The Syndicate

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:34 pm Also no one cared about my town case on Finger tho so lol

I care

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 pm Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

It’s be a solid check. She’s a formidable mafia player, quite capable of fooling so it’s be nice to know if she’s actually trust worthy

To add to my last post, while I’ve turned around my stance on Ender and am pondering his connections to Rondo, I am not ready to actively start suspecting Rondo yet. He is an easy mislynch due to his wacky posting so just a thought. It’s more like if Ender comes back bad, I might start reconsidering him but not ready to go there at this moment

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:18 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:15 pm I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today
Who do you want to vote?

If my vote wasn’t going to end up self pres, I’d probably
Pick creature or maybe Ender due to I felt (and I wasn’t around for the end of day so maybe I’m wrong with this as it’s to the best of my recollection) but I felt like the falcon wagon caught most steam when creature was a nominee yesterday. And less mention of someone in the hot spot always makes me kind of wary. Like where did that suspicion go.

Ender I thought was sounding ok, but my opinion there has reversed. He sounds less confident than I remember town Ender to be and I would expect stronger town lead. Idk he would also be my answer to the question someone posed to everyone who would they check.
When reading his posts yesterday my initial thought was also him and rondo weren’t paired, because they are friends but interacting way too much in the thread. I don’t think partners even friends would be that blatant. But then I keep going back to one post of his in my head where I felt he was almost annoyed rondo kept mentioning him, so it’s made me question that thought as well.
Sorry again cause I don’t plan on going back to find those posts, but at least if I don’t make it today there’s some food for thought for you guys lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:14 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:13 pm I have very little brain capacity atm so can’t focus on any reading back, but if anyone has any questions now I’ll answer them to the best of my ability.
What gave you the impression that Seanzie and I are T/T?

You, I already thought were town. I believe I mentioned you in the “four people” exercise you gave the group the last day period.
Sean I was not sure of. He is another person who I’m historically pretty crap at reading, but I like his posts. Seems like he is working out solutions and suspicions in the thread. Thinking outside of the box. I don’t believe a mafia would go after you in the thread, when there are much easier options. Therefore while I don’t agree with his points on you, I can’t see it coming from a scum place

I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

I have very little brain capacity atm so can’t focus on any reading back, but if anyone has any questions now I’ll answer them to the best of my ability.

All I can do for now

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:41 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.
67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.
yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
Fingersplints, do you recall what changed regarding Falcon for you? Prior to this point in your ISO, it seemed like you perhaps had a reason to think Falcon's actions were at least town-compatible. When did you start to suspect them?

I do not recall specifically when I started to suspect him. Tone of his posts + thread suspicion + my nature to suspect falcon/inability to read him

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm I actually do have something.
I wonder if Finger's vote on me is close to outing.
I read through her ISO, and I think she's probably mafia.

I even have a post game cred team, which I might post later.

“Outing” is a weird leap to make and quite a stretch.

I don’t know what a cred team is

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:13 pm I should probably explain why I think she's mafia.
Her posts doesn't go anywhere.
I think she knew Falcon was town and that is coming through in her posts, for example when talking about Mac's read on Falcon.
Her vote on me is preemptive self pres, with added non-reasoning.
And yes, it is silly. But I think she would feel the urge to do that as mafia, and not town.

Just my feelings on it.

[VOTE: Fingers] aubergine

My vote on you had little thought behind it. It was a spur of the moment, jokey vote which is why I used :yay:

and

when casting it

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:49 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:10 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:18 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:03 am To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.

Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.

I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.

I'd call her town right now.
Does Finger tend to use aggressive phrasing as town when questioned?
Have I used aggressive phrasing?
Yup tbh!
Or well it is hard to put words on what I identified there tbh

I guess I’m surprised by this. I didn’t think I’d been particularly aggressive this game. But ok

4 votes lol
Honestly couldn’t have picked a worse day to take the vote lead
I almost want to lament the real life reasons behind my absence just to annoy Rondo

I’ll see what I can do

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:49 pm Celebrating my 10000 posts anniversary by mentioning I'm happy to be a part of this community,
and to be floating around in the larger mafia community multiverse.

I still remember how welcoming everyone was when I played my first games here at Cindy Kate!

Hopefully, we can continue to have fun with this silly or deep game!

