The Syndicate

^My previous post was made in response to DDL.

I'm glad you're willing to approach the game in a way that you can contribute.

That said, I honestly don't understand the argument that NAA and Urist are trolling.

Imo, NAA is stating reads, interacting with players, and pushing a night-action strategy that he thinks is optimal.

Imo, Urist is advocating for players to play in a manner that gives scum little information to plan around. He thinks that's optimal. I completely disagree, and think it's kinda scummy he's pushing that.

But I don't understand how you see it as trolling. If you don't want to talk about it, feel free to ignore this post. I'm stating what I see, and it's clearly not what you see.

I'm actually a marmot not a panda

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:09 pm Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

EBWOP: at no point in this game have I *knowingly* suggested/pushed someone who is town.

There's a very good chance I've pushed town at some point, but only a wolf would know that.
He said if

Gimme that tmi meme please

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:21 pm What the f? sig townreads DDL and Marmot yet wants to shoot them?

I know he probably shoved us into a 4-person POE that Nanook requested (although sig actually gave 5), but I don't get why we ended up in there before hk.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:16 pm sig's wallpost of reads has me waffling again. Also, how did he post so much about everyone with such little content before that? My mind is blown!
I found it vaguely scummy. I’m back to not fully read the game whoops

Also omgus the lot of you

oh my gay u suck?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:09 pm Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

EBWOP: at no point in this game have I *knowingly* suggested/pushed someone who is town.

There's a very good chance I've pushed town at some point, but only a wolf would know that.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:09 pm Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

sig's wallpost of reads has me waffling again. Also, how did he post so much about everyone with such little content before that? My mind is blown!

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:11 pm
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sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:09 pm I'm gonna throw out some quick reads with maybe some explanation.

Creature: Mafia lean Not a huge fan of Michelle content/who they're pushing, but still a bit unknown.

Dragon D. Luffy: Town based off tone/posts. Haven"t read through fingersplints yet but I know she was pushing him so this might evolve.

DrWilgy: Town

Dyslexicon: Mafia lean, based off michelle mainly.

falcon45ca: Town lean

Guillotine: Strong town: Still new to Guillo, but he seems to be playing within normal town meta, plus did help nail Michelle.

hollowkatt: Null, the AtE, is a bit weird at this stage, but not scummy.

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

NotAnAxehole: Mafia: Posts are coming across as scummy from a gut level and really don't like the teeing up for votes or the people he's saying should be voted. Chiefly don't like the mech mafia angle since it Isn't getting explained and really doesn't seem to have any bearing. (get it bearing )

Spacedaisy: Town lean based off posting style.

Urist: Town: This is mainly based off there Gullio read. I view that as some town/town.

I'd say my issue right now is too many town reads and no really solid mafia reads. So i'll
So I'll be going through and doing some ISO at a later point.

Ranking wise I'd probably shoot in the order of NAA, Dizzy, Creature, DDL, marmot I guess

Why would you shoot myself and DDL (townreads) before you would shoot hk (a null read)?

Too many townreads isn't a terrible thing. It can be slightly scum-indicative (because scum have to force scum reads on town players, and it's easier to TR them since they know they're town). I don't think that's the case here. You do have some nuance at least, which is nice in narrowing down a POE.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:04 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:00 pm If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.
the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.
We are playing mafia. Not every game of mafia is required to have the same style of play.

I do believe it behooves us to have Nanook hold his cards close to his chest, as he's doing. I don't believe that everyone else should do the same, at least in regards to giving reads. (They probably should when it comes to talking about night targets).

But Nanook playing discretely means that the rest of us still have to work to give him information to work with. Otherwise we might as well just let him rand his shot every day. I haven't run the numbers on that, but town's odds of winning are likely pretty low if we do that.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:00 pm If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.
the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:00 pm If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

My POE includes DrWilgy, sig/Creature, Urist, and Dizzy

I don't think sig and Creature are teammates, but that one of the two could be mafia.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:57 pm There has been literally zero sense about why I’d be mafia at all. The only reasoning anyone has given was because of some assumptions about what drives the mafia kill and then presumption it is me by people who have literally never played with me before so I have no idea how I’m even in this list in the first place.

