The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:18 pm Just making a note that we don't have votes yet from Alison, fingersplints, or lucy.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:44 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:33 am @Marmot to the second part I can’t help you there. My memory for mafia games has gotten bad (I can remember stuff that happened but forget the game name. Things like that)
My RL just really doesn’t allow me to play big games.

Spoiler: show

unsurprisingly, having a disabled spouse, special needs child, and little baby leaves me with very little time

I put that in spoilers since it’s RL related so you can all choose to ignore it

Ive seen you call creature out like 3 times while youve been here. You havent dropped a vote. Why?

For a lot of my mafia career votes weren’t changeable like this, so voting once is a habit I picked up. Sometimes I try and go against that and vote early for little or fun reasons like everyone else does but when I do it always gets a lot of flak (see joke vote for dizzy this game) so I’m going to go back to what I’m more comfortable with and vote only when I’m sure that I’d be ok with that being my vote in the end of need be.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:17 pm My current negative impression of Alison.

She has largely avoided the spotlight lately, but fanned the fire in certain places over the last day or so. In particular, her comments about Ender/JJJ yesterday, as well as lucy after sean and I pressured her. Alison's observations are agreeable enough, but I have growing concern about her lack of engagement, as these comments seem to come from a distance.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:25 pm My summary view of Alison:

Day 1 - Good
Day 2 - Good
Day 3 - What

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:24 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:21 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:04 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:02 pm Hey falcon.

Nate, let's vote Ender.




For revenge

What has Nate/Ender interactions been like?

Mutual suspicion, mostly. (me/Ender/Falcon were in the same qualifier and Ender won as a wolf, so that's what that quoted exchange was in reference to)

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:20 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy

Where did these groupings come from?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:03 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:00 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy

Ender (although my view of Alison is changing in this moment)
JJJ
Boq
lucy

Did you pick these groups for any particular reason?

Similar posting, playstyle, vibes or just by process of elimination they ended up in that group

Assorted reasons basically doesn’t mean much tbh

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:03 am But also trying to avoid more common grouping like Alison/boq/jjj

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:04 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:02 pm Hey falcon.

Nate, let's vote Ender.




For revenge

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:00 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy

Ender (although my view of Alison is changing in this moment)
JJJ
Boq
lucy

Did you pick these groups for any particular reason?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:55 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:52 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

I didn’t create the grouping. I’m just making a concerted effort to talk about what the group is discussing that isn’t just about me, and since I was asked about jay and boq it seemed relevant to talk about them as a trio since I heard that group mentioned

Have you stated an opinion on Alison? If not, do you have one?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:44 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:33 am @Marmot to the second part I can’t help you there. My memory for mafia games has gotten bad (I can remember stuff that happened but forget the game name. Things like that)
My RL just really doesn’t allow me to play big games.

Spoiler: show

unsurprisingly, having a disabled spouse, special needs child, and little baby leaves me with very little time

I put that in spoilers since it’s RL related so you can all choose to ignore it

Ive seen you call creature out like 3 times while youve been here. You havent dropped a vote. Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:38 am @fingersplints what do you think of Boquise?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:19 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:10 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.

I'd appreciate if you could expand on your current views of Marmot and I. I think you've already been asked about Marmot, so if you answer them consider that answering me about him.

Marmot feels like my knight in shining armour this game; sole voice come to defend me against the masses. I don’t think I have the capability to suspect him at this point since he is saving me from my frustration.

You, I’ve long town read. I appreciate the paranoid suspicion on you at this point, and feel it some as I’ve expected you to get the night kill twice now and haven’t. But that isn’t strong enough reason to vote imo.

Who are you leaning toward voting right now aside from yourself?

Also, do you have a recent town game that features a high volume of posts like this one?

Creature

Dunno. Maybe? I try and avoid larger games for this reason. Can’t keep up.
Also my memory is worse in my old age, so I forget about games all the time.

Why Creature?

I'm trying to get a comparison between you and other recent games. While I don't think you look like the meta you've showed in Fargo or Mafia the Syndicate Normal Game (both scum games). I just looked at Veggie Tales (a town game), and you did seem more invested in that game. But one caveat is that at this point in that game, there were only 900 posts, compared to the approaching 4,000 here, so I assume keeping up might be easier.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:10 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.

I'd appreciate if you could expand on your current views of Marmot and I. I think you've already been asked about Marmot, so if you answer them consider that answering me about him.

