (or rather, the knowledge implied in my role) suboptimally but in the same sentence implied that I am "acting" (i.e., lying). Both cannot be true. The next post argues that JJJ can't be who he says he is because of there being a "plethora of Jacks." Another post leaves open the door for Long Con to be a liar. That post in particular says "someone here is lying." The use of the singular subject implies Kitsu knows there is only one liar (indeed, the text that follows this declaration implies it further- but contrast that wording with this post). This post passes the buck to TonyStarkPrime (and DrWilgy) for nutella eating Kitsu's vote, but at no point does Kitsu attempt to figure nutella out independently of those two things. This post implies suspicion of Wisp.

Everybody is bad means somebody is caught.

Okay so you're saying here like she says she believes there is one mafia and one 3p left, but then says "someone" is lying implying one person. So these posts make is seem like she's the 3p and trying to figure out who the poisoner is which she believes is mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:41 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:40 pm You mentioned trying to figure out who the poisoner is so I was responding to that. I don't think I know anymore than anyone else does what to do right now.

I just want to ensure I understand exactly what you meant. Were you proposing nutella is your lead candidate to be the poisoner, even if you're not sure?

Yeah unless LC is right and it's just been you this whole time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:28 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:22 pm My thought was look for the poisoner as well. I mean my logic was if there were so many millers it stands to reason there could be a godfather out there as well meaning the checks may not have all been accurate. Nutella says she used to her power on the check on her but she may not have.

What exactly are you proposing we do with the current chop?

You mentioned trying to figure out who the poisoner is so I was responding to that. I don't think I know anymore than anyone else does what to do right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:13 pm The lack of kills is just objective evidence of something I suspect (no traditional mafia) for other reasons too.

The POE pool felt so solid all game long because it was. People projected civilianhood and/or were given clearance by mechanical means. Someone still has to be chopped, and even as well acknowledged that the likes of Alison and Tony seemed town sometimes -- someone had to be chopped. Then they flipped town. Colin seemed the same way they did at times, which is why I hold out little hope of him being mafia.

Now we're in the same situation. I don't think Kitsu or sabie seem like mafia. They just don't. I'm not. So what "team" is left? Wisp's entire check crew? It just doesn't hold up to scrutiny any longer.

But we're still here and, again, someone has to be chopped. A poisoner exists. That much is a certainty. So my only interest today is in chopping the poisoner.

My thought was look for the poisoner as well. I mean my logic was if there were so many millers it stands to reason there could be a godfather out there as well meaning the checks may not have all been accurate. Nutella says she used to her power on the check on her but she may not have.

She also was one of the people who claimed miller. I guess I was going off the idea she wouldn't be the poisoner but she still could be 3p killer. Interesting she chose to claim that though if it is anit-town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:36 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:25 pm General question to anyone that has not yet addressed it. Is there more to the game than this?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:24 pm I said to Hally the other day that I’d name claim of I survived last night and I keep my word. Is that something that would be preferable at this point?

It might be. I have a theory about who you are and what you do, and it'd be nice to know whether or not I am on point.

I’m Jack Daw and I’m town. The downside to my Vig is that the kills are janitored due to the bullets being untraceable. So Agent Graves comes in afterward and cleans up the mess. (The heart attack scenes)

I chose FG night one because that was the town’s general consensus. I only have an action every other night, but I would’ve holstered anyway because the consensus wanted the vig to hold off if they knew they were janitoring. Last night, I again went with the suggestion of the town and chose Colin.

What are you asking?

Jack’s Day 2 poll tells us (implicitly) to vote for the player that killed Funnygurl.

Oh right yeah I thought you were saying she killed both of them or something. Hmmm yeah I guess you're right that is a good point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:25 pm General question to anyone that has not yet addressed it. Is there more to the game than this?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:24 pm I said to Hally the other day that I’d name claim of I survived last night and I keep my word. Is that something that would be preferable at this point?

It might be. I have a theory about who you are and what you do, and it'd be nice to know whether or not I am on point.

I’m Jack Daw and I’m town. The downside to my Vig is that the kills are janitored due to the bullets being untraceable. So Agent Graves comes in afterward and cleans up the mess. (The heart attack scenes)

I chose FG night one because that was the town’s general consensus. I only have an action every other night, but I would’ve holstered anyway because the consensus wanted the vig to hold off if they knew they were janitoring. Last night, I again went with the suggestion of the town and chose Colin.

