The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote:There is still no date/time on the poll. How is everyone okay with this? I believe the day ends this evening, am I right?

It ends at 10 pm EST time.

Don't forget to change your clocks, those of you with day light savings time being over.

DFaraday wrote:

Sorsha wrote: Also a bit suspicious on the sig votes so far is from DF. He missed the first vote. That post is also really just echoing other players too, nothing original. His latest post seems a bit better and has some original thought in it so it lessens my suspicion of him a little bit, still a bit pinged by this vote though.

Making a vague post based off cursory glances of the thread while I'm still catching up is something I do a LOT, whether civvie or baddie. I think you know that by now, Sorsha.

And Mac, you voted for me? Okay then. If you want to actually address me at any point with something I can respond to, that'd be great.

I almost didn't even include you on my list but since it was only one post that made me start feeling better I figure I'd still include you, just to be safe.

I can see how sig talking about what the mafia is “currently” doing could be seen as a slip up. Looking back through his posts I noticed he spoke earlier about what the mafia might do. Sometimes players can’t help but talk about their role, in this case I can see it that perhaps sig can’t help but talk about his alignment. There are two voters for sig that make me hesitant to vote for him though:

Luke voted for sig and I’m getting strange vibes from that vote. Luke has posted very little in the way of suspicions so far, his day one vote was for Tranq and he questioned MM but never followed up with it. Did MM’s answer satisfy you Luke? Were you suspicious of MM and that’s why you asked him that or were you thinking that Epi was suspicious too and wanted to compare reasons? Or something else?

Right now I could see Luke’s vote as either A) a bandwagon from the opposite baddie team or B) distancing from a baddie teammate

Also a bit suspicious on the sig votes so far is from DF. He missed the first vote. That post is also really just echoing other players too, nothing original. His latest post seems a bit better and has some original thought in it so it lessens my suspicion of him a little bit, still a bit pinged by this vote though.

Tranq missed the vote yesterday but has managed to vote in each of the night polls. Night 0, Night 1

TinyBubbles has four posts so far. Here she wants timmer to post more (lol really?) More than what? At that point you both had two posts. I don’t know, maybe she heard talk about timmer in BTS and thought she’d prod him. Just seems a little odd seeing as he was then killed that night.

Here she seems to think that her track record of being civ in other games has anything to do with her alignment in this game

And here she votes for scissors which conveniently gets her off the poll today. I don’t know if the host handed out info about the night poll again or not but if he did it one night I imagine he did again last night.

At this point I'd be most likely to vote for one of these players, sig, luke and bubbles being higher priority.

Ugh… .. I had a post and I lost it.

These are my basic points on nutellas vote for me:

nutella wrote:

Epignosis wrote:"Pushing the Dom thing."

I have to pick someone to vote for. I have to have a reason for voting that person. I have to try to get that person lynched. Otherwise I'm just coming in and voting and not giving a toss.

nutella, what WOULD give you a clue as to my alignment? I'm curious.

I don't really have an answer to that. Different behaviors can make me suspect or trust players and it depends on the context of the game. I just usually don't have such reads/much material to base them on when it's still day 1.


Hmm, Dom suspects Sorsha, apparently because of her easy vote for him? I have to vote quite soon so I will look over that exchange and perhaps vote for either Sorsha or Buglabush. Feels like a really weak day 1 vote all around, I hope we get lucky.

In this^ post it sounds to me like she’s already decided to vote for me based on Dom having a suspicion of me, despite saying THIS about Dom just one post earlier:

nutella wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

nutella wrote:

Golden wrote: Nutella, BWT, Eloh?

You have been a little involved, but haven't said much to give me an idea of your perspective on things. Are you civilian aligned? If I claimed you were just trying to look involved, and not really being involved, would you call that a fair assessment? Who would be your biggest suspect right now?