Marmot feels like my knight in shining armour this game; sole voice come to defend me against the masses. I don’t think I have the capability to suspect him at this point since he is saving me from my frustration.

You, I’ve long town read. I appreciate the paranoid suspicion on you at this point, and feel it some as I’ve expected you to get the night kill twice now and haven’t. But that isn’t strong enough reason to vote imo.

Who are you leaning toward voting right now aside from yourself?

Also, do you have a recent town game that features a high volume of posts like this one?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.

I'd appreciate if you could expand on your current views of Marmot and I. I think you've already been asked about Marmot, so if you answer them consider that answering me about him.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:51 am Let's ISO fingersplints

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fingersplints wrote:

NateTheLesser wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

NateTheLesser wrote: I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.

Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.

Yeah. I guess I'm pro-"day 1 reads", anti-"day 1 reads for the sake of having a read". It can be difficult to tell the difference between a read that feels fake because a wolf is trying to appear uninformed, and a read that feels fake because a townie felt like they should have an opinion and came up with something.

I consistently fall into the category of townie feeling forced to post day 1 despite not having solid suspicions. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, but I really admire all of you who are able to come up with this stuff right away for sake of discussion. Takes me days to get into a game.

For what it's worth, this is generally a true account of the fingersplints experience.

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fingersplints wrote: Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town

fingersplints wrote:

Marmot wrote: I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

fingersplints wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

falcon45ca wrote:

Alison wrote: falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

fingersplints wrote:

NateTheLesser wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

NateTheLesser wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

Have you played with scum!Falcon?

Yes

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?

Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough

fingersplints wrote: [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I put fingersplints' full progression on falcon up to her vote into a single spoiler for clarity. This moment is very important for interpreting fingersplints and demands a careful assessment. Follow the color coding.

Orange - if we are precise with splints' language, then this comment need not be interpreted as a town read of falcon. Instead, it's something tangential, a base assertion of "town-compatibility" -- e.g., falcon talking about splints doesn't preclude him from being town. This isn't necessarily "better" or "worse", but the interpretation is necessary to assess the progression.

Green - this is, in a sense, a sort of inverse of the orange thing. "Town falcon always suspects me" vs. "I always suspect town falcon". While that hedge is ugly at face value, I think I am more interested in splints' appeal to Mac's read. This alleviates some of the burden of blame given the doubts splints has expressed. It's not my favorite couple of sentences in the game.

Red - mafia actively apologizing to the town member they're suspecting isn't the most typical thing. It's hard to take confidence in such a thing, but it's at least unusual.

We should also note the timestamps. These posts are generally separated by hours, so the progression, if we assume there to be one, primarily exists outside the game thread -- hypothetically in splints' head as she periodically visits the game and reviews. This all transpires within the space of splints' 5th and 19th posts in the thread, so there isn't a lot else going on in her ISO through this period.

The falcon vote made the poll tally 3-3-2, falcon-Creature-Dizzy, with a little over four hours remaining in the day. In that sense it is moderately important.

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fingersplints wrote: Well I wasn’t wrong that when I think he is scum, he is town. It was a weak day 1 vote based off of general vibes and tone, so I can see why my vote should be looked at because I think it was a pretty lame and vague vote but just because it’s a bad vote it doesn’t come from a bad/scum place. As I expressed in the post you linked, I didn’t want it to be a tie and no result. While this obviously wasn’t the desired result, at least we have something to work with.

Early in Day 2, Nate took issue with splints' progression above and voted for her. This was splints' response. Her reference to wanting to avoid a tie can be seen here (click). That's a bit curious since her vote made it a tie, and it was still a tie here. I won't scream about that too much since there were four hours to resolve it. Otherwise this defense is exactly ~okay. It's about the only thing there is to say regardless of splints' alignment, and it doesn't make me feel better or worse.

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fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.

I like your guys little back and forth there

fingersplints wrote:

Seanzie wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.

I like your guys little back and forth there

Do you have any thoughts on our alignments based on our little back and forth?

T/T

It’s important to not get to comfortable with town consensus, so while I don’t agree with your assessment of Jay but I really like where it’s coming from

This related to Seanzie's interrogation of me. splints liked the back-and-forth, and when prompted called it T/T. I'm wary of that as a naked read. T/T combat is not something to celebrate generally, and I think there's room for TMI here. I asked splints about it later, and she replied here (click). I think the answer is mostly fine. It didn't change her view of me, and it gave her a good impression for Seanzie.

