The Syndicate

Lol damn I thought we had it. Oh well. Good game all and thanks for hosting G!

As usual I will try to stick around as long as possible

As usual I will try to stick around as long as possible

Well you don’t have to worry about me getting mad. I hope you don’t vote me and we win, but I understand how difficult end of game is.
And it’s just a game. No point staying mad over

No, G won’t be able to end it early. We are stuck in this long day lol

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:20 pm Okay, spreadsheet stuff:

Day 1 Votes:
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Day 2 Votes:
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Waterfall:
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EOD Wagons:
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@creature day 2 Alison voted me putting me at 4 then kept her vote on me the rest of the day and didn’t move off even though I was at risk most of the day. Not likely teammate behaviour

Its not but I understand the paranoia. I’ve doubted myself even today. “What if it’s actually creature?”

In a way I’m glad Rondo voted me first, so I don’t have any option but to vote him at this point. F3 is too stressful. I don’t envy your position.

Not that much stock is to be had in “I would have done this if I were mafia” claims. It’s what it is.
But I think if you think about it, given what I quoted and what you already thought then a Boq kill doesn’t make sense from me

No, you were likely to see I was town. Boq made it clear I could only be wolf with you, so if I was mafia I would have killed Rondo in this situation as he has been the most suspicious of me this entire game.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean

^^^ that is my answer to this question

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:41 pm Who tf even kills Boquise here?

I’m sure rondo thought it would be easier to convince you that I am bad over Boquise

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:11 pm but like, i dont think JJJ spends so much time trying to bury Creature during D1 and D2 as partner? It can be distancing for sure, but I just dont think thats his style? And Creature did do the clutch vote on JJJ at that eod.

So I am left with Fingers/Alison, Fingers/Rondo, Alison/Rondo.
And as I said earlier, Fingers only really make sense in a Creature/Fingers world.

I can for sure be wrong and like, Alison and Fingers doing some scum theatre today, or point at how Rondo has only entertained me as a wolf today and he and Fingers had barely any interaction. But I think Alison/Rondo is a good fit.

Alison, if you are town, you will need to convince me that the team is Rondo/Fingers

Probably the slowest EOD ever

Still nothing

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

I was hoping for a bit more discussion today

I wish people were around more. Funny how much I was accused of slanking and not posting to be the only one posting now

I don’t think anyone should be rushing to vote or end day early. It’s F3 and I think everyone should take their time with their decision

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:39 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:34 am I have plenty of time to vote.
Yes, but you should always be voting Rondo here and it's better to do now so you don't end up forgetting to like Alison did yesterday.

I don’t like voting pressure.
There is 0% chance of me missing the vote when I have over a day.

I have plenty of time to vote.

What are you thinking?

I’ll try and do more later

What a mess. I should really proofread before I post, but I wanted to get through as many of her posts as I could and didn’t have the time.
Sorry hope it’s not confusing or weirdly worded

That’s all I got time for right niw

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:25 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq

Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?

This could probably look different, but yeah
I actually think if Ender is W, Rondo is likely town because of how careful Ender seems to be around Rondo. (He claims it's how he treats Rondo every game, but Rondo has refused to corroborate this and if Ender is wolf I'm just going to assume he was full of shit about that.)

I also think that an Ender W flip would suggest his wagon is mostly pure since I don't think mafia would feel compelled to bus Ender right now when they could easily justify a vote on Jay.

This post is interesting to me. So Ender was labelled wolf here specifically for his treatment of Rondo, who refused to agree this is normal for Ender (who we now know to be town and wasn’t lying)
A lot of if Ender is W but no if Ender is town then this is clearly a bad look for Rondo. She wouldn’t want to spell that out for everyone about her teammate

Here Alison claims Ender is wolf

Ebwop that should say defending rondo when questioned by marmot

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:33 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:30 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:17 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:13 am Usually when you imply something, you don't say it, you just imply it.
I meant "what made you think I meant to imply your approach was bullshit".

