The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorsha has voted for an awful lot of civilians lately.

Matt wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Matt- looking at the message Golden posted and knowing that you've stayed in a square for three phases, it would seem that you have become "the avatar of maligna" that is mentioned. Or am I understanding this situation wrong?

Did you not see my SO messages?

I'm not at a swamp, I'm at Paradise Meadows!!

You are understanding wrong, I guarantee you.

Matt wrote:

Sorsha wrote:This poll sucks

I see no reason to vote for Dom and his recent posts have me looking more at Matt for a vote today than TH so I'll put my vote there for now.

Okay I don't know how I missed this but wtf

Just yesterday, I said who would you kill if you had the chance, and I asked you to pretend I've already been eliminated, you said...

"I wouldn't kill you even if you haven't been eliminated"

But now you VOTE for me?

Matt wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I wouldn't kill you even if you weren't eliminated. It would have to be MM at this point. If he was gone then SVS. I think we'll be rid of Witherdeath if that were to happen.

I'm hesitant on SVS because I always think she's bad and she did this in Dune too where she suspected me non-stop even though I was civvie. However, being wrong on me is one thing, but putting together the idea that TH and I are partners.... woo boy! Either she is seriously misguided or a baddie bad bad.

If I had one kill, I don't know who would be. But I'm thinking MM too, only because I've been after him all game and his sudden vote on me just cuz it was the cool thing to do does not make me thing he's good.

Golden...

I'm going to mark you down as civvie. I don't ever do this unless I'm 100% sure (and yes, by saying 100%, I mean 100%), however, I think someone would've called you out when you said all that about striving to put together a civ win and all the btsc you've had, etc etc etc. So eff it.

In that case, knowing you already suspect me, Timmer, and TH...out of those you trust, who do you think would be the Judas?

Matt wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt wrote:MM - Why did you vote for me?

Also, Golden, looking over my post to you, to avoid confusion, I meant "add one other to that list", not "two". Derp.

Because you voted for me many times.

Lol. Well played, sir.

But besides the whole No U aspect (which btw, I thoroughly enjoy doing myself), any other reason?

Linki - Good to know I'm not the only one.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I only voted for MM because I thought I'd be able to add my other votes later. I'd have also voted for svs and probably TH and Timmer.

Thanks for the vote. I don't understand your sudden distrust in me.

Draconus wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Derp... Hit submit and didn't want to.

Anyway, if I am correct and if we lynch the player I believe to be the last cabal member that would turn the Gollum into a serial killer. Also, I think the player was able to trick Golden because this player is the trickster so if we do lynch the Gollum or the Trickster who knows what the lynch post will show.

I also know that this is totally side tracking from the Timmer, TH and Matt suspicions that everyone has.... I don't necessarily want to do that but I'm not sure what is more of a priority right now.

Interesting theory... I didn't want to see this either. But, tbh, I've held this possibility in the back of my mind for most of the game. You and Golden have my trust. If you think that is the case, it may be worth going after the Gollum first. It pains me to say this

Still, I think we should go after the other leads first. We, at least know how to avoid the Gollum's kill.

S~V~S wrote:Personally I think, as I said regarding Bass, that letting the Circle entrench further and then handing them the Cabals kill is a bad idea. Especially if Sorsha is wrong about this person.

I am sure about 3 out of 4, not so much the 4th. I need to do some reading today.

Matt wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'm putting my vote on bass as I did yesterday. I might change depending on how the day plays out, I'm in three games right now and afraid I'm going to mix up lynch times.

How do you feel about Golden knowing the exact number of baddies left?

fingersplints wrote:I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.

Long Con wrote:The Trickster is pretty tricky. It's a safe bet that they could pull off a trick like that. But the Trickster couldn't trick you into thinking that a dead team is alive.

How's this for a trick though? Timmer is off the poll today.

S~V~S wrote:Am I on drugs,or is anyone else seeing what I am seeing?

Matt wrote:If Bass is bad, what does he gain from missing three consecutive lynches? He would have to know that would bring him major heat. Even if he is civ. Something is fishy here.

