The Syndicate

I think interesting is an equivocal word choice when you could say something like "telling" or "useful" or "game-breaking" or what-have-you.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:06 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:00 pm Well thats your opinion and stuff, but it doesn't make me wolfy. Remember that after I said I wanted to cop check Alison, I also voted Alison. You can disagree with the philosophy, you can disagree with the line of thinking, but you cannot add "opportunism" to it since it is coherent with how I played with my own cop check.

I most certainly can call it that. First of all, translating a hypothetical cop check to "let's kill them" is not a sensible premise in the first place. Second of all, the vote that counts was on DrWilgy.

Well then, I still don't think it is opportunistic. I have not blamed you for it. It was one of the reasons why I thought it would be interesting to flip Wilgy tbh.
What I tried to point out there is that my thought progression is coherent and not random desperate plays. There is thought and reason behind my posts, that is what I am trying to say about my Alison vote. Not just that I suddenly thought "oh yeh lets vote Wilgy's because JJJ said this".

It would be "interesting" to flip Wilgy?

Post #4000 hype!!!

I need to go do some other things for a bit.

My plan when I return is to review Boq and Alison.

It is true that Alison, Ender, and myself are the strongest proponents of flashwagons in this game.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:20 pm @Alison Would very much like your thoughts on Jimmay and Creature in particular

I gave them in some detail before the break; I have JJJ in my immediate POE and a comfortable townread on Creature.

@Dyslexicon

I have also expressed concern about JJJ over the last day or so, and am voting for him atm.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy

Ender (although my view of Alison is changing in this moment)
JJJ
Boq
lucy

Did you pick these groups for any particular reason?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:55 am Jimmay is really only receiving heat from me and Ender tbh

Alison as well, I think in part for the Ender/JJJ interaction that she called wolf theater.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:52 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

I didn’t create the grouping. I’m just making a concerted effort to talk about what the group is discussing that isn’t just about me, and since I was asked about jay and boq it seemed relevant to talk about them as a trio since I heard that group mentioned

Have you stated an opinion on Alison? If not, do you have one?

Boq is receiving heat toom just not as much.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:38 am If we flip town today, we probably lose. Especially if it's Jimmay and he is town.

Another pairing I could easily see is Alison/Creature. Someone look into this if you feel inspired.

All due respect my dear, but fuck that.

If I get offed today, then town better triple its efforts when I am gone. Getting mischopped is plenty irritating, but it's not even close to watching the thread pitter off into a demoralized sloth from spec chat. If I die, it's everyone's responsibility to carry my banner onward and try your best to win town the game.

I didn’t say I wouldn’t try.

What do you think of town’s chances of winning rn?

100%

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:38 am Oh nice I am over 3k posts and 500 in this thread. So this threadis 1/6th of my gameplay

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:34 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:32 am @Marmot am I in my scum range?

TBD

What are you waiting for

Fleabag

I'll read your observation of Boq, Jay, and see if I agree.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:32 am @Marmot am I in my scum range?

TBD

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:30 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:29 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am @JaggedJimmyJay gamestate read plz

Bad. Probably terrible.

Tell me about Boquise please.

Boq Choi

Please answer me.

I read his anticipation of how Day 2 would pan out with regard to how wolves would handle me as a townie observation, but I don't really have much else to say about him. Lazy townread.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:29 am Ugh I can pair Ender/Dizzy but I havent factored in Marmot

We are literally the wolves who are competing to pocket each other more than the other.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am @JaggedJimmyJay gamestate read plz

Bad. Probably terrible.

Tell me about Boquise please.

Boq Choi

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:24 am I have to go

Pet a cat for me!

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:23 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:22 am I agree with Dizzy that we feel closer to catching a wolf today than before, but looking at the wagons, I lose some of that confidence. We're spread very thin right now, and I honestly don't think Jay will go over today, which means his wagon might disperse to who knows where.

Anyway, votes look very spread, and that feels like a bad thing.

Consolidate on Jay with us.

Then it won't.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Jay buddied anyone??

Jay buddied BoQ?

I agree with Dizzy that we feel closer to catching a wolf today than before, but looking at the wagons, I lose some of that confidence. We're spread very thin right now, and I honestly don't think Jay will go over today, which means his wagon might disperse to who knows where.

Anyway, votes look very spread, and that feels like a bad thing.

Dizzy does too like being scum

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:17 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am I've also reread Dizzy and I'm actually pretty comfortable with calling him town.

more words pls
Why?

u 1st

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:10 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.

I'd appreciate if you could expand on your current views of Marmot and I. I think you've already been asked about Marmot, so if you answer them consider that answering me about him.

Marmot feels like my knight in shining armour this game; sole voice come to defend me against the masses. I don’t think I have the capability to suspect him at this point since he is saving me from my frustration.

You, I’ve long town read. I appreciate the paranoid suspicion on you at this point, and feel it some as I’ve expected you to get the night kill twice now and haven’t. But that isn’t strong enough reason to vote imo.

Who are you leaning toward voting right now aside from yourself?

Also, do you have a recent town game that features a high volume of posts like this one?

Creature

Dunno. Maybe? I try and avoid larger games for this reason. Can’t keep up.
Also my memory is worse in my old age, so I forget about games all the time.

