The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:01 pm i dont disagree with blindly sheeping a player who has a consistent track record of yeeting mafia - if there is such a player then this is a good play

From the games ive played with town mac the only one that stands out to me is radiohead wrt his accuracy. Nothing else stands out i dont think. My sample size is low

Perhaps other people have played more games with him and have seen more of his great games, thats my only logical explanation for this discrepancy in our perceptions

Making Friends and Enemies, he nailed nutella and I pretty accurately (but I killed him before he could really push me)

He had me pegged in Shadow Corridors as well. I don't recall who else he nailed.

And also yes, he got cat this game.

He's at least better than I am at catching scum.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:00 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 am Why sheep JPIC?
Why not?
"I'm super town" isn't super appealing?
Why is JPIC super town?
I defended your slot D1, but then was concerned I was wrong with the Dya NK who was heavily suspecting you D1

Oh I forgot about that.

I also defended Thunal Day 1. Please live up to those expectations hk

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:40 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:27 am Idt I’ve been floating through the thread so much as just not present for large chunks of it

Maybe that’s the same thing tho idk
Why am I vibing with this?

I've definitely missed a post or two.

But definitely no more than two.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:11 am
Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:10 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:08 am Why do you think my reads were ordered
I actually wasn't sure on that. Was that your town list? Your baddie list? A rainbow read list?
List of town

Not ordered

Do you have a list of scumreads?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:04 pm Also, just so I can understand the logic going forward, why would a player vote their teammate and then ghost thread?

Iirc, your vote came at a time when cat was not in danger.

As for why you ghosted, I dunno. Why did you not return?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:57 am
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I think that Nanook is bad because of Syn, but not necessarily bad with Syn

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:53 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:49 pm @Sloonei
Nanook - I'm gravitating towards scumreading him now. Friendo hasn't engaged me directly at all D1. I feel like he doesn't care about what happens to me in game. He's someone that I believe has a good read on me in general. He wouldn't just sit back and and let me get townread or scumread -- he'd get involved in the discussion, methinks.
Syn - I never got a response to my question. Marmot caught on what I was trying to suggest though. Basically, how I interpreted Syn's post to Tim about him not having a read on me because he hasn't read the game was that Syn has read the game and that he DOES have a read on me. Haven't seen it though.
I TR you and you haven’t been in actual danger so

No need to go hard in your defense

Especially with the claim throwing me off
I don't really agree with Hyena's read of Nanook here. In Bread, Nanook was very content on getting me chopped pretty much all game. He wouldn't defend other people, even if he figured they were town. I feel like not getting involved in brawls that don't involve him is closer to Nanook's Meta. BUT, he defends Hyena's read as accurate (which it could be. I'm not a Nanook meta expert or anything). I find it scummy that he accepts this read of his meta as 100% accurate without any sass and addendums. it's scummy to avoid conflicts (like the kinda a disagreement on meta might produce) in hopes of the person backs down from their case
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:16 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:11 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:06 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:05 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:04 am

given tim's play, pretty good odds
I was somewhat astonished that the answer to "who tilted Nanook" was not "Syn did it."
Idt syn’s ever tilted me
Me neither but he tries constantly and I like to encourage him to think he may be effective someday.

Any idea why Nutella has him so far down the list?
I assume cause he’s syn and he lives in the low-middle of readslists
this post and the following post show Nanook saying that Syn is typically a fairly shiftier player regardless of alightment
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:46 am I’ve never seen syn not get POE’d but he’s a very good town player
...and despite that, Nanook claims that Syn is a very good town player even in POE. To me, Nanook means something along the lines of that when it matter, Syn will show to be town. But, Nanook goes further than that here:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:04 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:02 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:00 am Syn how mad would you be if we towncored you
i would stop posting as revenge and rob you guys of my oversized intellect and solving
That seems like the only appropriate reaction
while obviously they're both joking here, the premise of Nanook's joke is kinda odd. He's floating that he thinks syn could be towncore this game--which means he thinks he looks at least a little townie. But that's a bit of a paradox, like what reason would Nanook ever have to think a shifty player like Syn is probably town?
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:35 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:16 am My reads are the same as they were yesterday