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fingersplints wrote:

Boquise wrote:

fingersplints wrote: Also back to this post

Boquise wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Marmot wrote: Sure

You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.

I kinda expected to be the kill because I was during D1 consensus town read with no on-going conflicts with other players. Whereas Mac, also highly town read, had a thing with Wilgy that could be exploited and easier to tinfoil because of Falcon and of site history*.

*What I mean with site history is that I am an unknown variable whilst Mac is a tried gun.

This tells me that Mac's reads can have threatened the woofs tbh

Was Boquise “consensus town read”? I don’t have a read on them yet so to me this reads a lot like saying you are town to try and seem townier, but I don’t recall ever playing with Boquise or paying that much attention yet to others mentions of them

I base it off other players' read lists tbh. You didnt read those posts?

Nah I read them. I don’t remember every single mention of you though and my recollection of you was more as null over consensus town, so that’s why I’m asking others.

fingersplints wrote:

Boquise wrote:

Marmot wrote: To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.

Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.

I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.

I'd call her town right now.

Does Finger tend to use aggressive phrasing as town when questioned?

Have I used aggressive phrasing?

fingersplints wrote: Also thanks to those who answered my question about Boq. The wording is less weird since they do seem to be considered town, however it does still ping me a little when anyone talks about them myself in terms of being so town.
They are still null for me I guess

This is a unique stretch of posts for splints. She may have been, at this stage of the game, the only person challenging Boquise in some capacity. I find myself torn between to seemingly incompatible interpretations:

1) It's good for fingersplints to challenge a player who is broadly town read. That indicates a degree of courage, and a willingness to solve on her own accord without regard for the consensus.

2) She didn't seem to be aware of the consensus, so I'm not sure #1 is applicable. Instead, I have to ask myself to what extent she has read the thread -- less ideal.

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fingersplints wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote: Celebrating my 10000 posts anniversary by mentioning I'm happy to be a part of this community,
and to be floating around in the larger mafia community multiverse.

I still remember how welcoming everyone was when I played my first games here at Cindy Kate!

Hopefully, we can continue to have fun with this silly or deep game!

Maybe the real wolves were the friends we made along the way.

Congrats

A vote for you to celebrate

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

That's a hell of a way to celebrate someone's love for the community.

This vote placed Dizzy in the poll lead at 3-2 (over splints herself). This was still early in Day 2, and the vote is presented like a joke (click here), but it should still be acknowledged for the dynamics that make it relevant.

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fingersplints wrote: 4 votes lol
Honestly couldn’t have picked a worse day to take the vote lead
I almost want to lament the real life reasons behind my absence just to annoy Rondo
I’ll see what I can do

This is a jovial reception of suspicion. I appreciate you splints regardless of alignment. Keep vibing.

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fingersplints wrote: I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

I can understand the sentiment. I'm not sure if this qualifies as a town read of Marmot rather than an observation "that he's defending me". Just making a note for progression.

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fingersplints wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

fingersplints wrote: I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

Who do you want to vote?

If my vote wasn’t going to end up self pres, I’d probably
Pick creature or maybe Ender due to I felt (and I wasn’t around for the end of day so maybe I’m wrong with this as it’s to the best of my recollection) but I felt like the falcon wagon caught most steam when creature was a nominee yesterday. And less mention of someone in the hot spot always makes me kind of wary. Like where did that suspicion go.

Ender I thought was sounding ok, but my opinion there has reversed. He sounds less confident than I remember town Ender to be and I would expect stronger town lead. Idk he would also be my answer to the question someone posed to everyone who would they check.
When reading his posts yesterday my initial thought was also him and rondo weren’t paired, because they are friends but interacting way too much in the thread. I don’t think partners even friends would be that blatant. But then I keep going back to one post of his in my head where I felt he was almost annoyed rondo kept mentioning him, so it’s made me question that thought as well.
Sorry again cause I don’t plan on going back to find those posts, but at least if I don’t make it today there’s some food for thought for you guys lol

This is a unique perspective of Ender that I am not sure I have seen from someone else in the game -- specifically that he is less confident or less leader-like that his standard town form (I cannot speak to this, as I don't know his play well at all). If splints is town, then this read may reflect a standard example of "POE town-aligned suspect views the game from a unique perspective since they don't have to solve themself", which might also relate to her doubts about Boquise. That'd be a decent thing.

