The Syndicate

The only way to heal from GOC 2020 was to roll mafia in the first place

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:59 am I'm hardclaiming SK, but I'll town side

Hello fellow 3p, we should probably unite forces huh

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:53 am There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

It's a bastard game

Let it rand is never fine. I object!!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?
I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?

Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

What if one of them is town and the other is scum?

Actually I can put my finger on it I think. Everyone yellow and above has put consistent effort since the beginning of the game, where as everyone in the orange (exception of perhaps Dolby), has had noticeable gaps in activitiy.

My eyes are drooping, I'm off to bed and will try again tomorrer

It's Day 3 and I haven't made a readlist yet. It probably matches a lot of other people's tbh.

TSP
JJJ

Dizzy
ilario

NAA
Johanna

G-Man
falcon
Dolby
SoA

This solve doesn't feel amazing though for reasons that I can't put my finger on.

I kinda want SoA to talk about someone other than falcon. As far as I can tell, that's his only scumread at this point.

The only other scumreads I can find this game are sig, Lime Coke, and Sloonei. And well, you know the rest.

If SoA is scum, his Day 1 is incredibly well-orchestrated and hard to see as being anything but town, but here's another nitpick.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

This post is interesting because he asks Sloonei, not if sig is town, but if he and sig are both town. Very specific choice of words here that I think is intentional.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:36 am Man this game ain't spicy enough. You all are being way too careful. So ya know what? I'm gonna toss out a spicy take here and get a temp check:

I think Lime Coke's entrance to the thread was relatively safe in a wolf-y way. Man's dropped a townread on Sloonei after Jimmy already said he thought Sloonei was town and then half his explanation, as that nice lass StayPosi pointed out, was about somethin' to do with what Sloonei did after he made the read.

Oh yeah and as far as TSP goes. Well, I think I might be pickin' up what Sloonei is puttin' down here. Originally I was thinking in my head that TSP agreeing and changing his mind was kinda villagery, but now after Sloonei revealed the meta was fake, I'm almost wonderin' if TSP changed his mind to not try to outright disagree with the meta, but discredit it in a way.

Anyways, that's all I got for now. I'm pretty tired and my eyes are drooping... I'll probably still be stalkin' the thread because I'm doing some raids, but won't bother writing more until the morning.

Quick take here. Lime Coke is town and TSP is the current claimed fruit vendor, and these are SoA's first tow voiced suspicions.

This suspicion of TSP is interesting given that SoA had previously claimed watcher per Tony's suggestion.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:20 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:10 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
You say that you like “everyone” on this page, but only comment on 2 of the 4. Do tony and I have good traits?
Yep. Good vibes man, good vibes.
Can you articulate said vibes in a manner similar to what you did for Jay and spf?
Best way I can describe it is that Tony seems like a chump and his setup talk was somethin' I also was thinkin' about before the game and I just found your entrance kinda witty

I smell a jib here.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
What are the chances this is 4 town?

I'd be curious to hear the solve that makes this group of 4 town.

Are you voicing a suspicion of falcon here?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE

Where'd my name go?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:24 pm @Marmot how do you feel about the flood of confident town reads you have received in this game?

I probably deserve it, but it doesn't mean much til we flip wolves.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:56 pm Regardless, if you're both on the same team then starting post game I shall dub you Dyslario.
Can we have that be Dizlario. Feels nicer.

I need a townie soul mate

Yo TSP!

Ok, I've gotta run. Be back later.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:22 pm It might scare people when I say this, but I think it should be said anyway:

One of the biggest benefits of Sloonei being poisoned is that it should help you sort me. Either I'm as town as I look, or I am fleecing Sloonei for the first time in a decade.

The streak is alive.

I haven't said as much, but that's exactly how I've felt tbh. I think I'm willing to die on that hill if both Sloonei and spf trust you and are town.

But I'll give Sloonei 48 hours to change his mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:17 pm Or myself, NAA (he might've had a fruit vendor claim at the time), or you for that matter.
I could see SPF swapping Tony for NAA just by virtue of claim dynamics. In purely logical terms that'd probably be a wise move. I think I'd view NAA as a last resort though. It's still hard to find teammates.

Is that based on his treatment of them, or vice versa, or strictly the composite of the two?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:12 pmI'm also trying to decide if Dizzy is scum who was planning on turboing anyone who cc'd him, but wasn't expecting it to be Sloonei, an already confirmed town.
This makes absolutely no sense lol. Watcher was either outed or had proved they wouldn't cc a fake. I felt that it was safe. I wasn't planning on keeping the claim, just wanted something to happen, and a fight between G-Man and Johanna I thought could be interesting. Felt like I had to start fresh in a way, but I didn't really plan the claim through outside thinking that it was safe enough to do

Fair

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:06 pmIt might help me. I am more willing to listen to that kind of thing than many would be.
Ok. It's about my read on Ilario. This kind of emotional read doesn't exist if I'm mafia, and it's not something I fake. I don't fake and encourage that kind of emotional connection as mafia, especially towards a player that is new to me. I do think that would be kind of... I don't know what word to use, but not like me. It's not that I don't believe it's not within the bounds of the game to do that, but it's just not something I would encourage. I'm averse to thinking he's doing that exact thing to me, although if he does, I'm not mad about it, and it's completely fine in a mafia game. I just think most people wouldn't. So that's that. Unless of course, you think we're both mafia lol. Which would be funny, but we're not.

Also, in general terms, if I'm town, I bring a good energy to the game, and as mafia I can't bring that (and often I actually bring a sour energy to the game that makes the game harder on everyone, though it's not always clear where that energy comes from lol (this some deep self meta for you)). I'd say more, but I think that's enough for now =p

I'm uncertain of what you mean by "an emotional read". Could you explain that a little more, or even point to what you mean if you've explained that already?

