The Syndicate

@JaggedJimmyJay it was nice to get to play with you all again!
I’m signed up for another game now, and I’ll see how that goes. But should have enough time to get a few more games in.

While this definitely wasn’t my favourite gaming experience, no need to be ‘made an example of’.

I’m sorry for abandoning my good read of you Enrique. I knew it was your town game, but I was paranoid, running out of options, and wanted the group to stick together.

At least in the end I didn’t have to worry about people who didn’t put as much time in as us getting to claim the win too

I think the game is out of our hands at this point.

This many successful blocks is tough to believe as it is.

I guess the absence of a mafia kill would even out two lynch powers if that is what we are up against. But on the flip side, if that is the case, wouldn’t it have made most of the town actions kind of pointless. Without any night kills or mafia night actions, I’d only be able to successfully block civvies. Trackers would only get information if they tracked a civvie because the mafia went no where at night.

I blocked KZA last night.
If Enrique is mafia, I don’t think it’s possible for both poison and KZA to also be mafia and the game to be still going on so that would mean either last night or N4 the blocks would be not a cause.
Also if Enrique is mafia, I don’t know that missed kills would be a possibility anymore because I think he’s been around almost all periods to send it in, and I’m also not sure he would agree to abstain from a kill.

I guess it doesn’t really matter anyways. We’ll find out end of day if it’s a lie or not.

Do you think KZA actually has a lynch stop? If the team is Enrique +2 vote, KZA lynch stop (no kill?) would that make sense for a balanced game when the only vote manipulation for the town is a one use vote cancel of Epi?

Tbh I hosted a lot of games in the past but the role balance was never my strong suit. That’s was Roxy’s job

I’m just going to go ahead and [VOTE: vote Enrique] aubergine

If Enrique shows up and votes no eviction, we still need Poison to get in here and vote Enrique to have a lynch today.

I’m tired of thinking of these ideas. I need some answers whether right or wrong, and it’s too late in the game to abandon all trust. If it’s misplaced trust, again they deserve it at this point

I’m just trying to exhaust all possible vote ideas where Enrique is town and something happens like another town (KZA?) votes off for no reason or just doesn’t show up (poison?)
I don’t know that any of those are town tbh

Enrique seemed pretty pro non eviction iirc, and now KZA just comes out without talking and voting that. So maybe it’s those two for mafia, in which case IF KZA isn’t lying about a lynch stop, we may have no lynch today on the Enrique vote and we’ll have to repeat tomorrow. I guess if there is no lynch it’s be confirmation that they are together, although the game would just drag at that point

KZA has voted no eviction without saying anything.

I’m fairly paranoid about this vote. There is no conversation to it, and I’m just a bit worried I was wrong about one of my most trusted.
Because if it’s not Enrique that is the only other option for it to possibly over today.

Hypothetical situation here
Town vote: me, Epignosis/JJJ, Enrique = 4
Mafia vote: KZA, Poison, Epignosis/JJJ = 3

I guess then I get into questioning if KZA is really mafia, and if KZA actually has a lynch stop because in the hypothetical there or in a two person KZA/Enrique team they would obviously use it today, and then we’d have to repeat the exact situation tomorrow.

KZA might be town still. I’m sure I’ll end up voting with Epi and JJJ anyways despite this paranoia. At this point if either are mafia they deserve the win for their deception.

Also, I’d like to say on the topic of the earlier win condition discussion. Although I’m clearly on the survive to win” side of things, I’m also “pro-host choice” for almost everything, so wouldn’t disagree with a host with how they chose to run a game. I prefer a site that allows for different mechanics like that, because the variety makes it more interesting. Like this whole info in the thread thing that I am new to. I don’t think I prefer it this way by any means, but it was fun for a change just to be able to blurt it all out.

I just personally won’t consider it a win on the imaginary scoreboard in my head if I’m not alive at the end.

We are at a point where I’m almost hoping for someone to be night killed just to give us something new to talk about. The thread has completely died.

Definitely only just almost though, because that could be game over for all I know. Or not if the “no mafia” theories are to be believed.

Well I wholeheartedly disagree with all that. Yes some civilians who deserve a win would miss out, but a lot who don’t would be rewarded for barely participating. I can’t believe someone who played a game for two days ever deserves a win as much as someone who put weeks into it. I say this as someone who barely ever wins and still works for the town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:39 pm It has been a long time since a game had a survive-to-win rule for civilians. They all win dead or alive. I don't see this explicitly stated by G-Man either way.

Seriously? That is so incredible lame. What is the incentive for actually playing in that case? Can just be killed early or barely post at all and let everyone else do all the work

So still no one talking. Ok I’ll think out loud to myself I guess

We have 7 players left. Possibilities are 2 mafia 5 town or 3 mafia 4 town.