Literally no changes
Gimme the link please, I want to read them
Tim/Mac/nutella/syn/jack/hyena/tsp/thun

Idk if I posted them in one place before and it’s easier to consult my notes anyways
He then goes to put Syn where he belongs, middle low part of reads. But he thinks Syn in townie? That's sus.
Even past that, I feel like Nanook's willingness to post reads here is kinda weird. What I wouldn't had given to get this kind of straight forward interaction from Nanook in Bread Mafia. I also just don't like the sentences that follows his reads list. It just reads off to me. It's the kinda of thing I'd say if I knew something (in this case, the something known is the opaqueness of his reads) but don't want to make a big deal out of it. I think that's kinda apologetic perspective is weird coming from Nanook. Of course, you can play mafia however you want, but the way Nanook is playing feels more like it's for an audience. In terms of baddie intent and agenda--specifically in how he's talks about Syn-- I think he's either trying to pocket Syn, who seems to know him well, or Syn's his teammate.

Got rid of the spoilers cuz i'm lowkey proud of this take

Spoilering it again because it's too big.

Did Nanook say his list was an ordered one? Also, you started this with saying you disagree with hyena's read on Nanook (which is a scumread), but are also drawing associations between Nanook and Syn saying they are scum, although perhaps you're disagree with the content of the read, and not necessarily the alignment. Also, there's a disconnect in saying that avoiding brawls is closer to Nanook's meta, and then stating a reason you suspect him is that he is avoiding conflict.

I disagree with Nanook on Syn and don't see an obvious reason to townread TSP or Jack, but that's a separate concern. Hee ho.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:43 am
Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:59 pm
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:53 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:49 pm @Sloonei
Nanook - I'm gravitating towards scumreading him now. Friendo hasn't engaged me directly at all D1. I feel like he doesn't care about what happens to me in game. He's someone that I believe has a good read on me in general. He wouldn't just sit back and and let me get townread or scumread -- he'd get involved in the discussion, methinks.
Syn - I never got a response to my question. Marmot caught on what I was trying to suggest though. Basically, how I interpreted Syn's post to Tim about him not having a read on me because he hasn't read the game was that Syn has read the game and that he DOES have a read on me. Haven't seen it though.
I TR you and you haven’t been in actual danger so

No need to go hard in your defense

Especially with the claim throwing me off

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:16 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:11 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:06 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:05 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:04 am

given tim's play, pretty good odds
I was somewhat astonished that the answer to "who tilted Nanook" was not "Syn did it."
Idt syn’s ever tilted me
Me neither but he tries constantly and I like to encourage him to think he may be effective someday.

Any idea why Nutella has him so far down the list?
I assume cause he’s syn and he lives in the low-middle of readslists

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:46 am I’ve never seen syn not get POE’d but he’s a very good town player

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:04 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:02 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:00 am Syn how mad would you be if we towncored you
i would stop posting as revenge and rob you guys of my oversized intellect and solving
That seems like the only appropriate reaction

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:35 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:16 am My reads are the same as they were yesterday

Literally no changes
Gimme the link please, I want to read them
Tim/Mac/nutella/syn/jack/hyena/tsp/thun

Idk if I posted them in one place before and it’s easier to consult my notes anyways
I went down a really fun rabbit hole. right now I'm calling it "syn and nanook are teammates and we should vote them, unless they're just really good friends, but still we should chop nanook."

It's a working title.
@Master Radishes keep my name out cha mouth

No one who’s voted me has read any of my iso, I can almost guarantee it

I've not read your full iso, but I have read some of your iso, at one point in time.

I just remember cat associations, and your disappearance after the case came down on cat.

If I have the energy today I'll give it a look, but I dunno if I will.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:34 am Not to pull a tutu but

Is there a point in me trying or naw?

