The Syndicate

Is this really the same Rondo from Day 1?

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Partially for self-prez, and partially for naked voting me and generally having a lackadaisical Day 3.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:23 pm @Seanzie, why are you defending me?
At this point, I'm not. Yesterday I did because the elims looked like it was going to be between you/Flanders/Falcon, and I thought Flanders and/or Falcon were scum whereas I felt okay about you after D1.

Word

I don't think they're teamed from that interaction, and a town!Rondo would not avoid voting for Porscha because she's wolf, that doesn't make sense.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:40 am I also didn't like rondo's eod yesterday but i'm not sure if it's bad enough to make me feel like he's a for sure yeet already when hardly anything has happened today
This shows Porcha could be wolf. She is taking back her town read of me

This is a lazy read, why are you voting for me and not Porsche then?
That's easy. Because he's wolf

Vote Porscha

Porscha or Rondo?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:38 pm well I voted marmot and yet I sit here not being asked questions about it from seanzie !! despicable

I'll bite, why are you voting me?

You seem like the only one on my wagon that might explain it lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:40 am I also didn't like rondo's eod yesterday but i'm not sure if it's bad enough to make me feel like he's a for sure yeet already when hardly anything has happened today
This shows Porcha could be wolf. She is taking back her town read of me

This is a lazy read, why are you voting for me and not Porsche then?

@MacDougall come explain your vote.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:42 pm @MacDougall tell me about Marmot.
yeah ask the guy who's in 3 other games and played this one for like 10 minutes. lmao

I am in one other game and that feels like too much.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:21 am [VOTE: marmot ] aubergine because I just noticed Mac is

Mac is _______?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:12 pm Speaking of which, @MacDougall @Stupid Sexy Flanders do either of you know HOW you were revived?
Yes, I was revived by your mother.
The lady bumming smokes outside the donut shop?
That's her! Okay, Mac and Flanders' story checks out.

lmao

Maybe Sean is just choosing to play light-hearted this game.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:59 pm I think from what I’ve seen I don’t believe Creature is approaching this game from a scum POV.

I don’t find scum very willing to change a scum read to a town read without much fanfare like Creature did on Porscha unless it’s a scum buddy. All of creatures D1 scum reads died except Martin, Porscha, and Cobalt, but he gave up on Porscha tunnel without really drawing attention to it.

Unless scum team is Porscha+Creature, I don’t really see Mafia Creature making these kind of read progressions. At the very least I would expect Mafia!Creature to want to find a way to walk back on Porchsa scum read rather than just saying it was an early read without much weight to it.

It also might just be some kind of bias on my part but I’ve seen talk of lunching both Creature and Cobalt for not participating, but Creature so far hasn’t been bothered by it and isn’t trying to make an real accusatory remarks to those comments. He just kind of answers questions when asked.

I’ve also been silently keeping a tab on peoples reactions to certain game mechanic discussion and Creature saying that he just believes all revived to be town isn’t what I expect scum to go for a narrative unless they do have a conversion revive. In other words I sort of expect scum to want to cast doubt on revived townies especially since Doom did revive as Town. This is of course subject to change should there actually be a conversion revive, but it’s another point I have towards Creatire not seeming to really have an agenda he’s going for and feeling townie.

I dunno. I don’t feel like from this latest interaction that he’s scum.

If scum can revive someone as scum, wouldn't a scum player not want to propose that idea?

Maybe they can't and it doesn't matter, but I don't think the point that Creature thinks all revived players are town is ncessarily a townie point. Yes it narrows his POE, but there are still two wolves out there.

The rest of this I agree with on Creature though.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:23 pm @Seanzie, why are you defending me?
I thought you and seanzie had the most interaction (with each other) in day 1. he protects you day 2 vote. then right after asks mac his opinion of you from day 1. I dont really get it without more explanation from him.

sean's a little *sniff sniff* musky to me idk...............

Same, but he is staunchly defending me, which is pro-town so I'm still torn on it.

He's also so damn agreeable this game.

@Seanzie, why are you defending me?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:59 pm Honestly it's quite simple. If you were both Mafia it'd be silly to allow a 50/50 lynch between a Mafia and Town when both you and Marmot had the power to untie it.

I didn't realize there was a tie at the very end, but I probably would have changed my vote if I did. I was definitely aware of the fact that two people were dying.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:54 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 am I'm going to be away all day today, but I'll be around tomorrow
*Insert gif with bald eagles and freedom and lack of healthcare for the poor and stuff*

I was out in the woods rock climbing which albeit was still an activity that is not work, but also yeah America sucks in a lot of ways.

Bald eagles are cool, but it's too bad they've been adopted as the national bird.

Anywho

Hellooooo! Why am I a wagon?

I'm going to be away all day today, but I'll be around tomorrow

It just occurred to me that Cobalt's last game here was 2015.

I wish we would've known how much reanimation there would be yesterday. Resolving Cobalt in the double yeet would've been a good strategy

Original Players

Porscha
RondoDimBuckle
Creature
MartinGG99
Seanzie
Marmot
LinearPoint
Cobalt

Reanimated Players

MacDougall
Stupid Sexy Flanders

Dead Players

DaughterOfOmega
falcon45ca

I also think it's rand town for Martin to turn around and call me town at this point given it narrows the poe, and likewise LP to a lesser extent

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:50 am Honestly the only reason I would even consider otherwise is the 1 kill each night and so far 3 town revives, but conversion roles I find are usually really hated by players.

I think the game would be kind of unbalanced if every player that is revived is town, so I'd be willing to bet that there are not town players being revived at some point, and they're either wolf or 3p instead. Now, being able to revive a wolf would probably be too obvious, so reviving a town as a wolf would be more useful for them there. Do you think that's reasonable?

