The Syndicate

Thanks Jay

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:41 pm Can't wolves just be among the low hanging who got townread early (lucy, Boquise, idk who else)?

Are you saying that they earned early townreads but their contributions have fallen off?

Katze is Dizzy

Why would should we launch falcon into the sun?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm Oh just noticed Marmot has a wagon

Yeh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

I hosted a game with him as mafia semi-recently (Coffia), his Day 1 start included lots of peepee poopoo, but he transitioned to attempting to defend himself when he was put under pressure. He was eventually yeeted Day 1.

In Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.

In Philo 2 Mafia, Wilgy did have some peepee poopoo, but on Day 2, he made an incredibly astute post summarizing the game state and what we should do, which was enough to (correctly) remove him from the POE, and direct us in the right direction.


This game, I would lean more towards Philo 2 than the others on meta.

That's a much more developed view of the meta than I have to offer here, so I will concede the point

I am thinking of recent things like Talking Heads Mafia when mafia Wilgy did extensive vote analysis or the like

Wilgy got away in that game with reviewing every single post that each player had made through I think Day 2, and given each of them point values based on how townie it was.

I thought it was clever.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm I'm outposting Marmot with my amazing content

I can't belive the critter who was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat is catching up with you

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:36 pm I don't think I care for a Marmot chop today

Good.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:33 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Dizzy is drfunky and gay

Creature is now frozen.

No, I'm bored.

Can you answer my question please?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

I hosted a game with him as mafia semi-recently (Coffia), his Day 1 start included lots of peepee poopoo, but he transitioned to attempting to defend himself when he was put under pressure. He was eventually yeeted Day 1.

In Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.

In Philo 2 Mafia, Wilgy did have some peepee poopoo, but on Day 2, he made an incredibly astute post summarizing the game state and what we should do, which was enough to (correctly) remove him from the POE, and direct us in the right direction.


This game, I would lean more towards Philo 2 than the others on meta.

Rondo, how do you have 278 posts already today, wtf

Anyway, I do think that Creature's argument to elim me because I am frozen is not a good one. If it's a pressure vote to get me to post content, fine, but I hope he's willing to reconsider at least.

CREATURE IS FROZEN AND CRYING IN WOLFCHAT

Dizzy is drfunky and gay

Creature is now frozen.

Technically that post said that Wilgy and falcon probably aren't paired, but I do recall saying around that time that I think that Wilgy is town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:24 pm Marmot, why am I town?

Because your reads aren't weak (if I may make such a critical statement about your scum game), nor are you making solely peepee poopoo posts.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:24 pm Marmot may be mafia, but we should do Marmot chop on D2 anyway.

I didn't realize we accepted pre-orders on chops in this game.

Ok technically it was 27ish hours, but what's a few hours among friends.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:19 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:29 pm @marmot Do you feel you have an ok grasp of the game state?

Not in the slightest, I've probably read 100 posts or so, plus a few ISOs about 30 hours ago.

Do you have a tl;dr?

Then why did you say THIS

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:57 am I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

Ok, you said it long time ago.

But also

GOTCHA HAHAHHAHAHAH

Yeah, that was 30 hours ago.

I've skimmed already, but I'll more thoroughly read the last couple pages or so, as well as anything else that anyone here thinks is worth directing my attention at.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:21 pm Marmot:

Ok but can you answer my question?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:14 pm For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.

What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?

Do you know what else you missed?

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Me

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:14 pm For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.

What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?

Just stop being frozen.

Why do you read me as frozen?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:29 pm @marmot Do you feel you have an ok grasp of the game state?

Not in the slightest, I've probably read 100 posts or so, plus a few ISOs about 30 hours ago.

Do you have a tl;dr?

For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.

What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?

Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:54 am Nate, Sean, Marmot



83% chance of at least 1 scum in that lil' group

I have to go to work, bbl

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:51 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:44 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I think Mac has played pleasant in this game, no need to name call tbh

These two have a long history together fwiw.

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I glanced at DrWilgy's ISO and have a firm townread there.

I glanced at falcon's too and don't have a firm townread, but I'm not ready to call him scum yet. I'll probably defer to Mac's read since he's so consistent at reading him.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:42 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:41 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:05 am If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:

Alison
Boquise
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
Seanzie
NateTheLesser

---[POE LINE]---

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Marmot

Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.

I think Nate sounds similar to his G1 play tbh
We pretty much have the same poe!

I'm so glad the band could get together for a game of mafia!

Now I wish @Master Radishes were here.

