The Syndicate

Also, yay, I won a game.

S~V~S wrote:Wow, YAY!!

MM I am soooo sorry. I was sure Dom was the rezz/lynch save guy since most people would have rezzed Epi right away, the first dead civvie, especially since he is a vocal player, but the rezzer waited for a more valuable role to rezz, which I have seen Dom do more than once.

And Epi, I honestly did not suspect you for your posting style, but for your actions.

I read through the roles, and I figured MP's might prove more useful than Epi's due to the tarot cards. I also thought since MP has been killed early in games a lot since his return, he might be more interested in being active.

Good game y'all. Sorry for lynching you vompatti.

The fact that BWT hasn't responded either is somewhat disheartening.

Dang, you guys voted quick. I was going to put together a case for each Dom and Mongoose to see what you guys thought, but I fell asleep shortly after I started.

I'm planning on voting BWT as well, but we can still discuss the others.

Hey llama, I don't know if A. E. Waite is dead or not, but can his night action only be used once or on a nightly basis?

S~V~S wrote:MM, I have a question for you~ the prize you won. I know what mine was. What was your prize? Maybe a lynch stop? Rhetorical question, I don't want you to actually say what your prize was. But I do know what mine was, and I think a lynch stop is a very reasonable prize.

I won't tell you what the prize was, but I will say that it was temporary. The day I won it was the only day it could be used, after which it expired. Did such a thing also occur with your prize?

Vompatti wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seems like no one wants to discuss.

I went ahead and vote for vompatti.
Did you notice Dom's drive-by vote and how do you feel about it?

I know you're dead at this point, but I did not think much of it, mainly because I never suspected Dom. I also feel it would be hypocritical of me to even try to make a case out of it.

Sorry vomps.

Seems like no one wants to discuss.

I went ahead and vote for vompatti.

I'm probably going to go with vomps. If we can get some conversation going, I'm open to discuss other players too.

What are your thoughts on this post from vomps on Day 5, MP?

Vompatti wrote:I'm voting MM like I did last time, but I'm also keeping an eye on INH for reasons not stated in this post.

Also, SVS, could you please answer this question? I still don't know what you meant here. You may have answered it already, but I'm not certain if you did.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:That makes me want to ote MM again tomorrow, tbh. We have another lynch survivor, so i would like to revisit the MM discussion.
What? I'm the only one who's survived a lynch.

S~V~S wrote:That makes me want to ote MM again tomorrow, tbh. We have another lynch survivor, so i would like to revisit the MM discussion.

What? I'm the only one who's survived a lynch.

thellama73 wrote:General Announcement: Please check to make sure you are still alive before posting on topic in the thread. Thanks very much.

I feel like this is directed at someone but I can't figure out who. I guess someone's post was deleted.

thellama73 wrote:You civilians sure are lucky I decided to count Elohcin's vote. Random.org was gunning for MetalMarsh. :P

And no, the game is not over.

Based on nutella's lynch, llama randomizes in the case of a tie.

So we can't automatically assume bwt's or vomp's vote was worth extra, because INH may have just gotten unlucky.

And I don't know how anyone else feels about this, but it looks like llama slipped up here. I may get slammed for looking too much into this, but llama seems to imply in this post that the civvies are lucky that nutella was lynched over me, meaning I am civvie. Take it how you will.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dang, I was just about to vote! Sorry about that, host and players.

Even bwt remembered to vote.

Sorry for poking fun bwt.

Linki: what vompernator?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm holding onto my vote in case I need to save myself. If I don't need to do that, I might go for Hedgeowl. I don't like the vote for Vomps. I think he's still genuinely interested in the game, and that alone is enough to make me think he wouldn't self-insanify.

Is this why you voted alongside him?

Vompatti wrote:I'm voting MM like I did last time, but I'm also keeping an eye on INH for reasons not stated in this post.

This is the only sane time vomps has mentioned INH, and it doesn't make sense.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
My top suspect would be BWT, he's been just as blendy as I've been accused of being.

There is this post.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright, so we have a little bit of time before the vote ends. I don't know where I stand on a MM vote at this point, mostly because the only case I see for him is that "he's blendy". Is that the greatest extent of it or am I missing something else?
I was trying to understand where the case on you was coming from, because I didn't understand or agree with it.

And this

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Okay, makes sense.

Of course I'm probably coming off as blendy. :P Speed games are usually terrible with my schedule, which is why I don't play them much anymore. I often don't have the time or energy to post nearly as much as I like.

I'll think about what you said. I'm not really committed to voting for any one person in particular yet, and I have a bit more time before I have to come to a decision.
BWT even admits to being blendy.

Did you look at the reason why I admitted to being blendy? I think it's a legitimate reason. Granted, I'm doing my best to try a bit harder. But I hate that it has to come with my head possibly being on the chopping block today.
Also, why is it that a guy who has also been accused of being "blendy" decides to go after another player who has the same accusation leveled at him. So which is the pot and which is the kettle here?