To me, it sounds like a townie-mindmeld type of deal, but it seems to have more impact on you than that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:15 pm SPF's teams would have been, at this point, [Dolby, G-Man] + [falcon and/or SoA] + [illario if necessary]. Tony is removed for the fruit vendor claim barring a counter.

I realize SPF isn't infallible, but I trust her judgment and like it as a frame of reference anyway. It's noteworthy that she straight up didn't include Johanna, and I can understand that.

Or myself, NAA (he might've had a fruit vendor claim at the time), or you for that matter.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this mech and the motivations behind each person's choices.

I guess Tony is town and Sloonei is town and Dizzy is who knows what, and we are no longer in a situation where exactly one of Johanna and G-Man is a wolf.

I'm also trying to decide if Dizzy is scum who was planning on turboing anyone who cc'd him, but wasn't expecting it to be Sloonei, an already confirmed town.

I'm leaving in a bit, will process and read back later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:51 pm I am poisoned. I am confirmed town about to die. Why would I lie about being the watcher here?

Sometimes, the only thing people can do when they're staring death in the face is crack jokes.

JJJ is now speaking to himself in the first, second, and third person.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:39 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:24 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:22 pmThis only works if I’m the sleepwalker.
Well, you were seen, so hi
The funny thing about this (if Dizzy is truthful and correct that I am the sleepwalker) is that I was a sleepwalker as a child and teenager. My almost 10-year-old seems to have fallen not far from the tree too…

So we're cooking Jo today?

Wow, did I say Sloonei, I meant Dizzy

cc failed...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:38 pm I’m the watcher. Game is now mountainous.

Watched Dizzy N1. No one targeted him.

Was on TSP last night.

Nah, I gave Sloonei some huckleberries Night 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:35 pm I was thinking Son of Anarch might fit into the Sonny profile from the PerC crossover.
Sonny is my literal twin, so curious what you mean by this =p
Start really strong, get town reads, then from Day 2 onward slow down and fetter off until the early good graces are spent, get chopped, flip mafia.

It's a very good comparison imo. They even have a similar pleasant, vibey nature they bring to the game.

Hype for Dizzy's 7777th post \o/

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:30 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:27 pm I mean, fruit vendor never targets spf, so that's kind of out of the question for me
curious why you think this

Someone said yesterday that the fruit vendor should target suspects only, and I agree with that.
I didn't ask you

And?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:31 pm @Dyslexicon are you still entirely solid on ilario and Son of Anarch? My chief tinfoil is that they're both mafia.
Ilario, yes. Anarch, no. Been thinking about Anarch during the night, and I get the impression his energy and involvement has been declining (though tbh I'm not caught up at all - in the process now)

SoA has been complaining about the post volume, and his involvement was lagging yesterday, yeah.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:30 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:27 pm I mean, fruit vendor never targets spf, so that's kind of out of the question for me
curious why you think this

Someone said yesterday that the fruit vendor should target suspects only, and I agree with that.

Assuming Dizzy is the real watcher, it seems we're left at a point where we must yeet Johanna or G-Man today.

In that same word, knowing Tony's alignment would be really useful to help us discover how mafia may have operated Day 2. If Tony is town, mafia might've believed his claim and played somewhat carefully around Jo/G-Man. If Tony's mafia, then mafia most certainly operated under the impression that they weren't caught.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:22 pm Why does it have to be the two people who didn't post Day 1 that targeted SPF Night 1. That's kinda funny actually.
Makes sense for the scum one I guess

I agree, but the usefulness of the theory falls apart since we can't differentiate the two based on that.

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:27 pm I think figuring out why SPF was chosen might be worth it. He was part of the so called triad but I think other players were more substantive. In other words, I think the wolves might be afraid of SPF specifically?

It's not often that you get to discuss the NK with the NKee.

Mildly interesting observation. Johanna referred to SPF as a he in this post.

Why does it have to be the two people who didn't post Day 1 that targeted SPF Night 1. That's kinda funny actually.

(I don't necessarily believe that right now, but it's a reasonable theory)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:19 pm Maybe there's somehow insight in the fact that mafia didn't believe Tony's claim. I dunno what insight that'd be, but here's a post.

Because Tony is mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:18 pm Nice work Dizzy! Who'd you target last night (if you want to share)?
Sloon or not Sloon

Marmot. Got it.

Nice work Dizzy! Who'd you target last night (if you want to share)?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:08 pm ok but I did actually target sloonei
you've got my best role use vote if so

Agreed, but let's get a win, otherwise the nom is moot.

(and let's not forget spf in Bread Mafia)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:08 pm ok but I did actually target sloonei

Are you just the poisoner and the watcher's playing hush-hush??

I'm glad I can put the Sloonei tinfoil away.

I kinda want @TonyStarkPrime to not reveal his Night 1 results immediately and let the day progress a little first.

My reads could use a complete reboot.

Good reminder that mafia isn't easy

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[vote[Lime Coke[/vote]

/hammer

spf just isn't straight this game. i don't think she's capable of doing what she's doing this game as a straight person. she's cute, she's gay, and she's a queen. i think the plausibility of a straight person actually reaching the gay status that she has in this game is incredibly low, and i think it's telling that the most likely reason JJJ hasn't contested spf being gay is the fact that he can't really approach her comfortably. sure, i suppose she has also been somewhat on the wshe should almost certainly be the first player to say "I'm gay", and if she isn't, maybe you can reconsider at that point. however, spf is just gay. she just is.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:35 pm I’m also ready to vote Lime

Shall we? So you can give your hair some love?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:33 pm I'm ready for SPF to die

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:34 pmLC

They go hand-in-hand.

I'm ready to vote Lime Coke fwiw

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