If we lynch another town today, we might be in trouble.

If scirrus is mafia as we suspect, who would be e teammates. Poison? KZA? Enrique? Both KZA and Enrique have some lynch manipulation so we might be in trouble. Really hoping it’s poison and scirrus and that’s it

Ok I switched. My reevaluate of my suspicions earlier put scirrus slightly above poison.

Well that’s a lot

I don’t really like the idea of the “no eviction” lynch. That would have been an idea to try out something like day 1 when there weren’t any strong suspicions. I’m pretty sure I actually even pointed out that it was on the poll day 1, and asked what it was about, but no one wanted to discuss it then. Not an option I’m going to take now.

Sorry my head is a bit fuzzy right now, but who is the player that claimed the lynch stop? Was it KZA? Just trying to remember what potential lynch manipulations are out there. (I remember that Enrique has an extra vote and Epi already used his vote cancel)

Today’s vote comes down to scirrus and poison for me. Scirrus for preexisting suspicion plus today’s push of the “no eviction.” Plus how he is handling both JJJ and Enrique. Enrique he is basically vouching for. Is this another situation where he is distancing from someone with heat on them so if/when Enrique comes back civvie, he doesn’t have a part in it? With JJJ, it just seems a bit like subtle name dropping of suspicion. Sowing little seeds of distrust for later if you will, because one of the “more trusted” will eventually have to go.

Poison, I think might be mafia, but tbh she’s not given us much. So if I’m wrong about that, I wouldn’t feel too bad except for from a numbers perspective it puts us closer to losing.

I think I’m talking myself more into scirrus here, but I’ve got time.

Poison.

I’m considering voting there. Not in the slightest because of the role block but just because this “I’m too busy to post suspicions.” Could be just a convenient way to try to fly under the radar.

Either way if you aren’t playing you aren’t playing.

[VOTE: vote Poison] aubergine

Does anyone even want to know who I blocked? That’s gotten us nowhere

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:44 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:41 pm Mafia being able to stop a chop would be total BS imo and I don't think my role should be considered potentially scum

Think I'm lying and have a different Mafia role? Sure

But I'm never Mafia and able to stop a chop

Seen it before multiple times. It has been a while, but G-Man is a long-time Syndicateer with memories from the eras when it happened more often.

Same. I’ve seen mafia with lynch stops and switches.
I’ve even seen games where mafia looks good when checked or lynched. I’m not saying that is the case here, because I don’t want to start down that hole. I’m just saying anything’s possible. I’ve pretty much seen it all lol

I don’t know anymore.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:02 pm I’m not home tonight and can’t do much.

I’m betting on a mafia team containing either two or three of these:

Scirrus, Grogu, Enrique

If that’s correct, chop them all and we win. Shouldn’t matter how many. May need to ensure Enrique isn’t last to go because of the double vote.

Vote Grogu for now. I caught him in a lie.

Also from a my ability strategy wise, I blocked him last night, so if that is the team I can’t block him tonight to try and stop the kill.

[VOTE: vote grogu] aubergine

Responses still not sitting well with me, plus that block last night.

I also only just realised that there was a vote function. I was wondering how you guys were doing that

I forgot about
It’s bringing back so many memories for me. I miss playing with SVS

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:32 pm Pause motherfuckers.

The suspense is intense.

This is poison’s only post for the day:

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:03 am kza didnt use any abilities last night

Scirrus has not posted.

That is correct.

So I must have missed that quote Epi just posted from JJJ talking about is grogu’s role opposite from his own because it’s oppositely aligned. Or I wasn’t really thinking about grogu’s role until now. Either way, I have a thought I just had on the matter.

IF grogu is lynched and IF that is his role with a MAFIA alignment, it would clear scirrus, right? For that role to have any point of existing on a mafia team there has to be a town vig. Or am I missing something.

I don’t know yet who I think is the best lynch. Still probably leaning grogu, but also still not feeling great about scirrus, and Poison’s lack of recent activity also has me concerned.

I definitely don’t completely trust Enrique or KZA, but for now they are reading more genuine to me.

I still trust Epi and JJJ, if that wasn’t obvious.

So if I had to list from most likely mafia to most likely town it’d be

Grogu
Scirrus

Poison

Enrique
KZA

Epignosis
JJJ

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:03 am kza didnt use any abilities last night

Care to add any contribution to the discussion?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:03 am One thing I want to say about a point @fingersplints has made: that mafia would be disinclined to abstain a kill with the game dwindled down so much.