You accused Creature of weeing in the thicket. That's pretty sus

Tbh, I do like mechanically solving games, but since several other people already put the work in Day 1, I'm just blindly sheeping it.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:50 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:44 pm Someone should be able to read DrWilgy here I guess. Just skimmed their ISO and it looks pretty lackluster.

Imo, every now and then DrWilgy does blatantly towntell in games, otherwise he's hard to read. I don't see that here, but he could still be either alignment.

It just occurred to me that the three lowest posters in the game: sig, Spacedaisy, and DrWilgy, are pushing Creature, and for slightly different reasons.
Maybe we're all mafia

sig > DrWilgy > Spacedaisy

That is the likelihood I see of the three of you being mafia.

Since Wilgy is just sheeping Spacedaisy, I think he always has a higher chance than Spacedaisy.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:43 pm I don't think that sig is necessarily town, but he has made more attempts at finding scum today than a few other players, namely Urist and DrWilgy

Spacedaisy falls in the same boat.

I agree that sig's attempts are not impressive, though I will acknowledge he has little to work with. On the whole, this game is very low-volume right now, and generating content seems to be difficult for a lot of people in this game.

I'd be ok shooting sig, I also think there are marginally better options today.
You want me to get you some syrup since there's an awful lot of waffling going on here.

I am acknowledging reasons to argue your alignment either way. What do you make of my waffling?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:44 pm Someone should be able to read DrWilgy here I guess. Just skimmed their ISO and it looks pretty lackluster.

Imo, every now and then DrWilgy does blatantly towntell in games, otherwise he's hard to read. I don't see that here, but he could still be either alignment.

It just occurred to me that the three lowest posters in the game: sig, Spacedaisy, and DrWilgy, are pushing Creature, and for slightly different reasons.

I don't think that sig is necessarily town, but he has made more attempts at finding scum today than a few other players, namely Urist and DrWilgy

Spacedaisy falls in the same boat.

I agree that sig's attempts are not impressive, though I will acknowledge he has little to work with. On the whole, this game is very low-volume right now, and generating content seems to be difficult for a lot of people in this game.

I'd be ok shooting sig, I also think there are marginally better options today.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:38 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:32 pm Perhaps this might just be an easy game.

I'm okay with sig and Spacedaisy shots.

What about DDL?

Also, sig was the first person to dive into Michelle spew, why is he on this list?
DDL I kinda trust Dyslexicon's townread on him and also the fingersplints kill looks way straight to the face if it was done because she was wolfreading DDL.

I think sig's spew dive left me unimpressed tbh.

Michelle had 6 posts and 4 of them were void of any interactive content. There wasn't much to analyze.

Where I'm at right now

I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:12 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:53 am I would never kill fingersplint if I was a wolf, I would kill me, I would kill DDL if they are town, Dyslexicon if they are town or at the very least a loud voice. That kill was simply a doc dodge, but that's good because those slots like that are PoE so the wolves are helping us box them in with those kills.

GOOD JOB TRASH PANDAS! GOOD JOB! I Approve lol.
Tbf, killing yourself if you are a wolf sounds counterproductive.

Unless you were gambling that someone would protect you, but I don't know if that gains you anything. If a doctor successfully protects someone, are they informed? Also, if a player is successfully protected, are they informed that mafia tried and failed to kill them?
Lol. That is not what i meant.

What i meant was that if i was a wolf i would kill the player who got cleared off Michelle’s death by pushing her, leading her getting shot by Nanook, or ddl who voted her right before Nanook shot her or i would fear kill a legendary player like Dizzy or at least a loud voice. Not fingertips who made no impact whatsoever on day 1.

The only explanation for that kill is that scum feared me getting protected by one of the 10 doctors and went for a doc dodge kill.

