The Syndicate

I shoulda done poll snapshots, that would've been useful.

There was a time yesterday when Alison was a primary candidate alongside Jay (and possibly Ender too at the time), and her wagon fell off in place of Ender's. I'm not sure if there's anything significant about that, but it's plausible given that Ender was probably always going to be easier to elim than Alison.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.

I would like you to explain more when you can. I'll be honest, this looks like an excuse to conf-bias yourself into voting me.

I'll be around in a few to chat more

[VOTE: jay] aubergine tbh

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:03 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:00 pm If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).
Damn so it is a miss?

I think Nate's admitting that Ender's his teammate.
Are you laughing about town's face now?

I... don't know?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:03 pm Remember me when the tides shift blue and the skies are grey.
Remember me when you realise who it is who holds sway,
The darkest night becalms with healthy rise,
When green the blood of he who dies.

I thought you weren't coming back!

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:00 pm If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).
Damn so it is a miss?

I think Nate's admitting that Ender's his teammate.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:00 pm Did anyone even have a wolf game from Ender for comparison?

His Champs game (where he was wolf) was incredibly different, but I don't know if the difference was particularly AI (Ender was very stubbornly avoidant early on this game)

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:59 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:54 pm If Ender flips W I am in charge tbh. Jay after me if I die.
Jay/Boq looking kinda sus
If Ender is W then Jay/Boq are likely cleared, Jay was Ender's main rival in thread and Boq supported Jay when it was unpopular to do so.

Didn't you describe Jay's interactions with Ender on Day 2 as wolf theater?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:57 pm I hate this "current top wagon doesn't show up EOD or only shows up when it's too late"

Ender lives in Australia iirc, and not everyone can show up to every EOD

*when I'm town

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:56 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:51 pm This probably clears Rondo more if Ender is w

If ender is v though. Oh lord. Have fun. Jay/Boq probably. Creature a possibility, but I would never go there first.

If Ender is v, Marmot is in charge, ok? Ok.
Isn't Marmot wolfreading Ender too?

Yes, but my terrible wolf game has a tendency to earn me townreads.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:55 pm Alison you just might hit 10,000 posts this game.
Please hit it in the same game I did!

Dizzy might hit 11,000 posts in this game!!

Alison you just might hit 10,000 posts this game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:52 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:50 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:49 pm I actually townread Dizzy now. He's no longer POE.

Just wanted to say that before EOD.
Yay!

Get rekt, wolves
It's funny because like 40 minutes ago we had each other as serious scum suspects and now we are like buddies despite no flips or significant things happening.

Maybe you are just really good at pocketing but I think you have been extremely townie this EOD.

Sorry Boq, you've lost your best friend.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:51 pm This probably clears Rondo more if Ender is w

If ender is v though. Oh lord. Have fun. Jay/Boq probably. Creature a possibility, but I would never go there first.

If Ender is v, Marmot is in charge, ok? Ok.

Imagine the thread listening to me after a fifth townie who scumread me dies. :wowee:

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:46 pm I really don't like Ender going over here
why not
I just don't like that I woke up to him being lead and I haven't had time to read I am only able to pop in

Fair.

Do you recall your read on him from before now?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm I am happy with a finger pivot or creature

I wouldn't be

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:46 pm This game has taken on a ridiculous pace and volume, even by Syndicate standards.
Remind me again why I play Mafia

For the clout

This game has taken on a ridiculous pace and volume, even by Syndicate standards.

Nate has talked very little about Ender until the last hour or so, this is true.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:42 pm If Ender is w, I'm pretty sure Nate is w too

why for?

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:38 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:33 pm Dizzy getting close to be replaced as my in-game bestie tbh

Alison and I are going to laser tag and you're not invited tbh
Goodnight tbqh!
Rude tbqh imho
You're the one wearing flipflops tbh

Dizzy and I are having waffles for breakfast, you aren't invited tbh

Tbh, the fact that Ender left by saying that there is a wolf in each of three groups of people instead of saying who his top three scumreads are is kinda wolfy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:35 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:32 pmI do remember this case very well, and is one of the recent points that has me leaning town on Jay.