If not I’ll just drop a dope legacy before EOD that will surely get ignored

Lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 am I wanna kill Tedxtr and made the most

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Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:13 am
cat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:26 am
cat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:19 am @cat what is your point in making note of my post count?
I personally don't remember pretty much anything you've done. And you have a lot of posts.
So i thought it would be funny to point it out since you are doing the same thing.
112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:55 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:37 am
112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:35 am I don't think Syn would keep pushing Nute if he was wolfing, so there's that
I don't understand the logic, please elaborate
nute's obvtown
Why? Can you explain their meta? I'd say nutella is uncomfortable in the thread.
How much have you read?
Most of it, but i've skimmed when it got too memey.
I don't think Sloonei and cat are aligned, feels like lack of TMI to ask a partner this question.

I don't really see that, but Sloonei is probably just town anyway.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:53 am and for nutella, i think i flipped my read on wilgy and you may be looking at 2 villagers

don’t really get why there “has” to be one in us two for “chilling” and why it can’t just be like every other syndicate village game where I’ve done ~nothing early on

as for wilgy, i think my case was a bit stretchy upon review

There's been a lot of chilling this game. Apparently your chilling is not the right flavor.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:58 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:51 am Sorry Wilgy

How did everyone go from being super townie to super scummy in a single day?
i feel the opposite lol

It was more of a joke that no one said anything for several days.

catchup first, then to go jog my memory

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:22 am So, I think I kinda want to do this right now:
[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I don't have any good reason for it outside of "hey, let's keep the numbers of the top three wagons close together, because that's always fun!"

This is a pretty good reason, and I recall Made being a good vote.

I don't recall the case on Martin, or have a clue on Nanook

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:07 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:51 am Sorry Wilgy

How did everyone go from being super townie to super scummy in a single day?
Excuse me, but I believe I stayed at the same mild level of scumminess, thank you.

Nah, you're still just 3P.

I'm pretty lost rn. Made what suspicious things did you do again?

Sorry Wilgy

How did everyone go from being super townie to super scummy in a single day?

First

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:25 am this vote spread is fucking disgusting lol, can you mob just coalesce please
Mac has spoken, and is absolutely correct. And coming from me that's really saying something. This "game of champions" looks like something we would put on out in the hinterlands right now. Get off you dingy little vanity wagons and put some meat in your votes!!!

Wot's the difference right now?

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:27 am since tsp and made can't decide I'm going to compromise and have all three in the pool

selected bargain: ability thief

pool: [tsp/kyle/tutuu]

if you have strong feelings you can break the tie by chiming in

Are you still taking applicants?

If not, I vote tutuu

Why are you voting JPIC?

Speaking of vote counts

VC

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Is this VC fig butter? Cuz it sure is a spread.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:19 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:18 am I sorta think you say whatever you want about a counterwagon if you're a wolf
If you're talking about the quote I pulled, I'm pretty sure it came well before either were a wagon.

Yeah, here was the vote count at the time (thanks Michelle).

No votes for either.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:18 am I sorta think you say whatever you want about a counterwagon if you're a wolf

If you're talking about the quote I pulled, I'm pretty sure it came well before either were a wagon.

cat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:35 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:45 pm Yep, Falcon is too stubborn to be scum. Take that with a grain of salt.

Good news, i feel i collected some town reads
Refusing to play the game is a common strat here. He gave reads anyway so it's not like he's that stubborn. GTH mafia. No balls.

Actually, I don't think someone says this about a teammate. Not unless the know each other well.

Do cat and falcon know each other? I'm assuming they don't.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:05 am I didn't get past Day 0 in the Thunal ISO, but she gets the Dizzy seal of approval. Very likely town.

She asked to sub out too (in case you missed it)

Made wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:02 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:01 am
Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:57 pm @Marmot why falcon?

Falcon's vote for cat on Day 1 came without explanation aside from mentioning it took him 5 minutes to iso.

I'd be just as fine voting you for similar reasons.
what about the fact that falcon was the counter wagon? do you think it was w/w?

That would indicate that's the case huh. If falcon/cat are teammates, I guess that means their team didn't have much means of providing a mis-yeet instead?

I know cat voted for falcon, I need to look back into that.

I read falcon's Day 2 and don't feel any better about it

There were 4 posts, but I won't tell you how long it took.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:57 pm @Marmot why falcon?

Falcon's vote for cat on Day 1 came without explanation aside from mentioning it took him 5 minutes to iso.