Yesterday I do remember sean made a good point that there are still 2 wolves among the original players, given the amount of unknowns among the revived, I think it's better to continue looking there.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:56 pm Martin, why are you voting falcon?
Haven't seen posts from him before in a town game of his

where he is directly interacting or duking it out with flanders

memory may not be 100% correct but for certain I don't see it often

regardless though I think chopping one of (but not both) of flac/flanders is correct

Do they know each other that well that they just generally tr each other?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:58 pm sean hard defending marmot while marmot is like "yeah idc if sean dies"

I glanced at Flanders ISO, and in that 30 seconds he looked townie

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 pm As it stands, one of sean or flanders will die too
Hopefull Sean so I can get some actual hard evidence on you two being the scum team.

He might be a wolf, but I'm not. I want a better reason than "you rolled mafia"

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:56 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:56 pm LP, why are you voting me?
You rolled Mafia.

Try again

As it stands, one of sean or flanders will die too

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

LP, why are you voting me?

Martin, why are you voting falcon?

I am also shielding marmot, DON"T VOTE FOR HIM!

I'd vote falcon over Flanders, falcon has like one bad postt (where he questions someone for having too many townreads) which I associate with his scum meta.

What are the cases oin them?

Alright 1 minute ISOs for falcon and flanders each

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:46 pm Back from driving for the past hour.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

I wouldn't mind voting cobalt, so long as that puts marmot outside of the top two wagons.

I get the feeling Marmot isn't a good wagon today given his strange and unexplained absence from the thread.

I kind forgot about the game for a sec, and I thought we had a couple more hours.

Sean are you shielding me?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:50 pm I'm feeling a goo 85% confident Mafia team is Marmot+Seanzie

I refuse to stand for people calling me goo

Sorry I'm late, what's going on?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:02 am I also had a greencheck on Mac. Funny that.
why did you check him

kinda feels like poking Mac at some points of d1 just to pressure him slightly is largely pointless if you were planning to check Mac because Mac is Mac

It was a joke, I don't have that ability.

DOOM are you town again?

I also had a greencheck on Mac. Funny that.

What does the chart in your conspiracy post mean Rondo? I forgot to ask.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:06 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:02 am Martin, when did I jump between you and sean? I don't think I've suspected sean at all this game?
Between these two posts

technically jumped to and from a mac vote, but this all happened in the time-span of an hour
Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:49 pm [VOTE: seaneize] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?
His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

Do you think that is AI?

Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).
I remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.
Oops, that's what I meant.

But I am now thoroughly convinced. [VOTE: martin] aubergine

That was a joke vote, I had no suspicion of him.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:59 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:42 am when I went to sleep

was genuinely not expecting thread to double in size over 8-ish hours

anyways I was thinking more about Marmot + Seanzie

and I was suspecting that the latter is town (primarily on the basis that, even though I found the reasons to be dubious, doesn't look like nearly all d1 !wolf seanzies I have seen)

and the former to be suspicious of given that I don't think anything Marmot has done is towny for him; he is one of the most successful wolfs on The Syndicate iirc and him jumping between Seanzie and I earlier makes me sus of him

lets see if the last roughly 250 posts support that

I haven't won a game as wolf since 2020 (and that's in like 9 attempts), I don't think anyone would call me a good wolf.
oh

well I guess maybe that's less relevant in recent years

there was a discord announcement or message once saying you were preety high on the total mafia wins board or something iirc

I've been here since 2014 and played a lot, which kinda skews those numbers.

I used to win as wolf more, but my playstyle has adapted to be less abrasive/shitposty/fluffy than it used to be, and more conducive to teamwork, and my wolf game suffered in the process. Bad luck has probably played a minor role too.

Martin, when did I jump between you and sean? I don't think I've suspected sean at all this game?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:42 am when I went to sleep

was genuinely not expecting thread to double in size over 8-ish hours

anyways I was thinking more about Marmot + Seanzie

and I was suspecting that the latter is town (primarily on the basis that, even though I found the reasons to be dubious, doesn't look like nearly all d1 !wolf seanzies I have seen)

and the former to be suspicious of given that I don't think anything Marmot has done is towny for him; he is one of the most successful wolfs on The Syndicate iirc and him jumping between Seanzie and I earlier makes me sus of him

lets see if the last roughly 250 posts support that

I haven't won a game as wolf since 2020 (and that's in like 9 attempts), I don't think anyone would call me a good wolf.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:51 pm I'd rather make it clear that I believe Marmot is Mafia and that he should be the actual lynch even if no one agrees.

The whole "it's inactive so you shouldn't vote them" is a stupid argument anyways. I'll vote scum when I want to vote scum. Fucking sue me.

I don't think that was clear to anyone.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:40 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:37 pm [VOTE: DOOM] aubergine because we're not killing Mac.
Well we have a few minutes.
I wanted to see any wagin movement at 3's, but not from you.
Why not from me?
Because I've already made my assumption on you.

Well we're at 4v4 now, will that still provide the info you want?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:40 pm Honestly I don't know about Martin. I'm not particularly opposed to either of these lynches, but Martin would always be more solvy than Omega. Though like I said I'm not confident in either of these flipping Mafia.

One could also argue that flipping him would be more beneficial based on interactions and such. DOOM hasn't had many.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:37 pm [VOTE: DOOM] aubergine because we're not killing Mac.
Well we have a few minutes.
I wanted to see any wagin movement at 3's, but not from you.

Why not from me?

I'm second guessing my early Martin suspicion because I think he was a little unfairly targeted for pulling us out of rvs, and because LP is shielding him (sort of).

Halp!!

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