The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:02 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:00 pm I want to chop marmot as well
No one hopped onto Martin with us. That probably means something. I dunno what, but something.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Hi, can I help you?

Why do people want to bake Tutuu now that I'm actually townreading her??

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:55 pm Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.
one between syn and martin

if its syn its because the way he has treated me was super outlandish and in bad faith

if its martin its because he had the opportunity to whiteknight a townie who was getting pushed for no sensible reason and he took advantage of it to look really good after the death

nanook, master radishes and long con are all scummy for hopping on my wagon

master radishes hopped out and is looking towny and that could be a reason for why he's scum

falcon and made should die imo

kylemii should die imo

tony could also be whiteknighting me. he townreads me and syn and martin, all 3 of us. but i cant read tsp

dizzy could be maf

i think thats it

Did MR replace out?

I agree on most of these takes. Namely the ones not including Martin, Tony, and Nanook. I townlean Martin and have no opinion on the other two.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:28 am tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.
I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

That's a good point.

The two times I've seen tutuu as mafia, she did take a hard stance on the two teamates she had baked: Syn in one game she hard defended, and Alison in another game she hard bussed (on the day Alison was baked).

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:26 pm martingg99

macdougall

both start with an m

one of these two players is a very good player and the other player has jumped the shark. im not saying which

I'll just pretend I'm not here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:26 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:50 pm ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.
This is not a town mindset

Sure... But neither is asking for closed nights, but I'm doing that too.

Or maybe it is town mindset. I dunno. It's definitely a sanity mindset.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:18 pm So the "falcon wagon" was always there, just sitting empty at the time?

My vote was going to falcon or Made to start the day, I just hadn't checked in yet.

After yesterday, having video mafia and a game on PerC where the scum-Dizzy team obliterated us town just ended, I needed the night off.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:49 pm Btw, has anyone done cat analyses yet? I'll start there and/or iso him myself.
Honestly I don't think its worth reading into it for me

because if it is a big mafia team then there could be good arguments for both trying to push and trying to protect cat as being scum

and I think the nuances of that could be confused for the wrong alignment especially in such a big game where even I wouldn't be surprised if at least one town had some bad interaction

at the very least I hope to find something independently scummy and not just "Oh they had X interaction with person with Y flip, therefore they must be evil/scum/mafia!"

Well, falcon fits the mold for both.

I still think it's worth looking into. Yes we could be wrong and hit townies, but we run that risk regardless of our strategy.

Fwiw, in Shadow Corridors, we did desperately try to protect JackofHearts from going down, with no success. But you are right. Despite my late vote for the counterwagon (NIK), I was never really sussed for it. I had a good reason to vote NIK, but I had no defense for Jack aside from "he's just town guys, don't bake him".

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:03 pm not to mention there was that big shadow corridors game where mafia was down to 1 player after losing quite a few players in the first few day phases

and they won

so I could see that as like inspiration to the mafia team and not be so protective in the early game especially if they have players to spare

then again one could argue that the silencing ability was really important to the mafia ability and therefore they should've or likely defended Cat on d1

etc etc etc

Btw, has anyone done cat analyses yet? I'll start there and/or iso him myself.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:22 pm everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good
Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!
Personally I'm single and I'm prepared for the possibility of being single for the rest of my life if need be.

Not that I don't desire any deep relationships, but the current select & few friendships I have outside of FM is something I look forward to for the rest of my life. I think one can lead a purposeful life by simply supporting their friends in meaningful relationships and being a member of society.

I also have a small group of wonderful friend, although sexy sex is a wonderful addition to life, so personally I'd prefer to not be perma-single :P

I read the last page and don't have any context yet.

Off to read more posts

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:30 pm nope, why would i be?

I looked at the VC and you had greater than -5.

Town Tutuu should always have -5 votes.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:45 am btw if this pattern of 1 kill per day (yeet) and 1 kill per night continues this game will last potentially until day 13 which will be f3

3 days for a day/night cycle so this could make this game last more than a month and it will end in around the middle of march

That sounds delightful!