Where's your jazz marmot tho

Right back at you cuz

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:42 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 am I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third

2/3 of those have been fairly quiet. It is sorta typical to scum read the low posters because everyone sounds so townie and solvy. Is there anything on Marmot that you felt, as you wrote this post, was wolfy?

Given that I'd only posted that I was going to slank until Day 1, I'm also curious about this.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:05 am If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:

Alison
Boquise
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
Seanzie
NateTheLesser

---[POE LINE]---

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Marmot

Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.

I think Nate sounds similar to his G1 play tbh
We pretty much have the same poe!

I'm so glad the band could get together for a game of mafia!

Now I wish @Master Radishes were here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:12 am I have one complaint about seanzie thus far and that's a lack of transparent townreads, but I find him kinda townie aside from that.

Serious question: Do you believe the average number of townreads/game I give over all days in all my town games is above or below 4?

I don't have any belief about how many townreads/game to expect from you, but I'm basing it more around what I like to see from players in general, and that is townreads along with scumreads.

Tbh, despite the number of times I've played with you, I don't feel like I have a good grasp on your playstyle possibly because it doesn't happen frequently. But when I do picture you playing mafia, I always picture you in an armchair.

Hmm... I suppose we haven't played many games together lately.

In that case if it is a general read rather than Seanzie-specific, what about me sticks out in terms of the number of townreads? Do you believe I have contributed the fewest overall, or was it some other criteria that caused you to focus on me?

My approach to today, I won't have time to read the first 1000 posts of this game, so I plan to read from this point forward, and dive into ISOs for earlier content when I can. You'd posted recently, so you were one of the first on my ISO list. Glancing through your ISO, the thing I am concerned by is that you've noted a number of reasons to suspect other players, but little reason to trust/TR anyone, which could be an attempt to keep any sort of towncore from happening. Would you consider that your playstyle? Are there players that you townread at this point? Did I miss seeing those in your ISO?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

I find Mac mildly townie, but he's got a tone this game that I'm not used to that I want to keep an eye on. There are posts like this where he uses "lol" in his statements, something that lightens the conviction he had in them (which I get is an odd observation here given that it's added to a statement where he's talking about confidence), but additionally he's using other sentence add-ons like "though" and "but" back-to-back. I'm used to Mac speaking in facts, not considerations.

Anyway, just a note. I did go back through Ducktales Mafia to compare his posting there (a recent town game), Mac did use "lol" several times so maybe this observation isn't concerning. Also Mac caught falcon as scum Day 1 in that game, so his assertion here has some credibility.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:15 am We shoulda done a post cap, how do several of you have 100+ posts already?

day 0 was more casual, d1 started 12h ago

Oh shoot, I'm early.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:12 am I have one complaint about seanzie thus far and that's a lack of transparent townreads, but I find him kinda townie aside from that.

Serious question: Do you believe the average number of townreads/game I give over all days in all my town games is above or below 4?

I don't have any belief about how many townreads/game to expect from you, but I'm basing it more around what I like to see from players in general, and that is townreads along with scumreads.

Tbh, despite the number of times I've played with you, I don't feel like I have a good grasp on your playstyle possibly because it doesn't happen frequently. But when I do picture you playing mafia, I always picture you in an armchair.

Also, [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine as promised

We shoulda done a post cap, how do several of you have 100+ posts already?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:09 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:06 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 am I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third

Ooh yes, do explain this one.

Hi Marmot. I was nice and voted you earlier, so can you be nice and let me know if you have any thoughts on alignments thus far?

I'm getting there, this is my first time opening the thread since the first hour or two.

Which is why I'm amazed that I found a read from Creature that slots my name as scum with someone else.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:09 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:06 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 am I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third

Ooh yes, do explain this one.

Hi Marmot. I was nice and voted you earlier, so can you be nice and let me know if you have any thoughts on alignments thus far?

I'm getting there, this is my first time opening the thread since the first hour or two.

I have one complaint about seanzie thus far and that's a lack of transparent townreads, but I find him kinda townie aside from that.

JJJ is town because he isn't stilted off the face of the earth.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 am I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser

Maybe DrWilgy for third

Ooh yes, do explain this one.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am @Dyslexicon Two things

1) What is your favourite kind of burrito
B) What is your game state read?
%) If you had a vig who is gone and why?

@fingersplints and @Marmot same question.

Spoiler: show

(Fingersplints cant say me just calling it ahead of time)

1) Chile Relleno Burrito
B) Burrito
%) Burrito

I'm going to slank until at least Day 1 starts

Hi can someone else vote for me since I can't vote for myself?