Why Creature?

I'm trying to get a comparison between you and other recent games. While I don't think you look like the meta you've showed in Fargo or Mafia the Syndicate Normal Game (both scum games). I just looked at Veggie Tales (a town game), and you did seem more invested in that game. But one caveat is that at this point in that game, there were only 900 posts, compared to the approaching 4,000 here, so I assume keeping up might be easier.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am Ehhhhhhhhhhh.

Rondo town.

Dizzy town.

Dare I sponge the Marmot town?

Get that sponge away from meeeeeeeee

@JaggedJimmyJay gamestate read plz

It's funny that Dizzy think's he is more in his scum range now than Days 1-2. I think the opposite is true.

Here Dizzy, have a cat to pet

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.

I'd appreciate if you could expand on your current views of Marmot and I. I think you've already been asked about Marmot, so if you answer them consider that answering me about him.

Marmot feels like my knight in shining armour this game; sole voice come to defend me against the masses. I don’t think I have the capability to suspect him at this point since he is saving me from my frustration.

You, I’ve long town read. I appreciate the paranoid suspicion on you at this point, and feel it some as I’ve expected you to get the night kill twice now and haven’t. But that isn’t strong enough reason to vote imo.

Who are you leaning toward voting right now aside from yourself?

Also, do you have a recent town game that features a high volume of posts like this one?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?

Is this to me?

He’s always stuck me as a fun, quirky kind of player. People like that can be difficult to read because playstyle makes it seem like they aren’t paying attention or can attract votes
I think the last game I played with Wilgy and voted him, he was town. Similarly last I defended him he was mafia.
Both recently iirc. I have 0 confidence in my ability to read him

I was asking Rondo, but that's a fair assumption.

I feel like this is yet another game where I've wrongly read Wilgy, after a string of several games of being correct (and probably being overconfident)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am "I'll stop my Marmot tinfoil now"

*Contemplates whether I should bother to meta dive to look if Marmot asks a million billion questions more as town or mafia, because holy shit every other post is a question about clarification or explanation*

Would you like some game links?
Town or scum?
Or both perhaps?
Would you like coffee with that?
Do you think it'll help?
Would you have fun?
Have you pet a cat today?
Why'd you drop the paranoia finally?
Why are your reads so AHHHHHHHHH?
What do you think of Rond's lazy read?
Have you played mafia before?
What's your take on determinism?
Can I buy you a coffee?
What do you think of this Day 3 thus far?
Do you feel you're in your scum range?
Do you feel I'm in my scum range?
Do you feel JJJ is in his scum range?
Where do we come from?
Why are we here?
Where do we go when we die?
Is this enough questioning?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?

no

[VOTE: boq ] aubergine

Oh no Ender's gotten to you

Because if you actually go read the post I liked that made me laugh in the context of the page its a perfectly fine reason to like Dizzy

Can you point me to the post?

Why not?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?

no

[VOTE: boq ] aubergine

Oh no Ender's gotten to you

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:48 am ALSO I PASSED ALL MY AP TESTS

Cat!

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 am I’m still around. Been skimming and trying to get past the mafia fatigue and find the desire to post.

I need to do some rereading, because I don’t feel good about anyone but Marmot right now. But I need time to read and that won’t happen so

I think the Jay suspicion has some points to it, but not sure. Might just be some paranoia there. I don’t think I’m ready to abandon my earlier town read there yet and I seriously doubt I’d vote there today.

Why do you feel good about me?

@RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?

Congrats lucy!!!!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:45 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:43 amWhy do I have a high chance of being mafia?

How am I breaking out of my mafia meta?

Because both kills kind of indicates you. You could fit with any of Boq/Alison/Jimmay. Ominous game state things.

Your depth of analysis is good, and you have said specific things I don't expect you to as mafia.

Not much I can do about the former. I understand why you might waffle, but again I think people are putting way too much stock into Mac's comment, which I brought up in the first place.

Also why were you pleading for me to townread you and work with you Dizzy, and then asking why I dropped my paranoia of you when I chose to?

We didn't even have any interaction between those two statements from you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:39 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:34 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:11 pm @Marmot Sometimes I feel you should be at least three times more paranoid of me than you seem to be. What do you think?

Never mind. I don't know why I struggle. Game state, you have a high chance of being mafia. Meta wise, you are breaking out of your meta if you are mafia. Does that make sense?

No not really.

What about it doesn't make sense to you?

Why do I have a high chance of being mafia?

How am I breaking out of my mafia meta?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:16 am Am I the only one seeing Lucy trying to @ seanzie? I can't tell if its a huge dumb tell or a fake dumb tell. I feel like I am constantly insane when reading Lucy's stuff. Someone stop me from tunneling her because I am getting mad

Sean is often reading the thread (which you can see if you scroll to the bottom of the page to see who's viewing), which is what I assume she's referencing.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:01 am go read Kierkegaard @Seanzie

lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:11 pm @Marmot Sometimes I feel you should be at least three times more paranoid of me than you seem to be. What do you think?

Never mind. I don't know why I struggle. Game state, you have a high chance of being mafia. Meta wise, you are breaking out of your meta if you are mafia. Does that make sense?

No not really.