The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:44 am Gg mafia, well deserved
Gg the honorary wolf
Gavial thanks for hosting


This is my last game until Goc next year, for the Syndicate old players i love you guys and i miss to play with you
For cool people I met lately here, it was nice to play with you, hope will meet again in the future!

Thanks for playing Michelle!! See you in GoC

Ruri wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:49 pm Good game. I win 2/2 wolf games here. And I think the other one?

I think you lost that game where you were town. Backwards mafia or whatever, the one we wanted to be yeeted as town.

Gg mafia

I know I didn't put effort in until the final phase, that was planned, as I knew my role would clear me then, and would be useful in a lylo situation.

Um, why did we flip MM when we did though? I said I'd be back to do more sorting through info. Dunno if we woulda gotten there, but I would've liked the chance

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:36 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:33 am the entire game you have floundered about spitting complete lies and partaking in general antitown behavior
its obscene to think you are capable of being town aligned

It's ok, Marmot and JoH will soon come into the thread and agree that my existence as a 3p doesn't matter unless we kill 2 mafia today and game doesn't end.

I probably won't be back for another 24 hours lol

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:59 am Oh. It's making sense.

I think it's good.

1 min and I'll get back to work. I guess this is it.

Game became easier when many people died

Indeed it has become easier

GL at work!!

I'm still concerned about NAA lying that SoA is his target today, but I guess we just have to chop MM and hope for the best,

I'll hold off on voting for now, not ready to end the day immediately.

Oh, apparently I missed the part where MM had a red check on sig, a town player.

No wonder NAA was accusing me of trolling. You could've just told me that.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:54 am Hmm. I don't understand their strategy at all. Why would mafia and mafia hit each other at this point.

Distancing I guess? SoA made the claim after it was stated that he was poisoned, but before you claimed he is not the Oracle.

I'll just take NAA as 3P at this point. I assume he would make some sort of claim if not for the Lie-Detector in the game.

So SoA's Night 4 reading suggests that there are no sane cops, and that's what MM is claiming. Direct cc.

SonOfAnarch's Oracle Readings


Night 1

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:01 pm My oracle readin' sucks. All it said was that there are more than one third parties in the game.

Night 2

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:12 pm Eh fine. It says there is for sure a doctor in the game.

Night 3

SoA didn't post at all Day 4, so we've got nothing here.


Night 4

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:09 am Hey guys. I forgot about this game. I learned that the lie in this setup is that there is no sane cop btw

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:46 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:38 am Or rather, If your claim is true, Jack has to be town, and SoA has to be scum, which would mean that MM is the only option for other scum.

That works out I think. The weird thing is, the only thing that SoA has done today is pop in and incriminate MM, so their potential for being teammates is a little wonky.

Oracle can't claim/confirm that there is a Doctor. It is impossible.
Where did he incriminate MM again? I can't see it.

I'll check.

Or rather, If your claim is true, Jack has to be town, and SoA has to be scum, which would mean that MM is the only option for other scum.

That works out I think. The weird thing is, the only thing that SoA has done today is pop in and incriminate MM, so their potential for being teammates is a little wonky.

I've also played on this site for years, so I'm comfortable with the layout.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:31 am Collecting these posts for ease of access. These are Paopan's lie-detected statements.



Night 1 - False

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:37 pm I'm VT, I expect you all to let me carry you this game, always vote with me, never vote anyone other that who I'm voting and we will win this.

Night 2 - True

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:08 am I am town!



Late to the party I see

Night 3 - True

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:43 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:34 pm Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

Night 4 - False

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:30 am Seein' as I might die here, figure I'll just claim. My role ain't that great, but I'm a town oracle. I get information about the setup each night.

That summs it up. You did it very fast.
I just view things via discord.

I phone-play sometimes, but computer is soooooooo much easier.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:30 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:25 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:24 am Oh. Wait. I finally get it.

I realized that MM was kinda "confirmed town" when he rides on Michelle's investigative result.
They may have a consigliere and wanted to kill Sig because he's a roleblocker.

