The Syndicate

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:05 pm im slightly upset than that marmot is wasting his vote on me rn rather than voting Alison, i found it odd he isnt, maybe he doesnt want too eliminate a possible pairing early aka him and alison early on as scum which would be smart and kinda explains the vote on me more.

This is actually why im voting you lol, expressing sadness to get others to do a thing you want them to do.

You did the same thing when you expressed sadness to falcon because he hasn't changed his pfp.

You also did it when you used sad panda emotes to get nook to work with you

It's a form of AtE that is perfectly acceptable, but imo manipulative.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is no fucking way you are scumreading me in good faith for making bold claims and arguing them to the bitter end. You have interacted with me in politics chat, mafia spectator chat, and within mafia games. I have never once backed down on a position or accepted anything other than cold absolutism. It is simply unbelievable for you to think it is >rand wolf for me to tell Wilgy he does not know what ego is.
Good point, you do it in spec chat. I don't recall if you do it as town or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think specifically the point that "wilgy doesn't know what ego is" is the poor logic jump you made in your original post. It's probably wrong, and even if it's right, Wilgy making one inaccurate observation about your ego isn't sufficient to make that claim. That's the point I still have a qualm with.
He made an observation that would only be coherent if he did not know what efo is. Simple as.

Hard disagree

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is no fucking way you are scumreading me in good faith for making bold claims and arguing them to the bitter end. You have interacted with me in politics chat, mafia spectator chat, and within mafia games. I have never once backed down on a position or accepted anything other than cold absolutism. It is simply unbelievable for you to think it is >rand wolf for me to tell Wilgy he does not know what ego is.

Good point, you do it in spec chat. I don't recall if you do it as town or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think specifically the point that "wilgy doesn't know what ego is" is the poor logic jump you made in your original post. It's probably wrong, and even if it's right, Wilgy making one inaccurate observation about your ego isn't sufficient to make that claim. That's the point I still have a qualm with.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: misssparkles] aubergine

I miss you and you be woofin
Why?

Why not?

[VOTE: misssparkles] aubergine

I miss you and you be woofin

Nanook calling two people scum and 8 people null, yet here he is voting a null

Coward!

Lmao lucy

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:03 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:02 pm This might sound sarcastic, but it isn't.

This is a good use of selective phrasing to make your statement sound kind while also getting your exact point across.
My point was that I didn't understand your post. No selective phrasing was involved. You might be reading too much into what I am saying.

I'd already explained it before you'd said this. This was just am aside

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:01 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:00 pm I could have an incorrect take on your meta Alison, but the first thing that comes to mind when seeing this argument with Wilgy play out is that mountainous game a few months ago where Sean argued with you on Day 1 with you before you flipped scum, and when I went back to compare metas, the whole argument from you was pretty bad, and probably not one you believed, but you didn't back off.

You might do this as town too. Don't have time to cross reference now though
I believe my arguments. What makes you think I don't believe them?

You told Wilgy that he doesn't know what ego is. I think it's a bold claim to say that someone doesn't know what ego is. I'd bet Wilgy does

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:51 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:06 pm I don't know what to make of this.

I don't think a town makes this play, there's never a need for it outside of ego. I do think a wolf attempts it trying to squeeze by following. Ye old thunderdome into "oh, me?"

A wolf all in this early though? Clever if the play is to widdle down the dome later and by presenting it early you can get out.
Yeah, a town Alison has never thunderdomed someone on page 3 before. That would be incredibly out of character. Normally she plays so passively in the early game. Hmm.

Have you considered that I am just a townie with a confident read? Why does there need to be ego involved?
Passive, no, but I'd expect you to bury Falcon, not establish a policy. Your question asking about my considerations is also faulty in that clearly in the post above I do so.

This however, I lean towards the replication of Ego. I did try to learn you last game going through your ISO twice just yesterday. There are immediate differences, I think.
I have never made an egoistical play in my entire mafia career. You don't know what ego is. It is not just having a confident read.

I have already buried Falcon. Now I am just getting others on board. You are weirdly reluctant to accept the policy of simply killing me if I am wrong on falcon. Why?
This is forum mafia, not LoL solo queue

Taking this argument to the point of saying that Wilgy doesn't know what ego is is rand scum for you imo, in that when you make a take, you argue it to the end, regardless of how you get there or the solidity of the take.
No offense but I have no idea what you are trying to say in any of these sentences. Please rephrase.