Maybe the real wolves were the friends we made along the way.

Congrats

A vote for you to celebrate

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Also thanks to those who answered my question about Boq. The wording is less weird since they do seem to be considered town, however it does still ping me a little when anyone talks about them myself in terms of being so town.
They are still null for me I guess

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:45 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:41 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:50 am In terms of suspicion around and votes for Falcon, this is a vote I'm interested in hearing more about. Offers a town perspective on Falcon early (not really a read, more "I would expect this from him as town"), and then later on has him as a scumlean but with an out of saying they always think he's scum and have been wrong before.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny

Sean's a wolf
This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm

why why why
It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.

t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.
Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:27 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am

Have you played with scum!Falcon?
Yes

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?
Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:04 pm I’m going to try and be around still for the rest of the EOD but I’m already getting tired.

We are currently tied falcon vs creature. If it stays like that I support a falcon vote more than a creature vote. I think he is the more suspicious of the two, and I think that we can form some decent connections with his flip given a lot of folks have given opinions or had interactions with him. More than anything though I don’t want it to end in the tie option. Again I’ll try to stay up
I'm good with a vote here for now.
[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine
Well I wasn’t wrong that when I think he is scum, he is town. It was a weak day 1 vote based off of general vibes and tone, so I can see why my vote should be looked at because I think it was a pretty lame and vague vote but just because it’s a bad vote it doesn’t come from a bad/scum place. As I expressed in the post you linked, I didn’t want it to be a tie and no result. While this obviously wasn’t the desired result, at least we have something to work with.
Do you remember why you preferred Falcon over Creature at this point?

I don’t have anything specific unfortunately just a vibe I was getting. Falcon stood out to me more. I’d like to have a closer look at Creature today

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:30 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:18 pm I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.
I like your guys little back and forth there
Do you have any thoughts on our alignments based on our little back and forth?

T/T

It’s important to not get to comfortable with town consensus, so while I don’t agree with your assessment of Jay but I really like where it’s coming from

@NateTheLesser i can’t see whatever vote thing is everyone is taking about, so can you tell me who were the other main contenders for yesterday were other than falcon?
Creature, marmot, Ender? I’m trying to remember to think the likelihood of the falcon wagon being a save of anyone
Thank you

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:48 am JJJ votes on Falcon a quick scroll through the iso shows he doenst move off falcon
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:44 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Nate the lesser jumps on after and doesnt move off falcon as well
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NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:40 am Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.
Then Creature, who votes, moves around jumps on falcon a second time and ends up on Ender

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Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:25 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:51 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

After is Ender, who will jump onto Dizzy and back on later

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:35 pm [GIF]
what is the significance of those four Creature posts to you
They read like someone who's having trouble engaging in the game. Creature is far more assertive as town, those are pot stirring, wall flower posts
never mind

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:15 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I just remembered thanks to Rondo that I disliked Falcon's Creature push.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:01 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Next is Seanzie who jumps off onto wiggly
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Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:33 am [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Then Naked vote by Fingersplints (I believe she explains later)
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fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine
Then Dizzy
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:08 pmMost likely, I won't vote anyone.
Jk

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Second creature here]
Marmot but ends on Ender
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Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:54 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I'm going to read his ISO, but I'm having trouble reading his current behavior as townie.

The picture of vote I took before vote madness
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viewtopic.php?t=2389&start=1600#p928315
Dizzy
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:55 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now there’s enough votes for bussing to happen.

Gottem.
Ender
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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:01 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Ender 2 is here]
Alison
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Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:28 pm I did not realize it was EOD already. Luckily I checked before heading off to breakfast.

It seems like Creature isn't going over today and I think falcon is more suspicious than Ender so I'm moving my vote accordingly.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I'm ok with a falcon exe - the way he treated Mac was weird and seemed to have no purpose other than randomly discrediting and shading him.