What are you asking?

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:16 pm I can't actually ever see myself voting Epi, before Nutella
so like its either Kutsu or Nutella if we stick with the current trains
probably Sabie next

I agree with all of this (aside the part about me of course). I think I'm going to go with nutella right now, but we still have a whole other day left before end of day. The thing with kitsu is we do know she is a killer she has admitted to that but not knowing her alignment and alignment of the kills is hard to tell. However, she seems somewhat genuine in her responses and I dont know her well enough to know if that's something she would fake. The kill choice thing is iffy though because if she is 3p then she could kill the suspicious people and it wouldn't matter because she doesn't have a team and it seems weird that she would be a poisoner and a vig killer I don't know.

Nutella is less convincing and to me seems more like her scum or 3p games I've seen. It could be chalked up to subbing in the middle of a crazy game but ehh I don't know. It's gotta be someone and that's what I feel right now.
I feel worse about nutella.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I know wisp kind of mentioned that and in looking through nutellas posts I don't know if I read her as town. I would say epi has often said he is not a teammate busser and he did vote for wilgy. Wilgy didn't end up being the lynch target and then when nutella took over his read on her was town.

Nutellas suspicion of me because I said Millers could be scum hiding behind a fake claim seemed kind of forced and others had said that as well.

Shrug I'm not sure at this point. just trying to figure things out.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:15 pm I target someone and make their ability immune to being fucked with that night (so prevent redirects, blocks, etc)

Targeted Daisy n2 and Wisp n3 so those checks should be clear

She says this for the checks on her and epi. That she used her ability for both, but what if she didn't?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:44 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:36 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:35 pm Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

Has it? Ties are randomized.

what, then wtf is the point of their ability?

Maybe that’s not their ability. They never mentioned who they picked as the tie breaker until after Jack announced the yeet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:28 pm @KitsuShel why do you think Jack indicated in the Day 2 poll that we should be looking for you?

Oh sure, *now* you want to dig into flavor. (Teasing...or am I?)

I’m guessing because it was unknown who killed FG? I don’t think it means anything tbh.

I picked the person I voted for which was tony.

Nutella was a godfather in another game I checked her and got town and still somehow caught her. If her role helps kills go through doesn't that help anti town roles? Seems like a weird town power but I don't know.


I did break the tie and that is all I can do. Sorry my role isn't more useful than that. Jack must be laughing that he gave me a role and then contradicted it in the rules. He did throw in there that line about lying to us.


Was wondering if the blonde dude is Constantine. I tried googling blonde jack portals and that came up. It fits with the portals and demons and stuff. (Jack is a common nickname for john) Shrug idk.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:05 am The proposed timeline for Kitsu would be a bit awkward:

Night 1 - kill/janitor Funnygurl
Night 2 - poison Hally
Night 3 - kill/janitor Colin AND poison Spacedaisy
Night 4 - nothing OR poison unknown

She says the kills she admits to are every other night. I was going to say maybe the poison is opposite nights but then that doesn't fit here. However she also wants epi the person who claims to be the protector for poison to be lynched. So could go either way.


And to answer your other question I wouldn't rule out the possible existence of some kind of misdirection in wisps/Daisy's checks.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:35 pm Is there a good reason I should believe Kitsu is not an enemy of the civilian faction?

I've shared my thoughts on this. I feel like her role sounds like 3p or mafia more than town.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:56 pm like im just at a loss right now

Pretty much how I'm feeling at this point. I wondered if I should have picked jay in the tie, but if he is town then I'd be saying the same thing about tony. Sighhhh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:37 am Wisp can hopefully provide some crucial guidance here, whoever he decides to check.

He now says that was a limited shot power.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:04 am I suppose it's possible a tiebreak (e.g. sabie) is a decent 3P survival mechanism, in lieu of something more generic like a bulletproof vest.

It's town in this instance as I've stated before. It's cool I can feel good I've played an honest game even if Jack didn't make an honest game.

Thanks Jack, super trollin'.