I don't think those two thing are mutually inclusive, but sure it is possible.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:32 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:51 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:49 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:44 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:42 am Sorry, but this is objectively false, Nanook has the gun. LOL
And he has no way of making informed decisions unless people post and participate.

Also if you are gonna just spend the game quoting people and telling them "lol all you said don't matter since you don't have the gun", I'll just ignore you because that isn't useful and isn't funny.
My point isn't that your opinion doesn't matter, it's that... Assume Urist knows he's not getting shot, his posting so that people can read him better is really meaningless.
And you think he knows that because... ?
nanook knows my meta well enough to townread me here so posting more than the bare minimum just makes the thread more difficult to read.

Why should Nanook townread you here?

As far as I can tell, your contributions today have included asserting Guillo is mafia, telling him not to reveal protect targets, and repeating those things. Imo, that's not obvious townie material.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:08 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:06 pm I expect your socky 2022 nominations
I'll fudge the votes in your favor, don't worry.
Ok, I want best newcomer this year. I didn't play the minimum amount to no longer be considered a rookie.

Noted

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:53 am I would never kill fingersplint if I was a wolf, I would kill me, I would kill DDL if they are town, Dyslexicon if they are town or at the very least a loud voice. That kill was simply a doc dodge, but that's good because those slots like that are PoE so the wolves are helping us box them in with those kills.

GOOD JOB TRASH PANDAS! GOOD JOB! I Approve lol.

Tbf, killing yourself if you are a wolf sounds counterproductive.

Unless you were gambling that someone would protect you, but I don't know if that gains you anything. If a doctor successfully protects someone, are they informed? Also, if a player is successfully protected, are they informed that mafia tried and failed to kill them?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:06 pm I expect your socky 2022 nominations

I'll fudge the votes in your favor, don't worry.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:48 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:08 pm I take the falcon read back.

I would shoot Sig, creature or spacedaisy

Hi @Spacedaisy nice to finally get a game with you. Welcome to The Syndicate, Nanook has a gun... He went out onto his front porch and shouted NRA... And they delivered a gun within 10 minutes.
Nice to play with you. I appreciate the welcome, but perhaps I should to introduce myself, I'm one of the two founders of The Syndicate.

Also, shooting me would be a mistake as I'm not a trash panda.

I thought I was reading Creature civ, but the sudden turn and claim to be suspicious of mech talk hiding trash pandas has me considering they wee in the thick of it. I'd put my vote there.

I think you mean they were weeing in the thicket?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:32 pm Perhaps this might just be an easy game.

I'm okay with sig and Spacedaisy shots.

What about DDL?

Also, sig was the first person to dive into Michelle spew, why is he on this list?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:08 pm I take the falcon read back.

I would shoot Sig, creature or spacedaisy

Hi @Spacedaisy nice to finally get a game with you. Welcome to The Syndicate, Nanook has a gun... He went out onto his front porch and shouted NRA... And they delivered a gun within 10 minutes.

"Welcome to the Syndicate"

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:11 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:22 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:14 pm I think DDL is most suspicious so far today, for his comments in regards to falcon. It very much reads like maf throwing out some early confirmed town reads.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
fingersplints was mostly on DDL. If wolves bothered to ISO her then this might be a WIFOM kill.
DDL is 100 % town. I'd bet this and my three next games on it.
ok, so fingersplints was a dodge kill?
Looks very blatant if they killed her for suspecting DDL.
I'm ok with that. We can kill DDL

That was fast lol. Do you suspect DDL for any other reasons?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:01 pm Do I have to do anything? Please answer no

Answer my question plzthnks

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:22 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:14 pm I think DDL is most suspicious so far today, for his comments in regards to falcon. It very much reads like maf throwing out some early confirmed town reads.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
fingersplints was mostly on DDL. If wolves bothered to ISO her then this might be a WIFOM kill.
DDL is 100 % town. I'd bet this and my three next games on it.
ok, so fingersplints was a dodge kill?