Unless we lose, then this sounds painful.

Let's just end it today.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:25 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:01 am Probably going to continue to do so tbh

My thoughts exactly.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:11 am Just so you know why I'm not here, I don't have time to play the game now and I'm being replaced.

We'll miss you!

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:41 am So Kyle is self-silencing in order to charge up a role?

If he's not evil, then why would the scum team allow this? Surely it would be something harmful to them.

Moreover, why would a town Kyle assume that he's safe to just announce it? Wouldn't a safer plan be to just *be silenced*? Like Sloonei purportedly is?

Silencer role is dead, it was a scum role. But Kyle announced his thing on Day 1, before cat was yeeted. I only just now found out about Kyle's charge-up punch, but just how foregone was the conclusion that cat was going down at the time he announced?

Maybe scum-Kyle realized he couldn't hide behind a silencing role in order to charge his ability, and chose to announce it instead when he knew cat was going down.

Then the theorized Universal Backup used the silence on Sloonei... this would have been a surprise to the scum team, or else they could have used that as an excuse why Kyle was silent on Day 2, and he could have kept it secret.

All in all, why isn't Kyle dead if he's a villager claiming a powerful role?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

For this exact reason?

I dunno, dya dying suggests that the scum were targeting hunting threats as opposed to role-threats. Unless dya happened to hint at something (I don't recall).

Also, what did Kyle claim?

Ah, Tutuu answered, I'll look.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:49 am
Spoiler: show
Found this post in Syn's Iso and read few posts after
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:50 pm ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.
U optimist
hi tutuu

you stand accused of being a cute wittle cuddly wuddly wolf

how do you plead
"cute wittle cuddly wuddly wolf"
look at this name
This question received an answer quoted below.
Are you happy with it?
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:56 am [VOTE: DrWoogerz ] aubergine
Ted is playing with players names, noted
Not really AI but funny. Though, a relaxed approach is rather villagery
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:56 am cat being mafia silencer

Someone silencing sloonei who i think is town

Kyle saying he will be silenced so he can power up his role

This is too much townies getting silenced, i think Kyle is mafia
One of the few times I nodded reading a tutuu post this game
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:03 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:50 pm ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.
U optimist
hi tutuu

you stand accused of being a cute wittle cuddly wuddly wolf

how do you plead
Hi synnie!

Im not that cute...

Im also obvious town

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:08 am With that said ted is super scummy imo

U shouldnt underestimate his tone as wolf

He is a better wolf as town imo

Cant rly argument myself its just gut. I want ted dead
Ted is a better townie, just saying

Did you conclude anything here? Not sure if you're catching up, or are commenting on a series of posts (they don't look related to me)

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:22 pm everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good
Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Tutuu are you actually marphia this game?

What'd I miss? It seems there's only 900 new posts. Nbd

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:22 pm everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:11 pm cat was Chuck Schumer, Mafia.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:59 pm Can we talk overnight?

Plz noooo

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:51 pm Ah, I understand now

Made is a reasonable first guess.

I think falcon should be considered (regardless of flip). I know they're voting each other, but falcon voting cat after reading his iso doesn't sit well with me. Yes it could be self-prez, and yes the ISO thing was a joke, but he still mentioned it as if that was a reason for voting there.

More research needed for other parties.

Ah, I understand now

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:50 pm oh wait you are talking about cat's vote themself not falcon's vote lmao nvm i did not follow this entire exchange dont mind me

Yeah, although it doesn't really matter when cat voted in terms of calling falcon's vote a self-prez vote.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.
No.

You aren't correct.
My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.

What about when falcon voted though? I thought cat's wagon has been the leading one for a decent period of time.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is

I did say "otherwise".

You didn't have anything to say about your vote, you just dropped it and moved on. That's my qualm here.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
With the right context that was actually pretty funny.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:35 pm Idk about marmot either, I haven't really made a judgment on him either.

When did 112 turn me into a wagon?

Made wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:36 am Probably gonna hit 100 pages before the end of day 1. Damn

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:15 pm Are we going to get to page 100 before n1?

sweet.