Sorsha, you seem to have been keeping close tabs on Bass with several posts updating us on when he missed two votes, and then three. Are you aware of the Possessing Entity role? It's power is secret, but I'm guessing it possesses other players in some way. Do you think it's possible that Bass has simply been possessed and was forced to miss votes? The only problem I'd have with this is typically you cannot double target, however, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a player can't be possessed for several day phases in a row before being released. ASSUMING that's how the PE's power works in the first place.

I don't know, I just think it's weird how Bass hasn't even made any public apologies to the hosts for missing votes, just says he's been "super busy".

Bullzeye wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Thanks LC

Ok so it looks like bass hasn't voted in a lynch poll since day 5 when Canuck got lynched

How has he got away with not participating for half the game?

Sorsha wrote: I just looked over bass's posts and not liking them. When it was Juliets vs Canuck he decided to vote for Canuck then the next two lynches when Juliets was a candidate he was a no show. He's showed up to vote in the night polls but not the lynch polls plus he's been posting elsewhere on the forums during all of this.

Matt F wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I implore you to actually read my posts and then tell me I could "easily be a teamie" of juliets.

I will reread you again. Do me a favor. Admit it's possible that a teamie of hers would push her into a tie knowing she would survive a lynch.

And again, please answer. Do you or do you not think we should utilize every bit of information we have (map based or not) to catch baddies? If you do think we should do this, then why did you just tell me not to use map reasons?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:I've done a lot of thought about the likelihood of the Living Statue to be civ.

I tend to think it more likely the role gets recruited by a baddie.

The advantage a baddie team would have is that if one of their people get the gem and then die, the rest of their team would still know where the gem is and would be able to complete the task. If a civ died with the gem, this wouldn't be so easy. The baddies also have the advantage of getting to know more about what is on each square by covering more squares per day, given they have non-square related btsc.

On the other side of the coin is that there are more civs (or at least at game start there were).

It could go either way.

I feel the same way.

But what civ would take it upon him/herself to find the gem, find the statue, and recruit the statue to the civ side? (Assuming that's how the role works)

I think a mafia team is more likely to coordinate such an event.

Draconus wrote:Voted B and A because Imma BA
No I'm not

Golden wrote:My thoughts are pulling me in a lot of directions today.

I still think Wilgy could be the last Witherdeath, but on the other hand they don't get a kill tonight.
I think splints could have been responsible for that beacon, and I think that feels like the actions of a baddie.
And I'm tempted to vote TH, to start figuring out this Dr Dre thing, because in some ways it feels to me like it could be the most malevolent threat. As I've thought about it more over the last couple of days, TH's 'the role was civilian last game' could be him providing the most information, but it could also be him intentionally misleading.

They feel like the three I'm most suspicious of right now... so I could see my vote going any of those ways. I'm going to start with TH for now.

@Lorab - I'm also really interested to start having some convo with you today - I feel like I haven't been doing much of that yet, and I'm interested in your thoughts on the Feral Pixie, your thoughts on Mac's death - those two things in particular.

Golden wrote:Do other people agree that the post makes it appear Feral Pixie is civilian?

linki @sorsha - I'm not sure. I could see it, Mac and HB did seem to be very linked in the thread. But, I could also see someone just seeing Mac as a genuine threat.

I'll admit, I've been focussed a bit on the beacon because its destruction blew me off course a couple of days ago. Tomorrow night I should get back to where I was originally trying to go on night 7, so at least it wasn't too bad, but it was annoying. I suspect it was splints who did it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:MM - what do you think of the deaths last night. How did you feel about Mac and HB?

I thought that HBoy was civ. I was indifferent on Mac. I saw reasons to trust him, but also more reasons not to.

MacDougall wrote:Feeling that Bass is a badder here despite my turnip vote.

Tranq wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Why are people voting and not giving reasons

I just looked over bass's posts and not liking them. When it was Juliets vs Canuck he decided to vote for Canuck then the next two lynches when Juliets was a candidate he was a no show. He's showed up to vote in the night polls but not the lynch polls plus he's been posting elsewhere on the forums during all of this.

