The Syndicate

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I'm 2 pages behind still is it worth reading or should I skip to the present and start digging into the modern shit

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:26 pmKyle: early Kyle did jack shit, late Kyle has been seriously trying. This is meta consistent with all the civ Kyle games I've played with, and overall he's saying a lot of stuff that I agree with.

this is the first time anyone has ever adequately summed up my mafia behavior

10 living players left, lynching any one of 4 of them will prevent the game from ending.

any player we can remove from the poe pile increases our chances drastically

[mention]Marmot[/mention] what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:03 pm This is how you generate discussion. Incentivizing.

Here, have an activity point wolbre. Have two Kyle for being on-topic.

I think we should lynch scum, and to do that, I think that Jay is a good place to start.

1 activity point if you tell me why Jay is a good place to start

the situation for us right now is that any wrong move will probably end the game and make us lose in the most embarrassing way possible and we all look like idiots

situation for the mafia is that a wrong move for the civs means victory for them but a right move for the civs only means that they have to stick it out for like... another phase or two.

Marmot so far looks more like the latter than the former.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] who's do you think should be lynched today

i am also very sleep let's continue this productivity train tomorrow

fire?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:19 am mafia win con is listed as "must completely outnumber civs to win"

right now we have 5 civs, 4 mafia, 1 yellow blob

if we lynch a mafia, even if they turn out to be the un-lynchable bad guy, wouldn't that still stop the game from ending? a player dies again tonight but that would still leave us with 4 civs, 4 mafia, and 1 variable yellow blob on day 7, the mafia wouldn't outnumber civs yet, and if the indy is civ inclined, the mafia votes would still not yet overpower the civ votes

linki- holy shit

i'm just gonna assume that was a joke :0

i mean i'll forgive you this time but if you ever make danganronpa references in my game again i'll gut you like a fish

spent the last ten minutes looking for the exact perfect DR reaction image but i couldn't find it so i gave up, but i'll have you know it would have been a scathing rebuttal.

mafia win con is listed as "must completely outnumber civs to win"

right now we have 5 civs, 4 mafia, 1 yellow blob

if we lynch a mafia, even if they turn out to be the un-lynchable bad guy, wouldn't that still stop the game from ending? a player dies again tonight but that would still leave us with 4 civs, 4 mafia, and 1 variable yellow blob on day 7, the mafia wouldn't outnumber civs yet, and if the indy is civ inclined, the mafia votes would still not yet overpower the civ votes

linki- holy shit

i'm just gonna assume that was a joke :0

hey i have a stupid question

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] do you think marmot is akira?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:55 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:53 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:52 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:51 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 am Hey guys, I bet I'm gonna get lynched after many, many hours of wonderful speculation and analysis.

or if you're good you could just like.... jump in and get involved in the wild deluge of speculation that's taking place

Now we are back in the Epi argument about carelessness and whether he's koro senpai

what

When Epi was potentially gonna be lynched people read his play as "He's careless ergo he must be Koro Sensei and got all worked up" and I'm feeling that's coming here too (maybe)

i think the theory was that he was Akira Takaoka, but that theory came about after he wasn't lynched and was maybe the reason why he was vig killed.

are you saying that about marmot?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:52 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:51 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 am Hey guys, I bet I'm gonna get lynched after many, many hours of wonderful speculation and analysis.

or if you're good you could just like.... jump in and get involved in the wild deluge of speculation that's taking place

Now we are back in the Epi argument about carelessness and whether he's koro senpai

what

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 am Hey guys, I bet I'm gonna get lynched after many, many hours of wonderful speculation and analysis.

or if you're good you could just like.... jump in and get involved in the wild deluge of speculation that's taking place

spicy is "yes compatible"?

sorry i guess i've had a lot of feelings about jay today so that might have been ambiguous lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:38 am You think his contributions today make him look bad?

opposite of that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:36 amI am the only one who has Jay in their top two?

jay was almost in my top 2, but his contributions today have flipped my feelings

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:28 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 am Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

no i don't think so. maybe if long con chose a player the night before specifically because they seemed like they'd kill epignosis if they were the civ vigilante and then the next day long con sees that epignosis has been killed, it's.... there'd be too much ambiguity. not enough for long con to be like "yeah i get it, obviously this happened because this player might have been that role"

not to mention my specific theory would have required 2 separate civ roles to have been activated, a doctor and a vigilante.

Let's please be careful about falling into the mechanics vortex. If a question becomes unanswerable, we need to stop asking it. The task ahead is already time-restricted.

i'm only bringing it up because i think long con is a decent candidate for being the pheonix wright guy. he's been specifically more active in this game than he usually is and i think the things i viewed as signs of being the vigilante might actually be signs that he's a mafioso that tipped his hand a little too much. i've wrongfully scumread LC in every single game we've played together since my return in chicka chicka, but not here. maybe that means something.

i'll put him on the back burner for now though.

there's too many variables to be an obvious thing within 6 minutes, even with nagisa's insight of what players have been given roles

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 am Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

no i don't think so. maybe if long con chose a player the night before specifically because they seemed like they'd kill epignosis if they were the civ vigilante and then the next day long con sees that epignosis has been killed, it's.... there'd be too much ambiguity. not enough for long con to be like "yeah i get it, obviously this happened because this player might have been that role"

not to mention my specific theory would have required 2 separate civ roles to have been activated, a doctor and a vigilante.