Lucy
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lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:34 pm [VOTE: @falcon45ca ] aubergine

So Marmot is the last off, Lucy is the last on. Does a wolf who knows the Flip do that? This gets into WIFOM territory but I really am having a hard time seeing it. But Mac says murder Marmot. JJJ and Boq are on first and they really dont move Is that wolfy? I dunno they would have to deal with the flakk. So I would be looking towards the center of the pack for 1-2

This was a pain in the ass to format and search for so I might have missed something. You can reference Nakeds nice spreadsheet to double check I just noticed I have dizzy twice, Im not changing it

A) Creature, Ender, Finger, Dizzy, Alison - 1-2 of

B)Possibly one of JJJ, Nate, Lucy, Marmot if you think a wolf is that ballsy - 1 of and 1 of above

D)Or if you think we are way off it could be none of the above and 3 of
Boquise, Seanzie, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle

Which I dont think is really viable, at least from my point of view its unlikely that Boq/Seanzie/Wigly are all wolf. So it must be some sort of split of A:1-2 B:0-1 C:0-1

So we just need to find the most wolfy in those groups
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fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:41 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:50 am In terms of suspicion around and votes for Falcon, this is a vote I'm interested in hearing more about. Offers a town perspective on Falcon early (not really a read, more "I would expect this from him as town"), and then later on has him as a scumlean but with an out of saying they always think he's scum and have been wrong before.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny

Sean's a wolf
This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm

why why why
It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.

t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.
Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:27 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am

Have you played with scum!Falcon?
Yes

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?
Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:04 pm I’m going to try and be around still for the rest of the EOD but I’m already getting tired.

We are currently tied falcon vs creature. If it stays like that I support a falcon vote more than a creature vote. I think he is the more suspicious of the two, and I think that we can form some decent connections with his flip given a lot of folks have given opinions or had interactions with him. More than anything though I don’t want it to end in the tie option. Again I’ll try to stay up

I'm good with a vote here for now.
[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine
Well I wasn’t wrong that when I think he is scum, he is town. It was a weak day 1 vote based off of general vibes and tone, so I can see why my vote should be looked at because I think it was a pretty lame and vague vote but just because it’s a bad vote it doesn’t come from a bad/scum place. As I expressed in the post you linked, I didn’t want it to be a tie and no result. While this obviously wasn’t the desired result, at least we have something to work with.

At that time I really dont think we were at risk of a tie and many people had already voiced their concern at a tie myself included.

I think here is a good place to start, lets see if anything happens
[VOTE: Finger ] aubergine

More please Finger

You say “I really don’t think we were at risk of a tie” but as even mentioned in the post of mine you quoted the votes were tied when I wrote that. Sure it’s unlikely they would stay exactly that way the remainder of the day, but it’s really not that weird for me to have commented on the vote as it stood right then.

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:18 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:03 am To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.

Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.

I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.

I'd call her town right now.
Does Finger tend to use aggressive phrasing as town when questioned?

Have I used aggressive phrasing?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:18 pm I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.

I like your guys little back and forth there

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:45 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:01 am Also back to this post

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:15 pm Sure
You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.
I kinda expected to be the kill because I was during D1 consensus town read with no on-going conflicts with other players. Whereas Mac, also highly town read, had a thing with Wilgy that could be exploited and easier to tinfoil because of Falcon and of site history*.

*What I mean with site history is that I am an unknown variable whilst Mac is a tried gun.

This tells me that Mac's reads can have threatened the woofs tbh
Was Boquise “consensus town read”? I don’t have a read on them yet so to me this reads a lot like saying you are town to try and seem townier, but I don’t recall ever playing with Boquise or paying that much attention yet to others mentions of them
I base it off other players' read lists tbh. You didnt read those posts?

Nah I read them. I don’t remember every single mention of you though and my recollection of you was more as null over consensus town, so that’s why I’m asking others.

I messed up my underlining lol whoops

Also back to this post

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:15 pm Sure
You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.
I kinda expected to be the kill because I was during D1 consensus town read[/] with no on-going conflicts with other players. Whereas Mac, also highly town read, had a thing with Wilgy that could be exploited and easier to tinfoil because of Falcon and of site history*.

*What I mean with site history is that I am an unknown variable whilst Mac is a tried gun.

This tells me that Mac's reads can have threatened the woofs tbh

Was Boquise “consensus town read”? I don’t have a read on them yet so to me this reads a lot like saying you are town to try and seem townier, but I don’t recall ever playing with Boquise or paying that much attention yet to others mentions of them

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:43 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:40 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:40 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?
Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?
Idk, I missed a lot of Day 1, and thus missed all of Boq's posts.
do you have the time to reread?
Time, possibly. Interest, not particularly. I will if I feel motivated to do that.