I don't see scum!Jay attempting to back off of his case on you while Dizzy is simultaneously pushing him pretty hard unless you/Jay are exactly teammates.
Which is the world we're probably in if Ender is about to flip town here. Recall Boq's null reading of Jay. I won't be here to try and do something about that if this is the case though. But remember this please

Boq just posted a towncase of Jay though. When was it null tbh
At the beginning of the game when everyone town read Jay. Which is why it's strange tbh

Ture tbh

My read on Jay isn't null. It's complicated.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm Is Ender coming back?

He left a legacy post, so probably not.

(Well, he quoted one that he'd psoted earlier)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:32 pmI do remember this case very well, and is one of the recent points that has me leaning town on Jay.

I don't see scum!Jay attempting to back off of his case on you while Dizzy is simultaneously pushing him pretty hard unless you/Jay are exactly teammates.
Which is the world we're probably in if Ender is about to flip town here. Recall Boq's null reading of Jay. I won't be here to try and do something about that if this is the case though. But remember this please

Boq just posted a towncase of Jay though. When was it null tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:14 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:12 pm I think JJJ is town tbh
Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
I'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.
Because I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
I think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".

But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
@Alison @Marmot

I do remember this case very well, and is one of the recent points that has me leaning town on Jay.

I don't see scum!Jay attempting to back off of his case on you while Dizzy is simultaneously pushing him pretty hard unless you/Jay are exactly teammates.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Yes
Why is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.

I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.

I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.
But Marmot, if both Finger and Creature are giving town pings, that means my reads have been garbage.

We definitely can't have that

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Yes
Why is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.

I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.

I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:18 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:17 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I feel like lucy doesn't care about the way this EOD turns out. Like she does not feel invested at all in what's going to happen.
I'm just tired, I do care
Okay. What are your thoughts on Ender?
if he was scum his wagon would be harder, and he's been set up to be scum previously making him the easiest mislynch imo. ppl hard defend creature, I confuse people, marmot and jay can handle themselves with people defending them

What is your read of him, independent of other players in the game?

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm mfw my jjj town case and my ender vote are ignored

I skimmer the case

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Yes

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:05 pm I have decided to bury my tinfoil on Marmot too.
Progress.

If that is true, one of Ender and Jay should really be mafia. I'm currently on Jay. But I want to vote between these two today. I agree with Alison.

I don't think a Creature chop gives us much, as much as I don't really trust him or see where he's coming from.
Come vote Ender with me

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Don't leak our conversations in wolf chat, silly!
I'm serious though.

While I am a little hesitant on Alison's "what's my agenda" post, because it could like she's putting fingersplints off until another day, I generally agree with it and think it's a reasonable look for her.

There are some things Creature has done that stick out as townie to me. One post in particular I thought looked uninformed.

So I'm left at Ender and Jay of the current wagons. I would entertain lucy again, but I don't think the thread would support it (just Boq I think). And I'd vote Ender over Jay of those two.
mfw my jjj town case and my ender vote are ignored

wait. no. what'd i do?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:12 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm @Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?
I think by thread state and profiling, she is town. But I am not sure because this is a slot that is hard to read.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:00 pm And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?
Because Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?
You probably found it in your catchup but I lost some confidence in a Fingers yeet because I think if w!Fingers, Alison is most likely dead last night, or if not Fingers would at least have an opinion on them.
i think this is a good take
I dunno if I agree that w!fingers always kills me. I took quite a bit of heat yesterday, and w!fingers will have teammates who want to make kills befitting them too.
Maybe not. But the second part was that I think she'd at least be aware that you were a threat yesterday and have some sort of opinion on you.
Maybe? I got the sense that she was kinda checked out of the game.