Koro-Sensei may help a student (as opposed to a player)

octo-dad chooses roles, nagisa chooses players

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:17 amHe may help a trusted player (as opposed to a student)

right there

it's anime you're not supposed to know the characters' real names, just their hair color and personality archetypes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 am Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

Who?

blue haired kid

i don't think LC is either of those roles

Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:10 am Oh LC is either the indy or the civvie activator got it.

what makes you say that?

novaselinever is self voting, was that supposed to be a signal?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:06 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:03 pm I kind of feel the Jack lynch but guys I wanna bring up another problem.

What do we do with the inactives?

Cuz we have 3 of them and we are rapidly approaching lylo. With 3 inactives, we approach it faster. Right now if exclude them, the setup is 6-4-1. How long till mafia just overpowers us?

I wanna lynch an inactive.

There are better ways to handle that problem.

Agreed. So long as my vote isn't needed in order to lynch the proper person today, I'll be voting for an inactive so that our vig can kill them.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:54 pm I voted for that vig possibility.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:56 pm Lynch Jack, vig INH. IF INH isn't bad, lynch juliets. That's my ideal plan going forward. I think juliets is bad, and maybe trying to steer the vig away from her actual low-poster teammate.

also this continued interest in giving the vigilante gateways to good murders, except i'm now realizing that since the vigs were all one-shot that lc is actually pretty unlikely to really have ever been the activated vigilante because he would have been more knowledgeable about the mechanics of the role, he would have known it was a one shot ability that spreading out votes for sniper reach wouldn't be necessary

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:18 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:19 pm Guys what if mafia is missing kills and they are getting randomized?

That is not what I believe is happening.

and this one later too, also in regards to epignosis's death

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:05 pm all other night murders have said "killed" i wonder if epignosis was killed by one of the snipers

I strongly believe this to be true.

this is the post that made me think this,

long con wasn't the doctor, and "strongly believe" was a strong reaction to a theory that relied specifically on word choice, plus he responded to me in like 6 minutes. unnaturally fast for someone to agree with me, Kylemii, the guy who is notoriously and frequently wrong about things.

the only players who would be able to say that with such confidence would be either the player who killed epi, or one of the players who meant to kill someone else, and came in to find out that their kill choice didn't happen.

or apparently maybe not?

based on his reaction to the kill and my theory about the kill having been because of a sniper rather than because of the mafia because it said "shot" instead of "killed"

i think LC killed epignosis

i wanna talk about long con real fast for the sake of poe, but it involves a non information based theory on what his literal actual role might be, are we at the point where this might be prudent to bring up/discuss?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:42 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 amOver 300 posts and he has written Marmot's name twice. Not a good look for Kyle.

i'm a casual reactionary player and marmot has done little to be reacted to

Is that so friendo.

yeah. check how many times i've said inh's name, or wolbre's. it's probably similarly low.

ok walk over, i've thought about it. i think the pheonix wright boss guy's borderline immortality would incite at least a small increase in that players confidence in making things happen in the thread, it might be invisible if that player is already inactive, i think that sort of role would lend itself to the place of, if not leading the town then maybe gently steering the town, comfy in the fact that, worst case scenario if they get lynched for being too obviously outside of the shadows, their vote will remain around until the end of the game

that doesn't help much, though because honestly i think every player might react to being given such a role differently, and i think if the role fell into the hands of a lower key contributional player, there might not be a difference at all

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 amOver 300 posts and he has written Marmot's name twice. Not a good look for Kyle.

i'm a casual reactionary player and marmot has done little to be reacted to

but first i take my 10 minute highly necessary decompression walk

what u think of my theory

i have a question regarding LC that I am only going to ask purely because it's lylo and shit's serious and i would like to ask ya'll what you think

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:16 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:15 am do you mean unlynchable role including both of the unlynchable roles or just specifically the mafia one

If you think you can make the distinction in your reads, then make it.

main distinction to me would be that koro sensei is revealed upon first strike, and continues to live as a stump, presumably still able to carry out their task, in some ways their life would be improved by being lynched, or at worst moved laterally. pheonix wrong isn't revealed but there's no other way to stop a lynch so everyone would know who they are as soon as it happens, but they still keep their vote. they turn into an anchor.

i'd guess that korosensei plays a much more carefree game than pheonix wrong does. pheonix wrong would... by comparison want to be careful, but would be prepared to be bussed if it ever became necessary for that to happen.

i guess the important first step is separating people into groups of who has and hasn't ever faced any vote pressure

i'm gonna take a brisk nighttime walk to clear my head real quick i'll be back to undergo your wizardly trial in about 15 minutes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:13 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:11 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:10 am Kylemii

I have a special mission for you. It will require a little courage, and a little elbow grease. Do you stand before me prepared to face the trials? Respond quickly.

i guess so

You have awoken the dragon within me. You must find your fury. Find it now!

Your task is as follows:

Please review each remaining player not including your two picks from earlier with a singular focus. Based upon conduct under pressure, particularly late in phases with the weight of votes as applicable, piece together a base theory for which players are the most likely to have an unlynchable role. If you are uncertain or need help, call upon your friends.

oh fuck that's a big task

do you mean unlynchable role including both of the unlynchable roles or just specifically the mafia one

i also love that you're roleplaying as a cool wizard, like i'm way into that, what's my important task, does it involve a lot of typing?

i know you're just trying to appeal to my love of zelda by mentioning "courage" and "trials"

yeah sure