The Syndicate

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] Also, hey I distinctly remember you giving me shit when I tried to let myself get lynched so I wouldn't distract town in Pirates. >:(

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:31 pm I don't actually care what either of you say. The only way I'm not voting for either nijuu or sig on day 9 is if I die on night 8.

unless nijuu is reading this right now in which case I'm probably just gonna just roll and 8 sided die and vote randomly, because I'm just such a wildcard.

I don't actually care what either of you say. The only way I'm not voting for either nijuu or sig on day 9 is if I die on night 8.

hmmm okay cool

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:44 pm speedchuck if the final mafia isn't you, sig, or nijuu then who would you most suspect it is?
Dunno. Nutella maybe. But I'm pretty sure it's one of the two. If I thought it was someone else, I'd be more worried about being lynched than I am.

Not Quin or DDL?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] if the final mafia isn't you, sig, or nijuu then who would you most suspect it is?

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] I think if you even just read everything that's happened between the start of day 6 and now you can probably get a good picture of the game

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:08 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:03 pm if dunya is mafia she's played in the most effort requiring way possible.

dunya was one of the first supporters of a Jay lynch until the day he actually was lynched during which she actually brought up some points supporting the possibility that we were seeing a civ Jay.

She also was against a Wilgy lynch for a lot of the game because of being under the impression that Wilgy was K2. She changed her position on this when thread discussion came to the conclusion that that was not true.

I don't remember exactly what dunya's position on Elohcin was early game but during and prior to the actual lynch of Eloh she was fairly anti Eloh

It's 100% possible that Dunya is mafia but only if she is playing in the most brazen way possible, involving drastically subverting pre-conceived notions of her own playstyle and supporting her teammates exactly when her other teammates were bussing them.
I'd like to point out I made a case against Jay, but we talk on a daily basis a lot and he had a very difficult exam and wasn't even talking to me like normal so I felt like he deserved to play a day after his exam and not lynch him on the eve of his hardest exam. That felt mean. He didn't ask us all to do that, I did it because I'm weak.

I also made a very early case on Wilgy and only dropped it after K2 missed a night phase which was the same time where Wilgy dropped off the face of the earth. I had reasons why Wilgy was bad and I argued with him about it and voted for him 2 day phases, but I won't lynch a possible K2 candidate.

I made a long case against Eloh which everyone told me I'm tinfoiling cos of Jay's reaction to Elo. That changed when Wilgy flipped, and I made a substantial extra case against her.

I think I have been on point apart from Jack (sorry Jack).

That's pretty much what I mean, if you were mafia then you've gone through the game defending and accusing your teammates at exactly the wrong times to accomplish keeping them alive or gently distancing from them.

all the dead mafios have so far done the exact opposite of that, a mafia containing dunya would mean that around day 2 the other 3 brought up the idea of "hey I think some of us should probably make cases against each other but not follow through on them super hard in case any of us die so we can disassociate from each other" and then dunya was just like ".....lol"

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:07 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:47 pm What do you guys think of Dunya's casebuilding? As good as mine? Better? Worse?
Are you asking for a ranking comparison of your case building skills or do you want us to compare specific cases that you've made?
What do you think of Dunya's case on me? We know my two cases were perfect. Results attest to that.
Which two cases? Who are your cases on?
Wilgy and Eloh. Days ago. My cases are not the point. I'm being snarky. What do you think of Dunya's case on me?

I think she actually brings up a lot of good points.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:47 pm What do you guys think of Dunya's casebuilding? As good as mine? Better? Worse?
Are you asking for a ranking comparison of your case building skills or do you want us to compare specific cases that you've made?
What do you think of Dunya's case on me? We know my two cases were perfect. Results attest to that.

Which two cases? Who are your cases on?

if dunya is mafia she's played in the most effort requiring way possible.

dunya was one of the first supporters of a Jay lynch until the day he actually was lynched during which she actually brought up some points supporting the possibility that we were seeing a civ Jay.