If you have some reason for looking at me other than me being "blendy" which I'm honestly starting to get tired of, given I get called "blendy" several times in almost every game of mafia I play, then I will gladly listen and offer explanations. But if I get lynched again because I came off as "blendy", I'm going to call BS.

Was I actually being blendy? I thought you didn't agree with that sentiment to begin with. You also admitted to being blendy, so you can't really deny that label being put on you.

Also, what is with vomp's attitude today and why did he vote INH?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, I'm not so sure myself.

I do know I will not be voting Metalmarsh though.

Much appreciated.

My top suspect would be BWT, he's been just as blendy as I've been accused of being.

There is this post.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright, so we have a little bit of time before the vote ends. I don't know where I stand on a MM vote at this point, mostly because the only case I see for him is that "he's blendy". Is that the greatest extent of it or am I missing something else?

And this

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Okay, makes sense.

Of course I'm probably coming off as blendy. :P Speed games are usually terrible with my schedule, which is why I don't play them much anymore. I often don't have the time or energy to post nearly as much as I like.

I'll think about what you said. I'm not really committed to voting for any one person in particular yet, and I have a bit more time before I have to come to a decision.

BWT even admits to being blendy.

Then there is also SVS.

S~V~S wrote:I don't think he's blendy, I think YOU'RE blendy

You both came in at the same time, he has 9 or 10 more posts than you. He talks, but does not say much. More of his posts are addressing mentions of him than discussing suspicions. He got Bloopers eye, and then tried to push off his vote for Nutella as a cred thing,when it really had no bearing on a LMS role.

SVS, here you accuse me of defending myself more than actually offering thoughts on my own suspicions. Your thoughts are a little conflicting though.

S~V~S wrote:What I think INH meant, and I thought it was fairly obvious, was that Abremelin would PLAY the game that way, not that he was ALIGNED that way by the host. The host clearly aligned him as Indy/secret role. But playing the game as a civ would be the best viable way IMO, especially if the theory that Abremelin could not kill until the Mafia was gone is the correct one. It is also possible he chose not to kill to lull the civs and to hide a bit better.

I asked people to reread Blooper to see if they could come up with a reason someone might kill her; have you? Do you have any ideas on who might have wanted to kill her?

Here you are not happy that I didn't understand what INH was talking about and questioned him about it. This I still don't like. You said a similar thing to me when I questioned you because I didn't understand what you were saying. Please tell me, why should I assume I know what someone is talking about when I really don't? That ideology just seems to have a little bit of malice to me.

Feel free to offer some input Dom and MP. You two seem lost, so maybe we can get this ship turned around?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, of course I would miss another vote. I mean, I've only missed 6 of my last 8 possible votes on this site, so clearly I shouldn't bother voting ever. Or playing for that matter.

I've done that before. Don't let it get to you.

insertnamehere wrote:OK, I see three ways that MetalMarsh survived that lynch.

1. The lynch was stopped by Theoprastus Paracelsus.

2. MM won something, or was given something by someone.

3. MM is Abramelin, and is immune to his first lynch?

I probably won't be voting for MM tomorrow.

You're on the right track.

I'm going to vote insertnamehere being that he is the only other player with a vote, for self-preservation.

But you all are wasting your time.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.
I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?
Okay, I see this quote too in one of SVS' posts. But this is the only other evidence I can find. So is that pretty much it?

That was the point offered. But I want to know why it is relevant when I was the first vote on nutella? Yes it was a bit of a drive-by (due to my lack of time), but it's not like I was following some trendy bandwagon.

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.
Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?
I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?
I didn't realize the non-suspicion you were referring to was something that existed before her death (or nutella's). I thought you were saying that you looked her over again today, and didn't suspect her. me
No, I was talking about why someone might kill her, since the new killer killed her

With no other leads, sometimes it helps to try and figure out WHY someone killed a specific victim.

This post specifically is why I voted for you:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.
I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?
Plus this one to a lesser extent:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I really don't know who to look at. I'd assume that Abramelin was civvie-neutral before he had his little "operation", and possibly had to get the baddies out in order to make himself stronger.
I dunno if I agree. There are so many civvie players, I have a hard time seeing Abramelin aligned with them, even at the beginning.

Linki: thanks llama.
What I think INH meant, and I thought it was fairly obvious, was that Abremelin would PLAY the game that way, not that he was ALIGNED that way by the host. The host clearly aligned him as Indy/secret role. But playing the game as a civ would be the best viable way IMO, especially if the theory that Abremelin could not kill until the Mafia was gone is the correct one. It is also possible he chose not to kill to lull the civs and to hide a bit better.

I asked people to reread Blooper to see if they could come up with a reason someone might kill her; have you? Do you have any ideas on who might have wanted to kill her?

Sorry, but I'm not one to make assumptions on what other players are trying to say, especially if it's not clear. I don't like that you expect me to do so.

thellama73 wrote:Ninja Blooper has been murdered to death by Abramelin the Mage.
MovingPictures07 has been resurrected.
You have 24 hours to lynch someone. Actually, I am going to a baseball game tomorrow night. You have 48 hours.

llama posted this at 6:02 PM on Thursday, so we have 'til that time on Saturday I presume.