What does consig do again?

A player can know the role of someone. Kinda Mafia Investigative. I'm just assuming here cos I'm really not that familiar with the game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:24 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:21 am What makes more sense?
Mafia not attacking, or mafia hitting a healed person?

Assuming the doctor can't self-target, that means Jack had a 20% chance to protect whoever the mafia killed.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they wouldn't just kill Jack.

I'm also baffled with this. Is there a mechanical reason why won't they?
Ah this is kinda annoying when the roles available aren't available in the setup. I just can't deduce anything.

I think your point that mafia would not kill to give the doc claim more credibility is a reasonable one. That's the only one I can think of.

Also, the only thing confirming Jack as a Doctor is that SoA revealed from his Oracle that there is a Doctor.


But Paopan, if Jack is Mafia, wouldn't your Night 3 check be false unless Jack is a Mafia Doctor?

Collecting these posts for ease of access. These are Paopan's lie-detected statements.



Night 1 - False

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:37 pm I'm VT, I expect you all to let me carry you this game, always vote with me, never vote anyone other that who I'm voting and we will win this.

Night 2 - True

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:08 am I am town!



Late to the party I see

Night 3 - True

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:43 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:34 pm Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

Night 4 - False

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:30 am Seein' as I might die here, figure I'll just claim. My role ain't that great, but I'm a town oracle. I get information about the setup each night.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:24 am Oh. Wait. I finally get it.

I realized that MM was kinda "confirmed town" when he rides on Michelle's investigative result.
They may have a consigliere and wanted to kill Sig because he's a roleblocker.

What does consig do again?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:21 am What makes more sense?
Mafia not attacking, or mafia hitting a healed person?

Assuming the doctor can't self-target, that means Jack had a 20% chance to protect whoever the mafia killed.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they wouldn't just kill Jack.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:19 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:14 am Oh and also, how are you certain there's a 3P? Do you think that NAA is the 3P?

That's kinda where I'm at too, but we need to kill a wolf today regardless.

How can you explain how Michelle died?
If he's so ballsy to claim it as wolf. Then he's good IMO.
Is not really that of a priority since neutral sides with us.

He/she also poisoned a mafia.
So in reality, there is only one mafia left for tonight (or none if we lynch him today).

In my experience, Poisoners are anti-town 3P roles that need to reach parity with everyone else to win. That's my concern.

But fortunately, Michelle checked NAA as mafia (which, since she was insane cop, means NAA is not mafia), so he's clear from that.

Quoting post #978 here

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:30 am Seein' as I might die here, figure I'll just claim. My role ain't that great, but I'm a town oracle. I get information about the setup each night.

And if you need to take a break from cpu and answer later, that's fine too. I have to leave for work soon anyway, and won't be online until late tonight probs.

Oh and also, how are you certain there's a 3P? Do you think that NAA is the 3P?

That's kinda where I'm at too, but we need to kill a wolf today regardless.

Can you tell me who/what post you lie-detected last night?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:12 am Yeah sure, I can chat a little. I'm a lil tired. All I have been doing is excel excel excel.

Are you town Marmot? I'm currently 50-50 bt. you and MM

Yeah, I posted a link above where I was cleared as town inno child.

Fair, but also ew. I've worked a 20hour day in the past, will never do it again unless it's an emergency.

How much are you caught up on Paopan, are you available to chat?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:08 am I'm sure that Jack is town, MM is 50-50 because of his sig. You making game confusing you know?? Marmot is suspicious.

Mafia are SoA/Marmot and SoA/MM.

I suggest we lynch between Marmot or MM. Otherwise, don't lynch at all.

I'm cleared town, so you don't have to worry about me.

See here

How do you know SoA is the liar? Did you lie-detect him?

21 hour work shift??? Wtf? That's insane!

Hi @Paopan did you Lie-Detect anything last night?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:11 am Sorry the EOD and SOD times are really confusin’ for me

It's fine. The Day started about ~10 hours ago, so we've got until roughly 11PM EDT on Tuesday (or whenever the host says that it ends.