She also was against a Wilgy lynch for a lot of the game because of being under the impression that Wilgy was K2. She changed her position on this when thread discussion came to the conclusion that that was not true.

I don't remember exactly what dunya's position on Elohcin was early game but during and prior to the actual lynch of Eloh she was fairly anti Eloh

It's 100% possible that Dunya is mafia but only if she is playing in the most brazen way possible, involving drastically subverting pre-conceived notions of her own playstyle and supporting her teammates exactly when her other teammates were bussing them.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:50 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:18 pm here's my flowchart:

1. night 8 nobody dies
2. lynch sig
2.5. review nijuu

Or

1. night 8 somebody dies
2. lynch nijuu

3. game didn't end? review DDL, Speedchuck, and Quin extensively
but why not dunya

technically speaking dunya would also be part of step 3, along with LC

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:47 pm What do you guys think of Dunya's casebuilding? As good as mine? Better? Worse?

Are you asking for a ranking comparison of your case building skills or do you want us to compare specific cases that you've made?

dunya is mafia because she is threatening to withhold pictures of her movie star cat

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:42 pm I swear guys, if I'm wrong about speed, I'll never post a photo of Lizzy again. Trust me on this, he's the last scum.

what? no. that sucks. you'd only be punishing us and lizzy.

I'm really happy we've maintained the level of discussion in this game, a lot of games would have died down by now but we're still talking shit over. It's nice.

plz assume that all mistakes i have ever made in my life are because of my phone's auto-correct

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:27 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:03 pm I think you mean Maria Hill? Director of Shield?
Olympus Mons. You know what I meant.
I actually don't. Do you believe that space mountain secrets will make a significant difference in whatever plans we make moving forward?
No, I suppose not. But I'm not ready to assume victory.

Me neither but.... I guess you're right. There's ways Monday Olympus throw a wrench in things.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:03 pm I think you mean Maria Hill? Director of Shield?
Olympus Mons. You know what I meant.

I actually don't. Do you believe that space mountain secrets will make a significant difference in whatever plans we make moving forward?

here's my flowchart:

1. night 8 nobody dies
2. lynch sig
2.5. review nijuu

Or

1. night 8 somebody dies
2. lynch nijuu

3. game didn't end? review DDL, Speedchuck, and Quin extensively

I think you mean Maria Hill? Director of Shield?

If Sig is civ then the only way for us to lose is for us to never lynch sig and somehow never lynch the mafia either until the game is only the civ sig and the last mafio and no one else.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:51 pm If I was scum, I'd be doing a bang-up job of it

dude I've said it before about dunya, but I think it's true about anyone, if the final baddie is anyone other than sig or nijuu then they've done a really great job.

speedchuck is the active player I have the fewest reasons to see as civ or indie

I'd honestly be really surprise if anyone other than sig or nijuu is the final bad boy.

I also didn't vote for LC out of sympathy. I voted for LC to test nutella's hint about ties

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:29 pm MP wasn't playing tbf. Wilgy wasn't around.

I want you to tell me how likely it is for an ACTIVE 4th member to vote with Eloh on a townie that was 2 votes away from being tied with nutella (taking into consideration you voted nutella at the end cos you felt sorry for her).

Oh!!!! Now I understand.

I think it would be less likely, at least slightly. It would depend on whether the final wolf had legitimate reasons to vote for the same player as their bud. I think if they had approximately equal momentum for either vote then there would be more reason to vote for the other player than to double down with their teammate.

idk if there would have been much concern about avoiding attention based on our day 1 vote, if anyone was going to look bad and become a lynch candidate it would have been Long Con or Nutella depending on which one had been lynched.

Isn't that usually how it goes when the day 1 vote is split between 2 good boys? one of them flips civ and the other gets lynched right after to see if it was a baddie motivated wagon, and then when that guy flips civ the entire thing gets dropped.