I am catching up when I can, a couple times a day, and posting once per catch-up. So I am not putting a huge amount of effort into getting involved, but I'm also not deliberately holding back. I always find it hard to have many thoughts on Day 1. I suppoooose my biggest suspect is Bullz, sorta, kinda, just for lack of thoughts on other people at this point. But I can't vote for him. I'm a little curious about the Epi/Dom discussion (but Epi is also off the poll and idk if I'd be convinced to vote Dom). I am very confused by Buglabush and might consider a vote there.

Is this to imply that you suspect me second to Bullz?

Why couldn't you be convinced to vote for Dom? Does he never draw Mafia roles?

I am absolutely not discounting the possibility that Dom is bad. I just don't see any particular reason to vote for him at this stage. I'm not really leaning in either direction in my read of Dom yet.

And largely the same goes for you, but you stand out a little bit more to me for pushing the Dom thing. Then again, I always seem to find your early-game reads & behavior to be off-putting, so as with Dom it's more of a consistent reaction to your style that doesn't really clue me in on your alignment.

nutella wrote:Okay, I'm voting for Sorsha. Her early comments on Matt/Mac are confusing, and it looks like she tagged onto the Dom ping as an easy excuse not to vote for Matt or Mac (because she said she would if "nothing else came up"). She hedged around any actual reasoning for following Epi's lead. Now That's What I Call Opportunistic™!

I’m pretty sure I never said I would vote for Mac and I did clear up earlier here that I was NOT going to be voting for Matt so I wasn’t looking for an excuse out of anything.

And I didn't hedge on anything….

Sorsha wrote:@Dom- I don't see what's wrong with stating who I'm not voting for... It's day one and I don't have a huge feel on anyone yet. It's easier to spot civ behavior for me that bad sometimes is what I was trying to get at there. Im feeling civ vibes from Mac so far and while I'm not good at pinning down Epis alliance in most games I do agree with him on the points he's made on you. And you no u me?

I always seem to think Epi is bad and I lately (last three games we have played together) I have been wrong. I did say that I agreed with his points on Dom and I did say that I was getting civ vibes from Mac and felt ok voting along with them so I don’t know how that is considered hedging.

Nutella is obviously reading my posts... I’m not sure if she’s just twisting it to fit her motive or if its just so weak that it doesn’t come together fully.

Nutella- In one of the posts above you said you’d vote for me or Bug. Why were you considering him? Did you even look over his posts before making the decision on which of the two of us to vote for, or just mine?

Matt F wrote:Okay Mac cover your eyes because...here...we...go...

At the time of nutella's vote, all three top contenders (Bug, Dom, Nana) had four votes a piece, yet she voted for Sorsha. The whole exchange between nutella and sorsha after nutella's vote was quite curious...because there was none.

6:29 PM

nutella wrote:Hmm, Dom suspects Sorsha, apparently because of her easy vote for him? I have to vote quite soon so I will look over that exchange and perhaps vote for either Sorsha or Buglabush. Feels like a really weak day 1 vote all around, I hope we get lucky.

6:37 PM

nutella wrote:Okay, I'm voting for Sorsha. Her early comments on Matt/Mac are confusing, and it looks like she tagged onto the Dom ping as an easy excuse not to vote for Matt or Mac (because she said she would if "nothing else came up"). She hedged around any actual reasoning for following Epi's lead. Now That's What I Call Opportunistic™!

After contributing throughout the Day phase with her thoughts, it takes a span of eight minutes for nutella to suddenly throw a vote on Sorsha, avoiding completely the 4-4-4 tie between Bug, Dom, and Nana.

Her next post, a minute later, says this

nutella wrote:Voted for Sorsha.

The Bubbles catch is interesting indeed. I don't feel like it merits a vote yet -- I'd like to see her response first.

In the same post saying she'd like a response from Bubbles first, she votes Sorsha. I think it's weird because during that eight minute window, nutella never asked or gave Sorsha a chance to respond.

But THAT'S okay, because there's still 22 minutes left in the poll. So Sorsha can still respond and maybe get nutella to put her vote where it matters! Right?