I will sort her tomorrow. She's not a consideration for vote target for me today.

I felt that she had more engagement today than she had before today.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:05 pm I have decided to bury my tinfoil on Marmot too.
Progress.

If that is true, one of Ender and Jay should really be mafia. I'm currently on Jay. But I want to vote between these two today. I agree with Alison.

I don't think a Creature chop gives us much, as much as I don't really trust him or see where he's coming from.
Come vote Ender with me

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Don't leak our conversations in wolf chat, silly!

I'm serious though.

While I am a little hesitant on Alison's "what's my agenda" post, because it could like she's putting fingersplints off until another day, I generally agree with it and think it's a reasonable look for her.

There are some things Creature has done that stick out as townie to me. One post in particular I thought looked uninformed.

So I'm left at Ender and Jay of the current wagons. I would entertain lucy again, but I don't think the thread would support it (just Boq I think). And I'd vote Ender over Jay of those two.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:02 pm Ok if there's wolf within Alison/JJJ it's most likely JJJ

Mostly because I can see him being competent wolf faking solving but also being buried by burden of proficiency
Why does this apply to me rather than to Alison?
I'm not a competent wolf any more. I'm washed up. I got eliminated before endgame the last 5 times I randed wolf.
I literally got swept

Since we're 1-upping

I was literally day-vigged by my own team on Day 1 in my last wolf rand :wowee:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:05 pm I have decided to bury my tinfoil on Marmot too.
Progress.

If that is true, one of Ender and Jay should really be mafia. I'm currently on Jay. But I want to vote between these two today. I agree with Alison.

I don't think a Creature chop gives us much, as much as I don't really trust him or see where he's coming from.

Come vote Ender with me

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:37 pmI do agree with you on several of these points tbh.

Although can you talk more about his "being weird on my town case of fingers"? I can think of a few reasons why Jay might act weird around that, but I'm curious why you say that.

But in particular, I agree that Jay undermining his own work seems kinda sus. Why go to all that work if it doesn't provide useful ouput or information to work with?

I know Jay didn't support a Wilgy yeet. He wasn't very vocal about it, but I do know he didn't support it at least.
I just think he kind of ignored it? It seems like you were very confident, and he kind of shrugged it off, I feel. I don't feel like he really considered it. I don't know how correct that is, but that is how I feel.

He has acknowledged it at times, so I'm not sure what level of engagement you would expect from him on that front.

If he wanted to kill her, I would certainly expect more.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:02 pm Who are Creature's partners if he's w?

Me and katze

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:02 pm Ok if there's wolf within Alison/JJJ it's most likely JJJ

Mostly because I can see him being competent wolf faking solving but also being buried by burden of proficiency

JaggedJimmJay is FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat naow

@Dyslexicon can you respond to this please

My brains is puddle, what to do nwo

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:55 pm @Dyslexicon If I am mafia and finger is town why do I relent on her today? I could have very easily refused to give her credit for her "frustrated" post, citing the well known fact that I scumread AtE. She is a very viable wagon today and isn't here to defend herself. I am clearly not gonna pocket her with my "pass". What is my agenda there? Is it just WIFOM?
True. I like this.

Same

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:50 pm Creature, fingersplints was one of the wagons you said was probably a misyeet yesterday. What changed?
I don't remember saying that. I don't have a good reason to townread fingersplints and someone had a giant wolf case on them.

I don't think you said it explicitly, but I inferred from your posts (and vote) that you thought Wilgy and fingersplints were misses (as Wilgy was). Though it was hard for me to figure out who you were talking about at times.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:48 pm Creature saying he didn't know Sean townread him does seem like a very unpartnered comment.
unpartnered from whom

Anyone. It looks very uninformed.

Creature, fingersplints was one of the wagons you said was probably a misyeet yesterday. What changed?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:48 pm [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

reeeeeeeeee

Search found 549 matches