This might sound sarcastic, but it isn't.

This is a good use of selective phrasing to make your statement sound kind while also getting your exact point across.

I could have an incorrect take on your meta Alison, but the first thing that comes to mind when seeing this argument with Wilgy play out is that mountainous game a few months ago where Sean argued with you on Day 1 with you before you flipped scum, and when I went back to compare metas, the whole argument from you was pretty bad, and probably not one you believed, but you didn't back off.

You might do this as town too. Don't have time to cross reference now though

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:06 pm I don't know what to make of this.

I don't think a town makes this play, there's never a need for it outside of ego. I do think a wolf attempts it trying to squeeze by following. Ye old thunderdome into "oh, me?"

A wolf all in this early though? Clever if the play is to widdle down the dome later and by presenting it early you can get out.
Yeah, a town Alison has never thunderdomed someone on page 3 before. That would be incredibly out of character. Normally she plays so passively in the early game. Hmm.

Have you considered that I am just a townie with a confident read? Why does there need to be ego involved?
Passive, no, but I'd expect you to bury Falcon, not establish a policy. Your question asking about my considerations is also faulty in that clearly in the post above I do so.

This however, I lean towards the replication of Ego. I did try to learn you last game going through your ISO twice just yesterday. There are immediate differences, I think.
I have never made an egoistical play in my entire mafia career. You don't know what ego is. It is not just having a confident read.

I have already buried Falcon. Now I am just getting others on board. You are weirdly reluctant to accept the policy of simply killing me if I am wrong on falcon. Why?

This is forum mafia, not LoL solo queue

Taking this argument to the point of saying that Wilgy doesn't know what ego is is rand scum for you imo, in that when you make a take, you argue it to the end, regardless of how you get there or the solidity of the take.

Hee ho

I don't really have an opinion on Alison yet. I've seen her enter a game once before shitposting, and she was flipped scum Day 1 for it. I'd be a little surprised if she did it again. Not enough content to tr though.

Off to therapy, see you nerdz later

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Esooa will probably be very displeased to enter and see a wagon on her

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 pm Marmot has started to kind of settle into what I perceive as town mode. That he's paying additional attention, compared to others, to the nuance of what I am doing while taking care with his treatment of that nuance (e.g., here and expanded in 168) is about what I would anticipate. Marmot is slowly turning into Sloonei.

Uh oh

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:21 pm I'm not hyperposting or top posting. I'm confirmed scum.

That's how yall sounds judging both Falcon and Wilgz based off posting numbers

I've played with them for years. I've only played one (maybe two) games with you tbf

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:12 pm Why do I have the second most posts, I was supposed to slank lol
Why did you ask for a post cap. I have to slank because I can't hyperpostn

I was protecting you

Spoiler: show

More seriously, the last mountainous game I played, someone 300 posted on Day 1, and multiple others 200 posted. I didn't want that

Why do I have the second most posts, I was supposed to slank lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:33 am Wilgy, it would be a dream come true for me if you were to receive a town role card in this game and then decide to just strangle the thread with your bare hands in a fit of vengeance for past mischops and recent quickhammers. Bare your teeth, boo.

This particular post from you Jay is the kind I would expect to see from scum Jay (and yes, also from town jay in some capacity). You've bolstered Wilgy up, but in a manner that might imbue confidence in him, which is exactly what you would want to do if you expect wilgy to be looking in all the wrong places for wolves (potentially with your help).

Unlike my point on nanook, I still think there's reasonable argument that you could be town, though I am wary.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:02 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:01 pm I think everyone posting right now has shown at least flashes of towniness, though I think nanook's and Jay's would be the easiest to fake.
water the most-easily-faked town flashes that you have observed from the two of us

Nanook saw one person townreading another, called them both scum, then started sheeping his strongest townread

He also ignored my :/ reaction (minor point)

Actually that doesn't look very townie lol

Falcon dropping deep takes

I think everyone posting right now has shown at least flashes of towniness, though I think nanook's and Jay's would be the easiest to fake.

Don't want to kill any of you yet though

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:55 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:52 am Esooa's the new wagon nerdz

Sabie where'd you go?!
Why Esooa over Lucy? We do need to keep this game from becoming erotic after all.

I've played with Lucy recently, haven't seen esooa in ages.

Why did you vote esooa?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:53 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:51 am Falcon isn't lock town, but he's definitely more townie than not.