Here are Sorsha's posts after nutella votes her literally out of nowhere

6:40 PM (3 Minutes after nutella's vote on Sorsha)

Sorsha wrote:I could also go for a BUG lynch, wasn't fond of his comment to zebra mostly. Also if he's getting tips from Floyd or some bad btsc partner he could just be playing the noob card, it worked for quite a while when Floyd did it and was bad. If Dom is going to be around and contribute like he is now I would likely think better of him. I'm also reminded of his play in the gentlemans guide game when he was a low laying baddie who ended up winning.

6:48 PM (11 Minutes after nutella's vote on Sorsha)

Sorsha wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I could also go for a BUG lynch, wasn't fond of his comment to zebra mostly. Also if he's getting tips from Floyd or some bad btsc partner he could just be playing the noob card, it worked for quite a while when Floyd did it and was bad. If Dom is going to be around and contribute like he is now I would likely think better of him. I'm also reminded of his play in the gentlemans guide game when he was a low laying baddie who ended up winning.

Can this opinion become unanimous please? I don't see how it isn't obvious that that's what's going on.

I guess I still just feel bad voting a new player out on the first day....

So...

At the time of nutella's vote, the top three contenders (Bug, Dom, Nana) are tied at 4-4-4. Nutella, after contributing throughout the day, within an 8 minute timespan, throws her vote on Sorsha and completely avoids being a tiebreaker. Same post she votes for Sorsha, she makes an ironic statement about waiting for a response from Bubbles before placing a vote on her.

Then, the two posts that Sorsha make following nutella's vote...do not address the vote on her, do not address nutella. I would think nutella's vote would merit a reaction, something, even to say "Seriously? Put your vote where it matters", but nothing.

The times that you posted on here are helpful in explaining so thanks for that Matt. I work 3rd shift and start at 8 pm, judging by the times that you have on this post it looks like that is 6 pm YOUR time. Posting for me at work has to be very quick so I don't get to sit here and reply to every post that I'd really like to, plus I'm reading/posting from a phone. That post I made at 6:40 was caught up in linkitis, I don't even know how long... I wrote the post, hit submit, I got linkitis, I hit submit again and put the phone back in my pocket. I don't usually get more linki than that so I figured it would be fine... when I pulled my phone out a couple minutes later it was still caught up in linki. My post before that one was at 8:22 (6:22 to you) so sometime between those two is all I know. Go back and look at how many posts were made at the exact same time then, SVS even makes a comment in one of her posts about getting caught in linki at around the 8:37-38-ish time.

I was more worried about getting my OWN vote in at the time than to defend/respond to much else. I responded to zebra because I noticed that she actually quoted me and that caught my eye. I didn't think that one vote was really going to kill me so I didn't respond and most of the time I don't do much game related talk during the night so I didn't address it then either, and also like I said... I was at work where we are technically not even supposed to have our phones out, much less texting/playing games on them.

Tranq went full Ichabod Crane

Voted for Black Rock

a2thezebra wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I could also go for a BUG lynch, wasn't fond of his comment to zebra mostly. Also if he's getting tips from Floyd or some bad btsc partner he could just be playing the noob card, it worked for quite a while when Floyd did it and was bad. If Dom is going to be around and contribute like he is now I would likely think better of him. I'm also reminded of his play in the gentlemans guide game when he was a low laying baddie who ended up winning.

Can this opinion become unanimous please? I don't see how it isn't obvious that that's what's going on.

I guess I still just feel bad voting a new player out on the first day....

I could also go for a BUG lynch, wasn't fond of his comment to zebra mostly. Also if he's getting tips from Floyd or some bad btsc partner he could just be playing the noob card, it worked for quite a while when Floyd did it and was bad. If Dom is going to be around and contribute like he is now I would likely think better of him. I'm also reminded of his play in the gentlemans guide game when he was a low laying baddie who ended up winning.

Because I agreed with the case on you?