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fingersplints wrote: Switched to [VOTE: creature] aubergine

This vote brought Creature to 2 votes, tied with Wilgy and behind Marmot and fingersplints herself (3 each). She held true to her desire to avoid self-pres voting for her defender. Her vote remained on Creature for the rest of Day 2. She didn't prioritize self-preservation, granted she was away for the final 3-4 hours of the phase.

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fingersplints wrote: @Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

Alison wrote: The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

fingersplints wrote:

Boquise wrote: (this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?

I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

Note to self to look back at Fargo to make more sense of this dialogue.

Conclusion

There are some moments here that I think demand further discussion, particularly from folks that view fingersplints as a premier elimination option on this Day 3. Take a look at her treatment of Boquise, and her final voting actions on Day 2, and provide a mafia account for them. I am not saying there isn't an account -- but it's something I want to see folks take a stab at. I'd also like to see folks town reading splints to examine her posts through a lens other than meta. This is a read that we need to develop more effectively as a group. I have some nickle-and-dime concerns around this ISO and would not remove splints from the POE pool. Also, a separate concern not addressed by the above content: splints has only acknowledged Wilgy's existence once in this game, and it was to shrug. She's known him as long as anyone, so that strikes me as off.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:46 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 amWell I’m resisting the strong urge to do a personal/self vote atm; hopefully cooler heads prevail.

Where does this urge come from btw?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:41 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 amYea but you have been getting “more of no content” because of continued posts like this you have made.

Who are you most suspicious of right now?

Do you agree that the Sean kill says something about the game state, or do you glean anything from it at all? You mentioned still reading J town.

Well I’m resisting the strong urge to do a personal/self vote atm; hopefully cooler heads prevail.

Creature.
Cold follow Marmot on Lucy.

I don’t know about the Sean kill. Kills always have some meaning but not necessarily obvious. What a mean by that is Sean is a solid player but not necessarily one who can easily sway the entire thread or one who can be relentless with a suspicion (like Mac) so that kill might not be from someone who he was suspecting. Plus be a set up to look like that. Don’t know.
I do agree it’s interesting choice of kill over the more obvious town, and as I said I do understand the suspicion and paranoia there now just not sure I’m ready to vote there yet

Are you saying Marmot is suspicious here, after Creature? I thought you said Marmot was town just then?

If we don't get mafia today, we likely won't get mafia at all this game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:28 am It's hard to keep defending Fingers at this point.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 amYea but you have been getting “more of no content” because of continued posts like this you have made.

Who are you most suspicious of right now?

Do you agree that the Sean kill says something about the game state, or do you glean anything from it at all? You mentioned still reading J town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:43 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:38 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:30 am
Fingersplints - Never in my life have I seen such slanking ignored and people willing to town read for it. Nothing and more nothing. I want her head so bad or something resembling solving the game state

You know if you want someone to contribute more than continued posts like this aren’t really the way to go about it, right?

At this point with all your lack of content do I care if I get more of no content? No. I want you to go because I think you are a mafia

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:30 am
Fingersplints - Never in my life have I seen such slanking ignored and people willing to town read for it. Nothing and more nothing. I want her head so bad or something resembling solving the game state

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:49 pm Can I get some GTH reads on Nate?

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:51 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:48 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:45 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:45 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:41 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:39 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:38 pm

...did you think you'd get NK'd?

No.

so you peaced out before the day had ended and didnt check back on the thread until just now?

If by “peaced out before the day had ended” you mean “go to bed at a reasonable time for a mother of 2 in the UK” then yes, that is what I did.

The night phase is 24 hours tbh

Yup. It is.

I honestly wish I was mafia and had teammates. Interactions like this would be more amusing to deal with if I wasn’t all on my own.

So we return to my question: that entrance was your first time checking the thread? Not even a peek?
Second sentence is strange. It sounds like you are irritated, but I am not really pushing you in an annoying manner.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:45 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:45 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:41 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:39 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:38 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:37 pm I’m surprised to still be alive. Kinda checked out thinking it was over for me, so have catching up and what not to do. This break for the 4th might work out well for me to think

...did you think you'd get NK'd?

No.

so you peaced out before the day had ended and didnt check back on the thread until just now?

If by “peaced out before the day had ended” you mean “go to bed at a reasonable time for a mother of 2 in the UK” then yes, that is what I did.