Sorry Wilgy, Made called it well before you did.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:26 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:04 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip
Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)
Reading/lightly skimming the first two

I think that's a satisfactory case and I don't see much or any of a counter argument to it unless we start conjecturing some things of what Cat must've been thinking but never said in a towny light.

I'm not sold on Made though; I've seen (and quite frankly experienced) towns being portrayed as partners to someone as the sole explicit reason of being scum and then getting mischopped for it.

Actually, where is Made?
i was just wondering this

He's made (hehehe) 3 posts since Mac made (teehee) his case.

@Made where you at?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:04 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip
Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)
Reading/lightly skimming the first two

I think that's a satisfactory case and I don't see much or any of a counter argument to it unless we start conjecturing some things of what Cat must've been thinking but never said in a towny light.

I'm not sold on Made though; I've seen (and quite frankly experienced) towns being portrayed as partners to someone as the sole explicit reason of being scum and then getting mischopped for it.

Actually, where is Made?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:24 pm yoooo I did a really tricky thing in excel for work and it worked and i feel so satisfied rn i am spreadsheet wizard

I've been having a lot of fun with excel (Google Sheets) lately tooo

Cat's ISO looks meh. Their earlier posts don't look great, particularly the one where Sloonei asked for their reads. Their response to the case from Mac (and others) looked better. But they didn't really leave much of a legacy aside from Sloonei grilling them for reads.

I'm also happy voting falcon.

I will not be voting for Thunal though. The overtly formal nature of their approach being a sign of scum is a read I disagree with.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:11 pm I don't really suspect falcon... so [VOTE: falcon] aubergine is probably a safe bet.

After Nanook is a Bastard this is how I should play the game

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:39 pm well... in my opinion these types of reads work when you know the person well and youre noticing small stuff like this

i dont believe youve played with dyachei before, and in my experience i have seen towns use the words they used, its not a scumtell, and while dya could be scum i think applying this read on them will have random accuracy

i ... was trying to say that in the most kind and respectful way, maybe i overdid it and came across as too condescending, not the intent, but, when i see types of reads that wont land well from my experience i will speak up about it since its in my interest to do so!

Sure. The response I got from you and nutella was "dya is just town", so I'll just accept that for now. It was a thing that I noticed that I pointed out, but I do appreciate the response.

Dismissing might not have been the right word for me to use, but it did feel like something in that ballpark. And despite my assertion that word usage is a useful tool, I'll admit that I'm not the best with using the right words in the right era.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:41 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:23 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:01 pm it feels manipulative when I spell it all out for you?

you guys must think I'm the worst wolf lmao
It's the wording of it. The manner of saying "I want to these to be the top two wagons" instead of something like "These are my preferred votes".

I can't say I've ever played with you, so I don't know your wolfing capabilities (but you're in the GoC, so I assume they aren't the worst)
this is a towny thought from marmot, very towny. i dont think that it will be fruitful for u to scumread people off of these small choices of word expression though, u could if u want to but i dont think it will be fruitful
Um tutuu, are you dismissing me?
you asked me to not respond but i cant not respond, i dont understand why

dismissal is a negative word, i dont view me challenging your read as something thats negative

I disagree about word usage and expression, I think that is a great way to catch mafia. I mean, I'm not very good at catching mafia, but I've had more recent success in this way.

Maybe I misunderstood your tone, but it didn't feel like a challenge. I thought you were saying "Yes Marmot, good try, but it's wrong, go try again". Were you implying something else?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:35 pm it doesn't say in the rules that the thread will be closed during the night, does that mean it won't be or is it just such a common thing now that it doesn't bear mentioning

I don't know if I can keep up if the thread stays open

Marmot => Cat => Goose

All still good names for a dog

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:28 pm dya wolf-swept the semifinal game also ftr theyre a fantastic woofer

Woooooow

This game really has turned out the best of the best.

Congrats dya, that's really amazing!