Well.... MP (Jay's past self) self voted and Dilgy didn't vote at all.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:07 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:54 pm What I'd like to know is, how possiblelikely is it that 6 people who voted for nutella on Day 1 were all town?

sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy

I'm Town (counting for sprityo)
Jack was town

4 more players alive- speed, LC, Quin and DDL

If we assume nutella was town, and Eloh voted for Long Con, it's more than possible her 4th team mate voted for nutella (if the 4th team mate is an active participant).
I'm confused about this. Why would the final wolf be motivated to vote for either one of Nutella or LC if neither of them is mafia?
your question doesn't make sense. are you saying 3 scum members intentionally sat this lynch out?

Or are you saying 2 of the scum team would have picked the member with the least number of votes to pile on?

no im confused about the implications

why would the mafia feel a need to put their votes or not put their votes in any certain way if none of their members were still risk

so basically even if we do every single thing as wrong as possible we'll still win as long as we make the end phase a day with 2 players and the civ one is an active player who doesn't miss votes?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:54 pm What I'd like to know is, how possiblelikely is it that 6 people who voted for nutella on Day 1 were all town?

sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy

I'm Town (counting for sprityo)
Jack was town

4 more players alive- speed, LC, Quin and DDL

If we assume nutella was town, and Eloh voted for Long Con, it's more than possible her 4th team mate voted for nutella (if the 4th team mate is an active participant).

I'm confused about this. Why would the final wolf be motivated to vote for either one of Nutella or LC if neither of them is mafia?

I forgot that Quin made those posts earlier on. Thank you for reminder. I generally agree with your analysis.

However LC is definitely Space Mountain it's already been 100% confirmed by my prophetic dream.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:28 pmWoctor Dilgy, he's Wilgy's evil twin.

wilgy was mafia so that must mean his twin is double mafia :0

Woctor Wilgy

What is W Wilgy

What is Ws

niiiiice

Sometimes I dismiss Eloh's cake pics as pictures of random cakes. I forget that Eloh probably had a hand in their creation.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] please?

and if we're right about you then legacy reads might help us figure out your partner and maybe save us up to 9 days of effort

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:49 pmWe will honestly appreciate any legacy reads, because if you are town then there is another active baddie.

Please this. If we're wrong about you then this game is about to get complicated again.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:35 pm First we see the Eloh flip. If she flips bad we do the following:

We see if mafia kills or not.

If mafia kills, we ignore Sig forever.

If mafia doesn't kill, we speculate on whether to call the non-kill bluff and lynch Sig, or make this a long trek where the game goes to Day 17 and we probably end up lynching Sig anyway (you can guess what side i'm leaning on).

Now, if Eloh flips good, then I dunno. That's a problem for Future DDL.

pretty much this

if a kill happens night 8 following a mafia eloh flip I think that would be evidence of a civvie sig

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:24 pm My goal is to reach 666 posts before the game ends. Let's not let Sloonei down by killing the convo.

Which order would you like to lynch those players Kyle?

Well... choosing the order would kind of defeat the purpose of what I was saying, I was mainly just pointing out that even if we're wrong a lot of times in a row we'll probably still win this.

I think we should start with sig and nijuu. Even if our final adversary isn't one of them, prioritizing them first gives mafia a reason to withhold their kills and give us more time to find them.

plan made slightly more complicated by the fact that nijuu is actually around enough to send in a nightkill

if after today we voted for sig, ddl, quin, and nijuu in completely random order we'd still win even if we didn't land on the mafia til the last one.

though that would take 15 days to complete

technically dunya could be mafia but only if she's playing the strongest mafia game anyone has ever played

It's boring but I think it probably is an inactive. Quin is a possibility.

I think we should use this day phase to discuss who the final wolf might be.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:51 pm killing someone and then being the first one to point out that they must have been killed to frame you is a bad look

at the very least wait for someone else to bring it up

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