I had originally planned on voting Floyd today but his posts from last night have me doubting his baddie-ness. Tranq- how sure are you about Floyd? Do you think you could be mistaken?

Unlikely.

Bass doesn't have alot of stuff to go on. Only 1 mention of Luke here:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Is Luke getting votes because he hasn't been posting?

And there was that time where he made odd statements about the double lynch option earlier in the game:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I think the 2 lynches is an amazing tool for the civs to use the only problem I'm having is it's still early in the game and we could loss two civs. We have to also think about the mafia knows what is going to happen with the vote tonight before they kill so they could use the kill to throw more chaos into this up coming Lynch. That's why at this point it makes more sense to use non changeable votes.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Tranq wrote:@ Bass: Even 10 lynches in a row are better than having only only lynch. The point being that we basically skipped a Night phase in which the mafia could've killed.

I never thought about it like that.

All of which basically boils down to the following smiley:

LoRab wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Tell me more about your suspicion of sig, Lorab. Does the fact that he's dead make you suspect him more?

It actually doesn't change my suspicion of him at all.

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:Do you think it could have been a random event? Thats interesting. I, too, assumed it was set there.

My thinking was its an item someone found on the map and activated there, whether or not they knew what it would do I don't know. A 'beacon' sounds like it could be pretty useful (more useful than it was).

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:Terribly sorry for an oversight, I should have announced this at the beginning of Day 7.

There is a beacon of light shining into the sky, visible from anywhere on the map. It's coming from G9.

This is what LC said about it earlier. So it seems like something from night 6 to me. No one was announced to have been killed by it though. Is that square destroyed now?

I don't think it was random. But whether is was triggered by something or someone put it there, I have no idea. It could have also always been in that space potentially, if that makes sense, and something/someone turned it on, so to speak. I agree it would have been something from night 6. But you seemed to be implying earlier that someone put it there, by your language and the fact that someone was supposedly near there that night.

I guess I just wonder if you know more about this than the rest of us...and why you would mention that someone had claimed to be nearby.

And the square below it looks pretty destroyed on the map.

Long Con wrote:Terribly sorry for an oversight, I should have announced this at the beginning of Day 7.

There is a beacon of light shining into the sky, visible from anywhere on the map. It's coming from G9.

LoRab wrote:Juliets, you and your coffee will be missed during your hiatus. RIH to your role.

RIPIYWG DF.

And Jim Nonplayer...do we think he's a secret role who is really one of the players? Also, great title.

And anyone have speculation on the bodies flying possible dead people beacon of light?

juliets wrote:Thank you LC and BR for another outstanding game. Your games just get better and better. And thanks to those of you who said goodbye in some way to me. I likely won't be in another game for awhile so have fun with the rest of this game and going forward.

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Alright, well I'm still sticking with my Juliets vote from the past few days. Hopefully we can get some answers if she ever actually dies.

Yes truly if you are scum I have sincere doubts that you are on her team.

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'm just really baffeled as to what happened yesterday. You think Juliets is bad so you want her to get lynched. Then you go on your "vote for me" crusade. Explain to me how this makes sense?

I will repeat myself for the benefit of the scum player who is trying to drive her agenda without actually making an effort to read the explanation I already just gave.

The lion's share of my content up until end of day was pushing the juliets lynch, as it has been each day. I believe I have made it clear without explicitly using words to such effect why I believe her to be scum. I began to receive votes that put my close enough to juliets for me to understand that her lynch was not to be. Well before our vote tally's were six a piece. I already knew she was not going to be lynched.

Me receiving votes was a positive thing for the civ win con but the positive impact of votes on me has now been exhausted and are no longer useful to the civ win con. I cannot diverge exactly why/how they were positive, but I expect there are a few players who know why.

When it became obvious to me that juliets was not going to be lynched. I went back to vote harvesting. Simples.

But, alas, that is no longer the case. Ergo I will no longer be requesting.