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:17 pm (but you're in the GoC, so I assume they aren't the worst)
you do know I'm in this game right

I also just remembered that dya is a cat and that gif was semi-appropriate

Don't answer if it's the former, only answer if it's the latter please.

Or is dya your mason/mafia buddy?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:01 pm it feels manipulative when I spell it all out for you?

you guys must think I'm the worst wolf lmao
It's the wording of it. The manner of saying "I want to these to be the top two wagons" instead of something like "These are my preferred votes".

I can't say I've ever played with you, so I don't know your wolfing capabilities (but you're in the GoC, so I assume they aren't the worst)
this is a towny thought from marmot, very towny. i dont think that it will be fruitful for u to scumread people off of these small choices of word expression though, u could if u want to but i dont think it will be fruitful

Um tutuu, are you dismissing me?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:07 pm @Long Con best not be leaving his vote where it is. @falcon45ca too. you crazy canadians.
I have to be crazy to live where I live...it was -55 Celsius with the windchill yesterday.

Today is only -28, so I'm not wearing any pants. 'Natch
The lowest natural temperature ever directly recorded at ground level on Earth is −89.2 °C (−128.6 °F; 184.0 K) at the Soviet Vostok Station in Antarctica on 21 July 1983 by ground measurements.

global warming my ass

One of the few remaining busts of Lenin is also located at a Russian station in Antarctica, specifically at the pole of inaccessibility.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:01 pm it feels manipulative when I spell it all out for you?

you guys must think I'm the worst wolf lmao

It's the wording of it. The manner of saying "I want to these to be the top two wagons" instead of something like "These are my preferred votes".

I can't say I've ever played with you, so I don't know your wolfing capabilities (but you're in the GoC, so I assume they aren't the worst)

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:43 pm
Spoiler: show
@dyachei

Alison - claimed 3p, also unkillable and immune to yeeting after day 1 since she can redirect all night actions and all votes towards the person she made a contract with. so putting her aside

tutuu
Michelle - her reactions to getting pushed and a bunch of other stuff feel pretty towny
nutella - i dont care about her post count and i heavily dislike the fact that she's using the "im so bad as wolf i can barely post or do anything, my scum game is milesssss behind my towngame" thing as a defense, i think that if your scum game is lagging behind your towngame then you should be putting alot of effort to equalize the difference, instead of weaponizing the difference and using it to your advantage, thats lowkey unsportsmanlike imo, even if shes only stating the truth. its kind of like being proud that you never bus as scum and wanting to get towncleared upon being on a wolf wagon (like TSM mikey does) which unfairly skews the scale to favor your town winrate and lowers your scum winrate, or like when you only do heavy AtE as town and dont do it as wolf and u get free townreads and u dont realize that its not rly fair, sort of like a trust tell. even tho ur job as town is to be truthful in my opinion some truths are best not spoken for the sake of a sportsmanlike competitive game @nutella . im sorry i just - this is my opinion, i dont want to yell at you or scold you and i love you very much nutella and i think you know it, i just cant not share my opinion on how our mafia gameplay on the syndicate can be improved, thats all!

ANYWAY, for my actual read on her that i think is valid and sportsmanlike (as in, its fakable if she was wolf) - i like her sassy and erratic responses to multiple posts, they are too much for me to pinpoint all but there are there in both of our ISOs. i think that shes heavily invested in the game and she had some textbook towny posts - one of them was recent, somebody was townreading her and she pointed out how scummy that person is for townreading her, which is a towntell when you're in nutella's situation (receiving scumreads from multiple places). the biggest part is her pushes really, they just make sense
MacDougall - i think from the two scum games ive seen from him last year he was really trolly and erratic, i think as town he gets more serious and his reads get more deep. i think if he was mafia or 3p here he played in a way that would get him night killed due to being perceived as a threat from one of the scum teams, which is not good for him if he's scum. optimal scum play in this game is to be towny but not that towny imo. so i think he's town
Sloonei - exact same read as mac, except without the trolly and erratic part. i can add that ive seen him be scum twice, i have caught him both times (its not only nutella who rekt sloonei ) and ive seen him be town once in my game and the contrast is pretty stark imo. he's just clearly town here imo
Syn - echoing the already stated reads on him, nobody expects much from him so if he is mafia here he can post three times less and nobody would push him. the fact that he's putting way more effort than the average effort put out by players in this threat makes him town in my eyes