@Dom- I don't see what's wrong with stating who I'm not voting for... It's day one and I don't have a huge feel on anyone yet. It's easier to spot civ behavior for me that bad sometimes is what I was trying to get at there. Im feeling civ vibes from Mac so far and while I'm not good at pinning down Epis alliance in most games I do agree with him on the points he's made on you. And you no u me?

BUGLABUSH wrote:Stop talking Mr Zebra no one likes you

If you post like this no one is going to like you BUG....

I wouldn't mind voting Dom. I'm not a good judge of Epi- I always seem to think he's bad but I feel like Mac is civ so far- he's not reminding me so much of his play in TH anyway. I wouldn't be against a tranq vote either.

I feel like the day 0 prof vote discussion is not productive either... Too many what ifs.

I'm in a hurry right now but I'm putting my vote on Dom for the moment.

How in the fuck am I supposed to know its a joke. Jesus fucking Christ

Epignosis wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Pro-Tip:

S~V~S is always bad in Black Con games.

In the first recruitment game on TP, I was the civvie recruiter. I was a civ in the LOST Map game on RM as well.

Get it straight Epi.

Epi- what's your objective in making a statement so easily proven false?

Why must everything have an objective?

Don't answer a question with a question.

May I answer commands from Sorsha that I'm not going to obey with a question?

So you have no reason for making false statements. Ok.

Epignosis wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Pro-Tip:

S~V~S is always bad in Black Con games.

In the first recruitment game on TP, I was the civvie recruiter. I was a civ in the LOST Map game on RM as well.

Get it straight Epi.

Epi- what's your objective in making a statement so easily proven false?

Why must everything have an objective?

Don't answer a question with a question.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Pro-Tip:

S~V~S is always bad in Black Con games.

In the first recruitment game on TP, I was the civvie recruiter. I was a civ in the LOST Map game on RM as well.

Get it straight Epi.

Epi- what's your objective in making a statement so easily proven false?

sig wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Matt F wrote:Sorry Zebra, vote stays. I was pretty caught off guard with this nonsense, but as Sorsha demonstrated, it's obviously not just Mac who feels this way. If I'm around after Day 1, legit scum hunting will begin. If not, good luck town!

I'm sorry Matt. I don't want you to feel like you're unwanted here and I really don't like being associated with advocating the policy lynch of you (or anyone). All I was really trying to say was that if no pings or suspicions or anything came up that I might consider voting you, just today, just this one game.... Not forever and ever on every game we play together. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was hanging up on you there.

Well lets hope something comes up then. Since personally this post seems quite pingy to me. Your basically saying you would vote for someone if nothing else came up since others are voting for him? Though it seems you only made this post since Matt mentioned you specifically in his post. It seems you're backpedaling but still leaving the option of a Matt lynch it is a good wagon for the mafia to join, you won't really need a reason and I can easily see scum making a post like this, then quoting it later in the phase to justify their lynch.

I've already explained how I'd vote today in the posts between LoRab and I. And I thought it was clear that I'd not be voting for Matt? This explanation here was an apology for Matt for making him feel like he's not wanted. Trying to explain what I meant I guess.!

Matt F wrote:Sorry Zebra, vote stays. I was pretty caught off guard with this nonsense, but as Sorsha demonstrated, it's obviously not just Mac who feels this way. If I'm around after Day 1, legit scum hunting will begin. If not, good luck town!

I'm sorry Matt. I don't want you to feel like you're unwanted here and I really don't like being associated with advocating the policy lynch of you (or anyone). All I was really trying to say was that if no pings or suspicions or anything came up that I might consider voting you, just today, just this one game.... Not forever and ever on every game we play together. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was hanging up on you there.

LoRab wrote:

Sorsha wrote:The talking heads game.

I was civ, he's still alive in the game so his role isn't known. He tunneled me from my day 0 vote for days. Adding pretty much everything I did to his list of "things that make Sorsha bad." he did the same thing to others. His thing is just coming up with completely outlandish theories that really only make sense to him and not letting go.