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.
Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?
I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?

I didn't realize the non-suspicion you were referring to was something that existed before her death (or nutella's). I thought you were saying that you looked her over again today, and didn't suspect her.

me

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Dom wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: Moving on, I'm not getting a LMS indie type of vibe from Dom, but more of a cold, confused, and angry civvie. We should just wait until the drugs wear off, and then hear what he has to say in a hopefully more coherent manner.
I think that's why I have a hard time reading Dom sometimes. In most games, he comes across to me this way at at least one point in time. And that's the impression I'm getting from him now.

Dom, do you feel that the medication you're on is affecting your ability to play or comprehend the game in some ways, or is that a load of crock?
That's a load of crock.
It affects my appetite and my sleep patterns. That's it.
INH would like you to believe that I am a complete, incoherent mess that can't post. I'm not.
Okay, thanks for the response. As for your vote, that's...interesting. Mostly because I still feel this thing between you and INH is civ on civ.

That sounds exactly like what nutella said, which was the reason I suspected her.

I mean we have almost 24 hours to vote, I don't know why you all are rushing.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.
I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?
I, like Blooper, have been suspicious of the replacements and did a reread of MM. There's really not much there, but this caught my eye. There's unfortunately not much more to go on, but I think MM posts read blendy and trying to hide in plain sight.

Votes Metal

Am I really being blendy? Or are you just saying that to be blendy?

nutella's been the only player I've had any sort of hunch about so far, which is why I voted for her (first) yesterday. I haven't had a lot of motivation to scumhunt actively this game, but I am most definitely observing player interactions, as well as thinking of different scenarios regarding Abramelin and who it could be, some of which I've posted.

S~V~S wrote:In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?

Welcome back MP. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you are civvie.

The thing I worry about is the mystery about his ability to become "super powerful". Will he still be killable to a reasonable extent?

insertnamehere wrote:I really don't know who to look at. I'd assume that Abramelin was civvie-neutral before he had his little "operation", and possibly had to get the baddies out in order to make himself stronger.

I dunno if I agree. There are so many civvie players, I have a hard time seeing Abramelin aligned with them, even at the beginning.

Linki: thanks llama.

nijuukyugou wrote:What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

BWT

I'm voting nutella. I don't know if I'll be on in the next couple hours, so I'm placing my vote now.

Elohcin wrote:As for who I am voting for today, it is between Mongoose and Nutella. I have explained my suspicions of them both and Nutella's most recent post seems like distancing to me.

Niju, what do you think of Mongoose? You had said before the MP lynch that his case on her seemed sound and then you voted MP. What was your reasoning there?

There's only one mafia left. Who is nutella distancing from? As far as I know, distancing is something that baddies teammates do.

Oops, I just kind of assumed this phase was going to be 48 hours like the last two. Sorry everyone.

insertnamehere wrote:I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

I'm indifferent on this.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

He was the first one to vote on Day 2. Votes by other players would not have affected him at all.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

This I can agree with, but he was not absent on Night 1.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Maybe their team power has the possibility of backfiring?
What do you mean? (my brain is tired)

I was referring to this.

thellama73 wrote:Mafia:
Team Power: Each night, they can attempt to evoke a demon to do their bidding.

I'm not really certain what this means. I'm sure that the last baddie can still kill in addition to this action though. However, I think it likely we have an inactive baddie team. AP does have a tendency to miss night actions (though he rarely misses votes). We know that he was one baddie, and I'd bet his teammate is of a similar mold in this game.

Maybe their team power has the possibility of backfiring?

Dom wrote:Quiet :hmm:

That seems to happen after a baddie is lynched. I'm guilty as well.

S~V~S wrote:Linki~ oooooo thats cool

Thanks! It did the trick.

I'll try again.

This magic circle I constructed this morning. From within this realm, I study the secrets of this world.

nijuukyugou wrote:I know it's late, but HELL YES great result

Welcome, MM and BWT!

Is Vomps usually delightfully weird when posting? I am enjoying it so, but I'd like to know if it's behavior to be looked at or overlooked.

I was asking the same things in the Hobbit game, but the response I got was "don't worry about him too much, he's a special player."

Boogs wrote:For the ones who are on the fence about me, I do want to say most of you have played with me before and as SVS stated this is my normal Civ behavior.

That's not for you to tell us. That's for us to figure out.

Vompatti wrote:Who are you and what have you done to Lizzy?!

You don't need to know the answer.

thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing Lizzy. Given that he only has 2 1/2 hours to catch up and vote, I will not punish him if he misses it.

Excellent, because I'm leaving for work in 5 minutes and have no chance of catching up before then.

Hello.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yay game!

Definitely voting for Alchemy but mostly due to Fullmetal Alchemist and not actually because it's awesome (though that's the remainder of the reason).

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