I love Marmot’s honesty here

made me chuckle

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:24 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:19 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:15 pm Sure
You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.
I kinda expected to be the kill because I was during D1 consensus town read with no on-going conflicts with other players. Whereas Mac, also highly town read, had a thing with Wilgy that could be exploited and easier to tinfoil because of Falcon and of site history*.

*What I mean with site history is that I am an unknown variable whilst Mac is a tried gun.

This tells me that Mac's reads can have threatened the woofs tbh
Do you have any specific insights into which reads? I know Marmot has gone through it but Id be interested in your take
smh my post got eaten by my internet.
Not rn. I havent had the time to dig into Mac's reads as of yet but thats on my to do list.
Another thing is that wolves don't necessarily kill someone because of their scum reads; they can also nk someone to fossilise their town reads. As in, if scum is within a respected town player's village list, then scum can profit on that tbh

Tbh I can think of a lot of reasons why scum would kill Mac. He is a very solid town player who is relentless with suspicion, so perhaps it’s nothing more than the scum team wanted him out of the way before he went after one of them.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:50 am In terms of suspicion around and votes for Falcon, this is a vote I'm interested in hearing more about. Offers a town perspective on Falcon early (not really a read, more "I would expect this from him as town"), and then later on has him as a scumlean but with an out of saying they always think he's scum and have been wrong before.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny

Sean's a wolf
This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny

Sean's a wolf
why why why
It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.

t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.
Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:27 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
Have you played with scum!Falcon?
Yes

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?
Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:04 pm I’m going to try and be around still for the rest of the EOD but I’m already getting tired.

We are currently tied falcon vs creature. If it stays like that I support a falcon vote more than a creature vote. I think he is the more suspicious of the two, and I think that we can form some decent connections with his flip given a lot of folks have given opinions or had interactions with him. More than anything though I don’t want it to end in the tie option. Again I’ll try to stay up
I'm good with a vote here for now.
[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

Well I wasn’t wrong that when I think he is scum, he is town.

It was a weak day 1 vote based off of general vibes and tone, so I can see why my vote should be looked at because I think it was a pretty lame and vague vote but just because it’s a bad vote it doesn’t come from a bad/scum place. As I expressed in the post you linked, I didn’t want it to be a tie and no result. While this obviously wasn’t the desired result, at least we have something to work with.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:07 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:59 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:23 am If you wish to answer and don't have four names, get as close as you can.
I haven’t read everything so can’t be confident in four on day 1. I’d solidly place you and Mac at the top, I think both Alison and Ender are likely ok, but more hesitant. I think if you take away playstyle things then rondo is ok
This I did not expect

Still plenty of time to suspect you

I’m going to try and be around still for the rest of the EOD but I’m already getting tired.

We are currently tied falcon vs creature. If it stays like that I support a falcon vote more than a creature vote. I think he is the more suspicious of the two, and I think that we can form some decent connections with his flip given a lot of folks have given opinions or had interactions with him. More than anything though I don’t want it to end in the tie option. Again I’ll try to stay up

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:39 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:31 pm yeah, hell i used to bribe hosts to get good roles (such as sk and cult leader) because that was fairplay enough. very little if at all randing and certain players like myself had a high probability of being anti town or a town PR so they’d get lynched or NKed early. only thing that wasn’t fair play was screenshotting and telling another player your role in dms/leaking mafia team to a friend, or telling/getting your friends to leave the game because you died
That is the opposite of any Mafia I have ever known. My skin crawls.

I'm sure folks had fun anyway.

Used to be a lot of this in the early days. Certain hosts, that even hosted on the syndicate, you would just know that they would have hand picked roles. Mafia trends change over time. I remember back in the day when resurrection and recruitments were all the rage, and then there was a time with a ton of fun posting modifiers. It was crazy. Good times lol

(For the record, I have a long history of GMan games and he has absolutely not ever been one of those hosts to hand pick. Fair as always)

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.
67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.
yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
Have you played with scum!Falcon?
Yes

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?

Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.
67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.
yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
Have you played with scum!Falcon?

Yes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:23 am If you wish to answer and don't have four names, get as close as you can.