I'd certainly believe it.

I think mafia will be very inclined to shoot townies who are not Nanook and who are not likely to draw a stray protect, in an attempt to dwindle numbers. Fingersplints was quiet enough that she probably wasn't going to draw such a protect.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:17 pmBUT, the dizzy thing is more iffy since if they have TMI this would be the perfect time to throw in the post dizzy did. Have michelle flip mafia and maybe get some quick civ points.
What town cred would I be getting? I still don't agree with shooting someone who has 4 posts. Seems like a missed opportunity to get more spew, because Michelle can be spew-y. But she was mafia, so that's a little bit nit-picky I guess.

Who would you have shot instead?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:48 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:07 pmOk boomer

ONLY A BOOMER WOULD STILL THINK WE'RE PLAYING BOOMER MAFIA
tell me guillo isn't playing like a stuck in the mud boomer and I'll retract it ;-)

guillo isn't playing like a stuck in the mud boomer

Regardless, I do feel comfortable in calling DDL town. He had some moments I didn't like early Day 1, but he did vote Michelle (a very minor townie thing given votes are meaningless, I know), but also if Dizzy calls him town after his vote for Michelle, I do believe that if Dizzy is town, his read is probably accurate, and if Dizzy is scum, that is a mild pocket attempt, not openwolfing.

DDL and Dizzy had enough extremely engaged interactions in this game, that I don't believe they are partnery.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:07 pmOk boomer

ONLY A BOOMER WOULD STILL THINK WE'RE PLAYING BOOMER MAFIA

I reread Dizzy's ISO. Mean is not the word that I'd use to describe him, where did you see that @Dragon D. Luffy?

Dizzy's posts where he called myself and Michelle "ok" doesn't look good in light of Michelle flipping wolf.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:00 pm Ok, I can actually vibe with Michelle + Marmot as pretty ok though.

In particular because this is Dizzy's only mention of Michelle, and it's a very mild read at that based on nothing in particular (though vibe reads are very real thins, I just don't see a reason for it here). I'm gathering that Dizzy is calling us both town in this post, can you clarify @Dyslexicon?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:22 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:14 pm I think DDL is most suspicious so far today, for his comments in regards to falcon. It very much reads like maf throwing out some early confirmed town reads.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
fingersplints was mostly on DDL. If wolves bothered to ISO her then this might be a WIFOM kill.
DDL is 100 % town. I'd bet this and my three next games on it.

Why's that?

Gj y'all. Will be around later tonight

Nanook definitely was hellbussing

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:43 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:41 pm Top priorities:

1. Be towny
2. Find town
3. Find wolf

Hi
Hey

I think you're town this game

I think I'm town this game too.

I actually have met a dog named Marmot.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:41 pm Top priorities:

1. Be towny
2. Find town
3. Find wolf

Hi

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:56 pm Also not a fan of your distancing accusations but im gonna assume they are reaction tests to which i answer the best way i can by doing this:

That reminds me of this one popular meme-creator who occasionally posts gifs of flamingos. Is that what this is?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:00 pm 2 mischops only feels unfair tbh. I think I felt the same last game lol.

I think we only get two mis-elims if none of our protects go through, if we get one successful protect in Night 1 or Night 2, we enter Day 3 with 11 players left and can still mis-elim.

If scum nail all their kills Night 1 and 2, we enter Day 3 with 10 players alive, and yes, that is mylo if we don't elim any scum before then.

Anyway, let's just elim scum so we don't have to worry about that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:20 pm Nanook is Red Trash Panda. Nanook yeet Nanook.

Nanook is sadly not an option in the poll.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:45 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:19 am I get the sense that people are unnecessarily provoking guillo, and I'd prefer if they didn't do that.
Which people?

Hk wad the first one to do it, DDL did it more recently.

I think they weren't the only ones but I forget who else did it

Is double-targeting allowed?

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