I don't think that's necessarily true, at least not if there are three of them. 5 vs. 3 is hardly worse to them than 4 vs 3 is -- either way it's one bad elimination and a/or night kill (lol) away from game over. Keeping power roles alive may seem risky, but if they're not killing anyway a roleblocker is less concerning. I doubt they give a crap about my role, Epi is out of claimed shots now (and only had a vote manipulation left), KZA's role claim is a day ability that explicitly harms civilians no matter how it's used (even if KZA is one of them). Poison's role may seem threatening, which is why I think Grogu would be a sensible option to carry a kill -- losing him to a track may seem less damaging than losing someone deeper to a track.

If there are two of them that doesn't apply, and we're not in a massive emergency quite yet.

No clue what it is though.

IF Enrique is bad, his vote is worth two right? So 4 instead of 5, could mean the difference in controlling the lynch/pushing no lynch then attempting a night kill.

Again this is IF Enrique is bad. IF they have three.

I think I just have a hard time believing mafia wouldn’t want to kill anyways. I don’t think I’ve ever been in a game with talk of abstaining from a kill.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:53 amWhat are the other reasons? Why would u be alive?

Ok, well I addressed why I didn’t trust you yesterday.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:23 am And tbh I hate when players don’t post and then get to claim a win, so it’s time to cut the extras.

Grogu’s few posts have been
- messing around in the thread
- saying Marmot is off limits. Pretty strong defence. Mafia would know he was civvie
- conveniently showing up and apologising for inactivity once the votes start

There was a couple more but also unsubstantial

Since then, you had many posts about how could we lynch Alison over scirrus and Enrique? So you seemed to trust in the potential blocks from yesterday, all while saying you doubt both me and Epi, so why so against specifically them if not the blocks because you haven’t given any really solid reasons. (Also again, same with Marmot of course you would know Alison was a civvie if you are bad) Your latest posts have now been just accusing anyone who mentions you. So yea overall it’s not really a good look.

As to “why would I be alive?” Why wouldn’t I be? There has only been one kill at night.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:11 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:54 am @fingersplints what motivated you to block Grogu this time around?

Because there was a big push for him yesterday, then the tides of the thread changed, he was saved and a civvie was lynched. I thought he was bad yesterday and his posts since have done nothing to change my mind.

He is claiming I would have blocked the person again last night, but I couldn’t block scirrus again and I’m not sold on Enrique plus if he was mafia he kept posting in thread to be blocked again so it seemed to me like not the right choice.

I never said that. I said that if I was scum then scirrus who would be scum too since you blocked him should have carry the kill again.
You blocked all 3 nights and they was no kill. Why you think today was a real stop?

I literally just answered that to you tonight. Other nights there were other abilities out there, or inactivity that led me to believe the kill could have been missed.

My suspicion of you is not based on just the block alone.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:04 am Hold on let me check something

Nvm it’s 5 am and I thought I though of something clever but it’s not.

I do know that I don’t really want grogu and the block to be the only discussion for the day. Only talking about blocks has gotten us no where.

Hold on let me check something

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:54 am @fingersplints what motivated you to block Grogu this time around?

Because there was a big push for him yesterday, then the tides of the thread changed, he was saved and a civvie was lynched. I thought he was bad yesterday and his posts since have done nothing to change my mind.

He is claiming I would have blocked the person again last night, but I couldn’t block scirrus again and I’m not sold on Enrique plus if he was mafia he kept posting in thread to be blocked again so it seemed to me like not the right choice.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:55 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:48 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:06 am splints claimed to block you Grogu, not Epignosis. Does this impact your perspective?

Yeah then it applies to finger.
Very opportunistic

I would agree that your accusations are very opportunistic .
You are just accusing anyone at this point.

I don’t really by that mafia would just abstain from the kill, when they haven’t had a single kill this game. This close to the end, reducing the numbers would be priority.

So your solve is that each day you blocked the scum submitting and they have allowed you to? Haha this is dream status.

When did I say that my block stopped the kill every night? I wouldn’t claim this as I know for a fact it didn’t at least N1 with LC.
The other nights there were other actions out there. Protections. Other blocks. Possibility of abstained or missed from inactivity kills. I believe it was JJJ pointed out every player checked in last night so it wasn’t likely to be missed.
That would leave abstain (which as I said I don’t think makes a ton of sense with numbers this low) or actions and I don’t think there are a any other blocks/protects left out there?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:06 am splints claimed to block you Grogu, not Epignosis. Does this impact your perspective?

Yeah then it applies to finger.
Very opportunistic

I would agree that your accusations are very opportunistic .
You are just accusing anyone at this point.

I don’t really by that mafia would just abstain from the kill, when they haven’t had a single kill this game. This close to the end, reducing the numbers would be priority.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:08 am You played with me before. What are the chances you think I would carry the kill when I know that the player blocked the night before cannot be blocked again?