And I'm saying that if nothing else comes up as suspicious I could see myself possibly voting for Matt to spare us that in this game. It's entirely unpleasant and really ruins the game. I'm not sure how many other civvies were tunneled by Matt during that game (or others that he's done it in) can attest to that.

If he says he's not going to tunnel players and act like he did in the TH game then fine. I really have no problem with him. We'll see how this day goes.

I'm having trouble understanding the theory here. And having been a player that others vote for because I tend to focus on one player and become convinced they are bad for reasons that others don't get, I guess I'm having trouble with the concept of finding that suspicious. Also, if his allegience in that game is unknown, then it's certainly not necessarily suspicious to me.

I get that if he ruined your game earlier, then you don't want to play with him. But I'm having trouble with the suspicion, if that makes sense. If anything, it seems like those that suspect him are using his earlier play as an excuse to lynch a player.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Matt F

Why?

Sorsha wrote:Would a "policy vote" be along the lines of how some players would just have their fall back day one vote? I know rabbit and I used to just vote for one another on day one, mostly on RM. that seems to have kind of gone out of fashion, but that's what policy vote sounds like to me.

Mac's term, so perhaps he'll answer. From what I understood, he meant it as every game he plays, he will vote for Matt no matter what. Which does not seem like a civ-friendly concept to me.

I think you and Rabbi was more a friendly rivalry kind of thing (although I never really thought it was useful to strategy, personally, but didn't object to it, per se) as opposed to I will always vote this person until one of us is dead because I don't like how they play.

Also, the policy vote concept is really easy to hide behind.

I'm not saying that I'm going to vote for Matt f until one of us are dead. Nor that I'm going to vote for him in every game we play. I'm considering him for my day one vote here in this game period, if nothing else comes up. That's actually a pretty big if too, tbh.....There is quite a bit going on.

I'm also thinking of how early in the TH game Mac wanted to lynch seaside just for the sake of getting him out of the way early because Mac thought seaside would be useless in endgame. So if I go with that train of thought I'd be more likely to vote Mac, since this could be seen as the same type of situation, I think.

I posted it on both games because he said the same thing in both games! Lol.. I don't get how that's suspish but ok!

I have the feeling if I hadn't said it in both games someone would say "why'd you say that here but not in the other game?"

Are votes changeable?

Would a "policy vote" be along the lines of how some players would just have their fall back day one vote? I know rabbit and I used to just vote for one another on day one, mostly on RM. that seems to have kind of gone out of fashion, but that's what policy vote sounds like to me.

The talking heads game.

I was civ, he's still alive in the game so his role isn't known. He tunneled me from my day 0 vote for days. Adding pretty much everything I did to his list of "things that make Sorsha bad." he did the same thing to others. His thing is just coming up with completely outlandish theories that really only make sense to him and not letting go.

And I'm saying that if nothing else comes up as suspicious I could see myself possibly voting for Matt to spare us that in this game. It's entirely unpleasant and really ruins the game. I'm not sure how many other civvies were tunneled by Matt during that game (or others that he's done it in) can attest to that.

If he says he's not going to tunnel players and act like he did in the TH game then fine. I really have no problem with him. We'll see how this day goes.

Is there a copy of the poll? One baddie was told of the poll "prize" so I'd imagine they could share that with their team?

Since Mac posted the same Matt stuff in this game as in dune I'll just repeat what I said there too:
I'm still digesting the Matt f/ Mac thing. I was a civvie tunneled by Matt last game so it's tempting to vote him but I'd definitely be waiting to see if something else comes up before I place my vote. I'd rather go with a legit suspicion but those don't always come out on day one.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'm picking alternative. 90's alternative to be specific but some of today's are good too. It's a toss up between that and rock for me.

Do you like Muse's new album? I do.

What I've heard so far yeah

I'm picking alternative. 90's alternative to be specific but some of today's are good too. It's a toss up between that and rock for me.