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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:55 pm
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Oh good, I still have 47 posts after this one.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:46 pmI'm probably not out of scum "range" peeersonally, I'm just far out of scum "meta" lol. I could do what I'm doing as scum, I just wouldn't. If that makes sense.
Anyway, I don't know if Anne and Esooa has argued this.
Or Wilgy, who is my backup.
I think it's true that you're in you're somewhat within scum range, but I'm letting evidence hold my mind steady on you being town unless we're wrong in other places.
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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:41 pm
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But also, everyone's saying "aaah I'm soo townie, this is my town meta I'm literally outside of my scumrange" and I can only believe so many people saying that
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:39 pm
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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:33 pm
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For my own sanity and ego, can you explain why I am suddenly your strongest townread today Dizzy after being borderline scumread yesterday, and why you aren't discussing your read of me with nutella?
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:31 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:58 pm Imagine Jimmay/Mac/Sloonei all rand mafia together and just... implode lol. I can imagine.
I didn't want to say it before esooa flips but...
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:29 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:39 pm Serious question: Does anyone else but Leetic think that iaafr is confirmed? Would be good to know if I can cross him off the list. @nutella
iaafr wouldn't be confirmed if he had received that role specifically, because we wouldn't know he conditions on his role, only that he was a dayvig, but Nanook flipping that role makes it clear it exists, and thus, clears iaafr.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:27 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:22 pmNo, I'm right. You're just miffed cause she got paranoid of you.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:19 pmDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:01 pm Nutella is obv town and I want to take that mischop away please. If I can do anything this game.
I think you might be wrong, but I'm willing to not yeet her today.
This is the new and. confident me. Enjoy.
I think her paranoia of me has developed as a result of being a boxed in wolf, but that's not really a point I want to argue right now. It doesn't feel productive.
I've made other points wert nutella that are less related to me that are probably easier to discuss.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:22 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:27 pmThen bring freaking EVIDENCE to your CLAIMS that the two last mafia is in me/Esooa/Nutella. Because I'm pretty damn sure you're just wrong. And you do not have evidence. You THINKING this is not evidence.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 pmI already said I don't want assertions that something could have happened, instead I want evidence that it did happen. I explained the Jay/anne thing a million times so just look through my ISO.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:10 pmDoes it truly not occur to you that mafia does vote other mafia?
Especially when Anne was the leading wagon at the time.
And Jimmay did not have a good standing in the thread himself.
So to collect cred for a wagon that was already looking to be popular (Anne wagon) or to muddy the water for late game, mafia can vote mafia.
I'm not saying this definitely did happen.
But do you just assume these things never happen? I've seen it happen plenty of times.
You can never have clear evidence in a mafia game. That is the freaking point of the game. If you are town, you DO NOT KNOW. You can guess, but you can never know.
The "evidence" I have is that I think other players in the game is townier than Anne. I know Calexa scum read Anne quite a bit. That is not much, but it's why I consider Anne as possible mafia.
Jimmay voting Anne isn't really relevant to my read on her.
I posted my thoughts on Mac spew. Check my ISO. There has been evidence posted wert nutella and esooa (although I think it clears you), feel free to argue those points.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:19 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:01 pm Nutella is obv town and I want to take that mischop away please. If I can do anything this game.
I think you might be wrong, but I'm willing to not yeet her today.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:16 pm
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oh anne is in this game too
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:12 pm
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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:05 pm
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Yeah, this was my thought given that I was the first person she decided to read through after I started posting analyses.
I get that I had already done 4 other players, but like, I hadn't gotten to Wilgy yet.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:55 pm
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Glimmer reads!
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:43 pm
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@iaafr I'm open to talking about it, I just don't find nutella's progression on Mac very convincing.
But I have to leave for now, going rock climbing will be back this evening.
But I have to leave for now, going rock climbing will be back this evening.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:40 pm
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I don't agree on nutella, sorry.
I'll finish going through mac spew before I come to a solid conclusion, but my current rankings for me are:
Dizzy
Anne
------ large gap --------
nutella
esooa
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:38 pm
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Spoiler: show
Here are Dizzy's interactions/mentions of Mac
Dizzy didn't actually vote for Mac in the end, but his progression and persistence on Mac is too damn convincing and townie. My only concern is that Mac was an expendable slot given that it would kill a townie too, but even then, Dizzy does look like he tried to solve the slot imo.
Based on my read of him here, I stopped going through his ISO, I have him as town now.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:20 pm
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Spoiler: show
Here are Anne's interactions/mentions with Mac.
Anne's take was very specific and kinda counter to what the thread was doing, but her actions were ultimately pro-town, and also despite pushing a different take, her take brought us to the same conclusion, so it's fine.
Her lack of mentioning or looking into Mac Day 1 was a little alarming.
Overall: I want to chop nutella first. If nutella flips wolf, I'm willing to take Anne as town until LYLO. Otherwise, I'll reconsider.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:05 pm
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Spoiler: show
Here's esooa's mentions/interactions with Mac in this game.