112 - i find all of her posts extremely logical and i can follow them. any reasons to doubt her is that she isnt playing in a way that would make her nightkilled by scum early on imo, so she isnt showing the "multiball towntell" in my eyes, and additionallyshe has fooled me before as mafia
Timsup2nothin - i dont wanna repeat it, i laid it out already in my iso. its about the way he interacted with sloonei about the perceived tmi slip about multiball
Thunal33 - pretty similar to 112, i nod my head as i read her posts, they make sense and are good, but she is not getting nightkilled and could be a solving mafia
DrWilgy - unfortunately little explanation for this. this is simply my gut. i think he's being genuine. i liked the "maybe yall can listen to me for once" post
Marmot - again cant explain much. gut. ive played a bunch of games with marmot. perhaps im starting to get familiar. he feels more similar to bike mafia compared to the times i saw him scum. maybe, i think.

MartinGG99 - i liked his posts where he was saying "u guys can kill me at any time". but otherwise low post count, could be scum
falcon45ca - i liked some of his assertive tone, but otherwise low post count, hard to read, could be scum, the assertive tone thingy could be his personality
cat - i liked his sass, i disliked one logical post of his (because it was logical), low post count
JackofHearts2005 - i have little to no experience with jack; low post count
dyachei - recently joined, dont have much to read them off of. previous owner was 0 poster
Dyslexicon - low post count, i have seen him be like this as town a lot
TurnipHead - 0 poster
Long Con - surprised he has 80, i dont remember most of his posts, shows how spammy this game is. just checked post coutns nutella has 330 posts what the actual fuck. but yeah. long con notoriously hard to read / impossible
TonyStarkPrime - low post count, gut says he's scum but last game i wrongly tunneled him

Master Radishes - sheeping nutella, i liked her idea that if MR is logical and cooperative that could mean he's mafia
Made - i echo someone's read that made jumping around like a happy little fairy between posts could mean he's mafia. i dont remember his pushes, i just remember him being chatty and friendly
Kylemii - my gut pinged me super hard, cant explain
JustPlayingitcool - is playing the same way he played in radiohead. claims that this is his town meta, thats possible, but then how does one read him?
Hyena - i think he started kinda flailing, dont wanna repeat the things ive already stated about why i sr him, there are there in my iso
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - doesnt seem that relaxed or easygoing, according to mac that's nook's towntell and nook isn't expressing it here fmpov, also nook is super engaged as town at least often times, and is often in the top posters and i think as town is more engaged and has more reads than this

@tutuu when did you sneak this gigantic read list into the thread??

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:59 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:19 pm
112 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:18 pm dizzy literally openwolfing
there are like seven people openwolfing, this means nothing

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:56 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:56 pm all these people pretending they've never wanted to flip 2 people before

I call you on your lies
There's like 20 people open-wolfing though

Oooh, 112 gets me!

But that was the post I was giffing to

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:59 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:52 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:08 am I've only played one game with tutuu

does she tend to try and flood the thread with pointless things as town during active gameplay
Is this for real?
yes...Tutuu really does that in her very lovable way, and Syn really whined about it in his...I think there was an absolute lack of anything AI there.
Ah, I meant specifically about the first line. Their relationship suggested to me that they'd played together more often

Also, I was there for that game, the three of us were scum-buddies together
oh we play together alright

@Timsup2nothin never mind it was below it lol

I must have Command-clicked dya's post twice on accident and not read the quote I was responding to

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 am Tutuu is actually le town.
Nope.

I don't see a solving mindset there.
if memory serves right im the only player who wrote multiple readslists that had a read on every player in the game

I've admittedly not read anywhere close to every post in the game

But that's my observation of what I have seen, I'll search for those lists

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