How can kitsu be a janitor killer and a poisoner?
Do you 100 percent believe wisps claims are all accurate and there isn't a godfather role?
Why should we believe you aren't the poisoner?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:51 am (maybe) dying words: chop nutella for being suspicious

Maybe. interesting he chose to say this at the end rather than earlier.
Sigh maybe I should have gone for jay instead? I don't know.
RIP guys you both played well.



I'm falling asleep this end of day time is late for me.

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:38 pm just kidding
Kill the guy who can't confirm his ability

[mention]sabie12[/mention]
did you ever even claim?

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Uh yeah a couple times....
But I can repeat myself again. I am a tiebreaker I am Jack McCoy from law and order. There haven't been any ties so I haven't done anything yet.

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:30 pm [VOTE: SAbie] aubergine

Why though?

I mean if given the choice between jack the Ripper (regardless what version) or Jack McCoy from law and order... which of these sounds more likely to be a killer? Hmmm.... that's a tough one.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:22 pm I...... don't even know what I think tony is


Maybe I should vote for jay or sabie because I think one of them is the poisoner

Jay...maybe
Me...no. why do you say that?

I guess I dont know if I was waiting for something more definitive to happen. I just don't know. Throwing my vote on tony for now I guess.
[VOTE: tony] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:46 pm Mechanically of who’s left it makes the most sense to be Jay, and outside of a strong tone read on Jay probably Long Con is the second most likely. Has Long Con even revealed his power yet?

I'm a civilian.

I dunno where you come up with these conclusions.

You have the weirdest power claim when everyone else is doing something semi-normal. There is no confirmation of your role having any impact at any stage of the game. Everyone else has had some part of their claim verified. Is this not the case?

sabie
spacedaisy
you

Problem is there have been no ties so my role hasn't been used.

I think it would be useful to know if LC has used his protects on anyone so far.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:40 pm @KitsuShel @sabie12 what are your reads on one another?

I mean I always thought janitor kills were a mafia thing or 3p. And kitsu has been admitted to killing players. I don't know if she got results and isn't sharing them? I find it weird a town vig is a miller and janitors kills.

So to be clear: do you think Kitsu should be chopped?

I think if your theory is correct and there's no mafia and we need to get rid of threats to town then yes. I can also see why people are voting tony and that makes sense as a chop too. Him bringing up the soup kill thing and being adamant about knowing who people are ehhh. I'm having a hard time deciding. I think we may be entering monsters are due on maple street territory now but not sure.

Just got a tattoo feeling a little drained. I ordered some food though so hopefully that'll help.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:40 pm @KitsuShel @sabie12 what are your reads on one another?

I mean I always thought janitor kills were a mafia thing or 3p. And kitsu has been admitted to killing players. I don't know if she got results and isn't sharing them? I find it weird a town vig is a miller and janitors kills.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:19 am Like, seriously. What if Wisp is scum and he only shared the cards of his teammates because they told him what the fake info was? Or they just tweaked the roleS? That gets everyone to trust his info and gets scum off the POE early.

Idk. This has me all paranoid to hell right now. I know I’m town. I’m pretty sure JJJ by his diligence since Day 0, whether I agreed with the methods or not.

That thought also crossed my mind maybe I don't know.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:19 am if you're not exactly jack mccoy

Jack McCoy is from Law and Order. I've watched a loooot of Law and Order.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:59 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:52 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:04 am KitsuShel is my top candidate to be third party. Their role claim has three layers:

Odd night vigilante
Janitor
Miller

Two of three are negative. That’s atypical of the theme of roles so far. There are literal unrevealed kills. There may be evidence in the flavor.

[VOTE: KitsuShel] aubergine

I always thought janitor kills were a mafia thing but I guess who knows in this game. Maybe I'll vote there. Tony's conditional miller thing is also iffy. Shrug.

who are you
who
who
who
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That's CSI theme song close but wrong show.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:04 am KitsuShel is my top candidate to be third party. Their role claim has three layers:

Odd night vigilante
Janitor
Miller

Two of three are negative. That’s atypical of the theme of roles so far. There are literal unrevealed kills. There may be evidence in the flavor.

[VOTE: KitsuShel] aubergine

I always thought janitor kills were a mafia thing but I guess who knows in this game. Maybe I'll vote there. Tony's conditional miller thing is also iffy. Shrug.