I think the worst thing for esooa here is that she made three consecutive takes on Mac that looked like this:
1) Mac's not trying to get townread, so he's probably a wolf
2) Mac sitting around doing nothing comes more from wolf!Mac than town!Mac
3) As wolf he wouldn't like, deter from acting like typical town!mac
Point number 2 came in the midst of giving him a townread anyway. It doesn't look like she's trying to solve his slot at all, more like she's trying to force a townread on him.
My conclusion is that a lot of this, including her final vote, is very partner indicative.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:29 pm
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Spoiler: show
These are the interactions and mentions that nutella had of Mac. There's a couple moments that are ok, but there are moments that look less good for her imo, and despite calling Mac wolf early, she unfortunately faltered on that read down the stretch.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:54 am
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:54 amI didn't read any posts at all but if you and iaafr wanna run the game be my guestnutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:16 ami was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway
he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo
Oh hey, Mac did a similar thing that JJJ did wert nutella/iaafr. Intriguing
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:54 am
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:54 amI didn't read any posts at all but if you and iaafr wanna run the game be my guestnutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:16 ami was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway
he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo
Oh hey, Mac did a similar thing that JJJ did wert nutella/iaafr. Intriguing
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:41 am
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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:26 am
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If ur scum, ur about to get licked wilgy
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:25 am
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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:13 am
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I made other arguments and you poopooed those too
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But yeah I agree, "you are good at mafia" is impossible to defend against.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:12 am
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Oy LC, please don't convey your disagreement like this. I sense desperation creeping in, and I get mafia's hard, but we are currently in an excellent spot.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:09 am
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- Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:27 am
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iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:43 am the way wilgy is super stuck on the jay/nutella/iaafr thing is probably villagery
anne/esooa still makes sense on almost every level other than jay parking on anne
(reiterating once again that if anne was a w wagon its not like the team of afkanne/afkmac/afkjay/actuallyafkslooneid1 couldve really done anything to prevent the wagon from existing without sticking their neck out and risking more associations)
I think several of us have seen that point and feel that it is very well reasoned.
- Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:26 am
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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:21 am it does feel quite a lot like esooa is boxed in - even if she did want to throw in the towel today and give up, i would still expect her to have a scumread or a thought about who the wolves might be or literally ~anything~ other than bitter resignation
She did have one, iaafr beat her to it
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- Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:31 pm
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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:29 pmI believe you, but can someone explain Iaafr clear?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:45 pmIf there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clearDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit
And this shitJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.
iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play onNeither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.
Anyway I like their cooperative vibe
Check leetic's iso, he explained it well.
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:22 pm
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- Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:21 pm
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- Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:20 pm
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- Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:00 pm
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leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:00 pmP1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.
Ooooh, gotcha. K
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:00 pm
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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
I'll leave that to leetic, I'm not entirely sure either.
Claims on their own shouldn't be clearing. Heck, nutella still thinks I have a chance at being scum, despite claiming to break the tie to chop mac
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
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Similar to Jay, I think reading how legitimately people pushed/scumread him is easier, given his clout provides a bit of a barrier
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:46 pm
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They both had to watch JJJ and Mac get chopped in un-unanimous fashion, so we have interactions with them to work with in our favor.
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:45 pm
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iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:37 pm problem with mac cred is he was eminently bussable due to his doomed-by-mech situation
big part of the reason esooa's my top scumread now is
she like bent over backwards to townread mac for unique reasons when
that's kind of what she tends to do with partners as wolf in general (bussable phraze-level teammate caveat)
like the fact that she turned on mac and townsided for the vote wasnt that great a look? its kinda what she had to do to have any win equity as a wolf so i dont think she gets cred for it?
Mac and esooa were members of a 2-party scum team in Fallout 2 Mafia, but esooa was killed Night 1, so that game probably isn't very useful for meta
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:32 pm
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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:30 pmi assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used
well i'm not a hit
when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe
Who's in your primary poe?
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:32 pm
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I think she's scum, in particular the way she came into the thread and defended nutella at the start of Day 2, and then proceeded to wolfread me immediately but waited 12+ hours to provide reasoning for that.
That's my current take, will do some reading to get more info.
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm
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I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"
I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm
I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:25 pm
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It depends on what vanilla means. It's possible that Wilgy would be considered vanillla now I guess since he has no more shots?
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm
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You helped reduce the POE anyway, and I believe we still have wiggle room. 10 players left (ilario/leetic count as 1 here) and 2 wolves to find with probably 6 of those 10 players lock or close to lock town.
That means that we have 2 misyeets to spare. IF that list of 4 is correct, the game is locked.
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:19 pm
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- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:18 pm
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- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:17 pm
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I thought a backup replaces a role that died previously in the game. Was that Jay's roie or what?
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:16 pm
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Did a vig die? I'm confused
- Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:15 pm
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Well that solves one name. RIP NAA