The night phase is 24 hours tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:41 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:39 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:38 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:37 pm I’m surprised to still be alive. Kinda checked out thinking it was over for me, so have catching up and what not to do. This break for the 4th might work out well for me to think

...did you think you'd get NK'd?

No.

so you peaced out before the day had ended and didnt check back on the thread until just now?

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:38 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:37 pm I’m surprised to still be alive. Kinda checked out thinking it was over for me, so have catching up and what not to do. This break for the 4th might work out well for me to think

...did you think you'd get NK'd?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:05 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:41 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:33 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm i don’t think she’ll respond to you @Boquise because she’s in UK

It’s only 10:30 in the UK

I'm thinking about voting you.

Do you think the heat/pressure/votes you've gotten is justified, or no?

Some of the suspicion is legit, some not.

What suspicions are justified?

Does anyone pushing you look particularly wolfy?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:07 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:25 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:22 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:14 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:11 pm @Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:55 am The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

(this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?

I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

hm
but i had not cleared you for that before this post tbh

given that i made this correction, how does this change your read? @fingersplints

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:56 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:41 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:33 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm i don’t think she’ll respond to you @Boquise because she’s in UK

It’s only 10:30 in the UK

I'm thinking about voting you.

Do you think the heat/pressure/votes you've gotten is justified, or no?

Some of the suspicion is legit, some not.

"I am a wolf, but these are dumb reasons" :P

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:41 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:33 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm i don’t think she’ll respond to you @Boquise because she’s in UK

It’s only 10:30 in the UK

I'm thinking about voting you.

Do you think the heat/pressure/votes you've gotten is justified, or no?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm i don’t think she’ll respond to you @Boquise because she’s in UK

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:14 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:11 pm @Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:55 am The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

(this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:55 am The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:05 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:58 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:57 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:49 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:46 pm @Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I like your questioning of Alison. I think I’d prefer an Alison vote over Marmot. Definitely prefer Alison vote over me

thats nice tbh
If Alison is town I think you could be scum tbh!
If Alison is wolf you are always town

did I scare you @fingersplints

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:49 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:46 pm @Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:49 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:46 pm @Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:49 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:44 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:42 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:15 am I think one thing that bothers me about Nate is that it doesn't feel like he has any reads he's passionate about. I don't know if this is just a playstyle thing but it's what drove me to quiz him about his reads in more detail. I'm uncomfortable by the fact that his stance seems to be repeating the most uncontroversial/popular reads and then chilling and not making a massive effort to push them. I could see this coming from a townie who feels we've got the game in the bag, and I've been in that position a couple of times myself, but those were when I had big confidence in my reads and the wolves were getting crushed. This gamestate started off with a misexe and then some pretty tense/controversial interactions between players, so it doesn't feel wholly appropriate for Nate to just be sitting back and going "yep, I guess we'll just auto the guys in the middle of falcon's wagon".

Quoting this just as a reminder to myself to engage with it after Nate has answered my question tbh

Alright.

Nate is playing very similar to how he played in his quali, minus the death tunnels. The tone, approach and process are very alike. Which explains why he isnt pushing as much as he could do.

What does this mean? Was he town or maf there? And why would it explain lack of pushing?

Nate was town there and death tunnelled town, and did not protect his town reads. I had this assumption that this was how G1 affects him in this game, and thats what Nate said in my question to him. His lack of pushing comes from fear of being wrong and pushing a bad game state, which explains why he is poking around tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:42 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:15 am I think one thing that bothers me about Nate is that it doesn't feel like he has any reads he's passionate about. I don't know if this is just a playstyle thing but it's what drove me to quiz him about his reads in more detail. I'm uncomfortable by the fact that his stance seems to be repeating the most uncontroversial/popular reads and then chilling and not making a massive effort to push them. I could see this coming from a townie who feels we've got the game in the bag, and I've been in that position a couple of times myself, but those were when I had big confidence in my reads and the wolves were getting crushed. This gamestate started off with a misexe and then some pretty tense/controversial interactions between players, so it doesn't feel wholly appropriate for Nate to just be sitting back and going "yep, I guess we'll just auto the guys in the middle of falcon's wagon".

Quoting this just as a reminder to myself to engage with it after Nate has answered my question tbh

Alright.

Nate is playing very similar to how he played in his quali, minus the death tunnels. The tone, approach and process are very alike. Which explains why he isnt pushing as much as he could do.