I don't care about his approach. I don't think it's "bullshit", and as Rondo himself suggests, I've been known to use it myself. I'm more interested in understanding why he chose now to use it, and what made him decide to start doing detailed legacy analyses all of a sudden when he has been posting off the cuff for the rest of the game.

What do you think of his explanation?

Also what do you think of the hostility he showed toward you in that response?
His explanation was acceptable, if he was going for an overlap approach. I don't know why he couldn't have done it slightly earlier (eg. he could have overlapped Mac and Seanzie's reads yesterday), but he seemd a little busy D3 so I guess it makes sense.

I don't know what to make of the hostility. Gun to head, I don't think it's scummy, as a mafia Rondo would be fairly deep here and wouldn't want to make waves or make enemies. I'd like him to explain it more, though, because it seemed to come out of nowhere.

Defending Marmot when questioned about Rondo (right before Marmot is killed? I’d have to check the dates but I think this was his last day)

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:23 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:20 pm Looks good for Creature and Fingersplints since Marmot was shielding them.
I agree finger is less likely to make the Marmot kill when she could have killed lucy/Rondo or myself.

Tell me about your decision to try to wagon me at EOD at a moment where it seemed like Jay was going to go over.

Here Alison agrees with Nate I wouldn’t make that kill. She couldn’t even argue against this in her ongoing suspicion of me. She knew it doesn’t make sense

Also worth considering, why Rondo hasn’t been NK since he has been widely town read this game

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:13 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:21 amGood morning
Your thoughts on the game?

I was pretty disheartened by Nate's flip.

I don't know if I should be reconsidering my read on Jay's spew, because I thought it looked pretty bad for Nate and I was wrong.
I think I have either miscleared Rondo or that the team is Creature/fingers. The scum reads on Nate yesterday felt kinda impossible to debate against because everyone had decided he was scum tbh
I think I feel good about Rondo still.

We would in this position a day ago, with Nate still on the table as a misexe, if he had not unvoted.

Creature was a lesser clear, in that he placed his vote on Jay at a time where doing so wouldn't prevent Jay from forcing a tie. I liked him yesterday because of Jay spew, but that spew also looked bad for Nate. So I dunno if I should trust it.

I don't think Creature + you is a team.
I know I'm town, and Rondo is my clear. So I guess if Creature is mafia he's probably with finger, yeah.

If finger is mafia she can be with you or Creature.

If you're mafia, for the same reason that Creature is only mafia with finger, then I'd expect you're mafia with finger too.

So maybe we should just exe finger since she's the most likely mafia in every world. But I am not sure of anything right now and will be re-evaluating my read on everyone. I want to check her interactions with Jay.

More of the same: rondo is clear, I am “most likely”

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:12 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:13 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:21 amGood morning
Your thoughts on the game?

I was pretty disheartened by Nate's flip.

I don't know if I should be reconsidering my read on Jay's spew, because I thought it looked pretty bad for Nate and I was wrong.
I think I have either miscleared Rondo or that the team is Creature/fingers. The scum reads on Nate yesterday felt kinda impossible to debate against because everyone had decided he was scum tbh
I think I feel good about Rondo still.

We would in this position a day ago, with Nate still on the table as a misexe, if he had not unvoted.

Creature was a lesser clear, in that he placed his vote on Jay at a time where doing so wouldn't prevent Jay from forcing a tie. I liked him yesterday because of Jay spew, but that spew also looked bad for Nate. So I dunno if I should trust it.

I don't think Creature + you is a team.
I know I'm town, and Rondo is my clear. So I guess if Creature is mafia he's probably with finger, yeah.

If finger is mafia she can be with you or Creature.

If you're mafia, for the same reason that Creature is only mafia with finger, then I'd expect you're mafia with finger too.