I'd be just as fine voting you for similar reasons.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:54 pm I haven't read many of Marmot's posts, but I don't think he's been scummy at all really.
I also see scum reads on my floating around. I don't know why yet, but this is wrong.

I'm just going to assume you're master tier wolf and move on.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:54 pm I think we should go no yeet and wait for info.
No, we should go for an info yeet.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:58 pm Also,
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Is this the info yeet your were looking for?

I'm just going to assume there's one scum team unless there's evidence otherwise.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:49 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:47 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:45 pm @Thunal33

hi! really important question. Are you town?
top tier scumhunting
I do it for the people

Are you town?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:04 pm Did tedxtr replace Turnip Head? [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:19 pm I don't think we have Mafia's win con. Do we???

We can probably make a very good guess at a mafia win con.

I see what you're talking about though. Ehhh, that's a stretch.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:17 pm im like 99% sure it just being called "mafia" means there is only one
Oh. That's the site meta?

Unless you're a bastard like me.

cats up...

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:48 pm [imagine big tutuu spinning anime girl gif and big flashy text with sparkles and stuff]

THE MAFIA ARE MARTIN MARMOT DYSLEXICON LONGCON AND TONYSTARKPRIME

[dab]
If Dizzy is scum, I'm just giving up now.
wat

I played two games on PerC recently, he was scum in both, and swept town in both.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:46 pm I can't believe Marmot already asked ted who he is.
wolfchat slip gettem
Yeah LC, why you gotta give us away so easily?
I was supposed to say it. Why do you always do this?

You took too long. There's not even linki to stop you here!

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:48 pm [imagine big tutuu spinning anime girl gif and big flashy text with sparkles and stuff]

THE MAFIA ARE MARTIN MARMOT DYSLEXICON LONGCON AND TONYSTARKPRIME

[dab]

If Dizzy is scum, I'm just giving up now.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:46 pm I can't believe Marmot already asked ted who he is.
wolfchat slip gettem

Yeah LC, why you gotta give us away so easily?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:40 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:26 pm I'm in the middle of ISO'ing Martin, and the most egregious thing I can see thus far are his heavy attempts to defend tutuu.

Continuing reading.
He has TMI on multiple people including Tutuu and Thunal.
Am I understanding you correctly in that you scumread both Tutuu and Martin? Is that the TMI?
You can die too.

Ok

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:38 pm mac / nutella / ted

voltron is assembled, woalves are in shambles

Sorry but, who are you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:26 pm I'm in the middle of ISO'ing Martin, and the most egregious thing I can see thus far are his heavy attempts to defend tutuu.

Continuing reading.
He has TMI on multiple people including Tutuu and Thunal.

Am I understanding you correctly in that you scumread both Tutuu and Martin? Is that the TMI?

I'm in the middle of ISO'ing Martin, and the most egregious thing I can see thus far are his heavy attempts to defend tutuu.

Continuing reading.

(the colors on the falcon wagon are the best btw)

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:17 pm and look at the two mafia br0z on falcon loooool

This is the way

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:05 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:02 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:00 pm I want to chop marmot as well
No one hopped onto Martin with us. That probably means something. I dunno what, but something.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Go forth, friend!

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Where are we going?
ur going to jail for breaking game rules

Apparently self-voting is against the rules so I'm back to [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Ok clearly I missed something on Martin, I'm just gonna keep catching up for now.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:02 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:00 pm I want to chop marmot as well
No one hopped onto Martin with us. That probably means something. I dunno what, but something.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Go forth, friend!

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Where are we going?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:51 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:30 pm is there realistically a point in me trying? am i wrong in my read that the majority of people on my wagon are too tunneled and are not very likely to have the ability to get themselves out of their wrong tunnels?
i have had moments of considering worlds where you are town but you keep making posts like this
there is nothing wrong with it, you are prone to death tunneling and lack the ability to escape on it on your own unless you choose to sheep someone telling u otherwise
"is there a point in me trying" is not a town perspective imo (look i did it i said imo)

if you're town you should try to keep solving outside of being pressured and figure out who is the mafia taking advantage of the push etc etc

if you're mafia just getting caught here you may just give up

Mostly yes.

But I did just finish a game where I said that as town.

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