I haven’t read everything so can’t be confident in four on day 1. I’d solidly place you and Mac at the top, I think both Alison and Ender are likely ok, but more hesitant. I think if you take away playstyle things then rondo is ok

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:03 am I have a vague impression that fingersplints is trying to sort the game, even if we cannot see all of it in actual posts. There are nuggets and hints to suggest it. This is not a strong read and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's my initial gun-to-head view.

Yes, I’m contemplating where we go if wrong about todays candidates. Looking to the future

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.
67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.
yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:16 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am @Dyslexicon Two things

1) What is your favourite kind of burrito
B) What is your game state read?
%) If you had a vig who is gone and why?
@fingersplints and @Marmot same question.
Spoiler: show
(Fingersplints cant say me just calling it ahead of time)

1) I don’t usually eat burritos. I like things spicy and with lots of cheese though
B) only read my mentions so far, so nothing sticking out to me
%) I actually wouldn’t have picked you lol My gut would say falcon but as they are leading right now that would be a waste.
Probably Alison. I don’t think I’m particularly good at reading her so she can fool me easily into thinking she is town with her usual analytical tone. Maybe someone else I can’t read well. Like wilgy or marmot whose game style is difficult for me to read
Really? I thought you would be super pissed about our last game still. Glad to see its all G

Also dont eat burritos? [VOTE: Fingersplints ] aubergine

I assume you're not going to read the full game?

I dont hate the Alison call personally but that is just bias I think. Marmot cant be that bad? He wants people to vote for him

Don’t worry it’s cool. I honestly didn’t even remember until you mentioned it lol Life is to short to waste time being mad about mafia

Good morning all. Those who voted dizzy: why?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:57 am I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:23 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:20 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:17 am Aw shit it didn't work
What ails you, Creature? Express your feelings
Just skimmed a lot of pages but didn't feel like replying to any post.

I feel this

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:26 am @fingersplints do you have an initial impression of me

Gth town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:19 am I always appreciate having fingersplints in a game these days. For her more than any other, it’s a perspective and a vibe from the increasingly distant Syndicate past transplanted into a very different new-age site meta.

I have no read on splints here, just musing wistfully. She will get involved her own way given time if she is town.

Probably because I’m stubborn and refuse to change lol I don’t win a lot so not sure I’d recommend my style of play to anyone, but I’ve always been in it for the fun over the wins anyways

But yes this is all true

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
Yeah. I guess I'm pro-"day 1 reads", anti-"day 1 reads for the sake of having a read". It can be difficult to tell the difference between a read that feels fake because a wolf is trying to appear uninformed, and a read that feels fake because a townie felt like they should have an opinion and came up with something.

I consistently fall into the category of townie feeling forced to post day 1 despite not having solid suspicions. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, but I really admire all of you who are able to come up with this stuff right away for sake of discussion. Takes me days to get into a game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny

Sean's a wolf
This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny

Sean's a wolf
why why why
It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.

t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.

Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am @Dyslexicon Two things

1) What is your favourite kind of burrito
B) What is your game state read?
%) If you had a vig who is gone and why?
@fingersplints and @Marmot same question.
Spoiler: show
(Fingersplints cant say me just calling it ahead of time)

1) I don’t usually eat burritos. I like things spicy and with lots of cheese though
B) only read my mentions so far, so nothing sticking out to me
%) I actually wouldn’t have picked you lol My gut would say falcon but as they are leading right now that would be a waste.
Probably Alison. I don’t think I’m particularly good at reading her so she can fool me easily into thinking she is town with her usual analytical tone. Maybe someone else I can’t read well. Like wilgy or marmot whose game style is difficult for me to read

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:24 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:21 pm Oh cool this game has started. Hello all
hello, d0, what's up?

Nice to meet you, and I hope you enjoy your Syndicate experience.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:21 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:09 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine
Interesting choice. Got one and a half reasons why?
I got one half and a handful of pocket lint, that work?
Yes, but for other purposes.

Why fingers? She's not joined the game, and you didn't tag her
I'm not going to lie, for some reason I thought she'd made one post and dipped.

Which apparently isn't true.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

@fingersplints Hi, hello, read up and see watcha think

I did make one post and dip. It’s called sleep. Some of you should try it lol

Oh cool this game has started. Hello all

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