I find the contrast between him here and Gym Class amusing more than I find it AI btw
What's more amusing is the game that ended yesterday with falcon

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2402

Falcon wins every game it seems. I haven't checked the spreadsheet in a sec, but I believe this puts his overall Syndicate win % above Jay's

Esooa's the new wagon nerdz

Sabie where'd you go?!

Falcon isn't lock town, but he's definitely more townie than not.

I find the contrast between him here and Gym Class amusing more than I find it AI btw

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:45 am I appreciate that Sabi is giving less credit for the things we're giving everyone way too much credit for

Then again, based on my last game with falcon, him even posting text is actually a towntell :wowee:
What was our last game together?

Gym Class

This was your iso and you made it to Day 5 lol.

I appreciate that Sabi is giving less credit for the things we're giving everyone way too much credit for

Then again, based on my last game with falcon, him even posting text is actually a towntell :wowee:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:40 am Ty for the takes. I agree.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:24 am Wilgy: I think jjj and Sabi are town

Nook: I think jjj and Sabi are scum, also wigly town

(I infer that nooks wilgy read is a townread)

:/
I raised the subject as this was the 2nd thing that I assessed as off.

Too early for the :/ face. That's like a day 2 post flip on a town yeet you really wanted to sheep reaction.

:/ didn't properly convey what I though about it but I was too lazy to find a better emoji

More of a thonk

First gay claim is always town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:40 am *casts a ballot for Mayor Wilgy*

Eats ballot

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:37 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:34 am Jay, however, what do you make of Marmot?
Jay what do you make of Marmot?
However, Jay, what do you, however, make of Marmot's however?

And, however, to add to this thought, moreover Jay, however, whatever do you make of however Marmot is, however.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:34 am Jay, however, what do you make of Marmot?

Jay what do you make of Marmot?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:33 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:32 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:30 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:29 am Nook did you say the wilgy thing in this game or another game?
I said it in Jay's game that ended a few days ago

Although I did also just say it here too lol
I was weirded out by you using the word "shield" on someone 12 hours into Day 1 (and someone who is mostly townread already), but if that happened in another game, that makes more sense.

Carry on
I was talking about the other game, where I shielded him

Not this game

Understood yeah, that's why I was asking

Wait, it's only 3 hours into day 1

Doesn't matter

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:30 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:29 am Nook did you say the wilgy thing in this game or another game?
I said it in Jay's game that ended a few days ago

Although I did also just say it here too lol

I was weirded out by you using the word "shield" on someone 12 hours into Day 1 (and someone who is mostly townread already), but if that happened in another game, that makes more sense.

Carry on

Nook did you say the wilgy thing in this game or another game?

Please don't tr me yet, I wanted to rand scum

Wilgy: I think jjj and Sabi are town

Nook: I think jjj and Sabi are scum, also wigly town

(I infer that nooks wilgy read is a townread)

:/

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:11 am I'm polarized.

Alison is still extremely off in tone.

And I figured she wasn't European and American. Close enough

Nice

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:19 am So, do correct me if I'm wrong,

Sabi has one (1) w read in Alison.

JJJ has two (2) town reads in Sabi and I.

Marmot has one (1) town read on me (Woog).

And Nook is jester.

Marmot has two (2) townreads k

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

Hi good to see you again where you at?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:15 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:14 am I've seen variations of w!Wilgy but not this one

He's a Bluey birthday cake (aka town)
I have rolled town like 12 games in a row. Perhaps my W has died and been reborn?

The mafia gods are telling you to wolfside as town

Don't listen to them!

I've seen variations of w!Wilgy but not this one

He's a Bluey birthday cake (aka town)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:10 am DrWilgy leads this game in posts.
Oh, no worries. I'll have fun trying to break rvs.

Will fall behind.

Struggle to catch up for a week.

throw game in f3.

Bet.

I'll tell me teammate not to kill you

Jay has left rvs

He saw your post wilgy and started quaking in his cowboy briefs

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Sheepin'

(Falcon town btw)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:01 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:00 am Mac told to use this as practice for Champs so I'm going to practice what not to do in Champs

I peed my (kyle's) pants
Ew

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

My mom told me I would be ok but I was playing hide and seek and nobody found me and and I stayed hiding and that was yesterday afternoon and I think I missed the cake

Mac told to use this as practice for Champs so I'm going to practice what not to do in Champs

I peed my (kyle's) pants

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