So maybe we should just exe finger since she's the most likely mafia in every world. But I am not sure of anything right now and will be re-evaluating my read on everyone. I want to check her interactions with Jay.
Noted, I need to review the votals.

What I am noticing here is that you, like JJJ, are pairing me with Fingers. Why do I make sense with Fingers?
You don't make sense with anyone else.

I know I'm town, I'm pretty sure Rondo is town. That leaves Creature, and Finger as the two people you could be paired with. Except you attacked Creature yesterday while Nate was on the chopping block, and I don't see why you'd bus like that when you have an easy misexe. Your frustration at him for not cooperating also feels unpaired.

Therefore if you are mafia the partner you are most likely to have is finger.

I’ve been going through Alison’s posts and there is a lot of this push that it is me and Boq, while townclearing Rondo

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:07 pm Looks like this day will last 2 days regardless of what I do so you both have plenty of time to towncase yourselves and wolfcase each other. I will try to not confbias until it is close to deadline.

There is 0% chance of me going through all of Rondo’s posts to make a case.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:05 pm @fingersplints
@RondoDimBuckle

If I was wolf with Alison I could have easily voted Boquise to tie his wagon to Alisob which would result in a nolynch and a wolf win. Therefore I should be locked town here.

If I was a wolf I could have set my alarm to EOD to make sure I was awake and done the same thing you described here.

I voted Alison yesterday. She has been making cases on me and actively trying to get me out for days. I think it should be clear that I am not mafia just on the basis that it makes no sense for me to be teammates with Alison, but also the kills make no sense coming from me, specifically people like Marmot I never would have killed as they were my strongest defender

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:02 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:56 pm But I don’t see why it would end in a tie or why you would let it if town

Alison 1 (fingersplints)
Boq 2 (rondo, creature)

Alison has expressed interest in voting me.

If both boq and Alison vote to self pres it would be Boq in the lead. Even if Alison doesn’t return and vote and it is tied, you said yourself you wanted Alison and Boq meaning you could just easily switch your vote.
This post concerns me about you
If the wolfteam is exactly Alison + Boquise and you/Rondo split votes between them, then no matter where I vote I can't bring any of them to 3 votes. Alison and Boquise can just put two votes on town and guarantee a tie to win.

Gotcha I understand now

But I don’t see why it would end in a tie or why you would let it if town

Alison 1 (fingersplints)
Boq 2 (rondo, creature)

Alison has expressed interest in voting me.

If both boq and Alison vote to self pres it would be Boq in the lead. Even if Alison doesn’t return and vote and it is tied, you said yourself you wanted Alison and Boq meaning you could just easily switch your vote.
This post concerns me about you

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:37 pm I have a nasty feeling this game will end with a tie.

finger and Rondo have split their votes and I'm not sure if they're coming back.

I’m still around but growing increasingly tired

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:33 pm saving some quotes and stuff, not done yet, but just want to colour this read list

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:05 am If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:

Alison
Boquise
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
Seanzie
NateTheLesser

---[POE LINE]---

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Marmot

Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.
Not gonna write a conclusion yet

Fixed the broken code

So if you/Alison/rondo are teammate of JjJ that means he put both teammates in town read and none in PoE.
Not sure what is most likely for Jay. I personally would split them up, so idk doesn’t make me feel better about creature but not a strong point as it’s theorising on what others would do based on what I’d do

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:18 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:00 pm Welp looks like it'll be an Alison v finger thunderdome which is not really my ideal thunderdome
by votal it is currently a me vs fingers thunderdome and if one of you and rondo is town, we have lost tbh
I'm still open to switch. Just give me a wolf and if I nod I'll go with it.
What is your “ideal thunder dome”
Alison v Boq

Because lol if we missed you and Rondo all game

According to the poll, Boq has two votes and Alison has one.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:00 pm Welp looks like it'll be an Alison v finger thunderdome which is not really my ideal thunderdome
by votal it is currently a me vs fingers thunderdome and if one of you and rondo is town, we have lost tbh
I'm still open to switch. Just give me a wolf and if I nod I'll go with it.