Yeah, the fact that SoA's claim today is a direct counter to MM's looks too convenient.

NAA can't be mafia, so it is still possible that he targeted SoA.

I kinda wish SoA was modkilled, because it's so late in the game to replace that slot.

Anyway, I need to go to bed.

Not really sure where to go next. It sounds like we're between chopping Jack or Paopan. I guess MafiaMenace is still on the list, but I doubt he's mafia.


There's still an outside chance that SoA and NAA are partners, but I don't think that's the case. Michelle died, and it probably was NAA that did it, and while there could be a day-vig, it likely wouldn't be a mafia role.

Regardless, NAA is defintitely not getting chopped today, because we need to chop mafia. If SoA isn't mafia and we don't chop mafia, the game is over.

Like I see that Michelle is the Insane Cop and also checked you Mafia, that makes you not Mafia, yes.

I double-checked SoA's statement, he said there is more than one 3P. Two have flipped already, so it doesn't completely bar you from also being one.

You said there's another piece of info in the game that makes you not 3P, what is that?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:23 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:21 am Tell me what you want, I'm willing to talk about it.

Otherwise, I'll just keep going with what I was doing.

I'll give you time to come around to believing my claim, and then we'll talk, I feel like you're just trolling final 6 right now, but maybe you're just not caught up

I don't know what your claim is, that's where I'm at. Maybe I just missed it or something.

Tell me what you want, I'm willing to talk about it.

Otherwise, I'll just keep going with what I was doing.

Like I'm not even sure what you want me to do. Who do you want to chop today?

What's bothering you right now NAA? Is my approach taking town down the wrong path?

I've like barely paid attention the last couple days, so I'm still sorta catching up and wrapping my head around what's going on at this moment.

And no, I'm not considering you as locked town yet.

I mean, you haven't claimed a role yet, I'm not going to magically find you without that. Unless you are claiming Poisoner

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:59 am Anyway, I think it's just over if you can find me @Marmot (I'm also confirmed not mafia by Michelle, and confirmed not 3p by SoA)

We miiiight need 1 town, but we also might not.

Oooooh, I get what you're saying now.

I thought you were saying 4KP as in roles in the game that have KP, but you mean 4 chances to kill someone outside of the mafia NK.

I'm double-checking this list and reposting for my own understanding

There will be at least 1 Sane Town Cop. - **Probably True** - claimed by MafiaMenace
There will be at least 1 Insane Town Cop. - **Confirmed** - Michelle
There will be no Day Vigilante. - **Probably True**
There will be at least 1 Lie Detector. - **Unconfirmed** claimed by Paopan
There will be at least 1 Role that’s pointless.
There will be at least 1 Mafia. - **Confirmed**
There will be at least 1 Third Party. - **Confirmed**
There will be no Post Restriction roles. - **Probably True**
There will be at least 1 Loyal role. - **Confirmed** - LinearPoint
There will be no Vanilla roles because they suck. - **Probably True**
There will be only two roles without a modifier.
There will be no redirection roles of any kind.
There will be at least 8 Town roles. - **Confirmed** - 7 have flipped + Marmot
There will be at least 1 role with a day ability. - **Confirmed** - Lime Coke
There will only be one of the above that’s a lie.

I guess, what does 4 KP do for who you think is town?

What do you mean by "if we have 4" though, I'm still confused by that?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:47 am Jack and Paopan can be mafia teammates yeah?

Jack with the random doctor claim, just a weird role for mafia.

I guess I should look at the Scotty chop again.

One of the things that's clearing Jack is the lie-detector claim that Paopan made, so it could be a way to clear each other.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:48 am @Marmot if the host gives us 3 KP I'm taking you and JoH as town, if the host gives us 4kp, I'm taking JoH. Any objections?

I don't really understand what you mean by taking.

Also, you're gonna take me as town whenever the host comes to confirm me. I'm a conditional innocent child that had to do a bunch of things to reveal on Day 5.

Jack and Paopan can be mafia teammates yeah?