The only player blocked last night who cannot be blocked again was scirrus. Potential slip up here?

I blocked grogu

I don’t know that I have ever been this excited for an end of game to read what the hell really happened on the nights.

Excited doesn’t really feel like the right word here. Anxious? Driven mad by curiousity? Where is Epignosis when you need him?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:46 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:17 pm Everyone has been meh in this game.

I’m town. If it’s neither blocked player then it’s probably inactive players. That will now be impossible to interpret with KZA here so pretty much screw it.

Apologies for my “meh”ness. Getting used to mafia again + mislynching LC + people not being around when I am to discuss + my RL loss devastating me.

I’m still not sold on the case on Enrique. I’m looking at grogu, poison, KZA, and scirrus for a combination of possible block/missed actions and just feels. Some I feel seem a bit more town friendly in the thread but everyone can’t be town at this point. Someone is fooling us.

You have nothing to apologize for. This is certainly no memorable performance from civilian Jay, and you have much better reasons.

Could you try to summarize briefly what makes you like Enrique as a civilian read more than the four names you listed?

His reactions just feel kind of honest and genuine to me. And unlike some of the others who have been inactive or come and gone throughout the game, his interactions feel consistent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:38 pm Why not.

@Poison what are your thoughts on, well, anything? You vanished.

@Scirrus would you agree that your play fettered off significantly after a strong Day 1, and if so why did that happen? Separately, can you envision any version of this game with a civilian Enrique?

@Enrique can you envision any version of this game with a civilian Scirrus?

@fingersplints why did you choose the block targets that you chose?

@Grogu you complained about me including you in a process of elimination pool yesterday? Why the hell shouldn't I?

LC just because his post seemed mostly following and not really putting anything forward. Seemed like it could be mafia motivated. Obviously that was incorrect.

Scirrus I was beginning to be less trusting of the role claim, and was hoping if there was another failed kill it might prove that the Marmot kill was just the regular mafia kill, not vig related. I then realized with Epi’s block/missed action potential that It proves nothing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:17 pm Everyone has been meh in this game.

I’m town. If it’s neither blocked player then it’s probably inactive players. That will now be impossible to interpret with KZA here so pretty much screw it.

Apologies for my “meh”ness. Getting used to mafia again + mislynching LC + people not being around when I am to discuss + my RL loss devastating me.

I’m still not sold on the case on Enrique. I’m looking at grogu, poison, KZA, and scirrus for a combination of possible block/missed actions and just feels. Some I feel seem a bit more town friendly in the thread but everyone can’t be town at this point. Someone is fooling us.

I agree with JJJ. All this does is prove the role but not the alignment.

This is very frustrating

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:03 pm Enrique
Alison
Scirrus

Bad.

If you think all three are bad, keep in mind I blocked scirrus last night, so I can’t again tonight. The other two I can

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:16 pm Okay I have moved back to Scirrus. If Enrique is real then Alison will die.

@Epignosis any concerns?

I’m not Epi, but yes. If he is lying then there will be no Lynch and we wasted a day

I’ll switch there too.

vote scirrus

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:24 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:50 pm I have 8 posts left after this one.

Can anyone provide an Alison-mafia theory that doesn't rely on her abstaining kills or being teamed with a blocked player (Enrique and/or Scirrus)?

Long Con had a copying ability? I don’t know what to make of his use of that because his posts made it seem like he was vanilla.

That wouldn’t explain night 2 as obviously he was blocked.

Not so much as a theory as much as pointing out that at least N1 there might have been more power abilities out there that we aren’t accounting for with his copy. I doubt LC would miss or abstain from using this ability.

Can you clarify what sentence 2 is about? LC was chopped D2 and thus dead for N2

You are correct. That is just me being stupid and feeling like this game has been going on for longer than it has I added an extra day in my head

Well scratch all that than I have no ideas on that front.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:09 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:22 am As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.

I don’t know that I buy in this small of a game the mafia would be given an extra kill.

We just lynched a civ by following “mechanically outed”

The possibility here is that Scirrus is lying about being a civilian vigilante and is just straight up mafia.

I know. That is what I had been hoping to test with my block last night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:50 pm I have 8 posts left after this one.

Can anyone provide an Alison-mafia theory that doesn't rely on her abstaining kills or being teamed with a blocked player (Enrique and/or Scirrus)?

Long Con had a copying ability? I don’t know what to make of his use of that because his posts made it seem like he was vanilla.

That wouldn’t explain night 2 as obviously he was blocked.

Not so much as a theory as much as pointing out that at least N1 there might have been more power abilities out there that we aren’t accounting for with his copy. I doubt LC would miss or abstain from using this ability.