What is your “ideal thunder dome”

Despite me saying I am most likely to vote Alison, and her insistence that I lock voted when I at the time hadn’t even voted yet, I am still considering the other options and can be swayed by a great case. I actually wouldn’t have even voted her yet had she not decided to go the uninspiring route of trying to place the attention back on me.

@Creature @RondoDimBuckle @Boquise I’m willing to hear whatever you got. I still got a few hours in me

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian

Ok no I had that right. He’ll probably come around soon

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:02 pm Rondo not being here kinda worries me

What time is it in Australia?
Is he in Australia or did I completely imagine that?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:03 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:03 am
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:36 pm Also I kind of townread fingersplints.

lol if they are wolf and survived this long untouched.
look if finger has made it this far as wolf by basically slanking I am fine for her to win and it be a lesson for all of us to kill slankers faster
:/

But as I am town maybe the real lesson here is that “slanking” is in most cases NAI. Some people post less. Some people post more.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:00 pm Welp looks like it'll be an Alison v finger thunderdome which is not really my ideal thunderdome

Alison saying this does not make it need to be true.

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:40 am Boquise, if you are town you should probably be pushing Alison. It's highly unlike any wolfteam combination of finger/Rondo/me would leave both of you alive to F5. I know if I was wolf I would've probably killed Alison N2 instead of Seanzie who wasn't particularly a threat for me. Also, Alison was clearly a bigger vote than Marmot EOD4 yet Marmot died. Marmot didn't feel like a danger to me either, unless you're exactly my wolf partner.
You have a point regarding Alison, but wolves would definitely want to keep me until lylo since I am the designated misyeet. Just how Nate was the designated misyeet.

If we want to continue down the “why hasn’t this person been NK’d yet because they have been pretty universally NK’d yet” then I think we should consider rondo on that basis
However I think Alison made a good rebuttal about both the last also being widely townread. I guess tonight’s kill might give us info if we make it that far

I don’t even understand how I “initiated a thunderdome”

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:55 pm And don't you dare blame me if you are town and we lose, when you initiated the thunderdome on the basis that I could be partnered with anyone, ignored my arguments that I'm not partnered with people, and then decided to lock your vote on me while declaring you won't be around to change it at EOD. You forced my hand, not the other way around.

Umm ok
Yea I’ve never blamed someone for a loss

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:55 pm And don't you dare blame me if you are town and we lose, when you initiated the thunderdome on the basis that I could be partnered with anyone, ignored my arguments that I'm not partnered with people, and then decided to lock your vote on me while declaring you won't be around to change it at EOD. You forced my hand, not the other way around.

Umm ok
Yea I’ve never blamed someone for a loss

I did not declare I was going to lock vote on you and just leave. I said I would be around off and on for 6 or 7 hours. I think that it’s important for the thread to know where I am at so town can work together. And yes I do think you are most likely

You say you made a case why boq and you couldn’t be teamed that u ignored, but you also ignored boq’s reasons why we couldn’t be paired.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:22 pm I don't know if I'll be around for EOD, frankly. My sleep schedules and IRL commitments have not lined up well with EOD timings.

I am just going to [VOTE: finger] aubergine before bed and hope it is her, because finger seems set on me and isn't going to be around EOD, which means if she's villa the game is over regardless.

If I am around for EOD, I will adjust my vote as appropriate.

You say “seems set on me” but you haven’t even attempted to change my mind.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:00 pm How many more hours do you have, finger?

I’ll probably be dipping in and out for the next 6 or 7 hours. Large gaps in my presence while I do parenting duties

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:54 am Boq/Rondo could be a world too, but I feel like Rondo wouldn't bus?

I don’t think mafia would vote their teammate this early in this scenario. Why make the game harder at this point? All you have to do is wait for one town misvote and then both vote there

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